Boris Johnson

[Ricky C]

I just read this morning that he was going to the hospital but was "still working". Now they say he is in the ICU. I hope he can get a ventilator if he needs one. What if they run out just before they make that decision?

Now I know what Jared Kushner meant when he said the federal stockpile of ventilators was "our stockpile", not for the states. What else is there in this country but the states? Oh, yeah, there are 50 states, Washington, D.C., a few territories and the Trump dynasty. So the federal stockpile of medical equipment is for the Trump dynasty.

--

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On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 4:22:16 PM UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:

I just read this morning that he was going to the hospital but was "still working". Now they say he is in the ICU. I hope he can get a ventilator if he needs one. What if they run out just before they make that decision?

Now I know what Jared Kushner meant when he said the federal stockpile of ventilators was "our stockpile", not for the states. What else is there in this country but the states? Oh, yeah, there are 50 states, Washington, D.C., a few territories and the Trump dynasty. So the federal stockpile of medical equipment is for the Trump dynasty.

The ventilator is not a cure. about 40% of the people die, it may be more or less for his age range and health status. Being placed in ICU is not a good sign. One characteristic of this disease is that the end stage symptoms come on really fast, as in hours.

--

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[Winfield Hill]

bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote...

The ventilator is not a cure. about 40% of the people die,
it may be more or less for his age range and health status.
Being placed in ICU is not a good sign. One characteristic
of this disease is that the end stage symptoms come on really
fast, as in hours.

Of those who survive Covid-19 with a ventilator, a significant
fraction are severely compromised, and take years to recover,
they say. Except we don't have years of experience, to be able
to say that they ever recover.


--
Thanks,
- Win

 

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 6:01:18 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On 6 Apr 2020 14:04:52 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com
wrote:

bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote...

The ventilator is not a cure. about 40% of the people die,
it may be more or less for his age range and health status.
Being placed in ICU is not a good sign. One characteristic
of this disease is that the end stage symptoms come on really
fast, as in hours.

Of those who survive Covid-19 with a ventilator, a significant
fraction are severely compromised, and take years to recover,
they say. Except we don't have years of experience, to be able
to say that they ever recover.

"12 Facts About Pulmonary Fibrosis Prognosis and Life Expectancy"
https://pulmonaryfibrosisnews.com/2019/08/16/twelve-facts-about-pulmonary-fibrosis-prognosis-and-life-expectancy/
The average life expectancy of patients with pulmonary
fibrosis is three to five years after diagnosis.

The problem is that COVID-19 survivors lose some percentage of their
lung capacity. Any remaining avioli, that continue to function,
attempt to take up the slack, but are easily overloaded. The result
is:
Each year as the disease progresses, pulmonary fibrosis
patients will lose an average of between 150 mL and 200 mL
of lung capacity...
Lung tidal volume is about 500 mL:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_volume

Something has got to kill you in the end.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On 6 Apr 2020 14:04:52 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com>
wrote:

bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote...

The ventilator is not a cure. about 40% of the people die,
it may be more or less for his age range and health status.
Being placed in ICU is not a good sign. One characteristic
of this disease is that the end stage symptoms come on really
fast, as in hours.

Of those who survive Covid-19 with a ventilator, a significant
fraction are severely compromised, and take years to recover,
they say. Except we don't have years of experience, to be able
to say that they ever recover.

"12 Facts About Pulmonary Fibrosis Prognosis and Life Expectancy"
<https://pulmonaryfibrosisnews.com/2019/08/16/twelve-facts-about-pulmonary-fibrosis-prognosis-and-life-expectancy/>
The average life expectancy of patients with pulmonary
fibrosis is three to five years after diagnosis.

The problem is that COVID-19 survivors lose some percentage of their
lung capacity. Any remaining avioli, that continue to function,
attempt to take up the slack, but are easily overloaded. The result
is:
Each year as the disease progresses, pulmonary fibrosis
patients will lose an average of between 150 mL and 200 mL
of lung capacity...
Lung tidal volume is about 500 mL:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_volume>


--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 5:05:06 PM UTC-4, Winfield Hill wrote:

bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote...

The ventilator is not a cure. about 40% of the people die,
it may be more or less for his age range and health status.
Being placed in ICU is not a good sign. One characteristic
of this disease is that the end stage symptoms come on really
fast, as in hours.

Of those who survive Covid-19 with a ventilator, a significant
fraction are severely compromised, and take years to recover,
they say. Except we don't have years of experience, to be able
to say that they ever recover.


--
Thanks,
- Win

Small surveys of recovered patients from Hong Kong have revealed a bunch of problems. This is the really bad one, you'll be visiting a pulmonologist for the rest of your life:

Suspected pulmonary fibrosis

Further investigations of the recovered COVID-19 patients must now be conducted to show whether they have developed pulmonary fibrosis — scarring in the lungs. Over time, the scar tissue can destroy the normal lung and make it hard for oxygen to get into the blood. Low oxygen levels (and the stiff scar tissue itself) can cause shortness of breath, particularly during physical exertion.

Lung fibrosis cannot be cured because the scarred changes in the lung tissue do not regress. But the progression of pulmonary fibrosis can be delayed and sometimes even stopped if detected in time.

And...
Now researchers in Hong Kong have said that recovered coronavirus patients can be left with damaged lungs.

A small study of 12 patients discharged from hospital showed that two or three had reduced lung function. However, it is too early to confirm any long-term effects.

"In some patients, lung function could decline by about 20 to 30% after recovery," says Dr. Owen Tsang Tak-yin, medical director of the Infectious Diseases Centre at Princess Margaret Hospital in Hong Kong.

Computer tomography have shown fluid- or debris-filled sacs in the lungs, which may get progressively worse as the illness develops.

The findings from Hong Kong confirm very early investigations from Wuhan in early February 2020. In a recent study, scientists from Zhongnam Hospital of Wuhan University analyzed 140 lung scans of COVID-19 patients and found a ground glass opacity in both lungs of each patient. { which is usually an indication of that alveolar pneumonia]

They're also observing organ damage in some patients, the heart and liver. The liver can recover but the heart can't.

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-04-06 18:01, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On 6 Apr 2020 14:04:52 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com
wrote:

bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote...

The ventilator is not a cure. about 40% of the people die,
it may be more or less for his age range and health status.
Being placed in ICU is not a good sign. One characteristic
of this disease is that the end stage symptoms come on really
fast, as in hours.

Of those who survive Covid-19 with a ventilator, a significant
fraction are severely compromised, and take years to recover,
they say. Except we don't have years of experience, to be able
to say that they ever recover.

"12 Facts About Pulmonary Fibrosis Prognosis and Life Expectancy"
https://pulmonaryfibrosisnews.com/2019/08/16/twelve-facts-about-pulmonary-fibrosis-prognosis-and-life-expectancy/
The average life expectancy of patients with pulmonary
fibrosis is three to five years after diagnosis.

The problem is that COVID-19 survivors lose some percentage of their
lung capacity. Any remaining avioli, that continue to function,
attempt to take up the slack, but are easily overloaded. The result
is:
Each year as the disease progresses, pulmonary fibrosis
patients will lose an average of between 150 mL and 200 mL
of lung capacity...
Lung tidal volume is about 500 mL:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_volume

My maternal grandfather, Murdo Nicolson, was badly gassed at St Julien
in April, 2015 (the first gas attack on the Western Front). He lost
about half of his lung function to fibrosis, spent months in the
hospital,(*) and lived to be 87.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

(*)where he reconnected with Evelyn Vice, a nurse whom he had known in
Canada and who became his wife--a great story that you can read about in
the official centennial exposition of the Battle of Arras
<https://www.regardsdesoldats.com/86-nicolson&gt. After nearly four
years at the front, he had pretty bad PTSD, which complicated their
family life, but they stayed married until his death.

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 20:23:13 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-04-06 18:01, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On 6 Apr 2020 14:04:52 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com
wrote:

bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote...

The ventilator is not a cure. about 40% of the people die,
it may be more or less for his age range and health status.
Being placed in ICU is not a good sign. One characteristic
of this disease is that the end stage symptoms come on really
fast, as in hours.

Of those who survive Covid-19 with a ventilator, a significant
fraction are severely compromised, and take years to recover,
they say. Except we don't have years of experience, to be able
to say that they ever recover.

"12 Facts About Pulmonary Fibrosis Prognosis and Life Expectancy"
https://pulmonaryfibrosisnews.com/2019/08/16/twelve-facts-about-pulmonary-fibrosis-prognosis-and-life-expectancy/
The average life expectancy of patients with pulmonary
fibrosis is three to five years after diagnosis.

The problem is that COVID-19 survivors lose some percentage of their
lung capacity. Any remaining avioli, that continue to function,
attempt to take up the slack, but are easily overloaded. The result
is:
Each year as the disease progresses, pulmonary fibrosis
patients will lose an average of between 150 mL and 200 mL
of lung capacity...
Lung tidal volume is about 500 mL:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_volume



My maternal grandfather, Murdo Nicolson, was badly gassed at St Julien
in April, 2015 (the first gas attack on the Western Front). He lost
about half of his lung function to fibrosis, spent months in the
hospital,(*) and lived to be 87.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

(*)where he reconnected with Evelyn Vice, a nurse whom he had known in
Canada and who became his wife--a great story that you can read about in
the official centennial exposition of the Battle of Arras
https://www.regardsdesoldats.com/86-nicolson&gt. After nearly four
years at the front, he had pretty bad PTSD, which complicated their
family life, but they stayed married until his death.

That's sweet. I hope they were happy.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[Flyguy]

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 5:23:24 PM UTC-7, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 2020-04-06 18:01, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On 6 Apr 2020 14:04:52 -0700, Winfield Hill <winfieldhill@yahoo.com
wrote:

bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote...

The ventilator is not a cure. about 40% of the people die,
it may be more or less for his age range and health status.
Being placed in ICU is not a good sign. One characteristic
of this disease is that the end stage symptoms come on really
fast, as in hours.

Of those who survive Covid-19 with a ventilator, a significant
fraction are severely compromised, and take years to recover,
they say. Except we don't have years of experience, to be able
to say that they ever recover.

"12 Facts About Pulmonary Fibrosis Prognosis and Life Expectancy"
https://pulmonaryfibrosisnews.com/2019/08/16/twelve-facts-about-pulmonary-fibrosis-prognosis-and-life-expectancy/
The average life expectancy of patients with pulmonary
fibrosis is three to five years after diagnosis.

The problem is that COVID-19 survivors lose some percentage of their
lung capacity. Any remaining avioli, that continue to function,
attempt to take up the slack, but are easily overloaded. The result
is:
Each year as the disease progresses, pulmonary fibrosis
patients will lose an average of between 150 mL and 200 mL
of lung capacity...
Lung tidal volume is about 500 mL:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_volume



My maternal grandfather, Murdo Nicolson, was badly gassed at St Julien
in April, 2015 (the first gas attack on the Western Front). He lost
about half of his lung function to fibrosis, spent months in the
hospital,(*) and lived to be 87.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

(*)where he reconnected with Evelyn Vice, a nurse whom he had known in
Canada and who became his wife--a great story that you can read about in
the official centennial exposition of the Battle of Arras
https://www.regardsdesoldats.com/86-nicolson&gt. After nearly four
years at the front, he had pretty bad PTSD, which complicated their
family life, but they stayed married until his death.

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

Don't you mean 1915? It would be a shame to hear that hostilities have broken out AGAIN between the Germans and the French.

 

[Flyguy]

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 1:22:16 PM UTC-7, Ricky C wrote:

I just read this morning that he was going to the hospital but was "still working". Now they say he is in the ICU. I hope he can get a ventilator if he needs one. What if they run out just before they make that decision?

Now I know what Jared Kushner meant when he said the federal stockpile of ventilators was "our stockpile", not for the states. What else is there in this country but the states? Oh, yeah, there are 50 states, Washington, D.C., a few territories and the Trump dynasty. So the federal stockpile of medical equipment is for the Trump dynasty.

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

He did say "our" but he NEVER said "not the states." "Our" refers to the United States of America, not an individual or even a governor's. Just more libtard Trump bashing.

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 20:23:13 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

My maternal grandfather, Murdo Nicolson, was badly gassed at St Julien
in April, 2015 (the first gas attack on the Western Front). He lost
about half of his lung function to fibrosis, spent months in the
hospital,(*) and lived to be 87.

Once the surface of the lungs is converted to scar tissue it doesn't
recover and go back to functioning as a gas exchanger. The effect
tends to be permanent and degenerative. It is possible to live with
only one lung, or as in your grandfathers case, 50% total lung
capacity. What makes COVID-19 different is that it often affects the
entire surface of the lung, not just sections. Chances of recovery
from such an overwhelming loss of lung function is unlikely. Why
COVID-19 barely effects some people, while killing others, is still
not known.

(*)where he reconnected with Evelyn Vice, a nurse whom he had known in
Canada and who became his wife--a great story that you can read about in
the official centennial exposition of the Battle of Arras
https://www.regardsdesoldats.com/86-nicolson&gt. After nearly four
years at the front, he had pretty bad PTSD, which complicated their
family life, but they stayed married until his death.

I'm glad he survived or we would not be having this conversation.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Ricky C]

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 10:50:43 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 1:22:16 PM UTC-7, Ricky C wrote:
I just read this morning that he was going to the hospital but was "still working". Now they say he is in the ICU. I hope he can get a ventilator if he needs one. What if they run out just before they make that decision?

Now I know what Jared Kushner meant when he said the federal stockpile of ventilators was "our stockpile", not for the states. What else is there in this country but the states? Oh, yeah, there are 50 states, Washington, D.C., a few territories and the Trump dynasty. So the federal stockpile of medical equipment is for the Trump dynasty.

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

He did say "our" but he NEVER said "not the states." "Our" refers to the United States of America, not an individual or even a governor's. Just more libtard Trump bashing.

Have you ever looked up an item yourself rather than requiring everyone else to do your work. At the moment it's hard to visit a web page without finding a reference to Jared Kushner making a fool of himself with this quote....

"The notion of the federal stockpile is that it's supposed to be our stockpile. It's not supposed to be states' stockpiles that they then use."

That couldn't be any more clear. It was in response to data showing requests from the states to release material from the stockpile to the states was reasonable based on the need. Sounds lot like a "NO" to me.

I know this won't make any difference to you. You will still work hard to spin it to suit your tastes. But I like making you work. I expect you can use the exercise.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Ricky C]

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 3:12:15 AM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:

On 2020/04/06 10:36 p.m., Ricky C wrote:

Have you ever looked up an item yourself rather than requiring everyone else to do your work. At the moment it's hard to visit a web page without finding a reference to Jared Kushner making a fool of himself with this quote...

"The notion of the federal stockpile is that it's supposed to be our stockpile. It's not supposed to be states' stockpiles that they then use."

It would be nice to know exactly who "our stockpile" is for. Perhaps the
rich/powerful and their families? That seems to be in line with Trumps'
behaviour...

I think it is even worse than that. His comments aren't about who will use the supplies, it is about who *controls* the supplies. It's about power.

That couldn't be any more clear. It was in response to data showing requests from the states to release material from the stockpile to the states was reasonable based on the need. Sounds lot like a "NO" to me.

Like pressuring 3M to stop shipments to Canada and elsewhere - when 3M
gets the materials needed to MAKE the masks from Canada and elsewhere.
They don't grow in the vacuum between Trumps' ears...


I know this won't make any difference to you. You will still work hard to spin it to suit your tastes. But I like making you work. I expect you can use the exercise.


Once people start saying things like libtards, they are lost to reason.
Sad, they could have been adults, instead they are like small children
locked in their sandbox mentality.

I know. In reality there is very little accomplished in these discussions other than increased polarization. I do find that I learn a lot in the grand scheme. If I read a new report, I very seldom research to see what parts are right and which are off the mark. But when someone says something stupid here, I am motivated to find out just how stupid they really are.

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[John Robertson]

On 2020/04/06 10:36 p.m., Ricky C wrote:

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 10:50:43 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 1:22:16 PM UTC-7, Ricky C wrote:
I just read this morning that he was going to the hospital but was "still working". Now they say he is in the ICU. I hope he can get a ventilator if he needs one. What if they run out just before they make that decision?

Now I know what Jared Kushner meant when he said the federal stockpile of ventilators was "our stockpile", not for the states. What else is there in this country but the states? Oh, yeah, there are 50 states, Washington, D.C., a few territories and the Trump dynasty. So the federal stockpile of medical equipment is for the Trump dynasty.

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

He did say "our" but he NEVER said "not the states." "Our" refers to the United States of America, not an individual or even a governor's. Just more libtard Trump bashing.

Have you ever looked up an item yourself rather than requiring everyone else to do your work. At the moment it's hard to visit a web page without finding a reference to Jared Kushner making a fool of himself with this quote...

"The notion of the federal stockpile is that it's supposed to be our stockpile. It's not supposed to be states' stockpiles that they then use."

It would be nice to know exactly who "our stockpile" is for. Perhaps the
rich/powerful and their families? That seems to be in line with Trumps'
behaviour...

That couldn't be any more clear. It was in response to data showing requests from the states to release material from the stockpile to the states was reasonable based on the need. Sounds lot like a "NO" to me.

Like pressuring 3M to stop shipments to Canada and elsewhere - when 3M
gets the materials needed to MAKE the masks from Canada and elsewhere.
They don't grow in the vacuum between Trumps' ears...

I know this won't make any difference to you. You will still work hard to spin it to suit your tastes. But I like making you work. I expect you can use the exercise.

Once people start saying things like libtards, they are lost to reason.
Sad, they could have been adults, instead they are like small children
locked in their sandbox mentality.

John

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 3:12:15 AM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:

On 2020/04/06 10:36 p.m., Ricky C wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 10:50:43 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 1:22:16 PM UTC-7, Ricky C wrote:
I just read this morning that he was going to the hospital but was "still working". Now they say he is in the ICU. I hope he can get a ventilator if he needs one. What if they run out just before they make that decision?

Now I know what Jared Kushner meant when he said the federal stockpile of ventilators was "our stockpile", not for the states. What else is there in this country but the states? Oh, yeah, there are 50 states, Washington, D.C., a few territories and the Trump dynasty. So the federal stockpile of medical equipment is for the Trump dynasty.

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

He did say "our" but he NEVER said "not the states." "Our" refers to the United States of America, not an individual or even a governor's. Just more libtard Trump bashing.

Have you ever looked up an item yourself rather than requiring everyone else to do your work. At the moment it's hard to visit a web page without finding a reference to Jared Kushner making a fool of himself with this quote...

"The notion of the federal stockpile is that it's supposed to be our stockpile. It's not supposed to be states' stockpiles that they then use."

It would be nice to know exactly who "our stockpile" is for. Perhaps the
rich/powerful and their families? That seems to be in line with Trumps'
behaviour...


That couldn't be any more clear. It was in response to data showing requests from the states to release material from the stockpile to the states was reasonable based on the need. Sounds lot like a "NO" to me.

Like pressuring 3M to stop shipments to Canada and elsewhere - when 3M
gets the materials needed to MAKE the masks from Canada and elsewhere.
They don't grow in the vacuum between Trumps' ears...

There are millions of acres of tree farms in the United states that grow trees to build homes, and to make paper. The company my dad retired from had 1.5 million acres that they owned outright. It was obvious from the early days of manufacturing Corrugated Paper Boxes that they needed a steady suppl of pulp, and at a fixed price. None of that acreage is in Canada.

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-04-06 22:54, Flyguy wrote:

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 5:23:24 PM UTC-7, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-06 18:01, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On 6 Apr 2020 14:04:52 -0700, Winfield Hill
winfieldhill@yahoo.com> wrote:

bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote...

The ventilator is not a cure. about 40% of the people die, it
may be more or less for his age range and health status.
Being placed in ICU is not a good sign. One characteristic
of this disease is that the end stage symptoms come on
really fast, as in hours.

Of those who survive Covid-19 with a ventilator, a significant
fraction are severely compromised, and take years to recover,
they say. Except we don't have years of experience, to be
able to say that they ever recover.

"12 Facts About Pulmonary Fibrosis Prognosis and Life
Expectancy"
https://pulmonaryfibrosisnews.com/2019/08/16/twelve-facts-about-pulmonary-fibrosis-prognosis-and-life-expectancy/


The average life expectancy of patients with pulmonary
fibrosis is three to five years after diagnosis.

The problem is that COVID-19 survivors lose some percentage of
their lung capacity. Any remaining avioli, that continue to
function, attempt to take up the slack, but are easily
overloaded. The result is: Each year as the disease progresses,
pulmonary fibrosis patients will lose an average of between 150
mL and 200 mL of lung capacity... Lung tidal volume is about 500
mL: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_volume



My maternal grandfather, Murdo Nicolson, was badly gassed at St
Julien in April, 2015 (the first gas attack on the Western Front).
He lost about half of his lung function to fibrosis, spent months
in the hospital,(*) and lived to be 87.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

(*)where he reconnected with Evelyn Vice, a nurse whom he had known
in Canada and who became his wife--a great story that you can read
about in the official centennial exposition of the Battle of Arras
https://www.regardsdesoldats.com/86-nicolson&gt. After nearly
four years at the front, he had pretty bad PTSD, which complicated
their family life, but they stayed married until his death.

-- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical
Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics,
Photonics, Analog Electronics Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net http://hobbs-eo.com

Don't you mean 1915? It would be a shame to hear that hostilities
have broken out AGAIN between the Germans and the French.

Those darn 2-digit years.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[TTman]

On 06/04/2020 21:22, Ricky C wrote:
> I just read this morning that he was going to the hospital but was "still working". Now they say he is in the ICU. I hope he can get a ventilator if he needs one. What if they run out just before they make that decision?

He'll get one, even at the cost of someone else not getting one.Right
now, we probably have enough.My old company is contracted (as part of a
consortium) to build 15,000 ventilators ona 24/7 shift basis...Oxygen
supplies are getting short too.. No O2, no ventilation...
Just read about some statistics re black americans... 70% deaths yet
only 14% of population ( specific areas, and don't quote me on the
figures I just quote them as 'representative ish..)


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On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 12:28:08 +0100, TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com>
wrote:

On 06/04/2020 21:22, Ricky C wrote:
I just read this morning that he was going to the hospital but was "still working". Now they say he is in the ICU. I hope he can get a ventilator if he needs one. What if they run out just before they make that decision?

He'll get one, even at the cost of someone else not getting one.Right
now, we probably have enough.My old company is contracted (as part of a
consortium) to build 15,000 ventilators ona 24/7 shift basis...Oxygen
supplies are getting short too.. No O2, no ventilation...
Just read about some statistics re black americans... 70% deaths yet
only 14% of population ( specific areas, and don't quote me on the
figures I just quote them as 'representative ish..)

The problem with black Americans is the high levels of obesity and
diabetes and other preconditions that make getting any virus more
dangerous. The ratios are not as bad as you suggested, but there is a
high level of C19 morbidity in places with high african-descent
populations.



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[John Robertson]

On 2020/04/07 7:05 a.m., jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 12:28:08 +0100, TTman <kraken.sankey@gmail.com
wrote:

On 06/04/2020 21:22, Ricky C wrote:
I just read this morning that he was going to the hospital but was "still working". Now they say he is in the ICU. I hope he can get a ventilator if he needs one. What if they run out just before they make that decision?

He'll get one, even at the cost of someone else not getting one.Right
now, we probably have enough.My old company is contracted (as part of a
consortium) to build 15,000 ventilators ona 24/7 shift basis...Oxygen
supplies are getting short too.. No O2, no ventilation...
Just read about some statistics re black americans... 70% deaths yet
only 14% of population ( specific areas, and don't quote me on the
figures I just quote them as 'representative ish..)

The problem with black Americans is the high levels of obesity and
diabetes and other preconditions that make getting any virus more
dangerous. The ratios are not as bad as you suggested, but there is a
high level of C19 morbidity in places with high african-descent
populations.

Lack of adequate health care may be a factor too...

John

 

[John Robertson]

On 2020/04/07 4:24 a.m., Michael Terrell wrote:

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 3:12:15 AM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:
On 2020/04/06 10:36 p.m., Ricky C wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 10:50:43 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 1:22:16 PM UTC-7, Ricky C wrote:
I just read this morning that he was going to the hospital but was "still working". Now they say he is in the ICU. I hope he can get a ventilator if he needs one. What if they run out just before they make that decision?

Now I know what Jared Kushner meant when he said the federal stockpile of ventilators was "our stockpile", not for the states. What else is there in this country but the states? Oh, yeah, there are 50 states, Washington, D.C., a few territories and the Trump dynasty. So the federal stockpile of medical equipment is for the Trump dynasty.

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He did say "our" but he NEVER said "not the states." "Our" refers to the United States of America, not an individual or even a governor's. Just more libtard Trump bashing.

Have you ever looked up an item yourself rather than requiring everyone else to do your work. At the moment it's hard to visit a web page without finding a reference to Jared Kushner making a fool of himself with this quote...

"The notion of the federal stockpile is that it's supposed to be our stockpile. It's not supposed to be states' stockpiles that they then use."

It would be nice to know exactly who "our stockpile" is for. Perhaps the
rich/powerful and their families? That seems to be in line with Trumps'
behaviour...


That couldn't be any more clear. It was in response to data showing requests from the states to release material from the stockpile to the states was reasonable based on the need. Sounds lot like a "NO" to me.

Like pressuring 3M to stop shipments to Canada and elsewhere - when 3M
gets the materials needed to MAKE the masks from Canada and elsewhere.
They don't grow in the vacuum between Trumps' ears...





There are millions of acres of tree farms in the United states that grow trees to build homes, and to make paper. The company my dad retired from had 1.5 million acres that they owned outright. It was obvious from the early days of manufacturing Corrugated Paper Boxes that they needed a steady suppl of pulp, and at a fixed price. None of that acreage is in Canada.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-vancouver-island-pulp-mill-supplies-materials-for-medical-protective/

Of course the US has trees. And makes lots of cardboard and newsprint
from it.

Canada some some expertise in pulp production that is rare, and we
happily sell medical grade pulp products to the USA and anywhere else
that needs it...

John