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---John Fields wrote:
"Rod Speed" wrote:
You're a pathetic excuse for a troll.
---
Am I?
You seem to be firmly hooked.
JF
I hope you're getting some fun from this. I was led to believe he was an expert yet
he trips himself up continually.
---John Fields wrote:
"Rod Speed" wrote:
Eeyore wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Nope, the top imploded, stupid.
Totally unsupported by all the photographic evidence.
Wrong, as always. You're just using the WRONG meaning of the word imploded, stupid.
---
Clearly you've been thoroughly beaten and now all you're doing is
thrashing around hoping for some miracle to come along and save your
miserable ass.
I wonder if he's ever seen a real implosion ?
ROTFLMAOEeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
I saw it live on TV. They collapsed vertically. Not imploded.
They imploded vertically.
I think this is the device they're talking about:disgoftunwells wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
disgoftunwells wrote:
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
Pure fantasy. Show us the plant doing anything like that.
Here you go:http://www.nanosolar.com/blog3/
It's actually 100 feet per minute, or about 1mph.(Not even 2 orders
of magnitude error)
On the other hand, this isn't a plant doing 1GW (capacity) per year.
It's a machine.
They expect $1 / watt.
To the best of my knowledge nanosolar product has not been
independently tested and is only being sold to 'selected' customers.
At 1GW capacity per year you shouldn't have to wait too long - I'm
pretty sure their shipping stuff.. Though I don't think they'll deal
direct with the public.
Though for some reason their first municipal customer is in Eastern
Germany, that well known sunny spot.
When there's one of the shelf I can buy I'll believe it. If they can
do it - GREAT - but I see certain fundamental physical principles of
an extraordinary order that they would have had to overcome.
Can you elaborate?
My understanding is that the crytsal lattice has to be oriented at a
certain angle for the the thing to function. How you can do that with
printing baffles me.
Also how do you 'print' a diode (which is what a solar cell is) which is a
diffused junction device ?
Well it certainly does for LEDS IIRC.Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
disgoftunwells wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
When there's one of the shelf I can buy I'll believe it. If they
can do it - GREAT - but I see certain fundamental physical
principles of an extraordinary order that they would have had to
overcome.
Can you elaborate?
My understanding is that the crytsal lattice has to be
oriented at a certain angle for the the thing to function.
Nope.
I may do just that.How you can do that with printing baffles me.
Baffling you is never hard.
Also how do you 'print' a diode (which is what a solar cell is)
which is a diffused junction device ?
If they've patented it, you should be able to look the details up there.
Who knows ?If they havent, its just another scam.
Thanks Bill. That document sheds some light on the matter. It looks like theseEeyore wrote:
disgoftunwells wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
disgoftunwells wrote:
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
Pure fantasy. Show us the plant doing anything like that.
Here you go:http://www.nanosolar.com/blog3/
It's actually 100 feet per minute, or about 1mph.(Not even 2 orders
of magnitude error)
On the other hand, this isn't a plant doing 1GW (capacity) per year.
It's a machine.
They expect $1 / watt.
To the best of my knowledge nanosolar product has not been
independently tested and is only being sold to 'selected' customers.
At 1GW capacity per year you shouldn't have to wait too long - I'm
pretty sure their shipping stuff.. Though I don't think they'll deal
direct with the public.
Though for some reason their first municipal customer is in Eastern
Germany, that well known sunny spot.
When there's one of the shelf I can buy I'll believe it. If they can
do it - GREAT - but I see certain fundamental physical principles of
an extraordinary order that they would have had to overcome.
Can you elaborate?
My understanding is that the crytsal lattice has to be oriented at a
certain angle for the the thing to function. How you can do that with
printing baffles me.
Also how do you 'print' a diode (which is what a solar cell is) which is a
diffused junction device ?
I think this is the device they're talking about:
http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy05osti/37404.pdf
---Nope and leds aint PV collectors anyway.
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:54:20 +1000, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Nope and leds aint PV collectors anyway.
---
Really?
Connect a voltmeter across an LED, then take it outside and point it (the LED)
at the sun. What does your voltmeter say?
JF
JF
---John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:54:20 +1000, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Nope and leds aint PV collectors anyway.
---
Really?
Connect a voltmeter across an LED, then take it outside and point it
at the sun. What does your voltmeter say?
Pity about the power, fuckwit.
---On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 08:30:44 +1000, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:54:20 +1000, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Nope and leds aint PV collectors anyway.
---
Really?
Connect a voltmeter across an LED, then take it outside and point it
at the sun. What does your voltmeter say?
Pity about the power, fuckwit.
---
Wow, a talking voltmeter that cusses! I'm impressed.
Power has nothing to do with: "leds aint PV collectors anyway." you
pig-ignorant churl.
Too damn right. Maybe they came up with something else ? A patent search would be theEeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Bill Ward wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
disgoftunwells wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
disgoftunwells wrote:
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
Pure fantasy. Show us the plant doing anything like that.
Here you go:http://www.nanosolar.com/blog3/
It's actually 100 feet per minute, or about 1mph.(Not even 2
orders of magnitude error)
On the other hand, this isn't a plant doing 1GW (capacity) per
year. It's a machine.
They expect $1 / watt.
To the best of my knowledge nanosolar product has not been
independently tested and is only being sold to 'selected'
customers.
At 1GW capacity per year you shouldn't have to wait too long - I'm
pretty sure their shipping stuff.. Though I don't think they'll
deal direct with the public.
Though for some reason their first municipal customer is in Eastern
Germany, that well known sunny spot.
When there's one of the shelf I can buy I'll believe it. If they
can do it - GREAT - but I see certain fundamental physical
principles of an extraordinary order that they would have had to
overcome.
Can you elaborate?
My understanding is that the crytsal lattice has to be oriented at a
certain angle for the the thing to function. How you can do that
with printing baffles me.
Also how do you 'print' a diode (which is what a solar cell is)
which is a diffused junction device ?
I think this is the device they're talking about:
http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy05osti/37404.pdf
Thanks Bill. That document sheds some light on the matter. It looks
like these were still constructed using sputtering rather than 'printing' though.
And you cant get anything like the 'print' rate they claim using sputtering.
Thank you for making the point for me."Rod Speed" wrote:
Nope and leds aint PV collectors anyway.
---
Really?
Connect a voltmeter across an LED, then take it outside and point it
at the sun. What does your voltmeter say?
Here's a press release, FWIW:Rod Speed wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Bill Ward wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
disgoftunwells wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
disgoftunwells wrote:
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
Pure fantasy. Show us the plant doing anything like that.
Here you go:http://www.nanosolar.com/blog3/
It's actually 100 feet per minute, or about 1mph.(Not even 2
orders of magnitude error)
On the other hand, this isn't a plant doing 1GW (capacity) per
year. It's a machine.
They expect $1 / watt.
To the best of my knowledge nanosolar product has not been
independently tested and is only being sold to 'selected'
customers.
At 1GW capacity per year you shouldn't have to wait too long - I'm
pretty sure their shipping stuff.. Though I don't think they'll
deal direct with the public.
Though for some reason their first municipal customer is in Eastern
Germany, that well known sunny spot.
When there's one of the shelf I can buy I'll believe it. If they
can do it - GREAT - but I see certain fundamental physical
principles of an extraordinary order that they would have had to
overcome.
Can you elaborate?
My understanding is that the crytsal lattice has to be oriented at a
certain angle for the the thing to function. How you can do that
with printing baffles me.
Also how do you 'print' a diode (which is what a solar cell is)
which is a diffused junction device ?
I think this is the device they're talking about:
http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy05osti/37404.pdf
Thanks Bill. That document sheds some light on the matter. It looks
like these were still constructed using sputtering rather than
'printing' though.
And you cant get anything like the 'print' rate they claim using
sputtering.
Too damn right. Maybe they came up with something else ? A patent search
would be the only way.
Graham
---Some terminal fuckwit claiming to be
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote
just the puerile shit thats all it can ever manage.
Interesting. Thanks again BillEeyore wrote:
Rod Speed wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Bill Ward wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
disgoftunwells wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
disgoftunwells wrote:
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
Pure fantasy. Show us the plant doing anything like that.
Here you go:http://www.nanosolar.com/blog3/
It's actually 100 feet per minute, or about 1mph.(Not even 2
orders of magnitude error)
On the other hand, this isn't a plant doing 1GW (capacity) per
year. It's a machine.
They expect $1 / watt.
To the best of my knowledge nanosolar product has not been
independently tested and is only being sold to 'selected'
customers.
At 1GW capacity per year you shouldn't have to wait too long - I'm
pretty sure their shipping stuff.. Though I don't think they'll
deal direct with the public.
Though for some reason their first municipal customer is in Eastern
Germany, that well known sunny spot.
When there's one of the shelf I can buy I'll believe it. If they
can do it - GREAT - but I see certain fundamental physical
principles of an extraordinary order that they would have had to
overcome.
Can you elaborate?
My understanding is that the crytsal lattice has to be oriented at a
certain angle for the the thing to function. How you can do that
with printing baffles me.
Also how do you 'print' a diode (which is what a solar cell is)
which is a diffused junction device ?
I think this is the device they're talking about:
http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy05osti/37404.pdf
Thanks Bill. That document sheds some light on the matter. It looks
like these were still constructed using sputtering rather than
'printing' though.
And you cant get anything like the 'print' rate they claim using
sputtering.
Too damn right. Maybe they came up with something else ? A patent search
would be the only way.
Graham
Here's a press release, FWIW:
http://www.nanotech-now.com/news.cgi?story_id=29744
begin excerpt
Nanosolar Achieves 1GW CIGS Deposition Throughput
San Jose, CA | Posted on June 18th, 2008
Most production tools in the solar industry tend to have 10-30MW in annual
production capacity. How is it possible to have a single tool with
Gigawatt throughput?
This feat is fundamentally enabled through the proprietary nanoparticle
ink we have invested so many years developing. It allows us to deliver
efficient solar cells (presently up to more than 14%) that are simply
printed.
Printing is a simple, fast, and robust coating process that in particular
eliminates the need for expensive high-vacuum chambers and the kinds of
high-vacuum based deposition techniques from industries where there's a
lot more $/sqm available for competitive manufacturing cost.
Our 1GW CIGS coater cost $1.65 million. At the 100 feet-per-minute speed
shown in the video, that's an astonishing two orders of magnitude more
capital efficient than a high-vacuum process: a twenty times slower
high-vacuum tool would have cost about ten times as much per tool.
Plus if we cared to run it even faster, we could. (The same coating
technique works in principle for speeds up to 2000 feet-per-minute too. In
fact, it turns out the faster we run, the better the coating!)
end excerpt
---Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
Rod Speed wrote
John Larkin wrote
Eeyore wrote
John Larkin wrote
Rod Speed wrote
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote
And you?
I piss on clowns like you from a great height.
You get to like that or lump it, child.
What could you possibly know about great heights?
I'm hard pressed to tell who's the least imaginative insulter.
Cahill or Speed.
Both are amateurs, at technology and at insulting.
You three clowns in spades.
Oh dear that actually made me laugh out loud.
A brainless jerk insults 3 engineers whose products
have sold in the (most likely tens of ) thousands
Just another pathetic excuse for an insult any 2 year old could leave for dead.
Is this some tape recording ? A bit like an answering machine.Some terminal fuckwit claiming to be
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote just the
usual pathetic excuse for a troll thats all it can ever manage.
An AC wall-wart transformer will work, and is safe. It will introduceI need to find a way to couple the AC mains signal to my low voltage
scope input. I'm adjusting a rotary spark gap and need to get the
"bangs" on the up and downswing of the AC cycle.
Is there something I can build with a transformer / optoisolator - or
is it easier than that?
Dave
I need to find a way to couple the AC mains signal to my low voltage
scope input. I'm adjusting a rotary spark gap and need to get the
"bangs" on the up and downswing of the AC cycle.
Is there something I can build with a transformer / optoisolator - or
is it easier than that?
Dave
They call it a 100:1 or 1000:1 scope probe for HV work.
Kasterborus wrote:
I need to find a way to couple the AC mains signal to my low voltage
scope input. I'm adjusting a rotary spark gap and need to get the
"bangs" on the up and downswing of the AC cycle.
Is there something I can build with a transformer / optoisolator - or
is it easier than that?
Dave
They call it a 100:1 or 1000:1 scope probe for HV work.
HV Probes are for actual High Voltage.