Conical inductors--still $10!...

[Tom Gardner]

On 16/07/20 06:32, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:

E.g., why would someone on the dole ever work for something they
already get free? It doesn\'t make any sense.

True for some people, false for many more.

Many people feel defined by their work, and feel
pointless without it. Such people have a tendency
to \"give up and die\" relatively shortly after
retiring.

You seem to understand Theory X companies, but
have no clue about Theory Y companies, as described
by McGregor in the 1950s.

Long before McGregor, Hewlett and Packard knew the
difference instinctively, and created a rather
successful Theory Y company. You may have heard
of it.

\"Theory Y managers assume employees are internally
motivated, enjoy their job, and work to better
themselves without a direct reward in return. These
managers view their employees as one of the most
valuable assets to the company, driving the internal
workings of the corporation. Employees additionally
tend to take full responsibility for their work and
do not need close supervision to create a quality
product.\"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_X_and_Theory_Y

Or, as famously noted at the time of Princess Fiorina,
http://www.satirewire.com/news/0105/loyal.shtml

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 15/07/20 18:59, bitrex wrote:

On 7/15/2020 1:05 PM, blocher@columbus.rr.com wrote:
On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 12:16:45 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
Today\'s Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Sciences has this paper

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/06/23/2006048117.full.pdf

Apparently if you spend time spelling out what exponential growth really
means, even conservatives become more willing to take social distancing
seriously.

It probably won\'t work on John Larkin who is really resistant to having
things spelled out for him, and wouldn\'t work for Trump, who hasn\'t got a
long enough attention span to let him absorb the message.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

Trying to \"educate\" people about exponential growth with an obtuse paper is
not a good strategy.  What is the takeaway in a couple of sentences?


I will tell you, but you\'ll have to pay me. But only in pennies - I work very
cheap!

Just take this checkerboard and put one penny on the first square, two on the
second, four on the third...

When I was 8 I learned the famous version using grains of rice
on a chess board. A couple of years later, still in junior
school, the class was asked whether they would prefer 1p doubling
for 31 days, or £1, £2, £3, £4... £31.

I was the only one that chose the right answer, but everybody
in the class learned the lesson. Good experience for 10 year
olds.

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 15/07/20 18:59, bitrex wrote:

On 7/15/2020 1:05 PM, blocher@columbus.rr.com wrote:
On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 12:16:45 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
Today\'s Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Sciences has this paper

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/06/23/2006048117.full.pdf

Apparently if you spend time spelling out what exponential growth really
means, even conservatives become more willing to take social distancing
seriously.

It probably won\'t work on John Larkin who is really resistant to having
things spelled out for him, and wouldn\'t work for Trump, who hasn\'t got a
long enough attention span to let him absorb the message.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

Trying to \"educate\" people about exponential growth with an obtuse paper is
not a good strategy.  What is the takeaway in a couple of sentences?


I will tell you, but you\'ll have to pay me. But only in pennies - I work very
cheap!

Just take this checkerboard and put one penny on the first square, two on the
second, four on the third...

When I was 8 I learned the famous version using grains of rice
on a chess board. A couple of years later, still in junior
school, the class was asked whether they would prefer 1p doubling
for 31 days, or £1, £2, £3, £4... £31.

I was the only one that chose the right answer, but everybody
in the class learned the lesson. Good experience for 10 year
olds.

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 15/07/20 18:59, bitrex wrote:

On 7/15/2020 1:05 PM, blocher@columbus.rr.com wrote:
On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 12:16:45 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
Today\'s Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Sciences has this paper

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/06/23/2006048117.full.pdf

Apparently if you spend time spelling out what exponential growth really
means, even conservatives become more willing to take social distancing
seriously.

It probably won\'t work on John Larkin who is really resistant to having
things spelled out for him, and wouldn\'t work for Trump, who hasn\'t got a
long enough attention span to let him absorb the message.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

Trying to \"educate\" people about exponential growth with an obtuse paper is
not a good strategy.  What is the takeaway in a couple of sentences?


I will tell you, but you\'ll have to pay me. But only in pennies - I work very
cheap!

Just take this checkerboard and put one penny on the first square, two on the
second, four on the third...

When I was 8 I learned the famous version using grains of rice
on a chess board. A couple of years later, still in junior
school, the class was asked whether they would prefer 1p doubling
for 31 days, or £1, £2, £3, £4... £31.

I was the only one that chose the right answer, but everybody
in the class learned the lesson. Good experience for 10 year
olds.

 

[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 10:32:08 PM UTC-7, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

E.g., why would someone on the dole ever work for something they
already get free? It doesn\'t make any sense.

I think hardware design trains some of us...

You could have done worse to emulate the hardware designs of Henry Cavendish.
He was rich, but a hard worker (at science) regardless.

Human motivations didn\'t always start with money. They still don\'t.

 

[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 10:32:08 PM UTC-7, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

E.g., why would someone on the dole ever work for something they
already get free? It doesn\'t make any sense.

I think hardware design trains some of us...

You could have done worse to emulate the hardware designs of Henry Cavendish.
He was rich, but a hard worker (at science) regardless.

Human motivations didn\'t always start with money. They still don\'t.

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 16/07/20 06:32, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:

E.g., why would someone on the dole ever work for something they
already get free? It doesn\'t make any sense.

I\'ve been having major external work done on my house.
It was stopped by the lockdown at just about the worst
possible time. I was extremely concerned about water
ingress and damage during a storm, but fortunately we
had an extremely dry spring.

When the various (blue collar) contractor workers came
back after lockdown ended, I asked them whether they
were glad to be back at work. The majority (maybe 2/3)
were glad to be working again.

That proportion was higher than I expected.

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 16/07/20 06:32, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:

E.g., why would someone on the dole ever work for something they
already get free? It doesn\'t make any sense.

I\'ve been having major external work done on my house.
It was stopped by the lockdown at just about the worst
possible time. I was extremely concerned about water
ingress and damage during a storm, but fortunately we
had an extremely dry spring.

When the various (blue collar) contractor workers came
back after lockdown ended, I asked them whether they
were glad to be back at work. The majority (maybe 2/3)
were glad to be working again.

That proportion was higher than I expected.

 

[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 10:32:08 PM UTC-7, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

E.g., why would someone on the dole ever work for something they
already get free? It doesn\'t make any sense.

I think hardware design trains some of us...

You could have done worse to emulate the hardware designs of Henry Cavendish.
He was rich, but a hard worker (at science) regardless.

Human motivations didn\'t always start with money. They still don\'t.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 2:15:48 PM UTC+10, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 10:58:54 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

James Arthur does seem to act as if he is in the top 1% of the income distribution, or maybe he just gets paid to act that way. Apparently Obama\'s attempt to use the IRS to go after the money the Koch brothers were spending to astro-turf what used to be the Republican Party into the Tea Party faction impacted James Arthur and he\'s been cross about it ever since.

snip


He much gives the impression of a man who had a crooked scheme and then
much irritated that even the US Government was smart enough to figure it
out.

Gossip, and flat wrong.

Bill\'s similarly loony.

James Arthur does try convince us that we are the lunatics and his bizarre delusions reflect some kind of appreciation of the real world. The fact that he even bothers to try says enough.

I know a lot of Tea Party people and a lot
about the workings. Real people putting their own money into the
coffee can, not Bill\'s ridiculous fiction.

The Koch brothers certainly put enough in to make a difference

> (And we\'re still at it.)

As the Donald Trump appreciation society. Anybody with enough grasp of reality to realise what a disaster Trump has turned out to be has bailed out by now.

The Koch brothers spent enough to galvanise the lunatic fringe and to let them organise well enough to take over the Republican Party. It\'s a severe criticism of the original Republican Party that they weren\'t able to resist.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/26/koch-brothers-americans-for-prosperity-rightwing-political-group

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 2:15:48 PM UTC+10, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 10:58:54 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

James Arthur does seem to act as if he is in the top 1% of the income distribution, or maybe he just gets paid to act that way. Apparently Obama\'s attempt to use the IRS to go after the money the Koch brothers were spending to astro-turf what used to be the Republican Party into the Tea Party faction impacted James Arthur and he\'s been cross about it ever since.

snip


He much gives the impression of a man who had a crooked scheme and then
much irritated that even the US Government was smart enough to figure it
out.

Gossip, and flat wrong.

Bill\'s similarly loony.

James Arthur does try convince us that we are the lunatics and his bizarre delusions reflect some kind of appreciation of the real world. The fact that he even bothers to try says enough.

I know a lot of Tea Party people and a lot
about the workings. Real people putting their own money into the
coffee can, not Bill\'s ridiculous fiction.

The Koch brothers certainly put enough in to make a difference

> (And we\'re still at it.)

As the Donald Trump appreciation society. Anybody with enough grasp of reality to realise what a disaster Trump has turned out to be has bailed out by now.

The Koch brothers spent enough to galvanise the lunatic fringe and to let them organise well enough to take over the Republican Party. It\'s a severe criticism of the original Republican Party that they weren\'t able to resist.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/26/koch-brothers-americans-for-prosperity-rightwing-political-group

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 2:04:17 PM UTC+10, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 2:48:55 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 7/12/2020 2:19 PM, David Brown wrote:
On 12/07/2020 19:44, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 12:34:40 PM UTC-4, Ricketty C wrote:

The Soviets were confident for all his talk, Reagan would never pull the
trigger on them. They were less sure about Carter. Part of why they and
their allies worked so hard to help get rid of the guy.

Is that why Trump is their man?

No. Trump won my respect because he\'s proven to be a remarkably
capable chief executive, studiously faithful to the idea of limited
government, liberty, and a free people laid out in our constitution.

That let-Americans-decide back to American basics allowed Americans
to get back to work less impeded, producing a fountain of benefits
for the people who needed it most.

Unlike Obama\'s autocracy, President Trump hasn\'t sicced the IRS on his
opponents. Hasn\'t lied to the courts to get spy warrants against
political opponents based on falsified documents, he hasn\'t spied on
journalists or Congress or other political campaigns like Obama did
as a matter of course. Trump\'s been amazingly restrained, staying
within the lawful confines of his office, despite the most outrageous
provocations.

He\'s been exemplary. Both in policy, and in staying true to the American
Experiment, that immortal idea that a virtuous, educated people could,
had the right to -- and should -- rule themselves.

That\'s why.


A finer example of Poe\'s Law would be hard to find.


He thinks Obama sicced the IRS on him.

On Tea Parties. Don\'t read the news much, do we?

It wasn\'t the Tea Party movement as such that worried Obama, but the fact the Koch brothers had spent a lot of money on a successful attempt to astro-turf what had been the Republican Party. They astro-turfed it to such effect that none of the 2016 Tea Party candidates for the Republican Party nomination were more attractive than Donald Trump (which is a pretty low bar).

Doesn\'t seem paranoid at all.

Is bitrex your real name? If not, who\'s paranoid?

Remaining anonymous in this crowd of kooks is realistic, not paranoid. It wasn\'t anything like as bad back in 1996 when I started posting under my own name.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 2:04:17 PM UTC+10, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 2:48:55 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 7/12/2020 2:19 PM, David Brown wrote:
On 12/07/2020 19:44, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 12:34:40 PM UTC-4, Ricketty C wrote:

The Soviets were confident for all his talk, Reagan would never pull the
trigger on them. They were less sure about Carter. Part of why they and
their allies worked so hard to help get rid of the guy.

Is that why Trump is their man?

No. Trump won my respect because he\'s proven to be a remarkably
capable chief executive, studiously faithful to the idea of limited
government, liberty, and a free people laid out in our constitution.

That let-Americans-decide back to American basics allowed Americans
to get back to work less impeded, producing a fountain of benefits
for the people who needed it most.

Unlike Obama\'s autocracy, President Trump hasn\'t sicced the IRS on his
opponents. Hasn\'t lied to the courts to get spy warrants against
political opponents based on falsified documents, he hasn\'t spied on
journalists or Congress or other political campaigns like Obama did
as a matter of course. Trump\'s been amazingly restrained, staying
within the lawful confines of his office, despite the most outrageous
provocations.

He\'s been exemplary. Both in policy, and in staying true to the American
Experiment, that immortal idea that a virtuous, educated people could,
had the right to -- and should -- rule themselves.

That\'s why.


A finer example of Poe\'s Law would be hard to find.


He thinks Obama sicced the IRS on him.

On Tea Parties. Don\'t read the news much, do we?

It wasn\'t the Tea Party movement as such that worried Obama, but the fact the Koch brothers had spent a lot of money on a successful attempt to astro-turf what had been the Republican Party. They astro-turfed it to such effect that none of the 2016 Tea Party candidates for the Republican Party nomination were more attractive than Donald Trump (which is a pretty low bar).

Doesn\'t seem paranoid at all.

Is bitrex your real name? If not, who\'s paranoid?

Remaining anonymous in this crowd of kooks is realistic, not paranoid. It wasn\'t anything like as bad back in 1996 when I started posting under my own name.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 2:04:17 PM UTC+10, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 2:48:55 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 7/12/2020 2:19 PM, David Brown wrote:
On 12/07/2020 19:44, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 12:34:40 PM UTC-4, Ricketty C wrote:

The Soviets were confident for all his talk, Reagan would never pull the
trigger on them. They were less sure about Carter. Part of why they and
their allies worked so hard to help get rid of the guy.

Is that why Trump is their man?

No. Trump won my respect because he\'s proven to be a remarkably
capable chief executive, studiously faithful to the idea of limited
government, liberty, and a free people laid out in our constitution.

That let-Americans-decide back to American basics allowed Americans
to get back to work less impeded, producing a fountain of benefits
for the people who needed it most.

Unlike Obama\'s autocracy, President Trump hasn\'t sicced the IRS on his
opponents. Hasn\'t lied to the courts to get spy warrants against
political opponents based on falsified documents, he hasn\'t spied on
journalists or Congress or other political campaigns like Obama did
as a matter of course. Trump\'s been amazingly restrained, staying
within the lawful confines of his office, despite the most outrageous
provocations.

He\'s been exemplary. Both in policy, and in staying true to the American
Experiment, that immortal idea that a virtuous, educated people could,
had the right to -- and should -- rule themselves.

That\'s why.


A finer example of Poe\'s Law would be hard to find.


He thinks Obama sicced the IRS on him.

On Tea Parties. Don\'t read the news much, do we?

It wasn\'t the Tea Party movement as such that worried Obama, but the fact the Koch brothers had spent a lot of money on a successful attempt to astro-turf what had been the Republican Party. They astro-turfed it to such effect that none of the 2016 Tea Party candidates for the Republican Party nomination were more attractive than Donald Trump (which is a pretty low bar).

Doesn\'t seem paranoid at all.

Is bitrex your real name? If not, who\'s paranoid?

Remaining anonymous in this crowd of kooks is realistic, not paranoid. It wasn\'t anything like as bad back in 1996 when I started posting under my own name.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Cydrome Leader]

Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote:
> Why are CPUs only about 80W TDP? Can\'t they make ones with three times as many cores that have 250W TDP like graphics cards?

they do and have for years. Here\'s a current one, hope you have some cash

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/205684/intel-xeon-platinum-8380hl-processor-38-5m-cache-2-90-ghz.html

 

[Cydrome Leader]

Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote:
> Why are CPUs only about 80W TDP? Can\'t they make ones with three times as many cores that have 250W TDP like graphics cards?

they do and have for years. Here\'s a current one, hope you have some cash

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/205684/intel-xeon-platinum-8380hl-processor-38-5m-cache-2-90-ghz.html

 

[Cydrome Leader]

Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote:
> Why are CPUs only about 80W TDP? Can\'t they make ones with three times as many cores that have 250W TDP like graphics cards?

they do and have for years. Here\'s a current one, hope you have some cash

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/205684/intel-xeon-platinum-8380hl-processor-38-5m-cache-2-90-ghz.html

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 3:49:39 PM UTC+10, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 1:20:17 AM UTC-4, Ricketty C wrote:
On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 11:50:17 PM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 1:50:54 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 21:13:37 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 11:19:34 PM UTC-4, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
You are like the people who initially protested the stay at home orders because they wanted haircuts. You are so shallow and self centered. Yes, parking is what this pandemic is all about.

Your logic is wrong. I enjoy current parking and traffic situations, but i don\'t believe it should or will continue this way. How it that self centered?

Many office buildings are empty now and probably will never be occupied again. This cannot be a healthy city. City government living on ticket revenues can\'t last forever.

The city population density needs to be reduced and we need to reshape the area somehow. We just have to deal with the issues sooner or later.

I don\'t encourage people to protest the stay at home order. But i don\'t encourage blind strict enforcement either.

This is silly. You want strict enforcement, where it matters, for the 14 days it takes to make sure that anybody who has the infection has manifested it by testing positive for the presence of the virus.

Not enough districts in the US have done the kind of contact tracing that lets them quarantine only the people who might be infected for the 14 days from when they might have got infected.

We have been shut-down for many times of 14 days, but the virus is not going away. The 14 days period was and is just a guess. How is Australia and Beijing dealing with renew cases anyway? Contract tracing is not possible in many part of the world, including Beijing. We are way pass that point. You guys keep repeating meaningless phases.

Not to worry, the virus will suddenly be down the memory hole as
soon as the election\'s over, not a problem at all.

During H1N1 the Obama-Biden administration stopped counting cases.

quote
\"In late July, the CDC abruptly advised states to stop testing for H1N1 flu, and stopped counting individual cases. The rationale given for the CDC guidance to forego testing and tracking individual cases was: why waste resources testing for H1N1 flu when the government has already confirmed there\'s an epidemic?

Some public health officials privately disagreed with the decision to stop testing and counting, telling CBS News that continued tracking of this new and possibly changing virus was important because H1N1 has a different epidemiology, affects younger people more than seasonal flu and has been shown to have a higher case fatality rate than other flu virus strains.\"
/quote
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/swine-flu-cases-overestimated/

Can you imagine if this president did the same?

Apparently now we\'re supposed to permanently shut down the world every
time there\'s a virus anywhere. I\'m not sure people have thought this
thing through...

Cheers,
James Arthur

Looks like it has burned out in New York, as it did in many European
countries. You can\'t have 20% of a population infected, for two or
three weeks each maybe, forever, even if the herd immunity level were
100%. Which of course it isn\'t.

The characteristic new-case waveform seems to be a rounded hump (dare
I say Gaussian?) of width 5 weeks or so. Lockdowns no doubt extend the
tail and cause secondary blips when inevitably mis-managed.

The up-swing in the US south may well be caused by air conditioning..

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/07/14/is-air-conditioning-contributing-to-coronavirus-spread/

Australia and S Africa and Paraguay seem to be having winter bumps.

The head of the CDC commented that they think the bump in the South
coincided with Memorial Day crowds of northerners, vacationing.

I\'ve just gotten word that despite being locked down in a lock-down
state to the point of lock-down insanity, Mom\'s been exposed. So now
the wait begins.

These half-witted faux-science worshippers who haven\'t let us get
national immunity may have killed her, just as I predicted months
ago.

I\'m sorry for your mom. Even in the older age groups it is only serious 20% of the time or so. Hope she gets better or even has no real symptoms..

Yeah, I feel your pain. The faux-science worshipers will make this disease as bad as it could be. I wish people would ignore the idiots and take the advice of the real scientists like Fauci.

You mean the same Fauci who said we shouldn\'t wear face coverings but
now says the opposite? Who told President Trump it was likely to be
like a bad seasonal flu? (Which is still likely -- flu\'s no joke.)
Who advised us that we needn\'t be concerned? Who said it was contained?
Then told us we\'d have to be locked-down forever?

I like Fauci but he\'s not God, he\'s just a guy, and he\'s not better than
common sense. Wash your hands, don\'t touch your face. If you\'re sick,
stay home. If you\'ve been exposed, self-isolate. Don\'t cough on people,
that\'s rude.

People like Navarro will be the death of us all.

I think it might be wise to leave this country and only return after the US quarantine is lifted. I\'m not talking about the US imposing a quarantine on the residents, I\'m talking about the quarantine the rest of the world will be imposing on this country. Consider how bad the economy will be then!

If we\'d allowed the 2/3rds of society we know aren\'t badly affected to
go about their business normally, this thing would\'ve been over months
ago and our senior citizens safe.

James Arthur hasn\'t noticed that when people start dying of Covid-19, other people start practice social distancing of their own accord. Note the Swedish example.

It still kills a lot of people, and even the Swedes aren\'t anywhere near herd immunity yet.

James Arthur does post a lot of fatuous nonsense, but this is a more extreme example than most.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 3:49:39 PM UTC+10, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 1:20:17 AM UTC-4, Ricketty C wrote:
On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 11:50:17 PM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 1:50:54 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 21:13:37 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 11:19:34 PM UTC-4, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
You are like the people who initially protested the stay at home orders because they wanted haircuts. You are so shallow and self centered. Yes, parking is what this pandemic is all about.

Your logic is wrong. I enjoy current parking and traffic situations, but i don\'t believe it should or will continue this way. How it that self centered?

Many office buildings are empty now and probably will never be occupied again. This cannot be a healthy city. City government living on ticket revenues can\'t last forever.

The city population density needs to be reduced and we need to reshape the area somehow. We just have to deal with the issues sooner or later.

I don\'t encourage people to protest the stay at home order. But i don\'t encourage blind strict enforcement either.

This is silly. You want strict enforcement, where it matters, for the 14 days it takes to make sure that anybody who has the infection has manifested it by testing positive for the presence of the virus.

Not enough districts in the US have done the kind of contact tracing that lets them quarantine only the people who might be infected for the 14 days from when they might have got infected.

We have been shut-down for many times of 14 days, but the virus is not going away. The 14 days period was and is just a guess. How is Australia and Beijing dealing with renew cases anyway? Contract tracing is not possible in many part of the world, including Beijing. We are way pass that point. You guys keep repeating meaningless phases.

Not to worry, the virus will suddenly be down the memory hole as
soon as the election\'s over, not a problem at all.

During H1N1 the Obama-Biden administration stopped counting cases.

quote
\"In late July, the CDC abruptly advised states to stop testing for H1N1 flu, and stopped counting individual cases. The rationale given for the CDC guidance to forego testing and tracking individual cases was: why waste resources testing for H1N1 flu when the government has already confirmed there\'s an epidemic?

Some public health officials privately disagreed with the decision to stop testing and counting, telling CBS News that continued tracking of this new and possibly changing virus was important because H1N1 has a different epidemiology, affects younger people more than seasonal flu and has been shown to have a higher case fatality rate than other flu virus strains.\"
/quote
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/swine-flu-cases-overestimated/

Can you imagine if this president did the same?

Apparently now we\'re supposed to permanently shut down the world every
time there\'s a virus anywhere. I\'m not sure people have thought this
thing through...

Cheers,
James Arthur

Looks like it has burned out in New York, as it did in many European
countries. You can\'t have 20% of a population infected, for two or
three weeks each maybe, forever, even if the herd immunity level were
100%. Which of course it isn\'t.

The characteristic new-case waveform seems to be a rounded hump (dare
I say Gaussian?) of width 5 weeks or so. Lockdowns no doubt extend the
tail and cause secondary blips when inevitably mis-managed.

The up-swing in the US south may well be caused by air conditioning..

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/07/14/is-air-conditioning-contributing-to-coronavirus-spread/

Australia and S Africa and Paraguay seem to be having winter bumps.

The head of the CDC commented that they think the bump in the South
coincided with Memorial Day crowds of northerners, vacationing.

I\'ve just gotten word that despite being locked down in a lock-down
state to the point of lock-down insanity, Mom\'s been exposed. So now
the wait begins.

These half-witted faux-science worshippers who haven\'t let us get
national immunity may have killed her, just as I predicted months
ago.

I\'m sorry for your mom. Even in the older age groups it is only serious 20% of the time or so. Hope she gets better or even has no real symptoms..

Yeah, I feel your pain. The faux-science worshipers will make this disease as bad as it could be. I wish people would ignore the idiots and take the advice of the real scientists like Fauci.

You mean the same Fauci who said we shouldn\'t wear face coverings but
now says the opposite? Who told President Trump it was likely to be
like a bad seasonal flu? (Which is still likely -- flu\'s no joke.)
Who advised us that we needn\'t be concerned? Who said it was contained?
Then told us we\'d have to be locked-down forever?

I like Fauci but he\'s not God, he\'s just a guy, and he\'s not better than
common sense. Wash your hands, don\'t touch your face. If you\'re sick,
stay home. If you\'ve been exposed, self-isolate. Don\'t cough on people,
that\'s rude.

People like Navarro will be the death of us all.

I think it might be wise to leave this country and only return after the US quarantine is lifted. I\'m not talking about the US imposing a quarantine on the residents, I\'m talking about the quarantine the rest of the world will be imposing on this country. Consider how bad the economy will be then!

If we\'d allowed the 2/3rds of society we know aren\'t badly affected to
go about their business normally, this thing would\'ve been over months
ago and our senior citizens safe.

James Arthur hasn\'t noticed that when people start dying of Covid-19, other people start practice social distancing of their own accord. Note the Swedish example.

It still kills a lot of people, and even the Swedes aren\'t anywhere near herd immunity yet.

James Arthur does post a lot of fatuous nonsense, but this is a more extreme example than most.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 3:49:39 PM UTC+10, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 1:20:17 AM UTC-4, Ricketty C wrote:
On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 11:50:17 PM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 1:50:54 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 21:13:37 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 11:19:34 PM UTC-4, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
You are like the people who initially protested the stay at home orders because they wanted haircuts. You are so shallow and self centered. Yes, parking is what this pandemic is all about.

Your logic is wrong. I enjoy current parking and traffic situations, but i don\'t believe it should or will continue this way. How it that self centered?

Many office buildings are empty now and probably will never be occupied again. This cannot be a healthy city. City government living on ticket revenues can\'t last forever.

The city population density needs to be reduced and we need to reshape the area somehow. We just have to deal with the issues sooner or later.

I don\'t encourage people to protest the stay at home order. But i don\'t encourage blind strict enforcement either.

This is silly. You want strict enforcement, where it matters, for the 14 days it takes to make sure that anybody who has the infection has manifested it by testing positive for the presence of the virus.

Not enough districts in the US have done the kind of contact tracing that lets them quarantine only the people who might be infected for the 14 days from when they might have got infected.

We have been shut-down for many times of 14 days, but the virus is not going away. The 14 days period was and is just a guess. How is Australia and Beijing dealing with renew cases anyway? Contract tracing is not possible in many part of the world, including Beijing. We are way pass that point. You guys keep repeating meaningless phases.

Not to worry, the virus will suddenly be down the memory hole as
soon as the election\'s over, not a problem at all.

During H1N1 the Obama-Biden administration stopped counting cases.

quote
\"In late July, the CDC abruptly advised states to stop testing for H1N1 flu, and stopped counting individual cases. The rationale given for the CDC guidance to forego testing and tracking individual cases was: why waste resources testing for H1N1 flu when the government has already confirmed there\'s an epidemic?

Some public health officials privately disagreed with the decision to stop testing and counting, telling CBS News that continued tracking of this new and possibly changing virus was important because H1N1 has a different epidemiology, affects younger people more than seasonal flu and has been shown to have a higher case fatality rate than other flu virus strains.\"
/quote
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/swine-flu-cases-overestimated/

Can you imagine if this president did the same?

Apparently now we\'re supposed to permanently shut down the world every
time there\'s a virus anywhere. I\'m not sure people have thought this
thing through...

Cheers,
James Arthur

Looks like it has burned out in New York, as it did in many European
countries. You can\'t have 20% of a population infected, for two or
three weeks each maybe, forever, even if the herd immunity level were
100%. Which of course it isn\'t.

The characteristic new-case waveform seems to be a rounded hump (dare
I say Gaussian?) of width 5 weeks or so. Lockdowns no doubt extend the
tail and cause secondary blips when inevitably mis-managed.

The up-swing in the US south may well be caused by air conditioning..

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/07/14/is-air-conditioning-contributing-to-coronavirus-spread/

Australia and S Africa and Paraguay seem to be having winter bumps.

The head of the CDC commented that they think the bump in the South
coincided with Memorial Day crowds of northerners, vacationing.

I\'ve just gotten word that despite being locked down in a lock-down
state to the point of lock-down insanity, Mom\'s been exposed. So now
the wait begins.

These half-witted faux-science worshippers who haven\'t let us get
national immunity may have killed her, just as I predicted months
ago.

I\'m sorry for your mom. Even in the older age groups it is only serious 20% of the time or so. Hope she gets better or even has no real symptoms..

Yeah, I feel your pain. The faux-science worshipers will make this disease as bad as it could be. I wish people would ignore the idiots and take the advice of the real scientists like Fauci.

You mean the same Fauci who said we shouldn\'t wear face coverings but
now says the opposite? Who told President Trump it was likely to be
like a bad seasonal flu? (Which is still likely -- flu\'s no joke.)
Who advised us that we needn\'t be concerned? Who said it was contained?
Then told us we\'d have to be locked-down forever?

I like Fauci but he\'s not God, he\'s just a guy, and he\'s not better than
common sense. Wash your hands, don\'t touch your face. If you\'re sick,
stay home. If you\'ve been exposed, self-isolate. Don\'t cough on people,
that\'s rude.

People like Navarro will be the death of us all.

I think it might be wise to leave this country and only return after the US quarantine is lifted. I\'m not talking about the US imposing a quarantine on the residents, I\'m talking about the quarantine the rest of the world will be imposing on this country. Consider how bad the economy will be then!

If we\'d allowed the 2/3rds of society we know aren\'t badly affected to
go about their business normally, this thing would\'ve been over months
ago and our senior citizens safe.

James Arthur hasn\'t noticed that when people start dying of Covid-19, other people start practice social distancing of their own accord. Note the Swedish example.

It still kills a lot of people, and even the Swedes aren\'t anywhere near herd immunity yet.

James Arthur does post a lot of fatuous nonsense, but this is a more extreme example than most.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney