Boris Johnson

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 11:53:12 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 2:35:37 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 08:40:09 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com
wrote:

On 2020/04/07 7:05 a.m., jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 12:28:08 +0100, TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com
wrote:

On 06/04/2020 21:22, Ricky C wrote:
I just read this morning that he was going to the hospital but was "still working". Now they say he is in the ICU. I hope he can get a ventilator if he needs one. What if they run out just before they make that decision?

He'll get one, even at the cost of someone else not getting one.Right
now, we probably have enough.My old company is contracted (as part of a
consortium) to build 15,000 ventilators ona 24/7 shift basis...Oxygen
supplies are getting short too.. No O2, no ventilation...
Just read about some statistics re black americans... 70% deaths yet
only 14% of population ( specific areas, and don't quote me on the
figures I just quote them as 'representative ish..)

The problem with black Americans is the high levels of obesity and
diabetes and other preconditions that make getting any virus more
dangerous. The ratios are not as bad as you suggested, but there is a
high level of C19 morbidity in places with high african-descent
populations.




Lack of adequate health care may be a factor too...

John

Fauci just said that africans aren't infected at higher rates but have
worse outcomes. Other sources claim they have higher infection rates
too. Racism is of course blamed for both effects.

Blood type seems to matter too. Of course there are biological
differences in suceptability; it would be criminal to insist
otherwise. Some people can't get HIV. My wife gets colds and I don't.

I read an agitated article this morning about black people in Chicago,
I believe it was, dying at three times their portion of the population.

A few paragraphs down, it's reported they also have three times the
infection rate, which did nothing to alter the author's premise.

WuFlu is racist.

Cheers,
James Arthur

I believe that people of non-european descent are not adapted to our
diet of sugary drinks and donuts and ice cream and cheseburgers. It
shows especially in Pacific Islanders and native Americans. Asians
seem to do better eating our junk food.

Obesity and diabetes are more common african-americans. That certainly
changes outcomes.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[three_jeeps]

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 4:22:16 PM UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:

I just read this morning that he was going to the hospital but was "still working". Now they say he is in the ICU. I hope he can get a ventilator if he needs one. What if they run out just before they make that decision?

Now I know what Jared Kushner meant when he said the federal stockpile of ventilators was "our stockpile", not for the states. What else is there in this country but the states? Oh, yeah, there are 50 states, Washington, D.C., a few territories and the Trump dynasty. So the federal stockpile of medical equipment is for the Trump dynasty.

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

So...Boris calls the queen and says 'I got the virus, what now?' and the queen responds, "Go cough on Trump!"

 

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 1:01:37 PM UTC-4, legg wrote:

On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 09:10:00 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell
terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

snip

China buys boatloads of used Corrugated Paper Boxes to recycle. I bought a small air compressor a couple years ago. They had glued a new layer on top of pieces cut from larger boxes, rather than make new corrugated paper.

The used paper gets shipped there on empty cargo ships returning from deliveries around the world.

You can't make PPE from recycled cardboard, or newspaper.
Cardboard and newspaper is largely ground-wood (think
construction paper, from Kindergarden)and binder.

Filtering PPE draws heavily on virgin 'sulphite' bales.
Requires heavy chemical processing and post processing
for fibre length and 'wet-strength'.

RL

I found this current article by the modern N-95 mask's electret
filtration's inventor useful:
https://utrf.tennessee.edu/information-faqs-performance-protection-sterilization-of-face-mask-materials/

Summary:
o The mask has a face-seal, an outer water-proofing layer, an
electret charged filtration layer, and a face-contact layer.

o Contact with alcohol ruins the electret.

o Masks can be re-sterilized by 30min of 70°C air, or 3 min of
125° steam.

o A set of masks can also be re-used in rotation, if each is allowed
to rest long enough between uses for any pathogens to degrade.

Good info on masks in general, homemade masks, references, etc.

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 2:35:37 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 08:40:09 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com
wrote:

On 2020/04/07 7:05 a.m., jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 12:28:08 +0100, TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com
wrote:

On 06/04/2020 21:22, Ricky C wrote:
I just read this morning that he was going to the hospital but was "still working". Now they say he is in the ICU. I hope he can get a ventilator if he needs one. What if they run out just before they make that decision?

He'll get one, even at the cost of someone else not getting one.Right
now, we probably have enough.My old company is contracted (as part of a
consortium) to build 15,000 ventilators ona 24/7 shift basis...Oxygen
supplies are getting short too.. No O2, no ventilation...
Just read about some statistics re black americans... 70% deaths yet
only 14% of population ( specific areas, and don't quote me on the
figures I just quote them as 'representative ish..)

The problem with black Americans is the high levels of obesity and
diabetes and other preconditions that make getting any virus more
dangerous. The ratios are not as bad as you suggested, but there is a
high level of C19 morbidity in places with high african-descent
populations.




Lack of adequate health care may be a factor too...

John

Fauci just said that africans aren't infected at higher rates but have
worse outcomes. Other sources claim they have higher infection rates
too. Racism is of course blamed for both effects.

Blood type seems to matter too. Of course there are biological
differences in suceptability; it would be criminal to insist
otherwise. Some people can't get HIV. My wife gets colds and I don't.

I read an agitated article this morning about black people in Chicago,
I believe it was, dying at three times their portion of the population.

A few paragraphs down, it's reported they also have three times the
infection rate, which did nothing to alter the author's premise.

WuFlu is racist.

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-04-08 13:39, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 13:13:25 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-04-08 13:06, legg wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 09:10:00 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell
terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

snip

China buys boatloads of used Corrugated Paper Boxes to recycle. I bought a small air compressor a couple years ago. They had glued a new layer on top of pieces cut from larger boxes, rather than make new corrugated paper.

The used paper gets shipped there on empty cargo ships returning from deliveries around the world.

You can't make PPE from recycled cardboard, or newspaper.
Cardboard and newspaper is largely ground-wood (think
construction paper, from Kindergarden)and binder.

Filtering PPE draws heavily on virgin 'sulphite' bales.
Requires heavy chemical processing and post processing
for fibre length and 'wet-strength'.

RL



Absolute filters are often made by dissolving polyethersulphone or
polyphenyleneethersulphone in an organic solvent such as NMP and adding
water, which makes it into a very uniform foam that can be cast into all
sorts of shapes.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

There's an article in today's paper about making masks. One cuts up
old t-shirts. My favorite is made from a bandana and a coffee filter.

I got a couple of N99s plus refills back at the end of February.

They survive being sprayed with diluted bleach just fine. I gave one of
them to our world traveller, in case she hadn't had Wu 'flu yet.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[Ricky C]

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 2:57:16 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 2020-04-08 13:39, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 13:13:25 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-04-08 13:06, legg wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 09:10:00 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell
terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

snip

China buys boatloads of used Corrugated Paper Boxes to recycle. I bought a small air compressor a couple years ago. They had glued a new layer on top of pieces cut from larger boxes, rather than make new corrugated paper.

The used paper gets shipped there on empty cargo ships returning from deliveries around the world.

You can't make PPE from recycled cardboard, or newspaper.
Cardboard and newspaper is largely ground-wood (think
construction paper, from Kindergarden)and binder.

Filtering PPE draws heavily on virgin 'sulphite' bales.
Requires heavy chemical processing and post processing
for fibre length and 'wet-strength'.

RL



Absolute filters are often made by dissolving polyethersulphone or
polyphenyleneethersulphone in an organic solvent such as NMP and adding
water, which makes it into a very uniform foam that can be cast into all
sorts of shapes.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

There's an article in today's paper about making masks. One cuts up
old t-shirts. My favorite is made from a bandana and a coffee filter.




I got a couple of N99s plus refills back at the end of February.

They survive being sprayed with diluted bleach just fine. I gave one of
them to our world traveller, in case she hadn't had Wu 'flu yet.

Can't these things be sanitized by liberal application of time? I'm told on smooth surfaces the virus may last as long as 72 hours. Surfaces like cardboard it survives only 24 hours.

So laying the mask aside for a day should do a pretty good job of mitigating the risk of reuse.

That's how I cleanse my groceries. I put the cans in the pantry for a few days before use. I let the cardboard boxes sit over night. I wash my hands and face after returning from the store and putting the food away.

Has anyone said diluted bleach will even do anything against this virus? Bleach isn't a cure all necessarily.

--

Rick C.

-++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 4:35:37 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 08:40:09 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com
wrote:

On 2020/04/07 7:05 a.m., jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 12:28:08 +0100, TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com
wrote:

On 06/04/2020 21:22, Ricky C wrote:
I just read this morning that he was going to the hospital but was "still working". Now they say he is in the ICU. I hope he can get a ventilator if he needs one. What if they run out just before they make that decision?

He'll get one, even at the cost of someone else not getting one.Right
now, we probably have enough.My old company is contracted (as part of a
consortium) to build 15,000 ventilators ona 24/7 shift basis...Oxygen
supplies are getting short too.. No O2, no ventilation...
Just read about some statistics re black americans... 70% deaths yet
only 14% of population ( specific areas, and don't quote me on the
figures I just quote them as 'representative ish..)

The problem with black Americans is the high levels of obesity and
diabetes and other preconditions that make getting any virus more
dangerous. The ratios are not as bad as you suggested, but there is a
high level of C19 morbidity in places with high african-descent
populations.

Lack of adequate health care may be a factor too...

Fauci just said that africans aren't infected at higher rates but have
worse outcomes. Other sources claim they have higher infection rates
too. Racism is of course blamed for both effects.

Indirectly. If you are visibly of African descent in the US you are less well-off. Poverty is the direct cause. Racism - some of it racism acting on previous generation - is the root cause of the poverty.

Blood type seems to matter too. Of course there are biological
differences in susceptibility; it would be criminal to insist
otherwise. Some people can't get HIV. My wife gets colds and I don't.

A very few people can't get HIV. There's a lot of genetic variation between individual, not a lot between races, and even less between coloured and non-coloured residents of the US.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Sjouke Burry]

On 09.04.20 4:07, Ricky C wrote:

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 9:46:22 PM UTC-4, speff wrote:
On Wednesday, 8 April 2020 15:50:02 UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:
On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 2:57:16 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-08 13:39, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 13:13:25 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-04-08 13:06, legg wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 09:10:00 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell
terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

snip

China buys boatloads of used Corrugated Paper Boxes to recycle. I bought a small air compressor a couple years ago. They had glued a new layer on top of pieces cut from larger boxes, rather than make new corrugated paper.

The used paper gets shipped there on empty cargo ships returning from deliveries around the world.

You can't make PPE from recycled cardboard, or newspaper.
Cardboard and newspaper is largely ground-wood (think
construction paper, from Kindergarden)and binder.

Filtering PPE draws heavily on virgin 'sulphite' bales.
Requires heavy chemical processing and post processing
for fibre length and 'wet-strength'.

RL



Absolute filters are often made by dissolving polyethersulphone or
polyphenyleneethersulphone in an organic solvent such as NMP and adding
water, which makes it into a very uniform foam that can be cast into all
sorts of shapes.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

There's an article in today's paper about making masks. One cuts up
old t-shirts. My favorite is made from a bandana and a coffee filter.




I got a couple of N99s plus refills back at the end of February.

They survive being sprayed with diluted bleach just fine. I gave one of
them to our world traveller, in case she hadn't had Wu 'flu yet.

Can't these things be sanitized by liberal application of time? I'm told on smooth surfaces the virus may last as long as 72 hours. Surfaces like cardboard it survives only 24 hours.

So laying the mask aside for a day should do a pretty good job of mitigating the risk of reuse.

That's how I cleanse my groceries. I put the cans in the pantry for a few days before use. I let the cardboard boxes sit over night. I wash my hands and face after returning from the store and putting the food away.

Has anyone said diluted bleach will even do anything against this virus? Bleach isn't a cure all necessarily.


Dilute bleach is the general purpose disinfectant for walls, floors etc. recommended by the Chinese in their hospitals. 1000mg/l, so about 50:1 from 5.25% bleach. They recommend leaving it for 30 minutes.

There's the key, 30 minutes. Very few people do that. Like the shopping cart handles, spray, wipe without hesitation.


For higher levels of contamination, more like 10:1.

And for the most critical stuff, peroxyacetic acid, followed by ethylene oxide sterilization.

What happened to 30 seconds of alcohol?


I thought I read that Russians were using something other than bleach in the aid they sent to Italy to clean retirement homes and such like.

Personally, I'm using 10:1 bleach spray for incoming mail, boxes and such like. Soap and water for other things. And a timed temperature-ozone treatment for other things.

We're looking at doing something on a more industrial scale, with a different approach.

I'm happy with the 24 hour treatment. No bleach, no soap and the alcohol stays in my glass.

That reminds me. I'm ready for some more of my cure-all, anti-virus treatment, Basil Hayden. It works best internally. It also has a lot fewer side effects than hydroxychloroquine.

My advice would be to use Glen Talloch, for internal treatment.
Available in 1.5 Liter glass containers.

 

[Ricky C]

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 9:46:22 PM UTC-4, speff wrote:

On Wednesday, 8 April 2020 15:50:02 UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:
On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 2:57:16 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-08 13:39, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 13:13:25 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-04-08 13:06, legg wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 09:10:00 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell
terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

snip

China buys boatloads of used Corrugated Paper Boxes to recycle. I bought a small air compressor a couple years ago. They had glued a new layer on top of pieces cut from larger boxes, rather than make new corrugated paper.

The used paper gets shipped there on empty cargo ships returning from deliveries around the world.

You can't make PPE from recycled cardboard, or newspaper.
Cardboard and newspaper is largely ground-wood (think
construction paper, from Kindergarden)and binder.

Filtering PPE draws heavily on virgin 'sulphite' bales.
Requires heavy chemical processing and post processing
for fibre length and 'wet-strength'.

RL



Absolute filters are often made by dissolving polyethersulphone or
polyphenyleneethersulphone in an organic solvent such as NMP and adding
water, which makes it into a very uniform foam that can be cast into all
sorts of shapes.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

There's an article in today's paper about making masks. One cuts up
old t-shirts. My favorite is made from a bandana and a coffee filter.




I got a couple of N99s plus refills back at the end of February.

They survive being sprayed with diluted bleach just fine. I gave one of
them to our world traveller, in case she hadn't had Wu 'flu yet.

Can't these things be sanitized by liberal application of time? I'm told on smooth surfaces the virus may last as long as 72 hours. Surfaces like cardboard it survives only 24 hours.

So laying the mask aside for a day should do a pretty good job of mitigating the risk of reuse.

That's how I cleanse my groceries. I put the cans in the pantry for a few days before use. I let the cardboard boxes sit over night. I wash my hands and face after returning from the store and putting the food away.

Has anyone said diluted bleach will even do anything against this virus? Bleach isn't a cure all necessarily.


Dilute bleach is the general purpose disinfectant for walls, floors etc. recommended by the Chinese in their hospitals. 1000mg/l, so about 50:1 from 5.25% bleach. They recommend leaving it for 30 minutes.

There's the key, 30 minutes. Very few people do that. Like the shopping cart handles, spray, wipe without hesitation.

For higher levels of contamination, more like 10:1.

And for the most critical stuff, peroxyacetic acid, followed by ethylene oxide sterilization.

What happened to 30 seconds of alcohol?

I thought I read that Russians were using something other than bleach in the aid they sent to Italy to clean retirement homes and such like.

Personally, I'm using 10:1 bleach spray for incoming mail, boxes and such like. Soap and water for other things. And a timed temperature-ozone treatment for other things.

We're looking at doing something on a more industrial scale, with a different approach.

I'm happy with the 24 hour treatment. No bleach, no soap and the alcohol stays in my glass.

That reminds me. I'm ready for some more of my cure-all, anti-virus treatment, Basil Hayden. It works best internally. It also has a lot fewer side effects than hydroxychloroquine.

--

Rick C.

+-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[speff]

On Wednesday, 8 April 2020 15:50:02 UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 2:57:16 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-08 13:39, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 13:13:25 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-04-08 13:06, legg wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 09:10:00 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell
terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

snip

China buys boatloads of used Corrugated Paper Boxes to recycle. I bought a small air compressor a couple years ago. They had glued a new layer on top of pieces cut from larger boxes, rather than make new corrugated paper.

The used paper gets shipped there on empty cargo ships returning from deliveries around the world.

You can't make PPE from recycled cardboard, or newspaper.
Cardboard and newspaper is largely ground-wood (think
construction paper, from Kindergarden)and binder.

Filtering PPE draws heavily on virgin 'sulphite' bales.
Requires heavy chemical processing and post processing
for fibre length and 'wet-strength'.

RL



Absolute filters are often made by dissolving polyethersulphone or
polyphenyleneethersulphone in an organic solvent such as NMP and adding
water, which makes it into a very uniform foam that can be cast into all
sorts of shapes.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

There's an article in today's paper about making masks. One cuts up
old t-shirts. My favorite is made from a bandana and a coffee filter.




I got a couple of N99s plus refills back at the end of February.

They survive being sprayed with diluted bleach just fine. I gave one of
them to our world traveller, in case she hadn't had Wu 'flu yet.

Can't these things be sanitized by liberal application of time? I'm told on smooth surfaces the virus may last as long as 72 hours. Surfaces like cardboard it survives only 24 hours.

So laying the mask aside for a day should do a pretty good job of mitigating the risk of reuse.

That's how I cleanse my groceries. I put the cans in the pantry for a few days before use. I let the cardboard boxes sit over night. I wash my hands and face after returning from the store and putting the food away.

Has anyone said diluted bleach will even do anything against this virus? Bleach isn't a cure all necessarily.

Dilute bleach is the general purpose disinfectant for walls, floors etc. recommended by the Chinese in their hospitals. 1000mg/l, so about 50:1 from 5.25% bleach. They recommend leaving it for 30 minutes.

For higher levels of contamination, more like 10:1.

And for the most critical stuff, peroxyacetic acid, followed by ethylene oxide sterilization.

I thought I read that Russians were using something other than bleach in the aid they sent to Italy to clean retirement homes and such like.

Personally, I'm using 10:1 bleach spray for incoming mail, boxes and such like. Soap and water for other things. And a timed temperature-ozone treatment for other things.

We're looking at doing something on a more industrial scale, with a different approach.

-- Spehro Pefhany

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 4:53:19 AM UTC+10, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 2:35:37 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 08:40:09 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com
wrote:

On 2020/04/07 7:05 a.m., jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 12:28:08 +0100, TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com
wrote:

On 06/04/2020 21:22, Ricky C wrote:
I just read this morning that he was going to the hospital but was "still working". Now they say he is in the ICU. I hope he can get a ventilator if he needs one. What if they run out just before they make that decision?

He'll get one, even at the cost of someone else not getting one.Right
now, we probably have enough.My old company is contracted (as part of a
consortium) to build 15,000 ventilators ona 24/7 shift basis...Oxygen
supplies are getting short too.. No O2, no ventilation...
Just read about some statistics re black americans... 70% deaths yet
only 14% of population ( specific areas, and don't quote me on the
figures I just quote them as 'representative ish..)

The problem with black Americans is the high levels of obesity and
diabetes and other preconditions that make getting any virus more
dangerous. The ratios are not as bad as you suggested, but there is a
high level of C19 morbidity in places with high african-descent
populations.




Lack of adequate health care may be a factor too...

John

Fauci just said that africans aren't infected at higher rates but have
worse outcomes. Other sources claim they have higher infection rates
too. Racism is of course blamed for both effects.

Blood type seems to matter too. Of course there are biological
differences in suceptability; it would be criminal to insist
otherwise. Some people can't get HIV. My wife gets colds and I don't.

I read an agitated article this morning about black people in Chicago,
I believe it was, dying at three times their portion of the population.

A few paragraphs down, it's reported they also have three times the
infection rate, which did nothing to alter the author's premise.

WuFlu is racist.

Covid-19 is opportunist. If poor people are more densely packed in their smaller houses, it's easier for the Covid-19 virus to move on from one victim to the next.

You have to control for population density before you can blame heritable differences.

Or you ought to. James Arthur needs to churn out his quota of right-wing propaganda, and has to ignore intellectual rigor.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2020-04-08, Michael Terrell <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 10:55:11 AM UTC-4, legg wrote:

3M's bulk capacity to produce medical paper products
is in China. These Chinese plants were recently caught
redirecting shipments for their European customers to
the States. What do you call that?


When did China stop seizing the entire production for their own use? 3M can only ship Chinese made products to where China grants the permits. That's the problem with globalization. you are at the mercy of the local thuggery and their on the fly decisions. I'd like to see you force the Chinese government to release what you've ordered when they have seized it, and paid the OEM their wholesale price.

When they stopped needing it.

I don't know where they get THAT pulp from - I expect
that they couldn't care less.


China buys boatloads of used Corrugated Paper Boxes to recycle. I
bought a small air compressor a couple years ago. They had glued a new
layer on top of pieces cut from larger boxes, rather than make new
corrugated paper.

Such a strategy seems problematic, are you sure it was used pasper,
and not new misprints or other factory waste

> The used paper gets shipped there on empty cargo ships returning from deliveries around the world.

Crushed into bales I doubt that it can be reused for anythiong other
than making pulp, or perhaps shredded as packing material if it can be
sterilised properly.

--
Jasen.

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 09/04/20 08:54, Martin Brown wrote:

I wonder how many people will come out of this coronavirus lockdown crisis with
an OCD handwashing disorder afterwards.

My mother, for a start. Although things do tend to
get through after several repetitions.

 

[Martin Brown]

On 08/04/2020 20:49, Ricky C wrote:

Has anyone said diluted bleach will even do anything against this
virus? Bleach isn't a cure all necessarily.

The virus is quite a fragile thing which is why they are so strongly
recommending *WASH YOUR HANDS* and don't touch your face as important
countermeasures for the public to take. Soap and warm water kills it
pretty quickly so I'd expect most surfactants or anything mildly caustic
at pH8 or above would work too. Stripping your skin oils isn't wise.

Soap is less damaging to our skin than most other alternatives:

https://www.qub.ac.uk/coronavirus/analysis-commentary/how-soap-kills-covid-19-virus/

Note that he says plain old soap and water is considerably more
effective than the alcohol hand sanitiser gels that are so hard to find.

I wonder how many people will come out of this coronavirus lockdown
crisis with an OCD handwashing disorder afterwards.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[mpm]

On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 3:55:08 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:

I wonder how many people will come out of this coronavirus lockdown
crisis with an OCD handwashing disorder afterwards.

A first order approximation would be about as many as will come away with a fifty-year supply of hand sanitizer!

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 3:32:54 AM UTC-4, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2020-04-08, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 10:55:11 AM UTC-4, legg wrote:

3M's bulk capacity to produce medical paper products
is in China. These Chinese plants were recently caught
redirecting shipments for their European customers to
the States. What do you call that?


When did China stop seizing the entire production for their own use? 3M can only ship Chinese made products to where China grants the permits. That's the problem with globalization. you are at the mercy of the local thuggery and their on the fly decisions. I'd like to see you force the Chinese government to release what you've ordered when they have seized it, and paid the OEM their wholesale price.

When they stopped needing it.

I don't know where they get THAT pulp from - I expect
that they couldn't care less.


China buys boatloads of used Corrugated Paper Boxes to recycle. I
bought a small air compressor a couple years ago. They had glued a new
layer on top of pieces cut from larger boxes, rather than make new
corrugated paper.

Such a strategy seems problematic, are you sure it was used pasper,
and not new misprints or other factory waste

Only the outer parts of the bales are useless. It was obvious that the four sides were cut from larger boxes, since the corregations were not straight and from the edge you could clearly see the new layer that was glued onto what had been the inside of larger boxes. Corrugated paper is made from fat sheets, a sheet that has been through the corrugator, and sprayed with liquid starch. I've seen it first hand in many factories. It is a noisy and dangerous process, that used high pressure steam to clean the starch reside from the machines.

My dad worked in the industry for 25 years, and I repaired industrial electronics in many of the paper companies in my area.

If that box was new, it would have been made from one sheet, not six.

The used paper gets shipped there on empty cargo ships returning from deliveries around the world.

Crushed into bales I doubt that it can be reused for anything other
than making pulp, or perhaps shredded as packing material if it can be
sterilised properly.

--
Jasen.

 

[Ricky C]

On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 1:35:36 PM UTC-4, mpm wrote:

On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 3:55:08 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:

I wonder how many people will come out of this coronavirus lockdown
crisis with an OCD handwashing disorder afterwards.

A first order approximation would be about as many as will come away with a fifty-year supply of hand sanitizer!

Why would anyone hoard hand sanitizer? They can get all they want at Walmart entrances.

--

Rick C.

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[Ricky C]

On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 3:45:45 PM UTC-4, mpm wrote:

And what about toilet paper?
Were the public bathrooms at Walmart ransacked?

I wouldn't put it past some people.

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

I appreciate your not taking (or at least not expressing) offense at my Walmart jokes.

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[John Larkin]

On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 12:45:40 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@aol.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 3:07:27 PM UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:
On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 1:35:36 PM UTC-4, mpm wrote:
On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 3:55:08 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:

I wonder how many people will come out of this coronavirus lockdown
crisis with an OCD handwashing disorder afterwards.

A first order approximation would be about as many as will come away with a fifty-year supply of hand sanitizer!

Why would anyone hoard hand sanitizer? They can get all they want at Walmart entrances.


Maybe so, but you have to bring your own batteries to get it.

And what about toilet paper?
Were the public bathrooms at Walmart ransacked?

I wouldn't put it past some people.

We have friends who never buy sugar. They steal the little packets
from cafes.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

[mpm]

On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 3:07:27 PM UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:

On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 1:35:36 PM UTC-4, mpm wrote:
On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 3:55:08 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:

I wonder how many people will come out of this coronavirus lockdown
crisis with an OCD handwashing disorder afterwards.

A first order approximation would be about as many as will come away with a fifty-year supply of hand sanitizer!

Why would anyone hoard hand sanitizer? They can get all they want at Walmart entrances.

Maybe so, but you have to bring your own batteries to get it.

And what about toilet paper?
Were the public bathrooms at Walmart ransacked?

I wouldn't put it past some people.