Chip with simple program for Toy

[john jardine]

"Gene" <genes@wildblue.net> wrote in message
news:J400j.11$dG4.116851@news.sisna.com...

Good day, all.

Problem: Cause a sphere that is 6 feet in diameter and made of
0.05 inch thick plate steel (or other metal?) to reach a uniform skin
temperature
of 300F degrees by using 220 or 440VAC as a source?

First, is it possible?
(I'm sure there are better ways of doing this than making the entire
sphere a shorted heating element - but this question relates only to
whether
it's POSSIBLE, not practical.)

"IF" it's possible, what type of transformer would you use?
That is, what would the OUTPUT in volts, amps, watts, etc be -
assuming that you wanted the sphere to reach a uniform skin
temperature of 300F? Basically, we just want to "short-out" the
sphere & cause it to heat to 300F with AC or DC current - so
what's the transformer design

THANKS,
Gene

You've about 250lbs of steel there, so in theory 6.8MJ will get it up to
temperature. This is about 2kW electrical heat input for an hour. Springs to
mind therefore that an arc welding transformer would be ideal.
But ... from theory into the real world and you move into the tricky
subject of thermodynamics, which needs account taking of many other
environmental and material radiative/diffusion characteristics.
A finite element, 3D heat flow solver program, seems the only way to point
to some kind of real answer.
Or maybe if it's a class project, program something based on Fouriers law of
heat conduction but make a lot of simplifying assumptions.

 

[Dan Bloomquist]

RP wrote:

On Nov 17, 8:41 pm, Dan Bloomquist <publi...@lakeweb.com> wrote:
RP wrote:

*There is still the Aharonov-Bohm effect, which I have yet to understand
properly. But the 'B' field does not necessarily come into play other
than mathematically, FWIU.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The Aharonov-Bohm effect is easily explained in the context of
Weberian electrodynamics. The field outside of an ideal solenoid is
not nulled by superpostion of the fields of the current elements ds
around the loop. The law of Biot-Savart is simply incorrect. By
reducing the solenoid to current elements "ds", and then further
breaking these down into positive and negative components of charge
and then integrating over the components of charge in the elements,
the symmetry assumed by Maxwell simply isn't there. The positive
charges remain stationary while the negative charges are drifting
along the conductor. This motion of the electrons wrt an external
point charge in itself produces an "effective" increase in the Coulomb
charge of the drifting electrons. (see Purcell for essentially the
same model that Weber published, but disregard his equal and opposite
flow of positve charges, or in other words Maxwell's assumed
symmetry).

The increase in the effective charge of the drifting electrons is
velocity dependent, rising to maximum when the external charge is
moving counter to the flow that is occuring at the near side of the
coil. The electrons drifting along the opposite side of the coil do
not cancel this force because these electrons are also moving wrt the
point charge, thus they appear to have a greater Coulomb charge as
well. The coil appears to be net negative wrt an external charge,
regardless of the motion of the external charge, but the magnitude of
the effective increase in Coulomb charge is dependent upon the
direction of motion of the external charge and upon its speed, i.e. it
is a velocity dependent effect which gives rise to an illusion that a
magnetic field is acting outside of the solenoid when in fact the
field isn't a magnetic field. It is instead a velocity dependent E
field. The protons also extend a velocity dependent E field, but due
to the assymetry in the relative motions its contribution is less and
due to the geometry of the
relativistic force produced by this component of charge cancels out
leaving an apparent net negative charge of the solenoid as a whole.

By placing a solenoid between the two slits of a diffraction grating
the phase of the passing electron is shifted simply because the
rotational sense of the drifting electrons within the coil are not
symetric wrt the slits. The force will be greater on the electron as
it passes through the slit in which the drifting electrons closer to
it are moving counter to the motion of the electron passing through
the slit. The force on the passing electron will be less through the
other slit. The interference pattern is thus shifted to the right or
left depending upon orientation of the solenoid.

Thanks RP, you have given some to think about. I will do my best to
digest it before Christmas! Just one question. If the solenoid is
shielded, is the same effect observed? Sorry, but I have just gotten
back from a job and haven't researched or thought yet. But I do recall
that electrostatic shielding does not quell the effect?

Thanks, Dan.

 

[Green Xenon [Radium]]

Darwin123 wrote:

" <gluceg...@excite.com
wrote:
Northern magnetic energy is emitted from the side of

the magnet giving out the lines of force. This is analogous to the fact
that negative electrodes give out electrons and positive electrodes take
in electrons in a circuit. The current flows from negative to positive
because electrons are negatively-charged. Similarly, the south side of a
magnet is positive while the north side is negative.


No, this is wrong.
The magnetic field lines are not analogous to electric
current. Electric current constitutes a flow of electric charges, with
rest-mass. Often the electric charges are electrons as in metal wires,
or ions as in salt water. A magnetic current would be a flow of
monopoles, also with a rest mass. As far as has yet been determined,
monopoles do not exist. Even if they were discovered, the magnetic
field is not behaving like a flow of monopoles. The magnetic field is
a field, not a current. A magnetic field line is not a current any
more than a road is a bunch of moving cars.
The magnetic field is loosely analogous to an electric field.
The electric field is not an electric current. A kink in an electric
field lines moves much faster than a electric current. Electric field
line kinks move at the speed of light.
Yes, electric field lines do extend from the positive charge to
the negative charge. They do not move from positive to negative, they
extend from positive to negative. They are considered continuous
entities, not a path of motion. Two electric charges fixed a distance
apart, not moving, can have electric field lines extending between
them. If you let the two charges go, they will move toward each other
ALONG the electric field lines.
Just like magnetic field lines are not considered a path of moving
charges. A electric field is not an electric current any more than a
road is bunch of moving cars.

A positive electric field is deficient in electrons. A negative electric
field has too many electrons. In the former, the amount of electrons are
less than the number of protons. In the latter, the amount of electrons
exceed the amount of protons.

When a CRT screen is negatively-charged and you touch it, the electrons
move into your body, provided another portion of you is touching another
well-conducting material. In this case, the CRT screen emits a negative
electric field that gives out the electrons into you. The conductor
somewhere else on you is initially-positive as it takes those electrons
from you.

Positive sucks in.

Negative blows out.

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:08:34 -0800, "Green Xenon [Radium]"
<glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

When a CRT screen is negatively-charged and you touch it, the electrons
move into your body, provided another portion of you is touching another
well-conducting material.

Wrong.

You might consider taking an introductory physics course at a
community college or something. You're interested in this stuff, but
you keep getting the fundamentals wrong.

John

 

[RP]

On Nov 19, 9:03 pm, Dan Bloomquist <publi...@lakeweb.com> wrote:

RP wrote:
On Nov 17, 8:41 pm, Dan Bloomquist <publi...@lakeweb.com> wrote:
RP wrote:

*There is still theAharonov-Bohmeffect, which I have yet to understand
properly. But the 'B' field does not necessarily come into play other
than mathematically, FWIU.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

TheAharonov-Bohmeffect is easily explained in the context of
Weberianelectrodynamics. The field outside of an ideal solenoid is
not nulled by superpostion of the fields of the current elements ds
around the loop. The law of Biot-Savart is simply incorrect. By
reducing the solenoid to current elements "ds", and then further
breaking these down into positive and negative components of charge
and then integrating over the components of charge in the elements,
the symmetry assumed by Maxwell simply isn't there. The positive
charges remain stationary while the negative charges are drifting
along the conductor. This motion of the electrons wrt an external
point charge in itself produces an "effective" increase in the Coulomb
charge of the drifting electrons. (see Purcell for essentially the
same model that Weber published, but disregard his equal and opposite
flow of positve charges, or in other words Maxwell's assumed
symmetry).

The increase in the effective charge of the drifting electrons is
velocity dependent, rising to maximum when the external charge is
moving counter to the flow that is occuring at the near side of the
coil. The electrons drifting along the opposite side of the coil do
not cancel this force because these electrons are also moving wrt the
point charge, thus they appear to have a greater Coulomb charge as
well. The coil appears to be net negative wrt an external charge,
regardless of the motion of the external charge, but the magnitude of
the effective increase in Coulomb charge is dependent upon the
direction of motion of the external charge and upon its speed, i.e. it
is a velocity dependent effect which gives rise to an illusion that a
magnetic field is acting outside of the solenoid when in fact the
field isn't a magnetic field. It is instead a velocity dependent E
field. The protons also extend a velocity dependent E field, but due
to the assymetry in the relative motions its contribution is less and
due to the geometry of the
relativistic force produced by this component of charge cancels out
leaving an apparent net negative charge of the solenoid as a whole.

By placing a solenoid between the two slits of a diffraction grating
the phase of the passing electron is shifted simply because the
rotational sense of the drifting electrons within the coil are not
symetric wrt the slits. The force will be greater on the electron as
it passes through the slit in which the drifting electrons closer to
it are moving counter to the motion of the electron passing through
the slit. The force on the passing electron will be less through the
other slit. The interference pattern is thus shifted to the right or
left depending upon orientation of the solenoid.

Thanks RP, you have given some to think about. I will do my best to
digest it before Christmas! Just one question. If the solenoid is
shielded, is the same effect observed? Sorry, but I have just gotten
back from a job and haven't researched or thought yet. But I do recall
that electrostatic shielding does not quell the effect?

Thanks, Dan.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Here's a link to an essay that covers it in a bit more detail. I don't
necessarily agree with Weber's equation in the form presented in this
article, but the model in general can be derived from purely logical
considerations. Nor do I necessarily agree with the relativistic
arguments in their entirety, but it should be sufficient to back up my
stance.

http://itis.volta.alessandria.it/episteme/ep6/ep6-galecz.htm

 

[Ross Herbert]

On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:40:11 -0600, "Gene" <genes@wildblue.net> wrote:

We simply want to heat the sphere without having to construct an
oven or other device to supply the heat.

Without some form of enclosure for the sphere, maintaining a fixed and
uniform temperature distribution over the entire surface would be
almost impossible for any length of time.

 

[Michael Moroney]

"Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@excite.com> writes:

A positive electric field is deficient in electrons. A negative electric
field has too many electrons. In the former, the amount of electrons are
less than the number of protons. In the latter, the amount of electrons
exceed the amount of protons.

Wrong. An electric _field_ represents the magnitude and direction of the
force on a small charge placed within the field. If you replace the word
"field" with "charge", your statememt becomes correct. However, since
the magnetic monopole doesn't exist, there is no magnetic equivalent.
The arrows on magnetic lines of force serve only to tell the difference
between the direction of the lines. Physics would remain accurate if
the arrows were reversed, however many signs would need to be changed in
formulas as well as swapping the words "left" and "right" in the
descriptions of left hand rules and right hand rules.

When a CRT screen is negatively-charged and you touch it, the electrons
move into your body, provided another portion of you is touching another
well-conducting material. In this case, the CRT screen emits a negative
electric field that gives out the electrons into you. The conductor
somewhere else on you is initially-positive as it takes those electrons
from you.

That's actually ass-backwards. The anode of a CRT is charged with a very
high POSITIVE voltage. Tens of thousands of volts. This is so the
electrons from the cathode are strongly attracted, and arrive with enough
energy to cause the phosphors in the screen to glow. The electrons in
your fingers like the positive charge as well and will jump to the screen
when you place your finger near it.

Positive sucks in.

Positive blows other positive charges away.

Negative blows out.

Negative sucks in positive charges.

 

[Green Xenon [Radium]]

John Larkin wrote:

"
glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:



When a CRT screen is negatively-charged and you touch it, the electrons
move into your body, provided another portion of you is touching another
well-conducting material.


Wrong.

You might consider taking an introductory physics course at a
community college or something. You're interested in this stuff, but
you keep getting the fundamentals wrong.

John

Okay.

However, don't you agree that the statement "electricity flows from
positive to negative" is wrong?

Electric current consists of electrons which are negatively charged,
hence electricity moves from negative to positive.

If a positive electric field and a negative electric field are placed
close enough to each other, the fields' voltages are sufficent and the
conductance of substances between the fields are adequate, then there
will be an electric current consisting of electrons moving from the
negative electrid field towards the positive electric field.

Electrons [like most entities] will move from an area of higher
concentration [in this case, a negative electric field] to an area of
lower concentration [in this case, positive electric field].

If the current consisted of protons/positrons, then the electric current
would move from positive to negative. Electrons/negatons*, OTOH, move
from negative to positive.

*A negaton is a negative proton.

 

In sci.physics Green Xenon [Radium] <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:08:34 -0800, "Green Xenon [Radium]"
glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:



When a CRT screen is negatively-charged and you touch it, the electrons
move into your body, provided another portion of you is touching another
well-conducting material.


Wrong.

You might consider taking an introductory physics course at a
community college or something. You're interested in this stuff, but
you keep getting the fundamentals wrong.

John


Okay.

However, don't you agree that the statement "electricity flows from
positive to negative" is wrong?

Electric current consists of electrons which are negatively charged,
hence electricity moves from negative to positive.

If a positive electric field and a negative electric field are placed
close enough to each other, the fields' voltages are sufficent and the
conductance of substances between the fields are adequate, then there
will be an electric current consisting of electrons moving from the
negative electrid field towards the positive electric field.

Electrons [like most entities] will move from an area of higher
concentration [in this case, a negative electric field] to an area of
lower concentration [in this case, positive electric field].

If the current consisted of protons/positrons, then the electric current
would move from positive to negative. Electrons/negatons*, OTOH, move
from negative to positive.

*A negaton is a negative proton.

The direction specified is a math convention, not absolute reality.

The current in a proton accelerator, for example, IS protons.

--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.

 

[Autymn D. C.]

On Nov 18, 9:25 am, moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
wrote:

" <gluceg...@excite.com> writes:

Eeyore wrote:
Magnetic 'lines of force' are notional and are most certainly NOT energy.
Why are the lines always depicted as pointing from north to south?

Convention.

pseudovectors, Radium

 

[Autymn D. C.]

On Nov 18, 10:59 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
<ew...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:

gluceg...@excite.com
wrote
on Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:39:25 -0800
473fa494$0$24348$4c368...@roadrunner.com>:

Eeyore wrote:

Magnetic 'lines of force' are notional and are most certainly NOT energy.

Why are the lines always depicted as pointing from north to south?

In a more rational world one might discuss the notion of
"isomags" or some such -- where the force on a hypothetical
tiny magnet [*] is equal. These lines would surround the
poles in circles.

isňdyns/isňduns

 

[Jamie]

Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:

Darwin123 wrote:

On Nov 17, 5:55 pm, "Green Xenon [Radium]" <gluceg...@excite.com
wrote:
Northern magnetic energy is emitted from the side of

the magnet giving out the lines of force. This is analogous to the fact
that negative electrodes give out electrons and positive electrodes take
in electrons in a circuit. The current flows from negative to positive
because electrons are negatively-charged. Similarly, the south side of a
magnet is positive while the north side is negative.



No, this is wrong.
The magnetic field lines are not analogous to electric
current. Electric current constitutes a flow of electric charges, with
rest-mass. Often the electric charges are electrons as in metal wires,
or ions as in salt water. A magnetic current would be a flow of
monopoles, also with a rest mass. As far as has yet been determined,
monopoles do not exist. Even if they were discovered, the magnetic
field is not behaving like a flow of monopoles. The magnetic field is
a field, not a current. A magnetic field line is not a current any
more than a road is a bunch of moving cars.
The magnetic field is loosely analogous to an electric field.
The electric field is not an electric current. A kink in an electric
field lines moves much faster than a electric current. Electric field
line kinks move at the speed of light.
Yes, electric field lines do extend from the positive charge to
the negative charge. They do not move from positive to negative, they
extend from positive to negative. They are considered continuous
entities, not a path of motion. Two electric charges fixed a distance
apart, not moving, can have electric field lines extending between
them. If you let the two charges go, they will move toward each other
ALONG the electric field lines.
Just like magnetic field lines are not considered a path of moving
charges. A electric field is not an electric current any more than a
road is bunch of moving cars.


A positive electric field is deficient in electrons. A negative electric
field has too many electrons. In the former, the amount of electrons are
less than the number of protons. In the latter, the amount of electrons
exceed the amount of protons.

When a CRT screen is negatively-charged and you touch it, the electrons
move into your body, provided another portion of you is touching another
well-conducting material. In this case, the CRT screen emits a negative
electric field that gives out the electrons into you. The conductor
somewhere else on you is initially-positive as it takes those electrons
from you.

Positive sucks in.

Negative blows out.
Ha, Like that last 2 lines.

Is that anything related to Exothermic and endothermic?


--
"I'm never wrong, once i thought i was, but was mistaken"
Real Programmers Do things like this.
http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:03:03 -0800, "Green Xenon [Radium]"
<glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:08:34 -0800, "Green Xenon [Radium]"
glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:



When a CRT screen is negatively-charged and you touch it, the electrons
move into your body, provided another portion of you is touching another
well-conducting material.


Wrong.

You might consider taking an introductory physics course at a
community college or something. You're interested in this stuff, but
you keep getting the fundamentals wrong.

John


Okay.

However, don't you agree that the statement "electricity flows from
positive to negative" is wrong?

No, it's correct by the convention used in physics and engineering.

Conventional current flow is positive from a positive terminal to a
negative terminal. Charge carriers can be electrons, protons, holes,
ions, or charged ping-pong balls.

Electric current consists of electrons which are negatively charged,
hence electricity moves from negative to positive.

Electricity consists of charges, not specifically electrons.

If a positive electric field and a negative electric field are placed
close enough to each other, the fields' voltages are sufficent and the
conductance of substances between the fields are adequate, then there
will be an electric current consisting of electrons moving from the
negative electrid field towards the positive electric field.

Might be ions, or ping-pong balls.

Electrons [like most entities] will move from an area of higher
concentration [in this case, a negative electric field] to an area of
lower concentration [in this case, positive electric field].

If the current consisted of protons/positrons, then the electric current
would move from positive to negative. Electrons/negatons*, OTOH, move
from negative to positive.

*A negaton is a negative proton.

Everybody else calls it an antiproton. They are rare.

John

 

[Gregg]

Gene wrote:

Good day, all.

Problem: Cause a sphere that is 6 feet in diameter and made of
0.05 inch thick plate steel (or other metal?) to reach a uniform skin
temperature
of 300F degrees by using 220 or 440VAC as a source?

First, is it possible?
(I'm sure there are better ways of doing this than making the entire
sphere a shorted heating element - but this question relates only to
whether
it's POSSIBLE, not practical.)

"IF" it's possible, what type of transformer would you use?
That is, what would the OUTPUT in volts, amps, watts, etc be -
assuming that you wanted the sphere to reach a uniform skin
temperature of 300F? Basically, we just want to "short-out" the
sphere & cause it to heat to 300F with AC or DC current - so
what's the transformer design

THANKS,
Gene


Very tough problem,

I would suggest porcelain enamel on the inside or outside. Then apply
thick film resistor elements on the enamel.
The configuration of the resistor pattern could be applied in any
pattern desired.
saying that - I would suggest modeling the whole thing first (FEA) to
design a pattern that would minimize hot spots.

The only issue would be to find an oven large enough to hold a 6'
diameter sphere to apply the PE and resistor coating.
The ovens are out there - getting someone to let you use it is another
thing.....
Gregg

 

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5) 15(50625) = 759375 people ($1) = $759375

As you can see, your $6.00 has multiplied exponentially. What other
opportunity that is as simple as this can cash in the way this can?!
I'm not going to say this is going to make everyone over $800,000,
but
within a few WEEKS you begin to see results, thanks to the speed of
the
internet!

When your name is no longer on the list, take the latest posting in
the
newsgroups and begin the process again. Simply amazing...

One other tip to speed up the process even more:
You can send out your amended post (after you complete the process
and
add your PAYPAL email address to the list) to the contacts you
already
have in YOUR email address book! It is AMAZING how fast this works.
Be
cautious though with your emailing (don't spam hundreds of people you
don't know). Combine this idea with the steps above to MAXIMIZE your
profits. I can't stress enough how this system works wonders. There
is
something to be said when an idea is internationally publicized, just
make sure you take advantage of it (especially for only $6.00!)

Follow the system as described, and enjoy your PROFITS!!!

REMEMBER... HONESTY AND INTEGRITY = PROFITABILITY

YOUR NAME COULD CYCLE FOR A LONG TIME! THIS MAKES IT THE GIFT THAT
KEEPS ON GIVING.

This is excellent seed money to start or expand a business, buy your
dream home, car and pay off whatever bills you may have. Good luck!

HOW TO POST TO NEWS GROUPS?

Use Netscape or Internet Explorer and try searching for various
newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards, chat sites, discussions.)
Log on any search

engine like yahoo.com, google.com, altavista.com, excite.com, etc.,
then search with the subject "millionaire message board; or; money
making message board;

or; employment message board; or making discussions; or ''money making
forum; or; business message board; etc. You will find thousands &
thousands of message

boards.

Click on them one by one and you will find
the option 'post a new message'. Then Post this article as a 'new
message' by highlighting the text of this letter and selecting copy
then paste from the edit menu. Fill in the Subject, this will be the
header that everyone sees as they scroll through the list of postings
in a particular group, click the post message button. You're done with
your first one!

It only takes about 60 seconds to complete postings on message boards
after you catch on.

REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL
MAKE!!

GOOD LUCK!!!!

Have you made money on this yet?
Visit: http://www.freewebs.com/ibsmarter/index.htm
" How to turn $11 into thousands. "
It's almost quite similar but with the spice
It's new and It really is working fast and everyone is doing
it.

 

[Sjouke Burry]

imbnsmarter@yahoo.com wrote:

On Nov 8, 4:37 pm, ltpersonaltrain...@yahoo.com wrote:
As Seen On OPRAH & 20/20 - TURN $6 into $24600

GOOD LUCK!!!!

Have you made money on this yet?

IDIOT. (I decided to give a gentle response.)

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:45:22 -0800 (PST), Darwin123
<drosen0000@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Nov 20, 8:43 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:03:03 -0800, "Green Xenon [Radium]"



gluceg...@excite.com> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:08:34 -0800, "Green Xenon [Radium]"
gluceg...@excite.com> wrote:

When a CRT screen is negatively-charged and you touch it, the electrons
move into your body, provided another portion of you is touching another
well-conducting material.

Wrong.

You might consider taking an introductory physics course at a
community college or something. You're interested in this stuff, but
you keep getting the fundamentals wrong.

John

Okay.

However, don't you agree that the statement "electricity flows from
positive to negative" is wrong?

No, it's correct by the convention used in physics and engineering.

Conventional current flow is positive from a positive terminal to a
negative terminal. Charge carriers can be electrons, protons, holes,
ions, or charged ping-pong balls.



Electric current consists of electrons which are negatively charged,
hence electricity moves from negative to positive.

Electricity consists of charges, not specifically electrons.

Don't encourage someone to continue with a conceptual mistake.
Green Xenon is confusing electric field with electric current. He is
saying that electricity is a flow of charged particles, which is just
like a magnetic field.
The word "electricity" is mostly used to refer to electric
current, not electric field. When he refers to it as a flow of
charges, it is clear that he is using the word in exactly that sense.
However, then he refers to the magnetic field of the earth as being
just like "electricity." This is quite spectacularly wrong. The
magnetic analogue to electric charges are magnetic monopoles. The
words he uses imply that the magnetic field is a flow of monopoles. In
other words, the earth is giving off and reabsorbing monopoles in he
picture. The earth does not spit out magnetic monopoles from Alaska
which drop back down in the Antarctic peninsula.
Its time for a little tough love. If you allow this absurdity, he
will progress to the next irrational idea. Even if there is a germ of
a good idea in what he says, it will be crushed under an avalanche of
dumb.
A field is not the same as a current. An electric field is not
the same as electricity (electric current). A magnetic field is not
the same as a magneticity (a magnetic current).

"Electricity" is sufficiently vague a term that it sort of means an
area of study. There is no SI unit for "electricity."

What Radium ought to do is take a physics course or two to get
grounded in this stuff, and get un-fuzzy.

John

 

[Darwin123]

On Nov 20, 8:43 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

"



gluceg...@excite.com> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:08:34 -0800, "Green Xenon [Radium]"
gluceg...@excite.com> wrote:

When a CRT screen is negatively-charged and you touch it, the electrons
move into your body, provided another portion of you is touching another
well-conducting material.

Wrong.

You might consider taking an introductory physics course at a
community college or something. You're interested in this stuff, but
you keep getting the fundamentals wrong.

John

Okay.

However, don't you agree that the statement "electricity flows from
positive to negative" is wrong?

No, it's correct by the convention used in physics and engineering.

Conventional current flow is positive from a positive terminal to a
negative terminal. Charge carriers can be electrons, protons, holes,
ions, or charged ping-pong balls.



Electric current consists of electrons which are negatively charged,
hence electricity moves from negative to positive.

Electricity consists of charges, not specifically electrons.

Don't encourage someone to continue with a conceptual mistake.

Green Xenon is confusing electric field with electric current. He is
saying that electricity is a flow of charged particles, which is just
like a magnetic field.
The word "electricity" is mostly used to refer to electric
current, not electric field. When he refers to it as a flow of
charges, it is clear that he is using the word in exactly that sense.
However, then he refers to the magnetic field of the earth as being
just like "electricity." This is quite spectacularly wrong. The
magnetic analogue to electric charges are magnetic monopoles. The
words he uses imply that the magnetic field is a flow of monopoles. In
other words, the earth is giving off and reabsorbing monopoles in he
picture. The earth does not spit out magnetic monopoles from Alaska
which drop back down in the Antarctic peninsula.
Its time for a little tough love. If you allow this absurdity, he
will progress to the next irrational idea. Even if there is a germ of
a good idea in what he says, it will be crushed under an avalanche of
dumb.
A field is not the same as a current. An electric field is not
the same as electricity (electric current). A magnetic field is not
the same as a magneticity (a magnetic current).

 

[Don Bowey]

On 11/24/07 1:45 PM, in article
39cd9aa4-1e91-446b-bcb5-ec6047ca6b3b@b40g2000prf.googlegroups.com,
"Darwin123" <drosen0000@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Nov 20, 8:43 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:03:03 -0800, "Green Xenon [Radium]"



gluceg...@excite.com> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:08:34 -0800, "Green Xenon [Radium]"
gluceg...@excite.com> wrote:

When a CRT screen is negatively-charged and you touch it, the electrons
move into your body, provided another portion of you is touching another
well-conducting material.

Wrong.

You might consider taking an introductory physics course at a
community college or something. You're interested in this stuff, but
you keep getting the fundamentals wrong.

John

Okay.

However, don't you agree that the statement "electricity flows from
positive to negative" is wrong?

No, it's correct by the convention used in physics and engineering.

Conventional current flow is positive from a positive terminal to a
negative terminal. Charge carriers can be electrons, protons, holes,
ions, or charged ping-pong balls.



Electric current consists of electrons which are negatively charged,
hence electricity moves from negative to positive.

Electricity consists of charges, not specifically electrons.

Don't encourage someone to continue with a conceptual mistake.
Green Xenon is confusing electric field with electric current. He is
saying that electricity is a flow of charged particles, which is just
like a magnetic field.
The word "electricity" is mostly used to refer to electric
current, not electric field. When he refers to it as a flow of
charges, it is clear that he is using the word in exactly that sense.
However, then he refers to the magnetic field of the earth as being
just like "electricity." This is quite spectacularly wrong. The
magnetic analogue to electric charges are magnetic monopoles. The
words he uses imply that the magnetic field is a flow of monopoles. In
other words, the earth is giving off and reabsorbing monopoles in he
picture. The earth does not spit out magnetic monopoles from Alaska
which drop back down in the Antarctic peninsula.
Its time for a little tough love. If you allow this absurdity, he
will progress to the next irrational idea. Even if there is a germ of
a good idea in what he says, it will be crushed under an avalanche of
dumb.
A field is not the same as a current. An electric field is not
the same as electricity (electric current). A magnetic field is not
the same as a magneticity (a magnetic current).

And he will not accept this from anyone, so he MUST do independent study so
he can UNDERSTAND. I am beginning to doubt his capacity to learn.

 

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