CO detector (was Re: Mains power voltage drop to reduce usage?)...

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 11:42:32 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-16 11:14, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 13:49:00 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:

On 14/11/2022 21:56, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:33:38 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com
wrote:

On 14/11/2022 01:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 20:17:51 -0000, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net
wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 09:08:56 -0800, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 11:56:12 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast..net
wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 07:59:43 -0800, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

One can be asleep and stay that way. CO detectors do save lives.

The detectors themselves aren\'t very reliable, in they they
tend to
false-alarm before their rated lifetime. Mine seem to last about 5
years. I think the operation is based on irrevsible chemical
reactions
that can be poisoned by other things.

I think that you are correct. Modern CO and smoke detectors are
required to brick themselves when a specified time in service is
exceeded, to force replacement.

The ones with a primary lithium battery and 10 year rated lifetimes
are great, but they don\'t seem to last for 10 years.

So far, I have not had this happen. I write the service date on the
bottom of the unit before installation, so I\'d know.

Wow, OCD or what?

Please don\'t tell me you\'re as bad as one of my relatives who
writes the
date she replaced the battery in a clock.

Useful if you want to know whether LR44 cells that cost £2 for 10 are
good value compared to ones that are £2 each.

Try NiMH. They last 10 years no matter how quick it uses them.

I\'d need a charger for them*. And I only use them in low consumption
devices like clocks. I\'ve got rechargeable AAs and AAAs and a charger
for them, but I don\'t use them in things like remote controls as the
batteries last a year or more.

But the rechargeables last 10 years.

At a lower voltage: 1.2 vs 1.5. That\'s enough to make the LCD readout
of a clock nearly unreadable, too dim. On some devices, it triggers the
low battery warning.

I know, I use rechargeables.

I haven\'t seen a device that can\'t handle the lower voltage for about 15 years. And that was a mechanical clock. Fucking terrible on any kind of battery, as it slowed down as the voltage changed.

 

[Peter]

On 11/16/2022 9:08 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 00:49:59 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-14 22:56, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:49:38 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-14 02:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 20:17:51 -0000, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 09:08:56 -0800, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 11:56:12 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 07:59:43 -0800, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 15:24:49 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/11/2022 15:02, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 12:42:26 +0100, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-11 12:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:58:57 -0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 09/11/2022 12:08, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I don\'t have house heating. I heat a room at a time using a
butane
stove.

Carlos, I hope you have a CO detector? It doesn\'t take a lot
to go wrong
with a portable stove to produce poison gas.

I have one in my head, it\'s called getting a headache.  I
don\'t
waste
money on safety shit.

That\'s for CO2, fumes, and lack of O2, not abundance of CO.

The first symptom for CO is usually getting dead.

IME its  a splitting headache and drowsiness.

One can be asleep and stay that way. CO detectors do save lives.

The detectors themselves aren\'t very reliable, in they they
tend to
false-alarm before their rated lifetime. Mine seem to last about 5
years. I think the operation is based on irrevsible chemical
reactions
that can be poisoned by other things.

I think that you are correct.  Modern CO and smoke detectors are
required to brick themselves when a specified time in service is
exceeded, to force replacement.

Joe Gwinn

The ones with a primary lithium battery and 10 year rated lifetimes
are great, but they don\'t seem to last for 10 years.

So far, I have not had this happen.  I write the service date on the
bottom of the unit before installation, so I\'d know.

Wow, OCD or what?

Please don\'t tell me you\'re as bad as one of my relatives who
writes the
date she replaced the battery in a clock.

I do.

Why?  So you don\'t waste 20 cents on a new battery?

To know if that battery is better than others,

Just read reviews.  Alkaline is alkaline.  NiMH and LiIon, shoddy
workmanship galore - Panasonic 100% of what it says on the tin.  Samsung
80%.  Any Chinese shit like Trustfire or anything with the word fire in
it, 20%.  I\'ve tested all these by charging and discharging through a
torch.  Best to weigh the battery, when you get ripped off, they\'re much
lighter!

or to know if the clock
is going bad. And because I like to do it.

The clock is bad when it fails to keep time.

When you\'re old, a slow clock is your friend .

 

[Ricky]

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 7:35:33 PM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:42:53 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 13:27:53 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 11/12/2022 10:41 AM, Ed Lee wrote:

Except emergency rooms. I overheard couple of homeless saying. Let\'s pretend to be sick and go to the emergency room. Nice free room and board for couple of days. Very expensive homeless shelter.

They must not have been in an emergency department, lately, if they
think they\'ll get anything like a hotel experience. Maybe you haven\'t
seen the inside of one lately, either..

Parked on a gurney in a hallway for two or three days is what you can
expect if you\'re sick enough to be admitted but not critically ill, much
less a \"room\", even at many suburban hospitals these days.

You\'d likely get better sleep on a quiet park bench.

I had a very nice visit to the ER at SF General, where the people were
great. I got three CT scans until they were happy with the images. I
have them around here somewhere. I traveled a lot back and forth for
the imaging and didn\'t see any gurneys parked in hallways.

Then I got a beautiful private room with a view for two days. Not bad
for a medicaire patient in a public hospital.

Zuckerberg\'s wife is an MD at SF General, so he bought the hospital
for her. It\'s the only major-trauma center in town.
Is there some medical reason for requiring a private room? I think not. The hospitals need to go back to using large wards. If someone has a problem with that, they can go somewhere else. The hospital can increase their capacity 4x, which just might explain the private room allowance.

You are a funny guy. You should take your act on the road!

LOL

--

Rick C.

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[Ricky]

In case anyone wants to discuss the topic of the thread, it seems Nevada did not flip for the Republican Senatorial candidate. They have declared the Democrat candidate the winner, so the Dims have at least 50 votes in the Senate and the Republicans become irrelevant.

Now, if Georgia can find their way to reason, the Dims won\'t have to worry about renegades making life tough in the Senate.

--

Rick C.

+-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+-+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 11:48:08 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 2:40:35 AM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 6:05:57 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 10:01:08 PM UTC-8, John Robertson wrote:
On 2022/11/11 5:43 p.m., Ed Lee wrote:
On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 1:40:20 PM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
On 11/11/2022 1:18 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 12:46:07 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 11/10/2022 11:46 PM, Ricky wrote:

<snip>

Nothing is more expensive than something advertised as \"free.\"

Doesn\'t apply to US health care which is roughly half again more expensive per head than that offered in other advanced industrial countries, while delivering a roughly five years poorer expectation of life.
Care to explain what kind of miracle health care system is responsible for life expectancy? All you\'re talking about, but too dumb to realize, is the inhabitants of these other places adhere to less unhealthy lifestyles. Medicine cannot reverse a lifetime of self-destructive unhealthy behavior.

With the exception of possibly Germany, U.S. has the best health care system in the world.

If you\'ve got health insurance. The US life expectancy figures suggest that a lot of people don\'t.

https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/

The US is at 46th, Germany is at 27th, Australia is at eight..

As John Robertson says, nobody advertises universal health care as free.. It\'s paid for with a tax - in my case a 2% levy on my income - but you don\'t get denied care because you can\'t afford it.

No one is denied health care in U.S.

Of a sort. Some people do seem to be getting fobbed off with remarkably inadequate health care.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 7:14:27 PM UTC-5, Ricky wrote:

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 7:35:33 PM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:42:53 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 13:27:53 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 11/12/2022 10:41 AM, Ed Lee wrote:

Except emergency rooms. I overheard couple of homeless saying. Let\'s pretend to be sick and go to the emergency room. Nice free room and board for couple of days. Very expensive homeless shelter.

They must not have been in an emergency department, lately, if they
think they\'ll get anything like a hotel experience. Maybe you haven\'t
seen the inside of one lately, either..

Parked on a gurney in a hallway for two or three days is what you can
expect if you\'re sick enough to be admitted but not critically ill, much
less a \"room\", even at many suburban hospitals these days.

You\'d likely get better sleep on a quiet park bench.

I had a very nice visit to the ER at SF General, where the people were
great. I got three CT scans until they were happy with the images. I
have them around here somewhere. I traveled a lot back and forth for
the imaging and didn\'t see any gurneys parked in hallways.

Then I got a beautiful private room with a view for two days. Not bad
for a medicaire patient in a public hospital.

Zuckerberg\'s wife is an MD at SF General, so he bought the hospital
for her. It\'s the only major-trauma center in town.
Is there some medical reason for requiring a private room? I think not. The hospitals need to go back to using large wards. If someone has a problem with that, they can go somewhere else. The hospital can increase their capacity 4x, which just might explain the private room allowance.
You are a funny guy. You should take your act on the road!

LOL

It\'s in poor taste to laugh at your own jokes.

There\'s a negligible decease in HAIs ( hospitable acquired infections ) but a 30% increased chance of getting infected if the previous tenant had MRSA..

Rick C.

+-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 14:29:34 -0000, Peter <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:

On 11/16/2022 9:08 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 00:49:59 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-14 22:56, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:49:38 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-14 02:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 20:17:51 -0000, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 09:08:56 -0800, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 11:56:12 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 07:59:43 -0800, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 15:24:49 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/11/2022 15:02, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 12:42:26 +0100, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-11 12:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:58:57 -0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 09/11/2022 12:08, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I don\'t have house heating. I heat a room at a time using a
butane
stove.

Carlos, I hope you have a CO detector? It doesn\'t take a lot
to go wrong
with a portable stove to produce poison gas.

I have one in my head, it\'s called getting a headache. I
don\'t
waste
money on safety shit.

That\'s for CO2, fumes, and lack of O2, not abundance of CO.

The first symptom for CO is usually getting dead.

IME its a splitting headache and drowsiness.

One can be asleep and stay that way. CO detectors do save lives.

The detectors themselves aren\'t very reliable, in they they
tend to
false-alarm before their rated lifetime. Mine seem to last about 5
years. I think the operation is based on irrevsible chemical
reactions
that can be poisoned by other things.

I think that you are correct. Modern CO and smoke detectors are
required to brick themselves when a specified time in service is
exceeded, to force replacement.

Joe Gwinn

The ones with a primary lithium battery and 10 year rated lifetimes
are great, but they don\'t seem to last for 10 years.

So far, I have not had this happen. I write the service date on the
bottom of the unit before installation, so I\'d know.

Wow, OCD or what?

Please don\'t tell me you\'re as bad as one of my relatives who
writes the
date she replaced the battery in a clock.

I do.

Why? So you don\'t waste 20 cents on a new battery?

To know if that battery is better than others,

Just read reviews. Alkaline is alkaline. NiMH and LiIon, shoddy
workmanship galore - Panasonic 100% of what it says on the tin. Samsung
80%. Any Chinese shit like Trustfire or anything with the word fire in
it, 20%. I\'ve tested all these by charging and discharging through a
torch. Best to weigh the battery, when you get ripped off, they\'re much
lighter!

or to know if the clock
is going bad. And because I like to do it.

The clock is bad when it fails to keep time.

When you\'re old, a slow clock is your friend .

Clocks are for the government to keep everyone doing things correctly and on time. I find it easier to do things when you want to. Sometimes I\'ll go to bed in the afternoon and get up in the middle of the night.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 7:17:50 PM UTC-5, Ricky wrote:

In case anyone wants to discuss the topic of the thread, it seems Nevada did not flip for the Republican Senatorial candidate. They have declared the Democrat candidate the winner, so the Dims have at least 50 votes in the Senate and the Republicans become irrelevant.

Now, if Georgia can find their way to reason, the Dims won\'t have to worry about renegades making life tough in the Senate.

The GOP will eject Trump. It\'s turned into a menagerie of freaks:
https://nypost.com/2022/11/11/trump-voters-are-done-with-ex-president-he-needs-to-disappear/

--

Rick C.

+-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 11:48:08 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 2:40:35 AM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 6:05:57 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 10:01:08 PM UTC-8, John Robertson wrote:
On 2022/11/11 5:43 p.m., Ed Lee wrote:
On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 1:40:20 PM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
On 11/11/2022 1:18 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 12:46:07 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 11/10/2022 11:46 PM, Ricky wrote:

<snip>

Please educate us which party wants universal free healthcare and free education (loan forgiveness). We will have >$1T deficit as far as we can see.

I don\'t think there is anything like free health care in any developed country - here in Canada it is part of our taxes like other government services such as roads, police, education...you know, the essentials for a sane society.

Nothing is more expensive than something advertised as \"free.\"

Doesn\'t apply to US health care which is roughly half again more expensive per head than that offered in other advanced industrial countries, while delivering a roughly five years poorer expectation of life.

Care to explain what kind of miracle health care system is responsible for life expectancy?

The health care system is only responsible for making sick people live a little longer, and counselling people in how not to get sick by avoiding unhealthy life styles.

If the people don\'t last too well, the health system isn\'t working as well as it should.

> All you\'re talking about, but too dumb to realize, is the inhabitants of these other places adhere to less unhealthy lifestyles. Medicine cannot reverse a lifetime of self-destructive unhealthy behavior.

But they can discourage that self-destructive unhealthy behaviour, ideally when the patients are young enough that they haven\'t got far into self-destruction.

The US health system s remarkably ineffective at that, as you can see fro the number Americans who are oveweight.

> With the exception of possibly Germany, U.S. has the best health care system in the world.

https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/

puts Germany at 27th, and the US at 46th. Australia is at number eight. Do test us the basis of your criterion.

As John Robertson says, nobody advertises universal health care as free.. It\'s paid for with a tax - in my case a 2% levy on my income - but you don\'t getdenied care because you can\'t afford it.

No one is denied health care in U.S.

Very few places will treat you if you haven\'t health insurance. and the quality of the care you get can be dubious.

Naomi Klein has talked about having had a car accident in New Orleans when covering Hurricane Katrina and having got brilliant treatment in an empty private hospital,when the less well-off locals were getting inadequate health care in emergency accommodation.

https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/50896/411348-Hospitals-in-Hurricane-Katrina.PDF

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[a a]

11:36a
Elon Musk tells Twitter employees to put in ‘long hours at high intensity’ or take severance
11:36a
Twist Bioscience shares slide 20% after short seller compares synthetic DNA provider to Theranos, calling it a ‘cash-burning inferno’

 

[Ed Lee]

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 8:46:31 AM UTC-8, a a wrote:

11:36a
Elon Musk tells Twitter employees to put in ‘long hours at high intensity’ or take severance

His accountants tried to stop him from getting this tax shelter. However, he threatened to fire them. He said, quoting another famous preacher: I know better than those generals, scientists and accountants. I need to shelter my taxes.

His accountants explain: you excised you stock options at much lower price but higher market price. You sell you stocks at lower market price. Tax law says you have losses, not gains. You don\'t need another $44B tax shelter.

He said: i have other business to steal (sorry, to have tax advantages) from the Gov. One more word and you are fired.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 8:53:37 AM UTC-8, Ed Lee wrote:

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 8:46:31 AM UTC-8, a a wrote:
11:36a
Elon Musk tells Twitter employees to put in ‘long hours at high intensity’ or take severance
His accountants tried to stop him from getting this tax shelter. However, he threatened to fire them. He said, quoting another famous preacher: I know better than those generals, scientists and accountants. I need to shelter my taxes.

His accountants explain: you excised you stock options at much lower price but higher market price. You sell you stocks at lower market price. Tax law says you have losses, not gains. You don\'t need another $44B tax shelter..

He said: i have other business to steal (sorry, to have tax advantages) from the Gov. One more word and you are fired.

PS: my proposed Twitter account has been suspended.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 20:17:51 -0000, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 09:08:56 -0800, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 11:56:12 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 07:59:43 -0800, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 15:24:49 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/11/2022 15:02, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 12:42:26 +0100, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-11 12:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:58:57 -0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 09/11/2022 12:08, Carlos E.R. wrote:
I don\'t have house heating. I heat a room at a time using a butane
stove.

Carlos, I hope you have a CO detector? It doesn\'t take a lot to go wrong
with a portable stove to produce poison gas.

I have one in my head, it\'s called getting a headache. I don\'t waste
money on safety shit.

That\'s for CO2, fumes, and lack of O2, not abundance of CO.

The first symptom for CO is usually getting dead.

IME its a splitting headache and drowsiness.

One can be asleep and stay that way. CO detectors do save lives.

The detectors themselves aren\'t very reliable, in they they tend to
false-alarm before their rated lifetime. Mine seem to last about 5
years. I think the operation is based on irrevsible chemical reactions
that can be poisoned by other things.

I think that you are correct. Modern CO and smoke detectors are
required to brick themselves when a specified time in service is
exceeded, to force replacement.

Joe Gwinn

The ones with a primary lithium battery and 10 year rated lifetimes
are great, but they don\'t seem to last for 10 years.

So far, I have not had this happen. I write the service date on the
bottom of the unit before installation, so I\'d know.

Wow, OCD or what?

Please don\'t tell me you\'re as bad as one of my relatives who writes the date she replaced the battery in a clock.

Actually, I don\'t know exactly how the time in service is expired is
determined - maybe it counts from manufacture. Although I do recall
needing to pull a plastic tab to start or something. Been too long,
don\'t recall.

 

[Peeler]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 13:00:07 -0800, John Larkin, another mentally deficient,
troll-feeding, senile ASSHOLE, blathered:


> I\'ve done it by accident.

You ARE an accident, you troll-feeding useless senile pest!

 

[boB]

On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 13:17:44 -0800 (PST), RichD
<r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote:

The Big Plan for renewables is photovoltaics, charging
batteries, activated at night. The potential market for
batteries is enormous.

But why have I seen no one developing flywheels, for
the same residential mass market? Is there some
inherent deficiency?

These guys have been doing that for a while now.
Not sure how well they have done lately though...

https://beaconpower.com/


boB

 

[Ed Lee]

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 5:54:54 AM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 11:48:08 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 2:40:35 AM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 6:05:57 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 10:01:08 PM UTC-8, John Robertson wrote:
On 2022/11/11 5:43 p.m., Ed Lee wrote:
On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 1:40:20 PM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
On 11/11/2022 1:18 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2022 12:46:07 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 11/10/2022 11:46 PM, Ricky wrote:
snip
Please educate us which party wants universal free healthcare and free education (loan forgiveness). We will have >$1T deficit as far as we can see.

I don\'t think there is anything like free health care in any developed country - here in Canada it is part of our taxes like other government services such as roads, police, education...you know, the essentials for a sane society.

Nothing is more expensive than something advertised as \"free.\"

Doesn\'t apply to US health care which is roughly half again more expensive per head than that offered in other advanced industrial countries, while delivering a roughly five years poorer expectation of life.

Care to explain what kind of miracle health care system is responsible for life expectancy?
The health care system is only responsible for making sick people live a little longer, and counselling people in how not to get sick by avoiding unhealthy life styles.

If the people don\'t last too well, the health system isn\'t working as well as it should.
All you\'re talking about, but too dumb to realize, is the inhabitants of these other places adhere to less unhealthy lifestyles. Medicine cannot reverse a lifetime of self-destructive unhealthy behavior.
But they can discourage that self-destructive unhealthy behaviour, ideally when the patients are young enough that they haven\'t got far into self-destruction.

The US health system s remarkably ineffective at that, as you can see fro the number Americans who are oveweight.
With the exception of possibly Germany, U.S. has the best health care system in the world.
https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/

puts Germany at 27th, and the US at 46th. Australia is at number eight. Do test us the basis of your criterion.
As John Robertson says, nobody advertises universal health care as free. It\'s paid for with a tax - in my case a 2% levy on my income - but you don\'t getdenied care because you can\'t afford it.

No one is denied health care in U.S.
Very few places will treat you if you haven\'t health insurance. and the quality of the care you get can be dubious.

Except emergency rooms. I overheard couple of homeless saying. Let\'s pretend to be sick and go to the emergency room. Nice free room and board for couple of days. Very expensive homeless shelter.

Regarding free higher education, it should be debated, passed and funded by congress, not just executive order.

Free stuffs are nice, but how are we going to pay for them.

 

[Ricky]

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 8:45:22 PM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 7:17:50 PM UTC-5, Ricky wrote:
In case anyone wants to discuss the topic of the thread, it seems Nevada did not flip for the Republican Senatorial candidate. They have declared the Democrat candidate the winner, so the Dims have at least 50 votes in the Senate and the Republicans become irrelevant.

Now, if Georgia can find their way to reason, the Dims won\'t have to worry about renegades making life tough in the Senate.
The GOP will eject Trump. It\'s turned into a menagerie of freaks:
https://nypost.com/2022/11/11/trump-voters-are-done-with-ex-president-he-needs-to-disappear/

How did Rump get into this conversation?

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[bitrex]

On 11/13/2022 7:17 PM, Ricky wrote:

In case anyone wants to discuss the topic of the thread, it seems Nevada did not flip for the Republican Senatorial candidate. They have declared the Democrat candidate the winner, so the Dims have at least 50 votes in the Senate and the Republicans become irrelevant.

Now, if Georgia can find their way to reason, the Dims won\'t have to worry about renegades making life tough in the Senate.

The good news about elections is that whoever wins, they get a bunch of
dangerous people off the streets and into Congress for two to six year
sentences

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 1:05:46 AM UTC-5, Ricky wrote:

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 8:45:22 PM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 7:17:50 PM UTC-5, Ricky wrote:
In case anyone wants to discuss the topic of the thread, it seems Nevada did not flip for the Republican Senatorial candidate. They have declared the Democrat candidate the winner, so the Dims have at least 50 votes in the Senate and the Republicans become irrelevant.

Now, if Georgia can find their way to reason, the Dims won\'t have to worry about renegades making life tough in the Senate.
The GOP will eject Trump. It\'s turned into a menagerie of freaks:
https://nypost.com/2022/11/11/trump-voters-are-done-with-ex-president-he-needs-to-disappear/
How did Rump get into this conversation?

Republicans are blaming every single one their losses on him, so that\'s how he\'s pertinent to the \"conversation.\"

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[Fred Bloggs]

On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 1:52:28 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:

On 11/13/2022 7:17 PM, Ricky wrote:
In case anyone wants to discuss the topic of the thread, it seems Nevada did not flip for the Republican Senatorial candidate. They have declared the Democrat candidate the winner, so the Dims have at least 50 votes in the Senate and the Republicans become irrelevant.

Now, if Georgia can find their way to reason, the Dims won\'t have to worry about renegades making life tough in the Senate.

The good news about elections is that whoever wins, they get a bunch of
dangerous people off the streets and into Congress for two to six year
sentences

You\'re going to have to come up with better material than that if you expect to make the late night talk show circuit...