Chip with simple program for Toy

[Eeyore]

Rod Speed wrote:

Did you know that something like 30% of all fuel oil is used
in SHIPPING. No more trade with Asia (fuel costs too high

Thats not true. The sea freight is a small part of the retail price.

That's not what I said. I said % of usage. In comparison aviation is 'only' 8% or
so. Therefore SHIPPING usage has a MAJOR effect on fuel oil price.

- already sea transport can account for 10% of the FOB - destination cost),

Not with the sort of stuff we buy from asia it doesnt.

You must be getting some damn good deals then !

no more cruise lines,

The cost of the fuel is a small part of their costs.

Maybe in their case.

you name it.

The Arabs aren't stupid, they know who pays for the modernisation
(and bombing) of their countries. It won't go that high.

It aint set by the arabs, and yes, it wont get that high.

Ever heard of OPEC ?

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Rod Speed wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
BretCahill@peoplepc.com wrote

Maybe you are a loser in your own mind.

You are simply lost in your mind.

He hasnt got a mind, just ear to ear dog shit.

You are typical of someone who knows nothing about engineering,
mechanics and accounting and simple practicalities.

Indeed.

You can count most politicians in on that list too ! Maybe we should get
them a 'short bus' ?

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

BretCahill@peoplepc.com wrote:

That could drop with cheap PV.

So such thing yet exists.

One plant in San Jose puts out a GW a year.

And it's area is ?

I'ld assume it is the 15% rating applied to the 1kW/m^2 figure, 6.7
m^2/kW X 1 GW X 1,000,000 kW/GW = 6.7 million m^2.

Have you EVER heard of something called INSOLATION ?

It's 'how sunny' different places are. I suggest you read up on it. Not that I'd
expect you to. You just want sweet simply phoney 'answers' from Father
Christmas.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

BretCahill@peoplepc.com wrote:

They claim they can print PV at paper mill speeds, the PV comes flying
off the line at 50 mph.

THEY claim nothing of the sort.

PV is monumnetally expensive.

The whole concept of 'printable' PV is as far as I can see from basic physical
fundamentals utterly insane and probably a scam to lure in investors..
Semiconductor processing MUST be required to get the atomic lattices right. And
semiconductor processing isn't cheap or available in huge quantities.

Graham

 

That could drop with cheap PV.

So such thing yet exists.

One plant in San Jose puts out a GW a year.

---
So what's the conversion efficiency of the PV

They claim 15%.

and how much power does
it use to "put out" that GW?

It's not significant. You are too ignorant of technology to ask the
right questions.

. . .

With an insolation of 1kW/mďż˝ at noon and a conversion efficiency of
10%, what would be the total power output of the array from sunrise to
sunset?

Show your work, please.

12 meter bus with PV on top and sides casting a 36 m^2 shadow
equivalent normal to the sun heading east or west.

At 15% that's over 5 kW at noon.

Maybe 20 - 25 kW-hrs/day saving two gallons of diesel.

$10/day today.

$17/day in two years.

$50/day in 6 years.


Bret Cahill

 

[John Fields]

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:06:42 -0700 (PDT), BretCahill@peoplepc.com
wrote:

HUGE.

There's that word again.

---
Something you obviously can't deal with...

JF

 

In overall costs, grid battery is already competitive or cheaper than diesel in many areas.

You're lying, as always.

We've done the math.

Diesel is already 35 cents / kW hr.

Battery + grid is only 30 cents / kW hr, 27 cents in the TVA area.

It would be foolish to replace an old diesel with a new diesel
when grid battery will not skyrocket in operating cost.

Makes a hell of a lot more sense to produce biodiesel,

Where is this bio diesel being produced?

Is there a pipeline that delivers it anywhere?

Grid battery is all off the shelf.


Bret Cahill

 

That could drop with cheap PV.

So such thing yet exists.

One plant in San Jose puts out a GW a year.

And it's area is ?

I'ld assume it is the 15% rating applied to the 1kW/m^2 figure, 6.7
m^2/kW X 1 GW X 1,000,000 kW/GW = 6.7 million m^2.

They claim they can print PV at paper mill speeds, the PV comes flying
off the line at 50 mph.

There's a limit to how much PV you can put out before the price starts
to drop.

In sunny areas the bus could be plastered with PV which would be a
significant savings.

A kW or so ? Please !

A _sunny_ area, not some place where it rains so much a tennis match
can last until 9:30 at night.

Let's say you can fit 60m2 of PV on a roof of a bus. At PEAK insolation
(mid-day) it will produce at typical efficiencies a total of 9 kW. About
12 hp.

Sounds like a big bus. Maybe those double decker buses would work.

Average daily insolation over the year might run at 35-50kWh for the whole
bus in the sunnier parts of the USA. Pitiful.

It'll run the AC.

No one ever said post peak would be a rose garden.

The expense and maintenance costs -

Graffitti artists might lower the efficiency.

HUGE.

There's that word again.


Bret Cahill

 

[John Fields]

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:58:40 -0700 (PDT), BretCahill@peoplepc.com
wrote:

HUGE.

There's that word again.

---
Something you obviously can't deal with...

How big is "huge?"

Way big?

Really big?

Super duper big?

---
Let's put it this way:

If your intellect could be considered 'huge', that of an imbecile
would be larger still.

JF

 

That could drop with cheap PV.

So such thing yet exists.

One plant in San Jose puts out a GW a year.

---
So what's the conversion efficiency of the PV

They claim 15%.

Which is when the the panel is perpendicular to the source.

Except for the windows the sides as well as the top are covered.


Bret Cahill

 

That could drop with cheap PV.

So such thing yet exists.

One plant in San Jose puts out a GW a year.

And it's area is ?

I'ld assume it is the 15% rating applied to the 1kW/m^2 figure, 6.7
m^2/kW X 1 GW X 1,000,000 kW/GW = 6.7 million m^2.

Have you EVER heard of something called INSOLATION ?

How else are they going to rate their plant's capacity?

By the output at night?

Are you acting dumb or are you really this stupid in real life?


Bret Cahill

 

They claim they can print PV at paper mill speeds, the PV comes flying
off the line at 50 mph.

THEY claim nothing of the sort.

PV is monumnetally expensive.

The whole concept of 'printable' PV is as far as I can see from basic physical
fundamentals utterly insane and probably a scam to lure in investors..
Semiconductor processing MUST be required to get the atomic lattices right. And
semiconductor processing isn't cheap or available in huge quantities.

Maybe you ought to become an investigative reporter and expose this
nonsense.


Bret Cahill

 

HUGE.

There's that word again.

---
Something you obviously can't deal with...

How big is "huge?"

Way big?

Really big?

Super duper big?


Bret Cahill

 

[Eeyore]

BretCahill@peoplepc.com wrote:

That could drop with cheap PV.

So such thing yet exists.

One plant in San Jose puts out a GW a year.

And it's area is ?

I'ld assume it is the 15% rating applied to the 1kW/m^2 figure, 6.7
m^2/kW X 1 GW X 1,000,000 kW/GW = 6.7 million m^2.

Have you EVER heard of something called INSOLATION ?

How else are they going to rate their plant's capacity?

Whoooooosssshhhhhhh !

WOW you really are dumb.I'm not quite sure I've ever seen anyone miss the
point quite as effectively as you just did.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

BretCahill@peoplepc.com wrote:

They claim they can print PV at paper mill speeds, the PV comes flying
off the line at 50 mph.

THEY claim nothing of the sort.

PV is monumnetally expensive.

The whole concept of 'printable' PV is as far as I can see from basic physical
fundamentals utterly insane and probably a scam to lure in investors..
Semiconductor processing MUST be required to get the atomic lattices right. And
semiconductor processing isn't cheap or available in huge quantities.

Maybe you ought to become an investigative reporter and expose this
nonsense.

It's sort of crossed my mind actually. Not directly as it happens but by alerting
intelligent news media channels like NOT Faux News who lap up ever single 'water car'
story.

They are IMHO no end of 'green hoaxes' out there just begging for venture capital to
fund executive lifestyles that the CEO, CFO etc can simply walk away from when it
fails.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

BretCahill@peoplepc.com wrote:

HUGE.

There's that word again.

---
Something you obviously can't deal with...

How big is "huge?"

Way big?

Really big?

Super duper big?

The true definition can be found in the book 'The Hitchhiker's Guide to
the Galaxy'.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Bret Cahill wrote:

Just answer the question: huge with respect to what?

An invertebrate ?

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

BretCahill@peoplepc.com wrote:

That could drop with cheap PV.

So such thing yet exists.

One plant in San Jose puts out a GW a year.

---
So what's the conversion efficiency of the PV

They claim 15%.

Which is when the the panel is perpendicular to the source.

Except for the windows the sides as well as the top are covered.

For about 10 days I expect before thugs, vandals, reversing bumps etc
eliminate them all.

You have no idea of reality.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Bret Cahill wrote:

Please elaborate on that quantitatively and show your work.

Totally huge.

Pathetic.

No way.

Cite?

Liar

I see no calculations or worked sums there.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Bret Cahill wrote:

When looking at battery tech for (PH)EVs, I came across an
interesting experiment converting a school bus into an electric
vehicle.

And if it was so great whey aren't they in volume manufacture right now ?

Graham