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[whit3rd]

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 6:42:34 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

The headlines in today\'s San Francisco Comical (sorry, Chronicle) are
all about the economic and personal chaos and damage being done by
erratic lockdowns. And about hospitals putting up tents for the next
overload.

The last C19 death in San Francisco was just about a month ago.

Yeah, that certainly does look odd, since the last month has seen circa 60 cases a day
reported. I wonder if serious cases are being removed to a location outside the city?
That\'s about 1900 new cases in the last thirty days, so one would expect a two-digit
fatality number.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 3:31:00 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 9:39:47 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 10:34:13 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
klaus.kragelund@gmail.com wrote:

As an European it is fun or maybe tragic is a more appropriate to
follow the US pandemic response

As an American it\'s sometimes fun and sometimes tragic to follow
European affairs. And we don\'t have to go back far. Even genocide on
the continent was only 20 years ago and the European states did nothing
when they had the power to stop it.

People that think the virus is not real,

Slightly more common than thinking the Earth is flat.


people that won\'t wear mask

Everyone around here does when near people. Some people are masochistic
and wear it when no one is within 100 m.


saying it is against the constitution,

I haven\'t heard anyone say masks are unconstitutional. It\'s not even a
requirement except in stores and offices and that\'s a rule set by the
owners which is their right.

I have heard people say forbidding people to \"peaceably assemble\" and to
practice religion is unconstitutional, because it is, explicitely so.

There is what the Constitution says, and there is what it does not say. There is no mention of emergency powers for the government in the Constitution, but it is considered that there are such powers at time of emergency.. So far the courts have not ruled that emergency powers do not exist. It might, however, be a good idea to define these powers more clearly in an amendment.


people that won\'t stay home,

They are staying home as much of the time people in Europe are.

If that were true, we would not be having such high outbreaks in many of our states. Maybe you are talking about some sort of averages.


people taking Trump advice to drink disinfectant, and more

A whopping one person, or was it two, and it wasn\'t in response to the
president. There are surely a lot more who have drunken bleach every
year.

Trump also said many times that we have effective drugs. The left, for
political reasons as always, advised people not to take them. A research
paper claimed the drugs were ineffective and the research turned out to
be fabricated.

You are lying now. By the \"left\" I assume you mean the experts in the field who research and review other research and have found little validation of the use of one particular drug that Trump seems to favor, admittedly for no reason, over all others. The general view in the medical community is that this one drug is more dangerous than it is helpful. It was only one study that was found to be suspect. Meanwhile there are drugs that are much more reliably effective. Florida just acquired a bunch of it from New York as well as the Federal government.

Not shutting down completely and opening too soon is likely to hit
the US hard in two weeks time

If so then it would at any time we reopen.

No, once we get the infection levels low enough to perform effective contact tracing we can manage the disease through quarantine of individuals rather than shutting down the country as a whole. But with 60,000 new cases each day this is not practical. With 15,000 new cases each day in a single state, we should consider imposing a quarantine on states with such high infection counts.

That has got to be a more reasonable approach than cutting funding from schools that choose to stay closed while infection rates rage.


Only upside is that finally people has such a clear situation showing
lack of leadership from Trump that he will probably not be reelected

That\'s the plan. The economy was doing far too well.

LOL!!! Trump personally has wrecked this country just in the last six months. Not only has his leadership, or lack thereof, severely impacted the economy, his management has cost the deaths of how many people?

Yes, we had a serious impact initially that was hard to get under control. But we were on the path to getting rid of this disease when insanity broke out and people saw the momentum was draining away and let Trump talk the leaders into opening up before there was ANY HOPE of containing this disease. So many people, good people, the best people, the experts in the field said it was too soon to open. So Trump listened to his expert advisors and... wait, no! He ignored the experts and encouraged opening the shut downs to release the virus again!

All it takes right now is for everyone to return to the stay at home situation. It is so simple, but so many are in denial. Just practice extreme isolation and put everyone infected or exposed to infection in quarantine.. If this is done effectively it won\'t take long at all for the country to rid itself of this disease and keep rid of it with contact tracing and quarantine.

Even the most simple minded person can understand that

Wrong - a VERY RECENT study found the Hydroxychloriquine to be very beneficial - if used EARLY and in the RIGHT DOSAGE.

https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study

Flyguy definitely qualifies as a simple minded person, but he has failed to understand what was being said.

Trump\'s attitude to hydroxchloriquine wasn\'t actually a significant part of the problem, but it is worth noting that he was taking it as a prophylactic.

The Henry Ford Study found it useful in patients sick enough to be admitted to hospital - which is to say already sick - but without the specific underlying heart conditions which would have contra-indicated it use, and each patient\'s heart condition was monitored. This isn\'t the way Trump was using it.

The real problem was that Trump didn\'t listen to medical advice all that carefully, and paid attention to what he wanted to hear, rather than concentrating on what might save lives. His attitude to hydroxychloriquine is just one more example of his inadequate response.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 3:31:00 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 9:39:47 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:
On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 10:34:13 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
klaus.kragelund@gmail.com wrote:

As an European it is fun or maybe tragic is a more appropriate to
follow the US pandemic response

As an American it\'s sometimes fun and sometimes tragic to follow
European affairs. And we don\'t have to go back far. Even genocide on
the continent was only 20 years ago and the European states did nothing
when they had the power to stop it.

People that think the virus is not real,

Slightly more common than thinking the Earth is flat.


people that won\'t wear mask

Everyone around here does when near people. Some people are masochistic
and wear it when no one is within 100 m.


saying it is against the constitution,

I haven\'t heard anyone say masks are unconstitutional. It\'s not even a
requirement except in stores and offices and that\'s a rule set by the
owners which is their right.

I have heard people say forbidding people to \"peaceably assemble\" and to
practice religion is unconstitutional, because it is, explicitely so.

There is what the Constitution says, and there is what it does not say. There is no mention of emergency powers for the government in the Constitution, but it is considered that there are such powers at time of emergency.. So far the courts have not ruled that emergency powers do not exist. It might, however, be a good idea to define these powers more clearly in an amendment.


people that won\'t stay home,

They are staying home as much of the time people in Europe are.

If that were true, we would not be having such high outbreaks in many of our states. Maybe you are talking about some sort of averages.


people taking Trump advice to drink disinfectant, and more

A whopping one person, or was it two, and it wasn\'t in response to the
president. There are surely a lot more who have drunken bleach every
year.

Trump also said many times that we have effective drugs. The left, for
political reasons as always, advised people not to take them. A research
paper claimed the drugs were ineffective and the research turned out to
be fabricated.

You are lying now. By the \"left\" I assume you mean the experts in the field who research and review other research and have found little validation of the use of one particular drug that Trump seems to favor, admittedly for no reason, over all others. The general view in the medical community is that this one drug is more dangerous than it is helpful. It was only one study that was found to be suspect. Meanwhile there are drugs that are much more reliably effective. Florida just acquired a bunch of it from New York as well as the Federal government.

Not shutting down completely and opening too soon is likely to hit
the US hard in two weeks time

If so then it would at any time we reopen.

No, once we get the infection levels low enough to perform effective contact tracing we can manage the disease through quarantine of individuals rather than shutting down the country as a whole. But with 60,000 new cases each day this is not practical. With 15,000 new cases each day in a single state, we should consider imposing a quarantine on states with such high infection counts.

That has got to be a more reasonable approach than cutting funding from schools that choose to stay closed while infection rates rage.


Only upside is that finally people has such a clear situation showing
lack of leadership from Trump that he will probably not be reelected

That\'s the plan. The economy was doing far too well.

LOL!!! Trump personally has wrecked this country just in the last six months. Not only has his leadership, or lack thereof, severely impacted the economy, his management has cost the deaths of how many people?

Yes, we had a serious impact initially that was hard to get under control. But we were on the path to getting rid of this disease when insanity broke out and people saw the momentum was draining away and let Trump talk the leaders into opening up before there was ANY HOPE of containing this disease. So many people, good people, the best people, the experts in the field said it was too soon to open. So Trump listened to his expert advisors and... wait, no! He ignored the experts and encouraged opening the shut downs to release the virus again!

All it takes right now is for everyone to return to the stay at home situation. It is so simple, but so many are in denial. Just practice extreme isolation and put everyone infected or exposed to infection in quarantine.. If this is done effectively it won\'t take long at all for the country to rid itself of this disease and keep rid of it with contact tracing and quarantine.

Even the most simple minded person can understand that

Wrong - a VERY RECENT study found the Hydroxychloriquine to be very beneficial - if used EARLY and in the RIGHT DOSAGE.

https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study

Flyguy definitely qualifies as a simple minded person, but he has failed to understand what was being said.

Trump\'s attitude to hydroxchloriquine wasn\'t actually a significant part of the problem, but it is worth noting that he was taking it as a prophylactic.

The Henry Ford Study found it useful in patients sick enough to be admitted to hospital - which is to say already sick - but without the specific underlying heart conditions which would have contra-indicated it use, and each patient\'s heart condition was monitored. This isn\'t the way Trump was using it.

The real problem was that Trump didn\'t listen to medical advice all that carefully, and paid attention to what he wanted to hear, rather than concentrating on what might save lives. His attitude to hydroxychloriquine is just one more example of his inadequate response.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 3:36:38 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 9:12:01 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 1:43:00 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, July 5, 2020 at 6:48:04 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Monday, July 6, 2020 at 12:52:01 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 22:59:58 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/4/2020 6:36 PM, david eather wrote:
wasn\'t there a kinda whitish guy who boasted that there wouldn\'t be 10
thousand new covid19 every day? How wrong does he have to be before the
barnacles can admit he was wrong?

What\'s a \"kinda whitish guy\"??

Snark usually suggests Trump.

So does boasting. John Larkin does seem to be one of his barnacles.

Weren\'t you boasting about the low rate of COVID in OZ? Guess what:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/02/world/australia/melbourne-coronavirus-outbreak.html

Our death rate from Covid-19 is still 4 ppm. It\'s an outbreak. not a nation-wide pandemic

You must be turning bright orange, dude.

The Victorian politicians who used cheap commercial security guards to enforce quarantine in isolation hotels for returning overseas travellers are doing a lot of explaining.

The authorities are working their contact tracers very hard. We\'ve got 2500 new cases from it so far (bringing us up to total of 10k), and are still getting a couple of hundred new cases per day, but what worked on the first outbreak ought to work on this one.

The demographic affected is a bit further down-market, and may not be as susceptible to contact tracing and self-isolation, but they are being encouraged a bit harder than the first round of infectors were.

Bill Sloman, Sydney (which is okay, so far)

Now it\'s the GUARDS FAULT - you bloviating snakes\'s rectum, when are you going to face reality?

The security guards seem to have got about five minutes training. Learning how to use personal protective equipment properly takes a bit longer than that. Unsurprisingly, some of them got infected, and took their infection home.

That\'s why the politicians who made that choice have some explaining to do.

In NSW (my state) each isolation hotel also had a police presence, and they seem to have been backed up by people from the army as well. There is a small outbreak in NSW at the moment, but viral genome tells us that it got here from Victoria.

If there is a bloviating snake\'s rectum around here, it would seem to be you.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 3:36:38 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 9:12:01 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 1:43:00 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, July 5, 2020 at 6:48:04 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Monday, July 6, 2020 at 12:52:01 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 22:59:58 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/4/2020 6:36 PM, david eather wrote:
wasn\'t there a kinda whitish guy who boasted that there wouldn\'t be 10
thousand new covid19 every day? How wrong does he have to be before the
barnacles can admit he was wrong?

What\'s a \"kinda whitish guy\"??

Snark usually suggests Trump.

So does boasting. John Larkin does seem to be one of his barnacles.

Weren\'t you boasting about the low rate of COVID in OZ? Guess what:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/02/world/australia/melbourne-coronavirus-outbreak.html

Our death rate from Covid-19 is still 4 ppm. It\'s an outbreak. not a nation-wide pandemic

You must be turning bright orange, dude.

The Victorian politicians who used cheap commercial security guards to enforce quarantine in isolation hotels for returning overseas travellers are doing a lot of explaining.

The authorities are working their contact tracers very hard. We\'ve got 2500 new cases from it so far (bringing us up to total of 10k), and are still getting a couple of hundred new cases per day, but what worked on the first outbreak ought to work on this one.

The demographic affected is a bit further down-market, and may not be as susceptible to contact tracing and self-isolation, but they are being encouraged a bit harder than the first round of infectors were.

Bill Sloman, Sydney (which is okay, so far)

Now it\'s the GUARDS FAULT - you bloviating snakes\'s rectum, when are you going to face reality?

The security guards seem to have got about five minutes training. Learning how to use personal protective equipment properly takes a bit longer than that. Unsurprisingly, some of them got infected, and took their infection home.

That\'s why the politicians who made that choice have some explaining to do.

In NSW (my state) each isolation hotel also had a police presence, and they seem to have been backed up by people from the army as well. There is a small outbreak in NSW at the moment, but viral genome tells us that it got here from Victoria.

If there is a bloviating snake\'s rectum around here, it would seem to be you.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[bitrex]

On 7/17/2020 2:07 AM, Ricketty C wrote:

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 1:23:33 PM UTC-4, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
Am 16.07.20 um 15:44 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 09:55:32 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:

Am 16.07.20 um 09:20 schrieb Bill Sloman:

James Arthur hasn\'t noticed that when people start dying of Covid-19, other people start practice social distancing of their own accord. Note the Swedish example.

It still kills a lot of people, and even the Swedes aren\'t anywhere near herd immunity yet.

In fact, Sweden was just yesterday removed from the list of dangerous
countries by our (German) government. That has consequences for
insurances etc if you insist to go there.

And herd immunity is a silly idea. It does not even work in Bad Ischgl,
the Austrian skiing resort where they sport 42% seropositives, which
is probably the world record, much higher than Sweden.

And herd immunity does not mean that you won\'t get it if you are
in the herd.

It means that if you get it and survive, you are out of the herd.

No, it means that you are now a badly needed part of the herd by
diluting the danger for the rest.

Some people seem to have serious problems helping others.

I was hoping Larkin would take his own advice and work on his personal herd immunity. Unfortunately the evidence is mounting that there will be no lasting immunity and so no herd immunity ever.

As with many situations this is a Darwinian event. Part of the trouble is those who choose to ignore the danger put the rest of us at risk by continuing the propagation of the disease.

I know people in this group saw the video about the three general approaches to dealing with the disease. Ignore it and lots of people die. There is not so much impact on the economy and the disease reduces at some point.

Fight the disease with isolation, etc. to the detriment of the economy and save lives. Again, the disease does not last forever and at some point everything can reopen.

But the middle of the road approach, where we try to \"balance\" fighting the disease with keeping the economy open is insane because it continues the disease indefinitely resulting in the most morbidity and mortality as well as the worst impact to the economy.

Dealing with this disease halfheartedly is worse than doing nothing at all. Doing nothing at all is still much worse than mounting an effect attack on the disease and saving lives as well as the economy.

I don\'t get why this is not well understood. I guess Kim was right.

You\'re neglecting the fact that, being narcissists, a significant
fraction of the American population believe they\'re immortal.

Yes, I mean they literally believe they cannot die.

 

[server]

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 01:42:10 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 6:42:34 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

The headlines in today\'s San Francisco Comical (sorry, Chronicle) are
all about the economic and personal chaos and damage being done by
erratic lockdowns. And about hospitals putting up tents for the next
overload.

The last C19 death in San Francisco was just about a month ago.

Yeah, that certainly does look odd, since the last month has seen circa 60 cases a day
reported. I wonder if serious cases are being removed to a location outside the city?
That\'s about 1900 new cases in the last thirty days, so one would expect a two-digit
fatality number.

Testing is way, way up. That at least accounts for the increasing case
curve.

And, like in many other places, the death rate per infection is way
down.

The area around Yosemite had no reported deaths and few known cases.
They just tested the sewage and found lots of viruses, panicked,
tested a lot of people, and found a bunch of cases. But still no
deaths.

There could be a couple of explanations of why we have more cases and
fewer (or zero) deaths per case, but this group is hostile to ideas so
I won\'t suggest any. Keep talking about masks.





--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[server]

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 01:42:10 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 6:42:34 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

The headlines in today\'s San Francisco Comical (sorry, Chronicle) are
all about the economic and personal chaos and damage being done by
erratic lockdowns. And about hospitals putting up tents for the next
overload.

The last C19 death in San Francisco was just about a month ago.

Yeah, that certainly does look odd, since the last month has seen circa 60 cases a day
reported. I wonder if serious cases are being removed to a location outside the city?
That\'s about 1900 new cases in the last thirty days, so one would expect a two-digit
fatality number.

Testing is way, way up. That at least accounts for the increasing case
curve.

And, like in many other places, the death rate per infection is way
down.

The area around Yosemite had no reported deaths and few known cases.
They just tested the sewage and found lots of viruses, panicked,
tested a lot of people, and found a bunch of cases. But still no
deaths.

There could be a couple of explanations of why we have more cases and
fewer (or zero) deaths per case, but this group is hostile to ideas so
I won\'t suggest any. Keep talking about masks.





--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[server]

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 01:42:10 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 6:42:34 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

The headlines in today\'s San Francisco Comical (sorry, Chronicle) are
all about the economic and personal chaos and damage being done by
erratic lockdowns. And about hospitals putting up tents for the next
overload.

The last C19 death in San Francisco was just about a month ago.

Yeah, that certainly does look odd, since the last month has seen circa 60 cases a day
reported. I wonder if serious cases are being removed to a location outside the city?
That\'s about 1900 new cases in the last thirty days, so one would expect a two-digit
fatality number.

Testing is way, way up. That at least accounts for the increasing case
curve.

And, like in many other places, the death rate per infection is way
down.

The area around Yosemite had no reported deaths and few known cases.
They just tested the sewage and found lots of viruses, panicked,
tested a lot of people, and found a bunch of cases. But still no
deaths.

There could be a couple of explanations of why we have more cases and
fewer (or zero) deaths per case, but this group is hostile to ideas so
I won\'t suggest any. Keep talking about masks.





--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[Ricketty C]

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 4:42:16 AM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 6:42:34 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

The headlines in today\'s San Francisco Comical (sorry, Chronicle) are
all about the economic and personal chaos and damage being done by
erratic lockdowns. And about hospitals putting up tents for the next
overload.

The last C19 death in San Francisco was just about a month ago.

Yeah, that certainly does look odd, since the last month has seen circa 60 cases a day
reported. I wonder if serious cases are being removed to a location outside the city?
That\'s about 1900 new cases in the last thirty days, so one would expect a two-digit
fatality number.

Not very relevant. Any small area can have high or low numbers for a variety of reasons. Larkin likes cherry picking his data, only ever commenting about the numbers that he thinks indicate the disease is not important. Meanwhile the virus is raging through many southern states like a wildfire with both new infections and daily deaths increasing rapidly, enough so that they are driving the numbers for the nation.

All while most countries have managed to get their infections under control and greatly reducing fatality counts. The US presently accounts for about 1/6th the world\'s deaths from this disease and rising.

Larkin would respond to this data by cherry picking and citing only total to date numbers. We may have gotten off light early in the progress of this pandemic as it spread around the world, but we are headed in the wrong direction. It doesn\'t matter where you start, if you go in the wrong direction you won\'t end up where you want.

--

Rick C.

-+-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-+-+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Ricketty C]

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 4:42:16 AM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 6:42:34 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

The headlines in today\'s San Francisco Comical (sorry, Chronicle) are
all about the economic and personal chaos and damage being done by
erratic lockdowns. And about hospitals putting up tents for the next
overload.

The last C19 death in San Francisco was just about a month ago.

Yeah, that certainly does look odd, since the last month has seen circa 60 cases a day
reported. I wonder if serious cases are being removed to a location outside the city?
That\'s about 1900 new cases in the last thirty days, so one would expect a two-digit
fatality number.

Not very relevant. Any small area can have high or low numbers for a variety of reasons. Larkin likes cherry picking his data, only ever commenting about the numbers that he thinks indicate the disease is not important. Meanwhile the virus is raging through many southern states like a wildfire with both new infections and daily deaths increasing rapidly, enough so that they are driving the numbers for the nation.

All while most countries have managed to get their infections under control and greatly reducing fatality counts. The US presently accounts for about 1/6th the world\'s deaths from this disease and rising.

Larkin would respond to this data by cherry picking and citing only total to date numbers. We may have gotten off light early in the progress of this pandemic as it spread around the world, but we are headed in the wrong direction. It doesn\'t matter where you start, if you go in the wrong direction you won\'t end up where you want.

--

Rick C.

-+-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-+-+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Ricketty C]

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 4:42:16 AM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 6:42:34 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

The headlines in today\'s San Francisco Comical (sorry, Chronicle) are
all about the economic and personal chaos and damage being done by
erratic lockdowns. And about hospitals putting up tents for the next
overload.

The last C19 death in San Francisco was just about a month ago.

Yeah, that certainly does look odd, since the last month has seen circa 60 cases a day
reported. I wonder if serious cases are being removed to a location outside the city?
That\'s about 1900 new cases in the last thirty days, so one would expect a two-digit
fatality number.

Not very relevant. Any small area can have high or low numbers for a variety of reasons. Larkin likes cherry picking his data, only ever commenting about the numbers that he thinks indicate the disease is not important. Meanwhile the virus is raging through many southern states like a wildfire with both new infections and daily deaths increasing rapidly, enough so that they are driving the numbers for the nation.

All while most countries have managed to get their infections under control and greatly reducing fatality counts. The US presently accounts for about 1/6th the world\'s deaths from this disease and rising.

Larkin would respond to this data by cherry picking and citing only total to date numbers. We may have gotten off light early in the progress of this pandemic as it spread around the world, but we are headed in the wrong direction. It doesn\'t matter where you start, if you go in the wrong direction you won\'t end up where you want.

--

Rick C.

-+-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-+-+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[bitrex]

On 7/13/2020 10:09 PM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
Am 12.07.20 um 19:47 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:

He was probably not elected in 2016.

At least not from the majority of the people.

Everyone has forgottn that Bill Clinton won with 43% and 49%. I\'m sure
it would be more memorable if Republicans played the \"they stole the
election\" game that Democrats have played every time a Republican won
since 1980. Apparently we never, ever, win an election. In 2000 Gore
made us look so much like a banana republic that Moamar Quadaffi offered
to oversee our next election, but most everyone forgot that too.

Of course Republicans win elections, their marketing is geared to a
demographic called \"diagnose-able anti-social psychopath\"

There\'s no shortage of those in America

 

[bitrex]

On 7/13/2020 10:09 PM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
Am 12.07.20 um 19:47 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:

He was probably not elected in 2016.

At least not from the majority of the people.

Everyone has forgottn that Bill Clinton won with 43% and 49%. I\'m sure
it would be more memorable if Republicans played the \"they stole the
election\" game that Democrats have played every time a Republican won
since 1980. Apparently we never, ever, win an election. In 2000 Gore
made us look so much like a banana republic that Moamar Quadaffi offered
to oversee our next election, but most everyone forgot that too.

Of course Republicans win elections, their marketing is geared to a
demographic called \"diagnose-able anti-social psychopath\"

There\'s no shortage of those in America

 

[bitrex]

On 7/13/2020 10:09 PM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
Am 12.07.20 um 19:47 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:

He was probably not elected in 2016.

At least not from the majority of the people.

Everyone has forgottn that Bill Clinton won with 43% and 49%. I\'m sure
it would be more memorable if Republicans played the \"they stole the
election\" game that Democrats have played every time a Republican won
since 1980. Apparently we never, ever, win an election. In 2000 Gore
made us look so much like a banana republic that Moamar Quadaffi offered
to oversee our next election, but most everyone forgot that too.

Of course Republicans win elections, their marketing is geared to a
demographic called \"diagnose-able anti-social psychopath\"

There\'s no shortage of those in America

 

[Ricketty C]

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 10:31:00 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 01:42:10 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 6:42:34 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

The headlines in today\'s San Francisco Comical (sorry, Chronicle) are
all about the economic and personal chaos and damage being done by
erratic lockdowns. And about hospitals putting up tents for the next
overload.

The last C19 death in San Francisco was just about a month ago.

Yeah, that certainly does look odd, since the last month has seen circa 60 cases a day
reported. I wonder if serious cases are being removed to a location outside the city?
That\'s about 1900 new cases in the last thirty days, so one would expect a two-digit
fatality number.

Testing is way, way up. That at least accounts for the increasing case
curve.

More cherry picking. Not only are the number of tests up, but the positivity rate is up which clearly indicates rising infection rates.

And, like in many other places, the death rate per infection is way
down.

Not in Florida or Texas or Arizona where since reaching the incubation period, the death rates are now rising faster than the infection rates and will continue to rise since those seeds have been planted and will grow with no recourse.

The area around Yosemite had no reported deaths and few known cases.
They just tested the sewage and found lots of viruses, panicked,
tested a lot of people, and found a bunch of cases. But still no
deaths.

Odd extraneous data to cite.

There could be a couple of explanations of why we have more cases and
fewer (or zero) deaths per case, but this group is hostile to ideas so
I won\'t suggest any. Keep talking about masks.

He doesn\'t offer explanations because he can\'t defend any of the ridiculous ideas he puts forward, like the disease is spread when air conditioning is used to explain how the disease is spreading rapidly in cold countries as well as hot areas. Only the temperate will survive. Here in the mid-atlantic states we\'ve had 90 degree days for 20 days in a row. I suppose we\'ll be seeing infections and deaths rocket now with all the air conditioning going on.

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[Ricketty C]

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 10:31:00 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 01:42:10 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 6:42:34 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

The headlines in today\'s San Francisco Comical (sorry, Chronicle) are
all about the economic and personal chaos and damage being done by
erratic lockdowns. And about hospitals putting up tents for the next
overload.

The last C19 death in San Francisco was just about a month ago.

Yeah, that certainly does look odd, since the last month has seen circa 60 cases a day
reported. I wonder if serious cases are being removed to a location outside the city?
That\'s about 1900 new cases in the last thirty days, so one would expect a two-digit
fatality number.

Testing is way, way up. That at least accounts for the increasing case
curve.

More cherry picking. Not only are the number of tests up, but the positivity rate is up which clearly indicates rising infection rates.

And, like in many other places, the death rate per infection is way
down.

Not in Florida or Texas or Arizona where since reaching the incubation period, the death rates are now rising faster than the infection rates and will continue to rise since those seeds have been planted and will grow with no recourse.

The area around Yosemite had no reported deaths and few known cases.
They just tested the sewage and found lots of viruses, panicked,
tested a lot of people, and found a bunch of cases. But still no
deaths.

Odd extraneous data to cite.

There could be a couple of explanations of why we have more cases and
fewer (or zero) deaths per case, but this group is hostile to ideas so
I won\'t suggest any. Keep talking about masks.

He doesn\'t offer explanations because he can\'t defend any of the ridiculous ideas he puts forward, like the disease is spread when air conditioning is used to explain how the disease is spreading rapidly in cold countries as well as hot areas. Only the temperate will survive. Here in the mid-atlantic states we\'ve had 90 degree days for 20 days in a row. I suppose we\'ll be seeing infections and deaths rocket now with all the air conditioning going on.

--

Rick C.

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[Ricketty C]

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 10:31:00 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 01:42:10 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 6:42:34 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

The headlines in today\'s San Francisco Comical (sorry, Chronicle) are
all about the economic and personal chaos and damage being done by
erratic lockdowns. And about hospitals putting up tents for the next
overload.

The last C19 death in San Francisco was just about a month ago.

Yeah, that certainly does look odd, since the last month has seen circa 60 cases a day
reported. I wonder if serious cases are being removed to a location outside the city?
That\'s about 1900 new cases in the last thirty days, so one would expect a two-digit
fatality number.

Testing is way, way up. That at least accounts for the increasing case
curve.

More cherry picking. Not only are the number of tests up, but the positivity rate is up which clearly indicates rising infection rates.

And, like in many other places, the death rate per infection is way
down.

Not in Florida or Texas or Arizona where since reaching the incubation period, the death rates are now rising faster than the infection rates and will continue to rise since those seeds have been planted and will grow with no recourse.

The area around Yosemite had no reported deaths and few known cases.
They just tested the sewage and found lots of viruses, panicked,
tested a lot of people, and found a bunch of cases. But still no
deaths.

Odd extraneous data to cite.

There could be a couple of explanations of why we have more cases and
fewer (or zero) deaths per case, but this group is hostile to ideas so
I won\'t suggest any. Keep talking about masks.

He doesn\'t offer explanations because he can\'t defend any of the ridiculous ideas he puts forward, like the disease is spread when air conditioning is used to explain how the disease is spreading rapidly in cold countries as well as hot areas. Only the temperate will survive. Here in the mid-atlantic states we\'ve had 90 degree days for 20 days in a row. I suppose we\'ll be seeing infections and deaths rocket now with all the air conditioning going on.

--

Rick C.

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[Joe Chisolm]

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:30:52 -0700, jlarkin wrote:

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 01:42:10 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 6:42:34 AM UTC-7,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

The headlines in today\'s San Francisco Comical (sorry, Chronicle) are
all about the economic and personal chaos and damage being done by
erratic lockdowns. And about hospitals putting up tents for the next
overload.

The last C19 death in San Francisco was just about a month ago.

Yeah, that certainly does look odd, since the last month has seen circa
60 cases a day reported. I wonder if serious cases are being removed
to a location outside the city?
That\'s about 1900 new cases in the last thirty days, so one would expect
a two-digit fatality number.

Testing is way, way up. That at least accounts for the increasing case
curve.

And, like in many other places, the death rate per infection is way
down.

The area around Yosemite had no reported deaths and few known cases.
They just tested the sewage and found lots of viruses, panicked, tested
a lot of people, and found a bunch of cases. But still no deaths.

There could be a couple of explanations of why we have more cases and
fewer (or zero) deaths per case, but this group is hostile to ideas so I
won\'t suggest any. Keep talking about masks.

The death rate and infection rates are inflated. Florida clinic reported
98% infection rate but on checking the real value was 9.4% - not a
simple decimal point error. In Washington state a gun shot fatality
was listed as C19 caused. Who knows how many other \"errors\" there are
from the reporting clinics and hospitals. The C19 numbers
are completely unreliable. Officials are also trying to measure
a single data point while changing 2 variables. Then blame the
data point increase on one of the variables without accounting
for the change of the other one.

--
Chisolm
Texas-American

 

[Ricketty C]

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 1:23:56 PM UTC-4, Joe Chisolm wrote:

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:30:52 -0700, jlarkin wrote:

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 01:42:10 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 6:42:34 AM UTC-7,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

The headlines in today\'s San Francisco Comical (sorry, Chronicle) are
all about the economic and personal chaos and damage being done by
erratic lockdowns. And about hospitals putting up tents for the next
overload.

The last C19 death in San Francisco was just about a month ago.

Yeah, that certainly does look odd, since the last month has seen circa
60 cases a day reported. I wonder if serious cases are being removed
to a location outside the city?
That\'s about 1900 new cases in the last thirty days, so one would expect
a two-digit fatality number.

Testing is way, way up. That at least accounts for the increasing case
curve.

And, like in many other places, the death rate per infection is way
down.

The area around Yosemite had no reported deaths and few known cases.
They just tested the sewage and found lots of viruses, panicked, tested
a lot of people, and found a bunch of cases. But still no deaths.

There could be a couple of explanations of why we have more cases and
fewer (or zero) deaths per case, but this group is hostile to ideas so I
won\'t suggest any. Keep talking about masks.

The death rate and infection rates are inflated. Florida clinic reported
98% infection rate but on checking the real value was 9.4% - not a
simple decimal point error. In Washington state a gun shot fatality
was listed as C19 caused. Who knows how many other \"errors\" there are
from the reporting clinics and hospitals. The C19 numbers
are completely unreliable. Officials are also trying to measure
a single data point while changing 2 variables. Then blame the
data point increase on one of the variables without accounting
for the change of the other one.

So the hospitals in Houston are not reaching capacity? The ICUs in Florida and Georgia are not full with hospitals sending patients to other hospitals hours away?

Someone referred to Florida as the new Hubei Province. It was claimed the numbers were faked there too, but at that time the conspiracy theorists were claiming everything was under reported.

You cite two cases of bad reporting and claim every number is \"unreliable\". Does this mean you are going to the next coronavirus party you can find to show the disease is fake? God speed. It will be nice to see the end of the denialists by overexposure to COVID-19. Show us you really believe what you say and go out to bars and stand elbow to elbow with hundreds of people. But then when you get infected, stay at home and hose yourself down with bleach. We don\'t want you to risk infecting any health care workers.

Larkin talks big and then hides at home and in his work castle that he has cleaned with disinfectant twice a week. I believe the term for this is two-faced.

--

Rick C.

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