Chip with simple program for Toy

On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 23:56:38 -0400, Jamie
<jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:

clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 19:23:36 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@notcoldmail.com> wrote:



Richardson wrote:


"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@notcoldmail.com> wrote in message news:4A7C4B7D.C9006A01@notcoldmail.com...


Richardson wrote:


I removed alternators off many vehicles over 50 times per month. Not even
single mistake have I made. I am giving you this tip for your own benefit.
Oh by the way any one of your idiots know how to double the power off your
Alternator? Let's say it's a 150amp alt, can you double its output? The
answer is Yes you can.

No you can't.

To double the output would require 300A output.

Where you get that from Asshole? Do you realize Power Output is not measured in AMP but in WATT?

Watts are Amps multiplied by Volts. Without changing the operating voltage the only way to get more power out is to increase the current.

That's one reason trucks use 24V instead of 12V ( nominal ).

Graham

And why cars now run 12 instad of 6 volts.
Actually, the voltage was raised to save on copper, weight and space.
Yes, and the only reason 12 volts does that is because to provide the
same amount of POWER only half the CURRENT is required - therefore
lighter wires, less weight, and less space.
Which is the reason, 48 volt electrical systems in car's was once a
subject and may still happen one day.
 
On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 19:15:09 -0700, "BobW"
<nimby_GIMME_SOME_SPAM@roadrunner.com> wrote:

clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote in message
news:gqas75htj33nj5lhc14ussro1m74bc5hnk@4ax.com...

[snip]

No, power is NEVER measured in amps. Current is measured in amps.
Power is in Watts, Joules, Calories, BTUs or horsepower. (or volt-amps
or foot-lbs per unit time)



When did the Joule, calorie, and BTU become a unit of power?
Sorry, BTU,Calorie and Joules per unit time. BTU, Calorie and Joule
are units of ENERGY. (Like foot lbs)
 
On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 10:54:26 -0400, daestrom <daestrom@twcny.rr.com>
wrote:

Richardson wrote:
"PeterD" <peter2@hipson.net> wrote in message news:7ilr755v0ijpbdlrqjb2svjalo4dg186t1@4ax.com...
On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 10:44:28 -0400, daestrom <daestrom@twcny.rr.com
wrote:

PeterD wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:41:22 -0700, "Richardson" <member@newsguy.com
wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@notcoldmail.com> wrote in message news:4A7C4B7D.C9006A01@notcoldmail.com...
Richardson wrote:

I removed alternators off many vehicles over 50 times per month. Not even
single mistake have I made. I am giving you this tip for your own benefit.
Oh by the way any one of your idiots know how to double the power off your
Alternator? Let's say it's a 150amp alt, can you double its output? The
answer is Yes you can.
No you can't.

To double the output would require 300A output.
Where you get that from Asshole? Do you realize Power Output is not measured in AMP but in WATT?
When voltage is fixed (as an automotive alternator is) then power is
measured in amps, which are directly related to watts. Eeyore is 100%
right, and you're a complete spamming moron.

Much as I hate to agree with that troll, you *can* change the operating
voltage of an alternator pretty easily.
I didn't mean to imply that that was not possible, but in an
automotive environment, it is not desirable. Changing output voltage
(to a limited extent) can be as simply as implementing the external
voltage sense line found on many alternators, and sticking a diode in
series.

You don't want to do it while
it's in your car, but it's very easy when removed from your car and
driven by another prime mover.

But you still have to spin it at a couple thousand RPM, so they are
pretty difficult to use with wind turbines (a point that troll keeps
missing).

daestrom



It's easy to call people trolls by the stupid American jerk who doesn't know shit about electronic or car's alternator. Even for a fixed voltage (14V) in automobile you are still wrong, Power is measured in AMP but in WATT no matter where in car or in your house of assholes. No wonder why you flunked comparing to other nation's education.

You get so flustered you can't even write what you mean. "Power is
measured in AMP but in watt" ??? funny. I doubt that's what you meant,
but with you, one can never be sure.

If you keep the voltage fixed, you have to increase the current to get
more power, even a troll like you should agree to that. Unless you want
to shift the whole discussion to AC power transmission, but I don't
think you have the background to carry on a discussion about
torque-angles and power factor so we'll just keep to DC for your sake.

As to what I know about electrical machinery and electronics, you have
no idea what you're talking about. I was re-wiring motors and fixing
the regulators for the old-style DC generators for marine engines while
your mama was still wiping your poop of your butt.

daestrom
Mabee when his gramma was wiping his mama's butt.
 
On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 11:04:15 -0700, John Larkin
<jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 22:02:30 -0400, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:

On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 15:48:41 -0400, PeterD <peter2@hipson.net> wrote:

On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 10:44:28 -0400, daestrom <daestrom@twcny.rr.com
wrote:

PeterD wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:41:22 -0700, "Richardson" <member@newsguy.com
wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@notcoldmail.com> wrote in message news:4A7C4B7D.C9006A01@notcoldmail.com...

Richardson wrote:

I removed alternators off many vehicles over 50 times per month. Not even
single mistake have I made. I am giving you this tip for your own benefit.
Oh by the way any one of your idiots know how to double the power off your
Alternator? Let's say it's a 150amp alt, can you double its output? The
answer is Yes you can.
No you can't.

To double the output would require 300A output.

Where you get that from Asshole? Do you realize Power Output is not measured in AMP but in WATT?

When voltage is fixed (as an automotive alternator is) then power is
measured in amps, which are directly related to watts. Eeyore is 100%
right, and you're a complete spamming moron.


Much as I hate to agree with that troll, you *can* change the operating
voltage of an alternator pretty easily.

I didn't mean to imply that that was not possible, but in an
automotive environment, it is not desirable. Changing output voltage
(to a limited extent) can be as simply as implementing the external
voltage sense line found on many alternators, and sticking a diode in
series.

You don't want to do it while
it's in your car, but it's very easy when removed from your car and
driven by another prime mover.

But you still have to spin it at a couple thousand RPM, so they are
pretty difficult to use with wind turbines (a point that troll keeps
missing).

daestrom
With today's switch mode power supply technology there really is no
reason an alternator cannot produce higher voltage and have it
electronically converted to clean, regulated power of whatever voltage
is desired for battery charging and accessory power use.

Why add all that complexity when the field current can be varied?

And PM alternators can be shorted with an SCR or equivalent to limit
battery charging current.

John

EFFICIENCY. You want lots of POWER out of a small device you need HIGH
VOLTAGE at low current. You want 12 volt accessories? Run them off a
SMPS converter rather than adding a 12 volt
generator/alternator/battery to supply the low voltage.

PMA and PMG technology, using a SCR style shunt regulator is EXTEMELY
innefficient, particularly at higher power levels.
 
"Richardson" <member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:JYWdncZmtr_K2uPXnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@posted.toastnet...

Again power is not measured in AMP, but in WATT you stupid jerks, Give it up
now suckers.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


If you know it all answer me this. Why are tools like electric drills and
even shop vacuums listed as having 6.0 AMP etc. motors?

http://www.blackanddecker.com/ProductGuide/CategoryOverview.aspx?cPath=1496.2050



--


Don Thompson

Stolen from Dan: "Just thinking, besides, I watched 2 dogs mating once,
and that makes me an expert. "

There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance.
~Goethe

It is a worthy thing to fight for one's freedom;
it is another sight finer to fight for another man's.
~Mark Twain
 
On Aug 8, 10:49 pm, "Richardson" <mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
Again power is not measured in AMP, but in WATT you stupid jerks, Give
it up now suckers.
Stop cross-posting this crap.
 
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:20:18 GMT, Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net>
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 06:41:41 +0300, Paul Keinanen wrote:

Have you returned to constant current power distribution with 6 A
circuits ?

Arc lamps in the 1880's were specified by the number of amperes
(typically 6 A for street lighting). All lamps were series connected
and you could operate 20-25 of these in series from a 6 A DC generator
producing a 1000-1500 V DC loaded voltage. Thus, the voltage drop
across each arc lamp was about 55 V on average.

And, like the series Xmas lights of yore, when one goes out, they all
go out.
In addition to the normal solenoid (A) in series to automatically
adjust the distance between the electrodes, both the Brush as well as
Thomson-Houston arc-lamp had an additional (high resistance) solenoid
(B) across the electrodes.

If the arc was extinguished, the solenoid B provided loop continuity
and now that the loop current was flowing through it, it also kicked
the electrodes together to attempt a reignition.

There is a brief description in "A history of control engineering,
1800-1930" by Stuart Bennett pages 155-159 (Fig. 5.1c and 5.2)

Some of the pages are available at

http://books.google.com/books?id=1gfKkqB_fTcC&lpg=PA156&pg=PA156#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Paul
 
Wireless Recharging For Electric Cars
http://www.techespot.com/2009/08/electric-cars-wireless-recharging-for.
html

A closer reading reveals, as expected, that inductive coupling is
used with no exposed conductors for safety.  Wires, in this case
heavy cable, are still necessary to transfer power.

Nothing "wireless" here.  (Get a CLUE, people!)
This scam might be more prevalent than generally assumed. Let me
check out my "wireless" phone recharger.

(Many minutes pass as I look for a Philips screwdriver.)

Hey! Wait a second. There's a wire in there!

I've been swindled!


Bret Cahill
 
On Wed, 2 Sep 2009, panfilero wrote:

I was just wondering... when should I use polarized caps? What's the
benifit here over a regular one? I'm setting up a voltage
regulator... a LM317.... and I'm putting a cap at the input voltage
and a cap across the output voltage... can I use non-polarized caps
here? Does it matter?

Much thanks!

The question is rather "when must I use non-polarized capacitors?".

Polarized capacitors aren't specified because of some need, they are
specified because the value of the capacitor is relatively high, and
the only way to get that capacitance in a decently small package is
to go to scheme that forces the capacitor to be polarized.

If you look in the catalogs, you'll see that there are no small value
electrolytic capacitors (and hence polarized capacitors). The smallest
I've ever seen are something like 0.47uF, and I can't figure out why
those exist since it's a value readily available in other forms. At
about the 1uF level, polarized capacitors start to take over, and
anything much above that is going to be polarized.

You can get non-polarized capacitors in the 1uF to maybe 30uF range, but
they are bigger and more expensive and hard to come by. You don't use
them unless you have a specific need for non-polarized capacitors.

There are few instances where you'd use such large value non-polarized
capacitors. Crossovers in speakers come to mind, they handle AC. Some
filter circuits maybe, but usually one can get away from large value
capacitors (use a larger inductor, or a more modern filter that allows
for smaller value capacitors), but even then, that would be for
very low frequency filters. AC motor starting capacitors are a
specialized breed. I'm sure there are some other exceptions,
but that's what they are, rare instances when you actually really need
a non-polarized capacitor.

Otherwise, you can live with polarized capacitors when you need high
value capacitors. Most of the time, they are power supply filtering or
bypass capacitors, where they are dealing with a polarized voltage. Even
coupling capacitors in active circuits generally have one side that is
more positive than the other.

Michael
 
"Ravi" <ravivrravi@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:95bfcfc9-6635-4f04-957f-ddcf093757be@y9g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
I have to implement a particular Lissajous pattern in C.R.O.The
lissajous pattern is elliptical in shape (ie pattern due to some phase
difference) and it should be moving in a circular path like a coin is
tossed.ie the coin should move like a flipping coin(about an axis) in
a circular path (that should be repeatable).
there are several hint for this:
1) A dual Supply will be provided
2) programmable ICs are not permitted
3) XY mode
4) Only sinusoidals are used

Video and details are given in this link:

http://www.xtrium.org/coin.html
<Charades> Sounds like "ohmwork" </Charades>

Paul
 
On Sep 3, 8:21 am, Ravi <ravivrr...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have to implement a particular Lissajous pattern in C.R.O.The
lissajous pattern is elliptical in shape (ie pattern due to some phase
difference) and it should be moving in a circular path like a coin is
tossed.ie the coin should move like a flipping coin(about an axis) in
a circular path (that should be repeatable).
there are several hint for this:
1) A dual Supply will be provided
2) programmable ICs are not permitted
3) XY mode
4) Only sinusoidals  are used

Video and details are given in this link:

http://www.xtrium.org/coin.html
OK here's another hint, you can just make a circle on the XY scope by
feeding a sine to the X axis and the cosine (90 degree phase shift of
sine) to Y-axis. Make the ellipse flat or tall by changing
amplitudes... make it squish along axis at 45 degrees to X-Y by
changing relative phase.

Now it's your turn to add the coin bit.

George H.
 
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 05:21:16 -0700, Ravi wrote:

I have to implement a particular Lissajous pattern in C.R.O.The lissajous
pattern is elliptical in shape (ie pattern due to some phase difference)
and it should be moving in a circular path like a coin is tossed.ie the
coin should move like a flipping coin(about an axis) in a circular path
(that should be repeatable). there are several hint for this:
1) A dual Supply will be provided
2) programmable ICs are not permitted 3) XY mode
4) Only sinusoidals are used

Video and details are given in this link:

http://www.xtrium.org/coin.html
Two oscillators.

Now, go read your textbook and do your own damn homework.

Good Luck!
Rich
 
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Nemo wrote:

panfilero mused
I was just wondering... when should I use polarized caps? What's the
benifit here over a regular one? I'm setting up a voltage
regulator... a LM317.... and I'm putting a cap at the input voltage
and a cap across the output voltage... can I use non-polarized caps
here? Does it matter?

Some regulators, like the LM317 and the 78xx family, have been around for
20-30 years. When their datasheets were written, you couldn't get cheap large
value ceramic capacitors. It was assumed that for 1uF or more, you would use
a polarised capacitor.

These days you can get 10uF ceramics which fit in 0805 packages. If you use
them, you need to watch the voltage rating (small components often have low
voltage ratings), and check that the dielectric (X5R, Y5V etc) has a low
enough temperature coefficient that the capacitor will not drop below the
minimum level of required capacitance at any expected operating temperature.
Having said this, I have used ceramic capacitors with voltage regulators
successfully.

I hadn't thought of the ESR but if John says it is a potential problem then
it is a potential problem 8) I looked into using some tantalum
(polarised) capacitors the other day, and found several types that had
surprisingly high ESR's.
Of course, those datasheets often specified type of capacitor, the
capacitance value varying with the type.

Those capacitors are there to ensure the 3 terminal regulator doesn't
oscillate, so the value specified was a reflection of the capacitance
and the inductance.

Michael
 
"Ravi"
I have to implement a particular Lissajous pattern in C.R.O.The
lissajous pattern is elliptical in shape (ie pattern due to some phase
difference) and it should be moving in a circular path like a coin is
tossed.ie the coin should move like a flipping coin(about an axis) in
a circular path (that should be repeatable).

** Requires 3 sine wave oscillators - one at a very low frequency like 0.25
Hz, the other two close in frequency at a few hundred Hz and with fine
frequency adjustment.

A variable phase shift network for the low oscillator and two summing stages
to produce the final X and Y signals.

All the sine waves could be derived by low pass filtering square waves.

Simple really.



...... Phil
 
Rich Grise wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 05:21:16 -0700, Ravi wrote:

I have to implement a particular Lissajous pattern in C.R.O.The lissajous
pattern is elliptical in shape (ie pattern due to some phase difference)
and it should be moving in a circular path like a coin is tossed.ie the
coin should move like a flipping coin(about an axis) in a circular path
(that should be repeatable). there are several hint for this:
1) A dual Supply will be provided
2) programmable ICs are not permitted 3) XY mode
4) Only sinusoidals are used

Video and details are given in this link:

http://www.xtrium.org/coin.html

Two oscillators.

Now, go read your textbook and do your own damn homework.

Good Luck!
Rich
Nah, he is posting on other news groups asking the same question. I
suggest only supplying him wrong information.
 
On Sep 6, 11:49 am, John Larkin
<jjSNIPlar...@highTHISlandtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 16:35:33 -0700, Mycelium





mycel...@thematrixattheendofthemushroomstem.org> wrote:
On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 15:01:34 -0700 (PDT), "m...@sushi.com"
m...@sushi.com> wrote:

On Sep 5, 11:07 am, Mycelium
mycel...@thematrixattheendofthemushroomstem.org> wrote:
On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 18:56:58 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

dirk.bru...@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter Bennett wrote:
On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 09:29:24 -0700 (PDT), panfilero
panfil...@gmail.com> wrote:

I was just wondering... when should I use polarized caps?  What's the
benifit here over a regular one?  I'm setting up a voltage
regulator... a LM317.... and I'm putting a cap at the input voltage
and a cap across the output voltage... can I use non-polarized caps
here? Does it matter?

Much thanks!

Polarized capacitors are Aluminum or Tantalum Electrolytics - they
typically have much greater capacitance than a non-electrolytic type
of a similar size, so are used where large capacitance is required..

So what of nonpolarized electrolytics?

  An NP EL cap is really two caps in one.  That is why you will always
see the physical size being twice that of a similarly valued polarized EL
cap.

  They are two caps in series (by way of the manufacturing process) where
one is polarity reversed with respect to the other.

I don't see how two caps in series prevents reverse biasing the caps.
Are there diodes in the circuit?

 When you reverse polarity in a polarized EL, you get a short.

At low reverse voltages, polarized elecs usually keep behaving like a
cap. Numbers like 10% of rated voltage maybe.

At higher voltages, they start to leak, and the leakage current
de-forms the AlO2 layer, which in turn increases leakage. The "short"
is soft, time-dependent, and complex.



In an NP El, you get one shorting through and the other working,
regardless of which way it gets hooked up or excited, so the end result
always merely appears as a properly working, properly attached cap.

An NP electrolytic behaves strangely compared to a "real" NP cap. At
small signal, no bias, it looks like C/2, two caps sections in series.
Under various large-signal conditions, it can look more like C, but
ugly/lossy/nonlinear and frequency dependent.

Don't use them in analog filters.

John- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
That makes sense, At large voltages I always figured the reversed
biased cap just looked like some 'ugly' resistor... the only reason
it didn't blow up was the other cap kept any DC current from
flowing. I didn't know that at low voltages they both looked like
'real' caps. Thanks John,

George H.
 
Jamie wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Jamie wrote:

Moi wrote:


It's used in a load panel sticker that says something like "do not put more
than 150 amps on one stab".

What's a "stab"?


The fork finger that grabs the bus bare..



Its a BUS BAR or a BUSS BAR, dumbass.


OHHHHH< I forgot 1 "S"

I must of been thinking of using it for the word
"SHIT" head, I knew you would be drooling all over my post..

Why don't you go back to your closet and stay quiet.

Good for nothing puke.

Yawn. Wipe it off your face and read what you wrote:


The fork finger that grabs the bus bare..

Parasitic parasite. Malignant one at that.

Yes, yet you won't go away. You continue to post crap, then complain
when people point it out.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!
 
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Fred Abse wrote:
On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 14:53:48 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

If you want lab grade, you have to pay for it. Look for a good used
HP 3325B.

Only snag is you don't get the full frequency range on all waveforms.

I was using it below 20 MHz. Sometimes to 1/100 hz to measure the
intigration time of the AGC system in high end telemetry receivers.


The phase noise is unbelievably low for a synth FG. I had a a hard time
telling the difference between my 3325b and my 8640B at 20MHz.It is
characterized as a "Synthesizer / Function Generator" rather than a
"Synthesized Function Generator", apparently a significant distinction.

The 3325A or B were the cleanes waveform generators in the company.
We had about 50. Only three were of the HP 3325 family. Two in
engineering, and the one on my bench. It was supposed to be theirs, but
after they stole my Tektronix 2246, I got the 2246B that was on order,
and their third 3325B :)


I've got a Rohde & Schwartz AFGU that does all waveforms to max frequency.
However the phase noise is cruel compared to the HP.

I still have some Rohde & Schwarz equipment in my home shop, but it
never impresed me as well designed, or all that good. OTOH, I had to
take it to get the used HP equipment I wanted. :(


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