Claim That Covid-19 Came From Lab In China Completely Unfoun

On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 07:35:01 +0100, Tom Gardner
<spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 21/04/20 17:27, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 07:57:16 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 10:40:29 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 21/04/20 15:14, Ricky C wrote:
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 5:27:02 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 21/04/20 06:03, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 11:34:44 AM UTC+10, dagmarg...@yahoo.com
wrote:
On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 7:31:55 PM UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:
On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 5:43:01 PM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com
wrote:

What makes you think that when people come out of lockdown,
however long, that they won't get sick (same as without a
lockdown)?

They will if we exit the lock down too soon. If we wait until the
current case numbers are low enough we will be able to do the things
we weren't able to do in January and February and March... testing,
contact tracking and testing. Oh yeah, with MORE testing. Then we
do impose literal quarantine on anyone in contact with anyone
infected. Do it with the force of law, no exceptions.

That doesn't work. The virus will still be there, and most people
carrying it won't even know they have it.

James Arthur doesn't understand contact tracing. If you've been in
contact with somebody who was infectious (even if they didn't know it)
you get told to self isolate for 14 days after the contact.

Just so.

In the UK there is legislation that can compel people to isolate
themselves, but I haven't heard of it being used (yet). I wonder if it is
actually practical legislation.


"Flattening the curve" in China meant that they ended up with 4,632
deaths, and nobody seems to be dying of Covid-19 there any more.

Yet.

The IC study and previous flu epidemics have had multiple peaks, months
apart.

Do you understand the difference between a disease that is allowed to roam
the earth freely and one that is tracked and hunted down and killed???

China and South Korea have both reduced the number of infected to adequately
low numbers that they can reopen their businesses at least to some extent.
Once the virus is eliminated it can't come back other than from the outside.
They take adequate measures to assure the disease is not allowed to return
without being hunted down immediately.


Your big unproven assumption is that is can be completely "hunted
down and killed" or "eliminated". I, and the WHO amongst others,
don't believe that.

Without that, there /will/ be several waves of peaks, months apart.

Right -- you're absolutely right. There's no way to hunt down something
lying hidden in the overwhelming majority of people harboring it. It's
everywhere, and like kudzu, privet, fire ants, and killer bees, it's not
going away. The genii's out of the bottle.

But seasonal colds and flu do go away. This one is almost gone from a
lot of countries.

That's "gone" in the way that plague is gone from the US (it
is actually endemic in the SW). Given the right conditions,
both will reappear.

C19 will burn out, and its descendents will hit us in the future. Some
day we may understand this ongoing dance between viruses and people.

The difference between covid and is that the plague is more
easily treatable (antibiotics, fatality rate 11%), it is less
transmissable in modern societies, and the conditions are
unlikely to reoccur.


And yes of course there will be a resurgence when people start
circulating again -- it's unavoidable. So we manage it. Look for
vaccines. Test treatments. And we get back to work.

I'm at work!

I walked into the road without looking!

(which is unlikely to be a problem with the 1960s-level of
traffic around here)

The freeways here are blasting along at 65 MPH. I can get to work in 7
minutes. I can jay walk across Potrero Avenue because there are hardly
any cars.

But I can see the traffic building up every day, even as the lockdown
ratchets up. I'll have to resume driving back streets to work soon.




--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 9:13:34 PM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 07:35:01 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 21/04/20 17:27, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 07:57:16 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 10:40:29 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 21/04/20 15:14, Ricky C wrote:
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 5:27:02 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 21/04/20 06:03, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 11:34:44 AM UTC+10, dagmarg...@yahoo.com
wrote:
On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 7:31:55 PM UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:
On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 5:43:01 PM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com
wrote:

<snip>

That's "gone" in the way that plague is gone from the US (it
is actually endemic in the SW). Given the right conditions,
both will reappear.

C19 will burn out, and its descendants will hit us in the future.

It won't burn out. It might infect enough people to produce herd immunity in the surviving population. The change isn't in the virus, but in us.

> Some day we may understand this ongoing dance between viruses and people.

Most of us do. You clearly don't and seem to be incapable of learning.

<snip>

The freeways here are blasting along at 65 MPH. I can get to work in 7
minutes. I can jay walk across Potrero Avenue because there are hardly
any cars.

But I can see the traffic building up every day, even as the lockdown
ratchets up. I'll have to resume driving back streets to work soon.

Unless one of those mythical asymptomatic Covid-19 carriers gets him first.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 9:20:03 PM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:07:50 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 10:28:28 PM UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 10:09:28 PM UTC-4, keith wright wrote:
On Tuesday, 21 April 2020 17:55:14 UTC-7, John Doe wrote:

<snip>

John asks perfectly reasonable questions that, for some reason,
a few people aren't able to understand or process. Whooooosh.

James Arthur does lie a lot. Staying friends with John Larkin means flattering him a lot, but that was a bit over the top.

I ask a lot of perfectly unreasonable questions too. That's the way to
discover things.

Actually John asks lot of remarkably stupid questions, and seems to need to discover things that better educated people learned about much earlier in their careers.

Most people, especially here, are hostile to ideas. They shoot down
concepts instead of playing with them.

Original concepts are interesting. The congenitally ignorant do seem to spend a lot of time rediscovering the wheel, and expect to be congratulated on their ingenuity when they reveal their invention.

Concept: viruses are a component of horizontal evolution. They hurt
individuals but help species, so we tolerate some.

We don't have any choice in the matter. Viruses have found a way of propagating themselves, and we haven't found any easy way of getting rid of them completely. Vaccination does work - for some viruses - but it took a long time to get rid of smallpox, and polio is still hanging on.

I find him delightful, articulate, thoughtful, easy to understand,
and usually right.

And remarkably susceptible to flattery.

Asking questions can be an attempt to get people to think things
out, rather than just telling them something. If someone considers
a question and formulates answers in his own mind, then perhaps
he'll see the thing whole, and understand it entirely.

But the communications can fail if the two minds attempting lack
sufficient commonalities.

Or if one of them doesn't think all that well.

> It's hard to brainstorm, super hard in a public forum.

Harder still if you haven't got much brain to brain-storm with, and don't know enough to avoid re-inventing the wheel.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:r7oh27$qco$3@dont-
email.me:
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Top posting total Usenet utter retard. Get a clue, DoeTard.

snipped wrongly quoted material.

 

[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 4:20:03 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Most people, especially here, are hostile to ideas. They shoot down
concepts instead of playing with them.

Scientists are better at shooting down ideas than John Larkin will ever
be. This is a *.sci forum, so the professionals post their thoughts occasionally.

Concept: viruses are a component of horizontal evolution. They hurt
individuals but help species, so we tolerate some.

A theory has virtues, among which are richness. What does that theory give us?
It's just a mashup of unrelated words. 'A component' is as meaningless as
the alchemical 'element' label. Horizontal? What is the horizon, apart from
a visual-field phenomenon and how is it related to evoution? Is this
use of the word 'evolution' related to... any particular time-related change?

One doesn't 'play with' theories, they're working parts of serious thought. The
defective working parts cannot be allowed to sabotage the works, so let's get
them out to the dumpster. Play with THAT idea, if you want to do something
useful. Horizontal! Why not Paisley?

 

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 6:28:20 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 22:45:55 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 10:07:56 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 17:27:14 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 12:27:44 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 07:57:16 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 10:40:29 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:

Your big unproven assumption is that is can be completely "hunted
down and killed" or "eliminated". I, and the WHO amongst others,
don't believe that.

Without that, there /will/ be several waves of peaks, months apart.

Right -- you're absolutely right. There's no way to hunt down something
lying hidden in the overwhelming majority of people harboring it. It's
everywhere, and like kudzu, privet, fire ants, and killer bees, it's not
going away. The genii's out of the bottle.

But seasonal colds and flu do go away. This one is almost gone from a
lot of countries.

I don't think that's correct. Prevalence falls dramatically
out-of-season, but AIUI they persist in the population (people
still get flu mid-summer, just not as often) and resurge when
conditions favor (promote / facilitate) effective propagation.

If every cold and flu virus lingered forever, we'd all be dead. We'd
get 50 infections at a time all year.

FLU SEASONALITY
"While seasonal influenza (flu) viruses are detected year-round in the United States, flu viruses are most common during the fall and winter."
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season.htm

I wonder why we don't.

a) Sub-optimal propagation conditions, seasonal, reduce exposures
b) We develop immunity?

Sure we develop immunity, or at least some immunity. Just enough to
allow a background level of essentially continuous (seasonally
modulated) viral attack. Why are we so friendly to viruses?

Same as Great White shark attacks -- it's our fault, for being so
delicious.

Cheers,
James

 

whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in
news:885390de-111a-4b76-a74d-d1032ead24b8@googlegroups.com:

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 4:13:34 AM UTC-7,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

C19 will burn out, and its descendents will hit us in the future.
Some day we may understand this ongoing dance between viruses and
people.

Some brush fires 'burn out', COVID-19 isn't going to (or it would
have lapsed while it was still in bats).
We understood the important parts of this infection last year.
John Larkin is in denial.

Maybe he also thinks that firefighters should go out and "rake the
forest".

 

[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 4:13:34 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

C19 will burn out, and its descendents will hit us in the future. Some
day we may understand this ongoing dance between viruses and people.

Some brush fires 'burn out', COVID-19 isn't going to (or it would have
lapsed while it was still in bats).
We understood the important parts of this infection last year. John Larkin
is in denial.

 

[Ricky C]

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 4:03:08 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:

On 21/04/2020 15:40, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 21/04/20 15:14, Ricky C wrote:
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 5:27:02 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 21/04/20 06:03, Bill Sloman wrote:

"Flattening the curve" in China meant that they ended up with 4,632
deaths, and nobody seems to be dying of Covid-19 there any more.

Yet.

The IC study and previous flu epidemics have had multiple peaks, months
apart.

Do you understand the difference between a disease that is allowed to
roam
the earth freely and one that is tracked and hunted down and killed???

The cat is already so far out of the bag that the only way we will ever
eliminate it now is if an effective vaccine can be made against it.

That has worked for smallpox and almost for polio.

Even *with* a vaccine we may still struggle to obtain full coverage
thanks to the the anti-vaxxer movement and the conspiracy theory nutters
who are torching mobile phone masts. I expect other fringe groups too.

So I guess China has not eliminated the disease from Wuhan?

I'm tired of hearing that the disease can't be eliminated without a vaccine.. It can be eliminated from any given area you have the will to lock down. Then you maintain strict protocols to prevent reinfection and use strict contact tracing/quarantining to deal with any reinfections that get past.

The disease took off around the globe because we did nearly nothing to prevent that... literally next to nothing. By the time the US enacted travel restrictions (one of the first) the virus was already spreading here. We couldn't track the virus because we didn't have adequate testing. That can be prevented now if we get back to such low levels of infection which is a matter of will, not technology.

China and South Korea have both reduced the number of infected to
adequately
low numbers that they can reopen their businesses at least to some
extent.
Once the virus is eliminated it can't come back other than from the
outside.
They take adequate measures  to assure the disease is not allowed to
return
without being hunted down immediately.

Their lockdown was much more draconian than the UK or USA. I'm not sure
any western population would tolerate the measures they used in China.

"Tolerate"... it makes me laugh. We are a nation without the will to fight a disease. That makes me want to cry.

Your big unproven assumption is that is can be completely "hunted
down and killed" or "eliminated". I, and the WHO amongst others,
don't believe that.

That there is now a resurgence in Japan where for a very long time it
seemed to be well under control does not bode well for removing the
lockdown safely without having an uncontrolled resurgence of Covid.

It is basically just too good at evading containment measures when such
a high proportion of the population can be unwitting carriers.

We don't have good data on that.

Singapore is also going haywire with Covid infections in the underclass
of overcrowded migrant labourers they employ to do their dirty work.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/17/singapores-cramped-migrant-worker-dorms-hide-covid-19-surge-risk

I'm not sure what this is about. Singapore is a poster child for exponential growth. They have never had anything like control over this infection. Doesn't really matter what details are producing this. Yet another country without the will to do what is required to get this disease under control..

Without that, there /will/ be several waves of peaks, months apart.

To be fair the Imperial paper did anticipate that possibility and
assumed bang bang imposition of relaxing and then lockdowns to prevent
the disease swamping the health system. The odd thing was that they also
dropped all measures at the end and had a sharper higher spike result.
(perhaps due to timing at the start of winter - November is the start of
flu season and the code has its roots in flu epidemic modelling)

You don't need winter and there is no way to factor it in since we have no real information on why winter is a factor in spreading flu and colds.

As Larkin says, models are whatever you want them to be. They may or may not model reality.

It needs to be Night of the Living Dead where we take any new infection very seriously and deal with it. But that takes will and we seem to have a significant lack of that.

China seems to have done very well with it though. Down to around 10 new cases a day in a country of 1.4 billion, <0.001 ppm.

If they can do it, any country can. It just takes the will.

--

Rick C.

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[Ricky C]

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 7:13:34 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 07:35:01 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 21/04/20 17:27, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 07:57:16 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 10:40:29 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 21/04/20 15:14, Ricky C wrote:
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 5:27:02 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 21/04/20 06:03, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 11:34:44 AM UTC+10, dagmarg...@yahoo.com
wrote:
On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 7:31:55 PM UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:
On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 5:43:01 PM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com
wrote:

What makes you think that when people come out of lockdown,
however long, that they won't get sick (same as without a
lockdown)?

They will if we exit the lock down too soon. If we wait until the
current case numbers are low enough we will be able to do the things
we weren't able to do in January and February and March... testing,
contact tracking and testing. Oh yeah, with MORE testing. Then we
do impose literal quarantine on anyone in contact with anyone
infected. Do it with the force of law, no exceptions.

That doesn't work. The virus will still be there, and most people
carrying it won't even know they have it.

James Arthur doesn't understand contact tracing. If you've been in
contact with somebody who was infectious (even if they didn't know it)
you get told to self isolate for 14 days after the contact.

Just so.

In the UK there is legislation that can compel people to isolate
themselves, but I haven't heard of it being used (yet). I wonder if it is
actually practical legislation.


"Flattening the curve" in China meant that they ended up with 4,632
deaths, and nobody seems to be dying of Covid-19 there any more.

Yet.

The IC study and previous flu epidemics have had multiple peaks, months
apart.

Do you understand the difference between a disease that is allowed to roam
the earth freely and one that is tracked and hunted down and killed???

China and South Korea have both reduced the number of infected to adequately
low numbers that they can reopen their businesses at least to some extent.
Once the virus is eliminated it can't come back other than from the outside.
They take adequate measures to assure the disease is not allowed to return
without being hunted down immediately.


Your big unproven assumption is that is can be completely "hunted
down and killed" or "eliminated". I, and the WHO amongst others,
don't believe that.

Without that, there /will/ be several waves of peaks, months apart.

Right -- you're absolutely right. There's no way to hunt down something
lying hidden in the overwhelming majority of people harboring it. It's
everywhere, and like kudzu, privet, fire ants, and killer bees, it's not
going away. The genii's out of the bottle.

But seasonal colds and flu do go away. This one is almost gone from a
lot of countries.

That's "gone" in the way that plague is gone from the US (it
is actually endemic in the SW). Given the right conditions,
both will reappear.


C19 will burn out, and its descendents will hit us in the future. Some
day we may understand this ongoing dance between viruses and people.



The difference between covid and is that the plague is more
easily treatable (antibiotics, fatality rate 11%), it is less
transmissable in modern societies, and the conditions are
unlikely to reoccur.


And yes of course there will be a resurgence when people start
circulating again -- it's unavoidable. So we manage it. Look for
vaccines. Test treatments. And we get back to work.

I'm at work!

I walked into the road without looking!

(which is unlikely to be a problem with the 1960s-level of
traffic around here)

The freeways here are blasting along at 65 MPH. I can get to work in 7
minutes. I can jay walk across Potrero Avenue because there are hardly
any cars.

But I can see the traffic building up every day, even as the lockdown
ratchets up. I'll have to resume driving back streets to work soon.

You've said that before. So far this is your only prediction and it has been wrong for a week or so.

Any other predictions other than that the virus will "burn" itself out... which will take a lot of time with a lot of deaths and injury and be completely masked by our efforts to contain the virus?

--

Rick C.

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[Ricky C]

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 12:49:02 PM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

But I accept there's a small possibility that I'm wrong.

Surely it's a first for this group of ne'er' do wells. I'm impressed.

The problem with the idea of denying the virus a food source is that too many people seem to be happy to keep feeding the virus. I'm ok with that too, but they just aren't very effective at doing it. Instead of just walking around a large group they need to hold hands and form groups with hands on shoulders. Sing, dance, get lively. It's not hard to do, even with an AK-47 slung over your shoulder.

After seeing those images of one of the protests I keep wondering what the purpose of the guns were. What were they expecting to happen??? Did they think someone wearing a face mask was going to show up with a gun to take them all out?

That's the sort of apparent paranoia that makes me concerned about people displaying such weapons. Instead of being worried about catching a potentially fatal disease in the crowd, they seem more worried about something they can only defend themselves from with semi-automatic weapon fire.

--

Rick C.

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[John Larkin]

On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 09:40:05 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 4:20:03 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Most people, especially here, are hostile to ideas. They shoot down
concepts instead of playing with them.

Scientists are better at shooting down ideas than John Larkin will ever
be. This is a *.sci forum, so the professionals post their thoughts occasionally.

Concept: viruses are a component of horizontal evolution. They hurt
individuals but help species, so we tolerate some.

A theory has virtues, among which are richness. What does that theory give us?
It's just a mashup of unrelated words. 'A component' is as meaningless as
the alchemical 'element' label. Horizontal? What is the horizon, apart from
a visual-field phenomenon and how is it related to evoution? Is this
use of the word 'evolution' related to... any particular time-related change?

One doesn't 'play with' theories, they're working parts of serious thought. The
defective working parts cannot be allowed to sabotage the works, so let's get
them out to the dumpster. Play with THAT idea, if you want to do something
useful. Horizontal! Why not Paisley?

Whenever you are challenged to think, you switch to insults. I suppose
insults are your prime skill set. It sure ain't electronics or system
dynamics.

Stop being snarky and google horizontal evolution

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 12:26:04 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 4:13:34 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

C19 will burn out, and its descendents will hit us in the future. Some
day we may understand this ongoing dance between viruses and people.

Some brush fires 'burn out', COVID-19 isn't going to (or it would have
lapsed while it was still in bats).
We understood the important parts of this infection last year. John Larkin
is in denial.

Working hypothesis <> denial.

John thinks it'll burn out eventually. Rick thinks it'll vanish if we
hide. I'm sure that it won't burn out. I expect it'll persist in the population cloaked, like manifold other pestilences. But I accept
there's a small possibility that I'm wrong.

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in
news:e5b744cf-2d74-46c9-ae12-34367f531c9a@googlegroups.com:

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 4:20:03 AM UTC-7,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Most people, especially here, are hostile to ideas. They shoot
down concepts instead of playing with them.

Scientists are better at shooting down ideas than John Larkin will
ever be. This is a *.sci forum, so the professionals post their
thoughts occasionally.

Invoking monchromatic cartoon images of Larkin on an Elementary
school playground with a slingshot

Concept: viruses are a component of horizontal evolution. They
hurt individuals but help species, so we tolerate some.

A theory has virtues, among which are richness. What does that
theory give us? It's just a mashup of unrelated words. 'A
component' is as meaningless as the alchemical 'element' label.
Horizontal? What is the horizon, apart from a visual-field
phenomenon and how is it related to evoution? Is this use of
the word 'evolution' related to... any particular time-related
change?

It teaches managers to not touch prototypes...

<https://dilbert.com/strip/2003-07-02>

One doesn't 'play with' theories, they're working parts of serious
thought. The defective working parts cannot be allowed to
sabotage the works, so let's get them out to the dumpster. Play
with THAT idea, if you want to do something useful. Horizontal!
Why not Paisley?

Paisley is cool! Very fractal-esque, dude!

 

[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 10:31:41 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 09:40:05 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 4:20:03 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Most people, especially here, are hostile to ideas. They shoot down
concepts instead of playing with them.

Scientists are better at shooting down ideas than John Larkin will ever
be. This is a *.sci forum, so the professionals post their thoughts occasionally.

Whenever you are challenged to think, you switch to insults. I suppose
insults are your prime skill set. It sure ain't electronics or system
dynamics.

Nonsense. Shooting down ideas is a professional skill of scientists, and
doing so is criticism, which is a form of professional assistance. Accept it
and say 'thank you', and don't fantasize about nonexistent insults.

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 14:27:41 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 10:31:41 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 09:40:05 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 4:20:03 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Most people, especially here, are hostile to ideas. They shoot down
concepts instead of playing with them.

Scientists are better at shooting down ideas than John Larkin will ever
be. This is a *.sci forum, so the professionals post their thoughts occasionally.

Whenever you are challenged to think, you switch to insults. I suppose
insults are your prime skill set. It sure ain't electronics or system
dynamics.

Nonsense. Shooting down ideas is a professional skill of scientists, and
doing so is criticism, which is a form of professional assistance. Accept it
and say 'thank you', and don't fantasize about nonexistent insults.

Good grief, most of your posts are frank insults. And you never
discuss, especially on topic.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[George Herold]

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 5:27:47 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 10:31:41 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 09:40:05 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 4:20:03 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Most people, especially here, are hostile to ideas. They shoot down
concepts instead of playing with them.

Scientists are better at shooting down ideas than John Larkin will ever
be. This is a *.sci forum, so the professionals post their thoughts occasionally.

Whenever you are challenged to think, you switch to insults. I suppose
insults are your prime skill set. It sure ain't electronics or system
dynamics.

Nonsense. Shooting down ideas is a professional skill of scientists, and
doing so is criticism, which is a form of professional assistance. Accept it
and say 'thank you', and don't fantasize about nonexistent insults.

whit3rd, you seem like a smart guy. Smarter than me anyway.
Why are you so hostile to JL? Playing with ideas is much more
fun than shooting them down. Shooting down crazy ideas is easy.

George H.

 

[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 3:23:49 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 14:27:41 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

Nonsense. Shooting down ideas is a professional skill of scientists, and
doing so is criticism, which is a form of professional assistance. Accept it
and say 'thank you', and don't fantasize about nonexistent insults.

Good grief, most of your posts are frank insults. And you never
discuss, especially on topic.

Untrue; when you suggested doing a 1000-person random sample
looking for antibodies, I gave a numeric analysis of its expected signal and noise.
Totally on topic discussion, no insults.

I certainly DID insult you, at least once, after you causeless claims got to be irritating.
It was fun, I'll repeat it some day.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 8:23:49 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 14:27:41 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 10:31:41 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 09:40:05 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 4:20:03 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Most people, especially here, are hostile to ideas. They shoot down
concepts instead of playing with them.

Scientists are better at shooting down ideas than John Larkin will ever
be. This is a *.sci forum, so the professionals post their thoughts occasionally.

Whenever you are challenged to think, you switch to insults. I suppose
insults are your prime skill set. It sure ain't electronics or system
dynamics.

Nonsense. Shooting down ideas is a professional skill of scientists, and
doing so is criticism, which is a form of professional assistance. Accept it
and say 'thank you', and don't fantasize about nonexistent insults.

Good grief, most of your posts are frank insults. And you never
discuss, especially on topic.

John Larkin does seem to need a steady diet of flattery. He does seem to experience anything less than that as "frank insults".

Presumably John Larkin finds that Whit3rd's on-topic discussions are too flattery-free to hold his attention. The claim that Whit3rd doesn't do on-topic discussions - when he's one of the more reliable sources of on-topic discussion here - would otherwise be totally bizarre.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 8:17:39 AM UTC+10, George Herold wrote:

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 5:27:47 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 10:31:41 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 09:40:05 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 4:20:03 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Most people, especially here, are hostile to ideas. They shoot down
concepts instead of playing with them.

Scientists are better at shooting down ideas than John Larkin will ever
be. This is a *.sci forum, so the professionals post their thoughts occasionally.

Whenever you are challenged to think, you switch to insults. I suppose
insults are your prime skill set. It sure ain't electronics or system
dynamics.

Nonsense. Shooting down ideas is a professional skill of scientists, and
doing so is criticism, which is a form of professional assistance. Accept it and say 'thank you', and don't fantasize about nonexistent insults.

whit3rd, you seem like a smart guy. Smarter than me anyway.
Why are you so hostile to JL? Playing with ideas is much more
fun than shooting them down. Shooting down crazy ideas is easy.

John Larkin wants to be flattered, and doesn't know much. His crazy ideas are mostly well known - and not all that original - crazy ideas, and he gets hurt (and frequently nasty) when he's told that he should have done his homework before he posted them, rather than getting the admiration that he clearly feels he deserves.

That kind of behaviour does eventually provoke hostile responses. I gave John the benefit of the doubt for years, but the bad behaviour persisted and accumulated, to the point where it didn't seem appropriate to continue to tolerate it.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney