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[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

TheM wrote:

nospam@nevis.com> wrote in message news:4ae79f14$1@news.x-privat.org...
TheM wrote:
"vaughn" <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@gmail.FAKE.com> wrote in message news:hc7utq$1a1$1@news.eternal-september.org...
"Don Lancaster" <don@tinaja.com> wrote in message news:7kooa3F39fllbU1@mid.individual.net...
For net energy, a quarter per peak pv watt is needed.

Even then, it would be many years after a quarter per watt for actual breakeven, owing to all the previously lost energy.

Huh? I usually agree with Don on these things, but here he seems to be confusing energy break even with economic break even. I
a perfect world they might be comparable, but I doubt if that is true in the real world.

Vaughn
I think what he wants to say is that energy break even is many years down the road,
possibly decades. And fixing and maintaining it might kill the small net energy surplus.
And before we get to break even we might have new, much better technology.

M



Who knows, but for a $1.98 a watt it's a good deal if you want to give it a go. I know I could run my home office off a couple of
panels (laptop, printer etc.)Even having a couple would keep the lights on
in an emergency.

Especially at night.... factor in batteries and invertors and its way more
than 1.98.

Depends on the size of the PV installation.
Above 1kW and it doesn't add that much cost % wise

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
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[Michael A. Terrell]

krw wrote:

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:25:28 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


nospam@nevis.com wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
nospam@nevis.com wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
nospam@nevis.com wrote:
TheM wrote:
"vaughn" <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@gmail.FAKE.com> wrote in message news:hc7utq$1a1$1@news.eternal-september.org...
"Don Lancaster" <don@tinaja.com> wrote in message news:7kooa3F39fllbU1@mid.individual.net...
For net energy, a quarter per peak pv watt is needed.

Even then, it would be many years after a quarter per watt for actual breakeven, owing to all the previously lost energy.

Huh? I usually agree with Don on these things, but here he seems to be confusing energy break even with economic break even. I a
perfect world they might be comparable, but I doubt if that is true in the real world.

Vaughn
I think what he wants to say is that energy break even is many years down the road,
possibly decades. And fixing and maintaining it might kill the small net energy surplus.
And before we get to break even we might have new, much better technology.

M



Who knows, but for a $1.98 a watt it's a good deal if you want to give
it a go. I know I could run my home office off a couple of panels
(laptop, printer etc.)Even having a couple would keep the lights on
in an emergency.

If there is enough sun to power the lights, you don't need them.


After 4pm six months of the year, yes I do need lights.


The solar panels are worthless for that use without expensive, short
lived batteries.



Tell that to my 10 year old UPS


You think there are enough good used 10 year old lead acid batteries
for everyone who want to use solar?

All three people?

I thought there were only two cheap bastards who used old car
batteries?


--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
nospam@nevis.com wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
nospam@nevis.com wrote:
TheM wrote:
"vaughn" <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM@gmail.FAKE.com> wrote in message news:hc7utq$1a1$1@news.eternal-september.org...
"Don Lancaster" <don@tinaja.com> wrote in message news:7kooa3F39fllbU1@mid.individual.net...
For net energy, a quarter per peak pv watt is needed.

Even then, it would be many years after a quarter per watt for actual breakeven, owing to all the previously lost energy.

Huh? I usually agree with Don on these things, but here he seems to be confusing energy break even with economic break even. I a
perfect world they might be comparable, but I doubt if that is true in the real world.

Vaughn
I think what he wants to say is that energy break even is many years down the road,
possibly decades. And fixing and maintaining it might kill the small net energy surplus.
And before we get to break even we might have new, much better technology.

M



Who knows, but for a $1.98 a watt it's a good deal if you want to give
it a go. I know I could run my home office off a couple of panels
(laptop, printer etc.)Even having a couple would keep the lights on
in an emergency.

If there is enough sun to power the lights, you don't need them.


After 4pm six months of the year, yes I do need lights.


The solar panels are worthless for that use without expensive, short
lived batteries.

Cheap deep cycle batteries with a 15 year guarantee are available

What guarantee do you have that the seller will be in business next
year, let alone 15 years from now?


--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!

 

[miso@sushi.com]

On Oct 28, 9:50 am, "newslett...@gmail.com" <jd38...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Oct 28, 4:51 am, "stu" <no where just yet> wrote:

m...@sushi.com> wrote in message

Worse yet, there is plenty of nuclear waste
stored at the reactor sites that is not in any containment vessel.
They let the rods cool a bit before even considering transferring them
offsite, and we now know Yucca Mountain will not be opened.

I won't claim to have seen every nuclear site.  But of all those I
have seen, not one had spent fuel outside of the multi-layer casks
that have something like 55 tons of shielding.  Walking and working
around these storage buildings and/or "pads", my dosimeter never went
over 0.01 millirads per hour dose rate.  You'll get more exposure than
that just walking on the sidewalk beside by the granite-faced walls of
the bank downtime.

I'm not concerned about exposure as much as the spent rods would be a
terrorist target. Some rods are in pools and some are "air cooled"
IIRC.
<http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/Diablo-Canyon-Open-Air-Storage.htm>
Diablo Canyon has had a pretty good record. Of course, you know they
had to rebuild a lot of that plant due to plans being reversed in a
blue print copier. ;-)

"Sept. 27 Just as the Diablo Canyon blockade is ending a newly hired
25 year old engineer discovers that the seismic blue prints have been
reversed; "
http://www.energy-net.org/01NUKE/DIABLO1.HTM
It's a classic story because the new kid on the block finds the error
while all the seasoned professionals just follow orders.

I'm for damning up whatever we can dam, fishies be dammed, er damned.
There is a politician in California that wants to undo the Hetch
Hetchy dam and restore the valley. As if we need one more valley in
Yosemite to hike. Plus it is the water source for San Francisco and
much of the east bay. When James Watt proposed this, it was easy to
laugh off because James Watt was nuts. But John Garamendi is basically
a pretty sharp guy except for this nutty idea.

Ya know, there is probably good money to be made on the downstream
side of solar electric plants. Inverters really could be more
efficient,. Probably the biggest limitation is the magnetic core.
Maybe wire loss is next [We need power litz wire.]

 

[Michael B]

I have a completely unrelated question.

How do you get the post to go so far over without it
being chopped off to another line?

On Nov 2, 1:30 am, "EHWollmann" <arcturian...@earthlink.net> wrote:

Also remember this dumbass, there are also many of you cheapskates jumping to conclusion on anything that seems expensive to you.  I also checked your buying history, all you buy is $1 - $6 items.  You are not fit to comment on the high-end stuffs.

Do you suppose BOSCH and MotorCraft lie about their products?  I don't think so, the only people who lie about their product is GM and DELCO Remy, you dumbasses work for them.  You overrated their alternator performance, their car performance etc..

My Wind generators are based on BOSCH calculation, you put in more, you get out more.  It's as simple as that.  It is the friction of the magnetic flux that dictates the output, not the size you dummies assumed, make a note of that and remember this theory until the day you die.  Oh BTW - Your Delco Remy size is a little big unnecessarily, what you need to do is to increase the magnet wire size and quit bitching!

 

[Baron]

Michael B wrote:

I have a completely unrelated question.

How do you get the post to go so far over without it
being chopped off to another line?

On Nov 2, 1:30 am, "EHWollmann" <arcturian...@earthlink.net> wrote:

Also remember this dumbass, there are also many of you cheapskates
jumping to conclusion on anything that seems expensive to you.  I
also checked your buying history, all you buy is $1 - $6 items.  You
are not fit to comment on the high-end stuffs.

Do you suppose BOSCH and MotorCraft lie about their products?  I
don't think so, the only people who lie about their product is GM and
DELCO Remy, you dumbasses work for them.  You overrated their
alternator performance, their car performance etc..

My Wind generators are based on BOSCH calculation, you put in more,
you get out more.  It's as simple as that.  It is the friction of the
magnetic flux that dictates the output, not the size you dummies
assumed, make a note of that and remember this theory until the day
you die.  Oh BTW - Your Delco Remy size is a little big
unnecessarily, what you need to do is to increase the magnet wire
size and quit bitching!

Try turning off "auto line wrap".

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Michael B wrote:

I have a completely unrelated question.

How do you get the post to go so far over without it
being chopped off to another line?

Don't use 'Google Groups'. Use a real news server and the right
software.


--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!

 

[Fred Abse]

On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:30:04 -0800, EHWollmann wrote:

friction of the magnetic
flux

Huh?

--
"Electricity is of two kinds, positive and negative. The difference
is, I presume, that one comes a little more expensive, but is more
durable; the other is a cheaper thing, but the moths get into it."
(Stephen Leacock)

 

[Josepi]

Oh look another sock puppet to support Wayne.

Should have never mentioned browser quality. ROFLMAO

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:J4mdnUeJ1cRAt3LXnZ2dnUVZ_qVi4p2d@earthlink.com...

Michael B wrote:

I have a completely unrelated question.

How do you get the post to go so far over without it
being chopped off to another line?


Don't use 'Google Groups'. Use a real news server and the right
software.


--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Josepi wrote:

Oh look another sock puppet to support Wayne.

Should have never mentioned browser quality. ROFLMAO

What the hell are you jabbering about now?


--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!

 

[m II]

Fred Abse wrote:

On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:30:04 -0800, EHWollmann wrote:

friction of the magnetic
flux

Huh?

Mister Wollman has a long history. A few people, quite unkindly I must
say, have called him insane. I think he's merely a misunderstood Astrologer.


http://www.smbtech.com/ed/

http://home.pacbell.net/anonym/ed/whyed.html

http://www.altavista.com/web/results?itag=ody&q=ed+wollman+%2Bkook&kgs=1&kls=0



mike


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Densa InternationalŠ
For the OTHER two percent.



Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage,
I block all postings with a Gmail, Google Mail,
Google Groups or HOTMAIL address.
I also filter everything from a .cn server.


For solutions which may work for you, please check:

http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

 

[EHWollmann]

"Michael Asshole Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:J4mdnUeJ1cRAt3LXnZ2dnUVZ_qVi4p2d@earthlink.com...

Michael B wrote:

I have a completely unrelated question.

How do you get the post to go so far over without it
being chopped off to another line?


Don't use 'Google Groups'. Use a real news server and the right
software.

--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!

And the rightard isn't far from this thread!

 

[Charles]

As a leader in the world economy, we are hardly worried about crazies.

 

[spike]

EHWollmann schrieb:

Yup, you voted your drunken bastards to run America in the past 8-yrs, Bush signed into law to let the banks set their own rules, now Bank of America, Chase Manhattan moving your bail-out moneys to lend to the Chinese, to the Russian and Ukraine. Your Banks also don't mind fucking your credit line, they don't want to lend you their money, they say you're irresponsible....Yup, they're right! So your living standard will go down to the garbage level. As a matter of fact, your banks have already implemented a change to cut your line of credit, it doesn't matter how high your credit score is, they don't care. China will be the new Wild West......heeheee.......... Told you, your doomsday is not later than January 4th 2010. Your $$$$$ also will fall into $0.30 on a face value.....Heeheee...... And the 9/11 turns out to be a conspiracy theory of your bastards, Ain't that a HOOT?

Bank of America appoints new Beijing branch manager - General ...

Nov 9, 2006 ... Bank of America has appointed Li Chun Chun to the position of managing director and branch manager for its Beijing office. ...
www.financeasia.com/article.aspx?CIaNID=41760 -

Financial Institutions in Beijing
Bank of America Beijing; Citibank Beijing; Commonwealth Bank Beijing; HSBC Bank Beijing; ANZ Bank Beijing; BNP Paribas Beijing; The Standard Chartered Bank ...
global-travel.mobi/banking.php?city=Beijing -

Bank of America (Beijing Branch) - Laonei.com Review
Merchants: Bank of America (Beijing Branch), Address: Room 09, 26/F, China World Trade Center, No.1, Jianguomenwai Avenue, Chaoyang District, Beijing, ...
www.laonei.com/reviewinfo_6495.html -

Chase Manhattan Bank Opens Shanghai Branch | Article from Xinhua ...
David Rockefeller, former chairman of the board of Chase Manhattan Bank, yesterday in Beijing, calling him "an old friend" of the Chinese people. ...

Chase Manhattan Bank - Banks - Shanghai Directory | AsiaXPAT.com
Select other Cities, Bali, Bangkok, Beijing, Guangzhou, Hong Kong, Jakarta, Kuala Lumpur ... Information: Head office of Chase Manhattan Bank in Shanghai. ...
shanghai.asiaxpat.com/directory/.../chase-manhattan-bank/ -

here's how they do it...
it is a 27-page book so i didnt want to post the whole thing.
a MUST READ for people interested in power structures and money in
particular. The conspiracy people will love this, too. because some of
them were right all along...

http://rexresearch.com/articles/ocultech.htm

peace

 

[EHWollmann]

"Energy-Ingenuity" <energyingenuity@gmail.com> wrote in message news:b3bab91c-e596-4cb1-8ef8-b3511c0fccd6@m1g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...

Link on my web site www.energy-ingenuity.com to video showing control
over the push-pull part of a magnetic field.

If we do not teach others what we have learned, what good >does it do for our children, or mankind?

Wow you really think you care for your children?

Look at what you did here:

Bankrupting the country, going to ward foolishly, creating more enemies for your children, exporting jobs to overseas. That's it, you did what is contrary..

Furthere more, you tried to teach false belief in technologies and in politics.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:19:26 +0100, spike <spike@darkhippies.ch>
wrote:

EHWollmann schrieb:
Yup, you voted your drunken bastards to run America in the past 8-yrs, Bush signed into law to let the banks set their own rules,

Bill Clinton signed the bank deregulation law that killed the
Glass-Steagall Act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass%E2%80%93Steagall_Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass%E2%80%93Steagall_Act#Repeal_of_the_Act

Then Barney Frank and pals took over to give us the real estate
debacle. W is on record as warning Congress about financial
instability, but Congress wasn't interested.

John

 

[Energy-Ingenuity]

On Nov 8, 12:00 pm, "EHWollmann" <arcturian...@earthlink.net> wrote:

"Energy-Ingenuity" <energyingenu...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:b3bab91c-e596-4cb1-8ef8-b3511c0fccd6@m1g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
Link on my web sitewww.energy-ingenuity.comto video showing control
over the push-pull part of a magnetic field.
If we do not teach others  what we have learned, what good >does it do for our children, or mankind?

Wow you really think you care for your children?

Look at what you did here:

Bankrupting the country, going to ward foolishly, creating more enemies for your children, exporting jobs to overseas. That's it, you did what is contrary..

Furthere more, you tried to teach false belief in technologies and in politics.

By vote everything can be fixed. I have had nothing to do with the
list of things you are mad about. I am trying to generate jobs here
and everywhere, because I care about all children.
SteveW
www.energy-ingenuity.com

 

On Nov 8, 3:13 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:19:26 +0100, spike <sp...@darkhippies.ch
wrote:

EHWollmann schrieb:
Yup, you voted your drunken bastards to run America in the past 8-yrs, Bush signed into law to let the banks set their own rules,

Bill Clinton signed the bank deregulation law that killed the
Glass-Steagall Act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass%E2%80%93Steagall_Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass%E2%80%93Steagall_Act#Repeal_of_the...

Then Barney Frank and pals took over to give us the real estate
debacle. W is on record as warning Congress about financial
instability, but Congress wasn't interested.

John

There you go confusing them with the facts again.

G˛

 

stratus46@yahoo.com wrote:

On Nov 8, 3:13 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:19:26 +0100, spike <sp...@darkhippies.ch
wrote:

EHWollmann schrieb:
Yup, you voted your drunken bastards to run America in the past 8-yrs, Bush signed into law to let the banks set their own rules,
Bill Clinton signed the bank deregulation law that killed the
Glass-Steagall Act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass%E2%80%93Steagall_Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass%E2%80%93Steagall_Act#Repeal_of_the...

Then Barney Frank and pals took over to give us the real estate
debacle. W is on record as warning Congress about financial
instability, but Congress wasn't interested.

John

There you go confusing them with the facts again.

G˛

W gave speeches all through his presidency talking up mortgages for
people who couldn't afford it:

http://www.reuters.com/article/reutersEdge/idUSN3145813820070831
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW9viaJatpo

 

[Baron]

Lostgallifreyan wrote:

Lostgallifreyan <no-one@nowhere.net> wrote in
news:Xns9CBE6A90BD7A3zoodlewurdle@216.196.109.145:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:i72dneEn8oLL_HbXnZ2dnUVZ_oxi4p2d@earthlink.com:

Google is so screwed up anymore that it isn't funny.



I just had a momentary glimpse of how deep THAT rabbithole goes, and
it's not an edifying view!

Sponsored Links

How to Make Electricity
$200 DIY kit has electricity co's Exec calling for a ban on its sale.
www.Power4Home.com

This thing turns out to be a direct scam, credit card fraud, pure and
simple, as Google's own searches will quickly reveal. Google included
that as a sponsored link, and worse, they obscured it so the actual
link above (the URL isn't the actual link, the "How To Make
Electricity" is the link text) doesn't appear in the status bar of a
browser when the pointer hovers over it. Further, it contains so much
encrypted session-based tracking stuff, AND a payload for the script
at the scammer's end appended to their own URL buried in Google's
long link.

As far as I'm concerned, with this single move, Google just
degenerated into the role of a pimp and procurer of victims for
crime, knowing exactly what they do, so that makes them criminals
too.

I wonder who this might be reported to, to have a significant effect.
I think maybe the old blind eye won't do, now. Google wil say it
does, for a while, but given enough reports they'll soon get
clobbered enough to make them stop profiting from this degeneration.



Oh, and just to head off the chance of a bit of trolling, I clicked
the link not because I beleive in it, but because it's a source of
endless fascination to me what kinds of crap people come up with to
try to convince the public that they have some kind of magic tech.
Didn't even see it this time, just a long "but wait there's even more"
infomercial caricature. I think someone mentions a couple of solar
panels and a windmill... Whole thing makes Arthur Daley look like very
high class.

Mr Daley was a class act.
That will confuse those at the other side of the pond !

--
Best Regards:
Baron.