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Per-Ĺke Andersson
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Michael A. Covington
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"Commander Dave" <cmdr-dave@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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In a sealed-bid auction, nobody would know about anybody else's bids. In an
open-bid auction, everybody would have an opportunity to outbid everybody
else if they want to. On eBay, with "autosniping," we seem to have the
worst of both worlds.
who have lost sight of the real purpose of the auction. Sorry, I don't go
to eBay to play sniping games... I go there to buy and sell things.
news:10i64n88hom2646@corp.supernews.com...
Precisely. Thank you.
In a sealed-bid auction, nobody would know about anybody else's bids. In an
open-bid auction, everybody would have an opportunity to outbid everybody
else if they want to. On eBay, with "autosniping," we seem to have the
worst of both worlds.
Right! Advantage of open-bid auctions, now absent on eBay due to sniping.
Sadly, there are those who view sniping as a sport (a kind of racing) and
who have lost sight of the real purpose of the auction. Sorry, I don't go
to eBay to play sniping games... I go there to buy and sell things.
M
Michael A. Covington
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"Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote
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prices.
And it does that by making it a completely open auction. Some people are
willing to pay more if they *know* that others are willing to pay more.
Also, people who are inexperienced in a particular field want to see each
other's bids, to help them judge what something is worth on the open market.
eBay pretends to be an open auction, but because of sniping, it works like a
sealed-bid auction (except that the second-highest bid actually sets the
price). If sniping is welcome, eBay should perhaps abandon all pretense of
being an open auction.
in message news:10i5trsnut3cm6c@corp.supernews.com...
Why do traditional auctioneers do it? Because it leads to higher selling
prices.
And it does that by making it a completely open auction. Some people are
willing to pay more if they *know* that others are willing to pay more.
Also, people who are inexperienced in a particular field want to see each
other's bids, to help them judge what something is worth on the open market.
eBay pretends to be an open auction, but because of sniping, it works like a
sealed-bid auction (except that the second-highest bid actually sets the
price). If sniping is welcome, eBay should perhaps abandon all pretense of
being an open auction.
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Don Bruder
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In article <41237ab7@mustang.speedfactory.net>,
"Michael A. Covington" <look@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote:
I'm not interested in bidding games. I want the item. I know what it's
worth to me. I could care less what it's worth to you. And I damn well
don't care at all if some poor seller doesn't get top-dollar for a
"commodity" item.
Therefore, I figure out what I'm willing to pay when I find a listing
that interests me, then I sit back until a second or two before the end
of the auction, and drop that amount in as a bid. So far, I've never
paid more than I valued the item at, and have never been "out-sniped".
Those of you crying foul overhaving an item sniped out from under you...
"Too bad, so sad". You should have bid what you were willing to pay, and
made sure that amount was more than what I was willing to pay.
And that's the long and short of it: You anti-sniping folks are crying
because you got something taken away from you by someone who knew what
they wanted, knew what it was worth to them, and wanted it worse than
you did. Get over it.
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"Michael A. Covington" <look@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote:
Which is precisely the reason I am, and will continue to be, a sniper.
I'm not interested in bidding games. I want the item. I know what it's
worth to me. I could care less what it's worth to you. And I damn well
don't care at all if some poor seller doesn't get top-dollar for a
"commodity" item.
Therefore, I figure out what I'm willing to pay when I find a listing
that interests me, then I sit back until a second or two before the end
of the auction, and drop that amount in as a bid. So far, I've never
paid more than I valued the item at, and have never been "out-sniped".
Those of you crying foul overhaving an item sniped out from under you...
"Too bad, so sad". You should have bid what you were willing to pay, and
made sure that amount was more than what I was willing to pay.
And that's the long and short of it: You anti-sniping folks are crying
because you got something taken away from you by someone who knew what
they wanted, knew what it was worth to them, and wanted it worse than
you did. Get over it.
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John Miller
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Michael A. Covington wrote:
anyone sniping just for the sport of it, whose real purpose isn't to buy
something. (Oh, I can imagine it, but we also have to know that kind of
behavior is pretty self-limiting.)
hard-won experience that the practical way to be successful in eBay
auctions is to snipe.
Don't think for a minute that I prefer it that way, but the world is what it
is, and not always what we would wish for it to be.
--
John Miller
Email address: domain, n4vu.com; username, jsm
"It doesn't much signify whom one marries for one is sure to find out next
morning it was someone else."
-Rogers
Let's be fair, Michael. We know you don't like sniping, but I can't imagine
anyone sniping just for the sport of it, whose real purpose isn't to buy
something. (Oh, I can imagine it, but we also have to know that kind of
behavior is pretty self-limiting.)
There's no sincerer eBay purchaser than me, and I've discovered through
hard-won experience that the practical way to be successful in eBay
auctions is to snipe.
Don't think for a minute that I prefer it that way, but the world is what it
is, and not always what we would wish for it to be.
--
John Miller
Email address: domain, n4vu.com; username, jsm
"It doesn't much signify whom one marries for one is sure to find out next
morning it was someone else."
-Rogers
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Dave Platt
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In article <LbNUc.8416$54.122899@typhoon.sonic.net>,
Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote:
sniping software, to avoid triggering peoples' "bidding war" instincts.
I've lost an occasional sniped auction because I *was* outbid...
sometimes by another sniper, more often by someone who put in a bid
higher than mine several hours or days earlier, and once because my
high bid didn't meet the seller's reserve price. All of these are
"fair" losses, to my mind... I simply wasn't willing to pay as much
for the item, as someone else felt that it was worth to him/her.
eBay's auction style works to the advantage of the knowledgeable
buyer. It's similar to the old "auction by candle" style.
An auction system which keeps the auction open until bids stop
arriving tends to favor the seller, as it promotes real-time bidding
wars.
eBay may have made a very explicit decision *not* to use this auction
style, for any of several reasons. One might be that an auction
system which favors the seller, can end up with higher overall
winning-bid prices, which would then tend to eliminate any reputation
that the site has for being "a bargain place to buy." A lot of people
feel that eBay is a buyer's-bargain marketplace, even though (as
several people have noted) this often isn't the case.
of a sniper who doesn't think his/her "maximum bid" value out very
carefully in advance. If you set your snipe time very close to the
limit (so that it's a true snipe and not just a last-minute bid), and
you don't exceed an earlier bidder's high limit, you have *no* time to
react and re-bid.
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Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote:
My own feelings, and my own experience are similar to yours. I do use
sniping software, to avoid triggering peoples' "bidding war" instincts.
I've lost an occasional sniped auction because I *was* outbid...
sometimes by another sniper, more often by someone who put in a bid
higher than mine several hours or days earlier, and once because my
high bid didn't meet the seller's reserve price. All of these are
"fair" losses, to my mind... I simply wasn't willing to pay as much
for the item, as someone else felt that it was worth to him/her.
Right. And, eBay makes this point very explicitly in their FAQ.
eBay's auction style works to the advantage of the knowledgeable
buyer. It's similar to the old "auction by candle" style.
An auction system which keeps the auction open until bids stop
arriving tends to favor the seller, as it promotes real-time bidding
wars.
eBay may have made a very explicit decision *not* to use this auction
style, for any of several reasons. One might be that an auction
system which favors the seller, can end up with higher overall
winning-bid prices, which would then tend to eliminate any reputation
that the site has for being "a bargain place to buy." A lot of people
feel that eBay is a buyer's-bargain marketplace, even though (as
several people have noted) this often isn't the case.
And, let's also note that using sniping works to the *dis*advantage
of a sniper who doesn't think his/her "maximum bid" value out very
carefully in advance. If you set your snipe time very close to the
limit (so that it's a true snipe and not just a last-minute bid), and
you don't exceed an earlier bidder's high limit, you have *no* time to
react and re-bid.
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Michael A. Covington
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"Don Bruder" <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote in message
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why do you snipe? Why don't you do what you're telling us to do?
news:LbNUc.8416$54.122899@typhoon.sonic.net...
Er... Can't we say the same to YOU? If you know what you're willing to pay,
why do you snipe? Why don't you do what you're telling us to do?
M
Michael A. Covington
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"John Miller" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:cg07iv$q64$1@n4vu.com...
people at Astromart. I was surprised.
eBay has it perfect.
news:cg07iv$q64$1@n4vu.com...
People told me they did that, when I was gathering information to advise the
people at Astromart. I was surprised.
But there's more than one way to run an auction, and we shouldn't assume
eBay has it perfect.
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Dave Platt
Guest
In article <4123efda$1@mustang.speedfactory.net>,
Michael A. Covington <look@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote:
actually willing to pay") generates a higher number of wins, and a
lower average winning bid, than doing a non-snipe with exactly the
same value.
The reason is that many competing bidders do *not* follow the eBay
recommendation of "bid your maximum" - they try to game the bids in
real time, and they tend to get caught up in emotional bidding wars.
Against competitors who follow the "know what it's worth to you; bid
that much, and no more" rule, sniping is powerless.
Against competitors who don't follow this rule, sniping raises your
chances of winning (because competitors don't have an opportunity to
bid up), and can also reduce your costs (because competitors are less
likely to be stimulated into a feeding-frenzy bid-it-up battle).
Sniping also gives you additional time to do research (deciding what
the item is actually worth) or look for alternatives (e.g.
newly-listed items which you'd prefer to wait for).
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Michael A. Covington <look@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote:
Because, I think, that doing a snipe (with a value of "the maximum I'm
actually willing to pay") generates a higher number of wins, and a
lower average winning bid, than doing a non-snipe with exactly the
same value.
The reason is that many competing bidders do *not* follow the eBay
recommendation of "bid your maximum" - they try to game the bids in
real time, and they tend to get caught up in emotional bidding wars.
Against competitors who follow the "know what it's worth to you; bid
that much, and no more" rule, sniping is powerless.
Against competitors who don't follow this rule, sniping raises your
chances of winning (because competitors don't have an opportunity to
bid up), and can also reduce your costs (because competitors are less
likely to be stimulated into a feeding-frenzy bid-it-up battle).
Sniping also gives you additional time to do research (deciding what
the item is actually worth) or look for alternatives (e.g.
newly-listed items which you'd prefer to wait for).
--
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John Miller
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Michael A. Covington wrote:
a grand opportunity for someone (maybe you) to become a billionaire by
starting an auction site with that superior business model, and gaining
more market share than eBay.
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Email address: domain, n4vu.com; username, jsm
Ignorance is never out of style. It was in fashion yesterday, it is the
rage today, and it will set the pace tomorrow.
-Franklin K. Dane
Absolutely. And if your notion is more acceptable to the marketplace, it's
a grand opportunity for someone (maybe you) to become a billionaire by
starting an auction site with that superior business model, and gaining
more market share than eBay.
--
John Miller
Email address: domain, n4vu.com; username, jsm
Ignorance is never out of style. It was in fashion yesterday, it is the
rage today, and it will set the pace tomorrow.
-Franklin K. Dane
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Michael A. Covington
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"John Miller" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:cg0sar$vpu$1@n4vu.com...
advice from -- but that's the idea behind www.astromart.com. For amateur
astronomy gear, it has 2 advantages: a different auction model, and a
generally more knowledgeable clientele. It has been a thriving classified
ad site for a long time, and they recently added auctions as well as other
features. There's some electronics there, but not much -- mostly the
occasional ham rig and the like.
VY 73
N4TMI
news:cg0sar$vpu$1@n4vu.com...
I'm not a business partner -- I was just one of the people they sought
advice from -- but that's the idea behind www.astromart.com. For amateur
astronomy gear, it has 2 advantages: a different auction model, and a
generally more knowledgeable clientele. It has been a thriving classified
ad site for a long time, and they recently added auctions as well as other
features. There's some electronics there, but not much -- mostly the
occasional ham rig and the like.
VY 73
N4TMI
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Michael A. Covington
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"Dave Platt" <dplatt@radagast.org> wrote in message
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Not very Kantian...
news:10i7sfrorfghq64@corp.supernews.com...
So you should snipe, and we should not?
Not very Kantian...
J
John Miller
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Michael A. Covington wrote to Dave Platt:
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Absence diminishes mediocre passions and increases great ones, as the wind
blows out candles and fans fires.
-La Rochefoucauld
It *is* an individual choice, after all...
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blows out candles and fans fires.
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Dave Platt
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In article <41240699$1@mustang.speedfactory.net>,
Michael A. Covington <look@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote:
If you read back through my postings, you'll see that I wasn't telling
you (or anyone) not to snipe.
I've pointed out that if you DON'T snipe, and if you DON'T follow the
"make your best, real bid" advice from eBay, then you are putting
yourself at a disadvantage against snipers and other late bidders.
That's neither a prescription nor a directive... it's just a statement
of what I believe to be fact.
but since that wasn't my intent, it's not terribly relevant.
Sniping software is available to everybody, sniping can be done
manually with nothing other than a web browser and a decent watch, and
(as I see it) the playing field is entirely level. The Categorial
Imperative applies fully, I believe.
If you _choose_ not to snipe, or to enter lower-value bids rather than
what you're willing to pay, that's entirely your voluntary choice.
You're welcome to whatever advantages this gives you, and you should
accept whatever disadvantages come with this strategy.
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Michael A. Covington <look@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote:
That's not at all what I said, sir. Please don't put words in my mouth.
If you read back through my postings, you'll see that I wasn't telling
you (or anyone) not to snipe.
I've pointed out that if you DON'T snipe, and if you DON'T follow the
"make your best, real bid" advice from eBay, then you are putting
yourself at a disadvantage against snipers and other late bidders.
That's neither a prescription nor a directive... it's just a statement
of what I believe to be fact.
Your _interpretation_ of my words has a non-Kantian cast, it's true,
but since that wasn't my intent, it's not terribly relevant.
Sniping software is available to everybody, sniping can be done
manually with nothing other than a web browser and a decent watch, and
(as I see it) the playing field is entirely level. The Categorial
Imperative applies fully, I believe.
If you _choose_ not to snipe, or to enter lower-value bids rather than
what you're willing to pay, that's entirely your voluntary choice.
You're welcome to whatever advantages this gives you, and you should
accept whatever disadvantages come with this strategy.
--
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Michael A. Covington
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"Dave Platt" <dplatt@radagast.org> wrote in message
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sealed-bid format (with the proviso that the second highest bid determines
the selling price, rather than the highest as in a true sealed-bid auction).
That would work exactly like a perfectly efficient sniping system, and it
would save everybody a lot of trouble.
news:10i8d9fo3r5h7e8@corp.supernews.com...
OK, then why don't we petition eBay to change over to a completely
sealed-bid format (with the proviso that the second highest bid determines
the selling price, rather than the highest as in a true sealed-bid auction).
That would work exactly like a perfectly efficient sniping system, and it
would save everybody a lot of trouble.
D
Dave Platt
Guest
In article <412439fd$1@mustang.speedfactory.net>,
Michael A. Covington <look@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote:
More seriously... go right ahead and petition, Michael. They might
listen. I really doubt it, given their size and the fact that they
seem to be quite satisfied with their approach, but I'm quite willing
to be proven wrong.
My own personal feeling is that you (and others) are engaged in a
somewhat quixotic quest here. You're trying to persuade eBay (or some
other site) that there is One True Right And Best Way to run auctions,
based on your own (subjective) analysis of the situation. I don't
believe that the object of your desire exists... there _is_ no single
auction system which you can conclusively prove is "best". All you
can say is that various sets of auction rules exist, and that each of
them has certain advantages and disadvantages for the various parties
who participate in the auctions. You can only argue superiority vs.
inferiority based on a starting set of axioms about what's "best", and
these axioms can't be proven.
A "sealed bid, winner pays second-highest bid plus minimum increment
at that level" would certainly have some advantages for some parties.
It would add the sort of sense-of-fairness that you seem to desire,
and it would (as you note) eliminate the advantages of sniping over
non-sniping. That might be good.
On the other hand, it would eliminate feeding-frenzy bidding wars,
which would probably be good for buyers as a group, bad for sellers,
and bad for eBay (all for the same reason: it'd lower the average
winning bid by some amount). It'd also remove the sense of
gambling-excitement which some customers seem to feel (or crave?) and
might reduce eBay's attractiveness to people who go in for gambling.
Due to the fact that this rules change could have a negative effect on
eBay's bottom line, I doubt that you'll persuade them to accept it.
If you truly feel that there's a different set of auction rules which
result in a superior system, do what eBay did - go out and create a
system which uses them, publicize it, and support it. If it's really
superior, in the eyes of the public, it might win business away from
eBay.
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Michael A. Covington <look@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote:
"What you mean _we_, white man?"
More seriously... go right ahead and petition, Michael. They might
listen. I really doubt it, given their size and the fact that they
seem to be quite satisfied with their approach, but I'm quite willing
to be proven wrong.
My own personal feeling is that you (and others) are engaged in a
somewhat quixotic quest here. You're trying to persuade eBay (or some
other site) that there is One True Right And Best Way to run auctions,
based on your own (subjective) analysis of the situation. I don't
believe that the object of your desire exists... there _is_ no single
auction system which you can conclusively prove is "best". All you
can say is that various sets of auction rules exist, and that each of
them has certain advantages and disadvantages for the various parties
who participate in the auctions. You can only argue superiority vs.
inferiority based on a starting set of axioms about what's "best", and
these axioms can't be proven.
A "sealed bid, winner pays second-highest bid plus minimum increment
at that level" would certainly have some advantages for some parties.
It would add the sort of sense-of-fairness that you seem to desire,
and it would (as you note) eliminate the advantages of sniping over
non-sniping. That might be good.
On the other hand, it would eliminate feeding-frenzy bidding wars,
which would probably be good for buyers as a group, bad for sellers,
and bad for eBay (all for the same reason: it'd lower the average
winning bid by some amount). It'd also remove the sense of
gambling-excitement which some customers seem to feel (or crave?) and
might reduce eBay's attractiveness to people who go in for gambling.
Due to the fact that this rules change could have a negative effect on
eBay's bottom line, I doubt that you'll persuade them to accept it.
If you truly feel that there's a different set of auction rules which
result in a superior system, do what eBay did - go out and create a
system which uses them, publicize it, and support it. If it's really
superior, in the eyes of the public, it might win business away from
eBay.
--
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Don Bruder
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In article <10i7ai5jnntfn77@corp.supernews.com>,
dplatt@radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote:
out for some commentary.>
frenzy. I look once, find out what I need to know, and then wait until
the auction is almost over. Look in an hour or so before the end to see
what's happened with bidding since I first spotted it, decide if my bid
is sufficient, and if it is, wait for the end and bid it. If someone
else has triggered a frenzy that's taken the item outside my range -
Pfft... Somebody will list another one.
it's worth enough, you'll take it. Sorta "The Price Is Right"-ish
The
critical concept being "What is it worth *TO YOU*?"
Most of the things I snipe are quite pricey on the retail market, due to
them being in fairly short (or in some cases, nonexistent) supply. I
know what it would cost me to get the item retail, assuming I can get
them at all. I frequently get them for less than a third of retail, and
have gotten things that simply can't be had through retail because
nobody knows where to find them. But SOMEBODY had one in the junkbox in
the garage, or somebody's grandfather died and left them the auto parts
store, or..., and they put it up on eBay.
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dplatt@radagast.org (Dave Platt) wrote:
<snipped most of it - I agree completely. Just think a couple places cry
out for some commentary.>
That right there is the key - I'm not interested in triggering a bidding
frenzy. I look once, find out what I need to know, and then wait until
the auction is almost over. Look in an hour or so before the end to see
what's happened with bidding since I first spotted it, decide if my bid
is sufficient, and if it is, wait for the end and bid it. If someone
else has triggered a frenzy that's taken the item outside my range -
Pfft... Somebody will list another one.
Absolutely correct. Know what it's worth to you. Bid it. If you think
it's worth enough, you'll take it. Sorta "The Price Is Right"-ish
The critical concept being "What is it worth *TO YOU*?"
Most of the things I snipe are quite pricey on the retail market, due to
them being in fairly short (or in some cases, nonexistent) supply. I
know what it would cost me to get the item retail, assuming I can get
them at all. I frequently get them for less than a third of retail, and
have gotten things that simply can't be had through retail because
nobody knows where to find them. But SOMEBODY had one in the junkbox in
the garage, or somebody's grandfather died and left them the auto parts
store, or..., and they put it up on eBay.
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In article <4123efda$1@mustang.speedfactory.net>,
"Michael A. Covington" <look@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote:
I now own the item, and you don't. So saying anything like that seems
rather pointless. Why should I "get over" getting exactly what I wanted?
Second: See my other message in this thread. In a nutshell: Just because
I'm WILLING to pay $X doesn't mean I *WANT* to pay $X. If I can get it
for less by sniping (which I have in all cases so far - I'm *CERTAIN*
the one that fails is coming somewhere in my future, but that hasn't
happened yet) because my interest doesn't trigger somebody into either
"mothing" me up to $X or beyond, then I'm going to do so.
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"Michael A. Covington" <look@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote:
First: Sure, you COULD say the same to me - except for one minor detail:
I now own the item, and you don't. So saying anything like that seems
rather pointless. Why should I "get over" getting exactly what I wanted?
Second: See my other message in this thread. In a nutshell: Just because
I'm WILLING to pay $X doesn't mean I *WANT* to pay $X. If I can get it
for less by sniping (which I have in all cases so far - I'm *CERTAIN*
the one that fails is coming somewhere in my future, but that hasn't
happened yet) because my interest doesn't trigger somebody into either
"mothing" me up to $X or beyond, then I'm going to do so.
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In article <41240699$1@mustang.speedfactory.net>,
"Michael A. Covington" <look@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote:
Where do you get that concept??? What'd I miss?
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"Michael A. Covington" <look@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote:
???????
Where do you get that concept??? What'd I miss?
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In article <412439fd$1@mustang.speedfactory.net>,
"Michael A. Covington" <look@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote:
on an auction to finish so I have the part I need for the car at
(typically) less than a third, often less than a fifth of the retail
price, even with any shipping figured in.
But I bet revenue would fall flat on its face if eBay switched to that
type of auction officially.
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"Michael A. Covington" <look@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote:
I've often thought the same, to be honest. Especially when I'm waiting
on an auction to finish so I have the part I need for the car at
(typically) less than a third, often less than a fifth of the retail
price, even with any shipping figured in.
But I bet revenue would fall flat on its face if eBay switched to that
type of auction officially.
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