Circuit minimization

[John S. Dyson]

In article <40a9b1ef$0$179$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
"Frank Bemelman" <f.bemelmanx@planet.invalid.nl> writes:

"John Dyson" <dyson@iquest.net> schreef in bericht
news:c8c57q$1hvj$1@news.iquest.net...

[snip]

you. It would be good if you could adhere to reasonable etiquette
by keeping political discussions on apparently political subjects and
threads.

The master of 'Etiquette' speaks, and changes the folluw-up to
alt.flame, well, I am not impressed.

Note that alt.flame is more appropriate, considering Hijacking a

thread about 'Circuit Minimization' by fields. Proper etiquette
is that incorrect discussions should be followed-up to proper
newsgroups. Note that the original subject wasn't consistant
with John Fields rant, and his rant was better directed towards
a group that is full of rants.

John

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <c8cmha023ls@drn.newsguy.com>,
Winfield Hill <Winfield_member@newsguy.com> writes:

John Fields wrote...

John S. Dyson wrote:

John, what is your G*d D*mn*d problem? Can't you forget about
your hate? Are you so consumed by hatred (especially about
the proof about John Kerry's lies or war crimes) that you cannot
control yourself? That was obviously your hot button, and it
appears that you have invested too much into the
creepy John Kerry-Heinz...

---
Hey, asshole pussy,

I don't have to abridge what I want to say by hiding behind a bunch of
pretentious abbreviations like cocksuckers like you obviously have to.

I can write "God Damned problem" without having to pussy out and suck
the censors' dicks like you think you have to in order to come up with
and be allowed to post garbage like "G*d D*mn*d problem", so take your
dopey analyses (note the "anal" part of it) and stuff them up your ..s

Hey, John, now that you've been labeled by the resident <ahem
centrist <cough> sicko, as a Kerry supporter <snicker>, and a
leftie <snort>, how about making a campaign contribution?

Remember, it was Kerry who admitted to be a war criminal, but more

likely he was telling lies in testimony.

Think about pathetic, brain washed idiots who could possibly follow
such an admitted war criminal like John Friggen Kerry-Heinz. Perhaps
Winfield Hill, it is definitely better to be a draft dodger rather
than a war criminal? Think about your own experience where you didn't
unnecessarily destroy non-combatant's homes, unlike Kerry... When
you support such a war criminal like John F. Kerry, you end up supporting
his heinous behavior after the fact.


John

 

[John Fields]

On Tue, 18 May 2004 18:48:39 +0000 (UTC), toor@iquest.net (John S.
Dyson) wrote:

In article <40a9b1ef$0$179$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
"Frank Bemelman" <f.bemelmanx@planet.invalid.nl> writes:
"John Dyson" <dyson@iquest.net> schreef in bericht
news:c8c57q$1hvj$1@news.iquest.net...

[snip]

you. It would be good if you could adhere to reasonable etiquette
by keeping political discussions on apparently political subjects and
threads.

The master of 'Etiquette' speaks, and changes the folluw-up to
alt.flame, well, I am not impressed.

Note that alt.flame is more appropriate, considering Hijacking a
thread about 'Circuit Minimization' by fields. Proper etiquette
is that incorrect discussions should be followed-up to proper
newsgroups. Note that the original subject wasn't consistant
with John Fields rant, and his rant was better directed towards
a group that is full of rants.

---
Blah, blah, blah...

You're a transparent son of a bitch, Dyson, and not too smart either.

All you're trying to do is get someone to come to your rescue, and you
figure that by crossposting to alt.flame you'll get some of the folks
over there to come over here and jump on my case, which will make you
feel better since there's not a goddam thing you can do about my
raking you over the coals any time I want to, you pathetic piece of
shit.

--
John Fields

 

[R. Steve Walz]

John S. Dyson wrote:

In article <c8cmha023ls@drn.newsguy.com>,
Winfield Hill <Winfield_member@newsguy.com> writes:
John Fields wrote...

John S. Dyson wrote:

John, what is your G*d D*mn*d problem? Can't you forget about
your hate? Are you so consumed by hatred (especially about
the proof about John Kerry's lies or war crimes) that you cannot
control yourself? That was obviously your hot button, and it
appears that you have invested too much into the
creepy John Kerry-Heinz...

---
Hey, asshole pussy,

I don't have to abridge what I want to say by hiding behind a bunch of
pretentious abbreviations like cocksuckers like you obviously have to.

I can write "God Damned problem" without having to pussy out and suck
the censors' dicks like you think you have to in order to come up with
and be allowed to post garbage like "G*d D*mn*d problem", so take your
dopey analyses (note the "anal" part of it) and stuff them up your ..s

Hey, John, now that you've been labeled by the resident <ahem
centrist <cough> sicko, as a Kerry supporter <snicker>, and a
leftie <snort>, how about making a campaign contribution?

Remember, it was Kerry who admitted to be a war criminal, but more
likely he was telling lies in testimony.

Think about pathetic, brain washed idiots who could possibly follow
such an admitted war criminal like John Friggen Kerry-Heinz.
--------------

More ridiculous delusional lies.

Perhaps
Winfield Hill, it is definitely better to be a draft dodger rather
than a war criminal?
----------------

If that were the choice it certainly would be. We hanged Nazi's
who used the excuse of following orders.

But it's better to be right, than you.

Think about your own experience where you didn't
unnecessarily destroy non-combatant's homes, unlike Kerry...
--------------------

In Vietnam there were no non-combatants, village people would walk
all night carrying munitions. ARVN would go home at night and don
black pajamas and raid US units.

When
you support such a war criminal like John F. Kerry, you end up supporting
his heinous behavior after the fact.
John
----------------------

More of your ridiculous lies.

-Steve
--
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[R. Steve Walz]

James Meyer wrote:

My grandmother is 87 years old. Two years ago she started running three
miles a day. Now we don't know where the hell she is.

Jim "straight line" Meyer
-----------------------------

A girl was going on a date and her grandmother told her:

"Dear, don't let him kiss you or
you'll disgrace your family.

And also don't let him take off your
clothes or you'll disgrace your family.

And don't let him rub his body against
you or you'll disgrace your family."

When she returned her grandmother asked:
"Did you disgrace your family?"

She said: "Oh no grandma, instead,
*I* did all those things TO *HIM*
so that HE disgraced HIS family!!!

-Steve

--
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Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <40AA7F2C.2F1C@armory.com>,
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> writes:

John S. Dyson wrote:

In article <c8cmha023ls@drn.newsguy.com>,
Winfield Hill <Winfield_member@newsguy.com> writes:
John Fields wrote...

John S. Dyson wrote:

John, what is your G*d D*mn*d problem? Can't you forget about
your hate? Are you so consumed by hatred (especially about
the proof about John Kerry's lies or war crimes) that you cannot
control yourself? That was obviously your hot button, and it
appears that you have invested too much into the
creepy John Kerry-Heinz...

---
Hey, asshole pussy,

I don't have to abridge what I want to say by hiding behind a bunch of
pretentious abbreviations like cocksuckers like you obviously have to.

I can write "God Damned problem" without having to pussy out and suck
the censors' dicks like you think you have to in order to come up with
and be allowed to post garbage like "G*d D*mn*d problem", so take your
dopey analyses (note the "anal" part of it) and stuff them up your ..s

Hey, John, now that you've been labeled by the resident <ahem
centrist <cough> sicko, as a Kerry supporter <snicker>, and a
leftie <snort>, how about making a campaign contribution?

Remember, it was Kerry who admitted to be a war criminal, but more
likely he was telling lies in testimony.

Think about pathetic, brain washed idiots who could possibly follow
such an admitted war criminal like John Friggen Kerry-Heinz.
--------------
More ridiculous delusional lies.

Refer to this quote from John Friggen Kerry as provided

by Rolavine -- remember, if you support the admitted war
criminal John F. Kerry, then so be it. This might mean
that you are complicit in supporting his behavior, but that
wouldn't suprise me.

John F. Kerry:
"There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I
committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have
committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted
harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were
granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took
part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages."


John

 

[R. Steve Walz]

John S. Dyson wrote:

In article <40AA7F2C.2F1C@armory.com>,
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> writes:
John S. Dyson wrote:

In article <c8cmha023ls@drn.newsguy.com>,
Winfield Hill <Winfield_member@newsguy.com> writes:
John Fields wrote...

John S. Dyson wrote:

John, what is your G*d D*mn*d problem? Can't you forget about
your hate? Are you so consumed by hatred (especially about
the proof about John Kerry's lies or war crimes) that you cannot
control yourself? That was obviously your hot button, and it
appears that you have invested too much into the
creepy John Kerry-Heinz...

---
Hey, asshole pussy,

I don't have to abridge what I want to say by hiding behind a bunch of
pretentious abbreviations like cocksuckers like you obviously have to.

I can write "God Damned problem" without having to pussy out and suck
the censors' dicks like you think you have to in order to come up with
and be allowed to post garbage like "G*d D*mn*d problem", so take your
dopey analyses (note the "anal" part of it) and stuff them up your ..s

Hey, John, now that you've been labeled by the resident <ahem
centrist <cough> sicko, as a Kerry supporter <snicker>, and a
leftie <snort>, how about making a campaign contribution?

Remember, it was Kerry who admitted to be a war criminal, but more
likely he was telling lies in testimony.

Think about pathetic, brain washed idiots who could possibly follow
such an admitted war criminal like John Friggen Kerry-Heinz.
--------------
More ridiculous delusional lies.

Refer to this quote from John Friggen Kerry as provided
by Rolavine -- remember, if you support the admitted war
criminal John F. Kerry, then so be it. This might mean
that you are complicit in supporting his behavior, but that
wouldn't suprise me.
---------------------------

He simply meant that the entire nature of the Vietnam war was in and
of itself a kind of an atrocity. Obeying orders when everyone is
obeying orders makes you no more personally a war criminal than the
other million US soldiers who did the same to save their lives.

Perhaps the nation who ordered them to can be blamed, but not those
individuals, because the variances from common rules of war for
self-defense when you are a helpless conscript subject to a national
guerilla enemy violating all rules of war is simply not a personal
crime, even if it is a collective national crime that the USA
committed collectively.

Your assertion that Kerry is some specific "war criminal" is nothing
but a partisan lie by such a dildo as yourself who is desperate to
support the GOP political party which was actually the key reason the
Vietnam war took place and continued for decades. The Military
Industrial Complex is profoundly Republican!!

John F. Kerry:
"There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I
committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have
committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted
harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were
granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took
part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages."
John
--------------------

The US Army had to do that. In Vietnam a village was effectively an
enemy encampment because the entire civilian population was organized
against the USA, as was revealed only later by the Vietnamese people's
own historical accounts. Both sides totally obviated all laws of war.

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[Frank Bemelman]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> schreef in bericht
news:l6ska0l18im0v47vdhgh43q4359inhmo9f@4ax.com...

On Tue, 18 May 2004 18:48:39 +0000 (UTC), toor@iquest.net (John S.
Dyson) wrote:

In article <40a9b1ef$0$179$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
"Frank Bemelman" <f.bemelmanx@planet.invalid.nl> writes:
"John Dyson" <dyson@iquest.net> schreef in bericht
news:c8c57q$1hvj$1@news.iquest.net...

[snip]

you. It would be good if you could adhere to reasonable etiquette
by keeping political discussions on apparently political subjects and
threads.

The master of 'Etiquette' speaks, and changes the folluw-up to
alt.flame, well, I am not impressed.

Note that alt.flame is more appropriate, considering Hijacking a
thread about 'Circuit Minimization' by fields. Proper etiquette
is that incorrect discussions should be followed-up to proper
newsgroups. Note that the original subject wasn't consistant
with John Fields rant, and his rant was better directed towards
a group that is full of rants.

---
Blah, blah, blah...

You're a transparent son of a bitch, Dyson, and not too smart either.

All you're trying to do is get someone to come to your rescue, and you
figure that by crossposting to alt.flame you'll get some of the folks
over there to come over here and jump on my case, which will make you
feel better since there's not a goddam thing you can do about my
raking you over the coals any time I want to, you pathetic piece of
shit.

He wasn't crossposting to alt.flame, just added that group and removed
SEB and SED. All responses would go to alt.flame, not showing up here,
if I hadn't restored the groups to SEB and SED.

What he did is a very unethical method to (try to) shut someone up, since
he didn't mention that he f'upped to alt.flame, which would have been
the proper thing to do. Then it would have been a kind invitation to
take it all to alt.flame and continue there, as is "let's continue the
fight outside". Dyson can't be trusted.

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'x' and 'invalid' when replying by email)

 

[John Fields]

On Wed, 19 May 2004 09:29:26 +0200, "Frank Bemelman"
<f.bemelmanx@planet.invalid.nl> wrote:

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> schreef in bericht
news:l6ska0l18im0v47vdhgh43q4359inhmo9f@4ax.com...

Blah, blah, blah...

You're a transparent son of a bitch, Dyson, and not too smart either.

All you're trying to do is get someone to come to your rescue, and you
figure that by crossposting to alt.flame you'll get some of the folks
over there to come over here and jump on my case, which will make you
feel better since there's not a goddam thing you can do about my
raking you over the coals any time I want to, you pathetic piece of
shit.

He wasn't crossposting to alt.flame, just added that group and removed
SEB and SED. All responses would go to alt.flame, not showing up here,
if I hadn't restored the groups to SEB and SED.

---
I get it!
---

What he did is a very unethical method to (try to) shut someone up, since
he didn't mention that he f'upped to alt.flame, which would have been
the proper thing to do. Then it would have been a kind invitation to
take it all to alt.flame and continue there, as is "let's continue the
fight outside". Dyson can't be trusted.

---
I agree. Thanks, Frank

--
John Fields

 

[John Larkin]

On 18 May 2004 02:54:50 -0700, Winfield Hill
<Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote:

John Fields wrote...

John S. Dyson wrote:

John, what is your G*d D*mn*d problem? Can't you forget about
your hate? Are you so consumed by hatred (especially about
the proof about John Kerry's lies or war crimes) that you cannot
control yourself? That was obviously your hot button, and it
appears that you have invested too much into the
creepy John Kerry-Heinz...

---
Hey, asshole pussy,

I don't have to abridge what I want to say by hiding behind a bunch of
pretentious abbreviations like cocksuckers like you obviously have to.

I can write "God Damned problem" without having to pussy out and suck
the censors' dicks like you think you have to in order to come up with
and be allowed to post garbage like "G*d D*mn*d problem", so take your
dopey analyses (note the "anal" part of it) and stuff them up your ..s

Hey, John, now that you've been labeled by the resident <ahem
centrist <cough> sicko, as a Kerry supporter <snicker>, and a
leftie <snort>, how about making a campaign contribution? <ha
hah hahahakhbs^@$^!> [ok, hahah, breath deeply, haha, calm down,
snork] Here, get some good sense. http://www.johnkerry.com/
With nuts and weirdo's like John S. Dyson arrayed against him,
John Kerry is looking better and better all the time.

Thanks,
- Win

(email: use hill_at_rowland-dot-org for now)

Good Lord, are you guys still going at it? How droll.

John

 

[R. Steve Walz]

John Larkin wrote:

On 18 May 2004 02:54:50 -0700, Winfield Hill
Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote:

John Fields wrote...

John S. Dyson wrote:

John, what is your G*d D*mn*d problem? Can't you forget about
your hate? Are you so consumed by hatred (especially about
the proof about John Kerry's lies or war crimes) that you cannot
control yourself? That was obviously your hot button, and it
appears that you have invested too much into the
creepy John Kerry-Heinz...

---
Hey, asshole pussy,

I don't have to abridge what I want to say by hiding behind a bunch of
pretentious abbreviations like cocksuckers like you obviously have to.

I can write "God Damned problem" without having to pussy out and suck
the censors' dicks like you think you have to in order to come up with
and be allowed to post garbage like "G*d D*mn*d problem", so take your
dopey analyses (note the "anal" part of it) and stuff them up your ..s

Hey, John, now that you've been labeled by the resident <ahem
centrist <cough> sicko, as a Kerry supporter <snicker>, and a
leftie <snort>, how about making a campaign contribution? <ha
hah hahahakhbs^@$^!> [ok, hahah, breath deeply, haha, calm down,
snork] Here, get some good sense. http://www.johnkerry.com/
With nuts and weirdo's like John S. Dyson arrayed against him,
John Kerry is looking better and better all the time.

Thanks,
- Win

(email: use hill_at_rowland-dot-org for now)

Good Lord, are you guys still going at it? How droll.

John
-------------

Ahem, John, that's NOT what droll means.

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 20 May 2004 02:20:39 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

On 18 May 2004 02:54:50 -0700, Winfield Hill
Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote:

John Fields wrote...

John S. Dyson wrote:

John, what is your G*d D*mn*d problem? Can't you forget about
your hate? Are you so consumed by hatred (especially about
the proof about John Kerry's lies or war crimes) that you cannot
control yourself? That was obviously your hot button, and it
appears that you have invested too much into the
creepy John Kerry-Heinz...

---
Hey, asshole pussy,

I don't have to abridge what I want to say by hiding behind a bunch of
pretentious abbreviations like cocksuckers like you obviously have to.

I can write "God Damned problem" without having to pussy out and suck
the censors' dicks like you think you have to in order to come up with
and be allowed to post garbage like "G*d D*mn*d problem", so take your
dopey analyses (note the "anal" part of it) and stuff them up your ..s

Hey, John, now that you've been labeled by the resident <ahem
centrist <cough> sicko, as a Kerry supporter <snicker>, and a
leftie <snort>, how about making a campaign contribution? <ha
hah hahahakhbs^@$^!> [ok, hahah, breath deeply, haha, calm down,
snork] Here, get some good sense. http://www.johnkerry.com/
With nuts and weirdo's like John S. Dyson arrayed against him,
John Kerry is looking better and better all the time.

Thanks,
- Win

(email: use hill_at_rowland-dot-org for now)

Good Lord, are you guys still going at it? How droll.

John
-------------
Ahem, John, that's NOT what droll means.

-Steve

In the sense of "odd."

John

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <40ab0c53$0$176$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
"Frank Bemelman" <f.bemelmanx@planet.invalid.nl> writes:

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> schreef in bericht
news:l6ska0l18im0v47vdhgh43q4359inhmo9f@4ax.com...
On Tue, 18 May 2004 18:48:39 +0000 (UTC), toor@iquest.net (John S.
Dyson) wrote:

In article <40a9b1ef$0$179$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
"Frank Bemelman" <f.bemelmanx@planet.invalid.nl> writes:
"John Dyson" <dyson@iquest.net> schreef in bericht
news:c8c57q$1hvj$1@news.iquest.net...

[snip]

you. It would be good if you could adhere to reasonable etiquette
by keeping political discussions on apparently political subjects and
threads.

The master of 'Etiquette' speaks, and changes the folluw-up to
alt.flame, well, I am not impressed.

Note that alt.flame is more appropriate, considering Hijacking a
thread about 'Circuit Minimization' by fields. Proper etiquette
is that incorrect discussions should be followed-up to proper
newsgroups. Note that the original subject wasn't consistant
with John Fields rant, and his rant was better directed towards
a group that is full of rants.

---
Blah, blah, blah...

You're a transparent son of a bitch, Dyson, and not too smart either.

All you're trying to do is get someone to come to your rescue, and you
figure that by crossposting to alt.flame you'll get some of the folks
over there to come over here and jump on my case, which will make you
feel better since there's not a goddam thing you can do about my
raking you over the coals any time I want to, you pathetic piece of
shit.

He wasn't crossposting to alt.flame, just added that group and removed
SEB and SED. All responses would go to alt.flame, not showing up here,
if I hadn't restored the groups to SEB and SED.

These discussions aren't really appropriate to any kind of electronics

groups. Any time there is an attempt to move them to a noise group,
then the whiners complain. Howeve, followups appropate place again.

John

 

[R. Steve Walz]

John S. Dyson wrote:

In article <40ab0c53$0$176$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
"Frank Bemelman" <f.bemelmanx@planet.invalid.nl> writes:
"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> schreef in bericht
news:l6ska0l18im0v47vdhgh43q4359inhmo9f@4ax.com...
On Tue, 18 May 2004 18:48:39 +0000 (UTC), toor@iquest.net (John S.
Dyson) wrote:

In article <40a9b1ef$0$179$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
"Frank Bemelman" <f.bemelmanx@planet.invalid.nl> writes:
"John Dyson" <dyson@iquest.net> schreef in bericht
news:c8c57q$1hvj$1@news.iquest.net...

[snip]

you. It would be good if you could adhere to reasonable etiquette
by keeping political discussions on apparently political subjects and
threads.

The master of 'Etiquette' speaks, and changes the folluw-up to
alt.flame, well, I am not impressed.

Note that alt.flame is more appropriate, considering Hijacking a
thread about 'Circuit Minimization' by fields. Proper etiquette
is that incorrect discussions should be followed-up to proper
newsgroups. Note that the original subject wasn't consistant
with John Fields rant, and his rant was better directed towards
a group that is full of rants.

---
Blah, blah, blah...

You're a transparent son of a bitch, Dyson, and not too smart either.

All you're trying to do is get someone to come to your rescue, and you
figure that by crossposting to alt.flame you'll get some of the folks
over there to come over here and jump on my case, which will make you
feel better since there's not a goddam thing you can do about my
raking you over the coals any time I want to, you pathetic piece of
shit.

He wasn't crossposting to alt.flame, just added that group and removed
SEB and SED. All responses would go to alt.flame, not showing up here,
if I hadn't restored the groups to SEB and SED.

These discussions aren't really appropriate to any kind of electronics
groups. Any time there is an attempt to move them to a noise group,
then the whiners complain. Howeve, followups appropate place again.

John
----------------

Speak your fucking piece of shit here and quit'cher whining.
You'll make a fucking fool of yourself all the quicker.

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[Frank Bemelman]

"John S. Dyson" <toor@iquest.net> schreef in bericht
news:c8jea0$itl$6@news.iquest.net...

In article <40ab0c53$0$176$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
"Frank Bemelman" <f.bemelmanx@planet.invalid.nl> writes:
"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> schreef in bericht
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On Tue, 18 May 2004 18:48:39 +0000 (UTC), toor@iquest.net (John S.
Dyson) wrote:

In article <40a9b1ef$0$179$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
"Frank Bemelman" <f.bemelmanx@planet.invalid.nl> writes:
"John Dyson" <dyson@iquest.net> schreef in bericht
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[snip]

you. It would be good if you could adhere to reasonable etiquette
by keeping political discussions on apparently political subjects
and
threads.

The master of 'Etiquette' speaks, and changes the folluw-up to
alt.flame, well, I am not impressed.

Note that alt.flame is more appropriate, considering Hijacking a
thread about 'Circuit Minimization' by fields. Proper etiquette
is that incorrect discussions should be followed-up to proper
newsgroups. Note that the original subject wasn't consistant
with John Fields rant, and his rant was better directed towards
a group that is full of rants.

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Blah, blah, blah...

You're a transparent son of a bitch, Dyson, and not too smart either.

All you're trying to do is get someone to come to your rescue, and you
figure that by crossposting to alt.flame you'll get some of the folks
over there to come over here and jump on my case, which will make you
feel better since there's not a goddam thing you can do about my
raking you over the coals any time I want to, you pathetic piece of
shit.

He wasn't crossposting to alt.flame, just added that group and removed
SEB and SED. All responses would go to alt.flame, not showing up here,
if I hadn't restored the groups to SEB and SED.

These discussions aren't really appropriate to any kind of electronics
groups. Any time there is an attempt to move them to a noise group,
then the whiners complain. Howeve, followups appropate place again.

Why did you snip this:

"What he did is a very unethical method to (try to) shut someone up, since
he didn't mention that he f'upped to alt.flame, which would have been
the proper thing to do. Then it would have been a kind invitation to
take it all to alt.flame and continue there, as is "let's continue the
fight outside". Dyson can't be trusted.""

As I said, an attempt to move it is okay, as long as you make clear
in your post that you are doing so.

Followup to alt.flame!

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'x' and 'invalid' when replying by email)

 

[Terry Given]

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Anyway, the need for redesign did cause a dust-up at work, but
we really needed to produce a reliable design. The RC and
gate threshold delay was so unstable, that even our lab versions
of the DRAM board needed to be 'readjusted' periodically. I
couldn't convince the original engineer that such 'readjustments'
would be even worse in the field. I even tried to offer him
the opportunity for owning the fix, but somehow his ego got
involved OR he wanted to see some kind of failure?!??!

He was probably wondering, "What's this guy wanting to set me
up for?"

The design was so darned incompetent (looking at hindsight) that I
was actually worried
when we were considering it for production. I mean, can you actually
imagine using the delay (needing perhaps 10-20% accuracy) based
upon a CMOS input threshold and
an RC delay (partially constructed from the input capacitance), and
the design has to work from below -10C to approx 45C!!! Spotting
the problem is a no-brainer, and I had very positively cooperated with
making things work correctly (ego-less development.) The problem
is that he had let his ego become involved in an errant design. The
delay had to be accurate within a few nanoseconds (I forget exactly
how much, but perhaps +-20ns.) Doing the delay with a clocked
scheme might have been feasable, but I would have had to do a more
careful analysis due to the async nature of the clock. The analog
delay line made the design a little less fragile because of the
effectively
infinite resolution of the delay (instead of being quantized.) If
production volumes would have been at the 10K-100K level, I probably
would have redesigned the board for more cost effective components,
but at the 100-1K quantity level for the first versions, the delay line
was initially satisfactory.

Note that my 'solution' was also suboptimal WRT the production cost,
and parts availability, but I didn't have time to solve the problem
correctly
and guarantee a production worthy design given my time constraints.
It isn't helpful to let egos get involved in engineering decisions. This
seems to be a too-common flaw with engineers (who sometimes develop
an artistic temperment.) Perhaps that isn't really just a flaw of
engineers,
but might just be human nature?!?!?

John

Hi John,
this is a problem that never ends. I got into a shitfight on thursday with a
twit who took exception to my pointing out his design had a -ve noise
margin - Vohmin of chip1 = 2.4V, Vihmin of chip2 = 3.15V. He powered chip 2
(Vihmin = 0.7Vcc) with a diode from a s/w controlled supply, which can be
set from 3.9 to 5V. He literally was screaming that I was wrong (clearly I
am not - RTFDS), and his entire argument was based on the fact that Vcc is
"usually" 3.9V, so its all fine and dandy. Best not to think about what
happens when Vcc is set to 5V (I took into account a 50C temperature rise,
and its effect on diode Vf)......chip 1 is a cpld which drives 27 x chip2
thru a series terminator, at 16MHz. Admittedly Voh = 2.4V is bloody low for
a cmos chip (Ioh=-4mA), but 3.15V is pretty optimistic Voh at this load -
Vohmin is specd at 0.9*3.3V = 3.0V at Ioh = -0.5mA, still giving a negative
noise margin....

Fortunately my manager is a smart guy, and understands the concept of
worst-case design. He quickly realised this fools entire argument is 3.0 >
3.15, ie shite. I especially liked the bit where he screamed that I am a
liar, and the data sheet for chip2 says Vihmin = 0.5Vdd, which of course it
did not. His face went purple when I produced the datasheet and proved him
wrong. Its pretty clear his 0.5Vdd is a "remembered" CMOS threshold.

This guy is typical of many "hackers" I have had the misfortune of working
with - no mathematical skills, unable to even spell "statistics" let alone
understand them, and a propensity to create circuits that need twiddling
from unit-to-unit. His favourite phrase is "99% of the time...." Anyone with
manufacturing experience knows Murphy ensures that 1% gets you every time.
And boy, does he take it personally when his "designs" are changed. A heroic
effort was required on my part not to abuse him, beat him and impale his
severed head on a stake outside my office as a warning to others.

To make matters worse, his immediate boss is a newcomer (and alas not a
circuit designer), and no-one ever mentioned to him that this guy cant
design circuits to save himself - every single circuit he has ever designed
has failed (in the field, for those that made it that far). He's very good
with firmware (at least when he fucks it up we can fix it without a
soldering iron, and his bug rate is actually quite low) but he is firmly
convinced hes a circuit designer. I quit about a year ago, and became a
contractor (moved to a lifestyle farm, only work 2 weeks a month cos it pays
the bills and im a lazy sod), at which point this pillock started inflicting
his "designs" on the company via the un-initiated newbie boss. Having
finished all my current tasks, I am now fixing the field failures he has
caused. After a lengthy discussion with examples, the newbie boss (whom I
used to work with a few years back, and who knows I am not a complete idiot)
has learned his lesson.

I think he gets frustrated that we have built around 10,000 of my 60W planar
SMPS without a single field failure or design fault (plenty of faulty units
in production, all due to piss-poor soldering by our former contract
manufacturer, whose yamaha smt machine with vision head was mysteriously
incapable of placing a soic8 correctly, let alone a TQFP144, but thats
another story in 2 years of operation.

I had a hilarious argument with him a while ago, when he insisted that the
inductance of a trace over a ground plane was the same even when a 40mm x
200mm hole is cut in the ground plane, and a total of 4 x 20mil tracks
"stitch" the gap (and are nowhere near the 16MHz signals flowing over the
"cut"). He didnt believe me, or Fred Terman, or Fred Grover, or Messrs Ramo,
Whinneray & Van Duzer. At this point, I pulled rank, which went down like a
cup of cold sick.

He once came up with a great idea to throw 10mbps across 20mm using a 200mm
x 50mm loop antenna (makes you wonder, if he knows about loop antennae, how
come he doesnt know that loops have inductance ?!?), and 10ns time constant
exponential current spikes of (IIRC) 100mA peak. A single block comprised 48
of these things, and a product comprises anywhere from 1 to 200 blocks. A
crude calculation showed that one of these loops, all by itself, pretty much
used our EMC budget for the entire product (which has to be CE marked). That
didnt convince him. An EMC test with 4 of these loops was about 8dB over the
limit, but that didnt convince him. Yet again I pulled rank, and his stupid
(in the context of product emc specs) idea was shitcanned.

One day when I am bored I will sit down and catalogue his list of disasters,
then attempt to ascertain what he has cost the company. I would have sacked
the fool years ago, but my boss is a caring, compassionate christian (unlike
me) who is trying to do whats best for this guy, rather than the company -
he hasnt been sacked because he is old, and emotionally fragile, and my boss
is worried he will kill himself (personally I think that will solve
everyones problems, and increase the national average IQ, but its not PC to
say so , and no-one else has worked on his CPLD/cpu firmware.

I was originally hired because his power supplies caught fire, none of the
other circuits worked properly, and we had a tight deadline to meet.
Correcting the mistakes was a fairly traumatic process (at least he admitted
he knows shit about smps, and didnt hassle me about that), but by relegating
him to firmware only, we met our deadline (although 2 years later the
firmware is still not finished, and there is only 8k of it.....), and as a
result the company revenue has grown about 40 times bigger.

cheers
Terry

 

[John Fields]

On Thu, 20 May 2004 23:17:20 +0000 (UTC), toor@iquest.net (John S.
Dyson) wrote:

These discussions aren't really appropriate to any kind of electronics
groups. Any time there is an attempt to move them to a noise group,
then the whiners complain. Howeve, followups appropate place again.

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As usual, more lies and subterfuge.

If you were at all concerned about appropriateness you would long ago
have ceased posting here and taken your crap to
alt.misguided.boneheads or something like that, since it's obvious
that you're clearly out of your element here.

As it is, you snip the groups from posts which you're too much of a
sniveling coward to confront here, replace them with alt.flame, then
snip the parts of the post you don't want to have to deal with, and
then post the altered post to alt.flame, making it look like someone
other than you posted it. ISTR something about forging headers
being... Illegal? We'll see...

And then, to top it all off, you don't even deal with the issues
_there_!

Now you're starting to show your true colors. Yellow.

Another thing I think is amusing is that while you're certainly not
adverse to posting your political condemnations here, I can't seem to
recall that you support anyone. Good thing too, if they got wind of
it I'm sure they'd disassociate themselves from you completely and
demand that you withdraw your support.

--
John Fields

 

[Richard Henry]

"Terry Given" <the_domes@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
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<long story>

I enjoy reading your articles.

I have one suggestion.

Fix your clock.

 

[Terry Given]

"Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com> wrote in message
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"Terry Given" <the_domes@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
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long story

I enjoy reading your articles.

I have one suggestion.

Fix your clock.

Thanx, I quite enjoy writing them. Whats wrong with my clock?

Cheers from Aotearoa New Zealand
Terry

 

[Richard Henry]

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"Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com> wrote in message
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"Terry Given" <the_domes@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
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long story

I enjoy reading your articles.

I have one suggestion.

Fix your clock.



Thanx, I quite enjoy writing them. Whats wrong with my clock?

I sort newsgroups by "sent" (time sent) and read the articles I am
interested in. Your articles always appear at the end of the list,
sometimes obviously out of sequence due to replies to your postings
appearing in the list above your messages. It appears the clock your
computer uses to assign the "sent" time is about 12 hours ahead of most of
the rest of the posting world.

Or maybe you like having your postings at the end of the list...