audio recording on IC -help wanted

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Hi,

I'm trying to identify a manufacturer and specs for what I believe is
a diode. It's a black cylinder with a silver band surrounding one end,
and its position on the PCB is labeled with a diode symbol and the
identifier CR2 (where 2 is the device manufacturer's arbitrary numeric
id for that component on the PCB). It's about 8.5 mm in diameter and
about 9.5 mm in length.

The component has split in half and I would like to replace it in an
attempt to salvage the device, but the only identifying information on
the component is "LT 9423" on one line, and "22059733" on the next
line. I'm not exactly an electronics hobbyist, so I don't recognize
"LT" as a manufacturer or other sort of designation. Nothing jumped
out at me when I scanned the 100+ pages of diodes in the Digi-Key
catalog.

Can anyone lead me in the right direction? Just FYI, the device is a
windshield wiper control unit for a Chevy pickup truck.

Thanks for your assistance,

Joe

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[Lostgallifreyan]

jakdedert <jakdedert@bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:Nxb2l.9033$M01.4938@bignews3.bellsouth.net:

The first couple of gigs that those batteries got packed up in a
discharged state, got shipped across the country--alternately frozen and
baked a few times--they'd need to be replaced. Often we finish a show,
toss everything back in the cases and leave. We get on a plane. The
gear goes by unheated truck. New cells--especially alkalines--travel
much better than discharged cells of other chemistries. Even assuming
no damage, often we need to toss things back together at the destination
and power up. Time to set up chargers and get everything topped off is
often not available. Used rechargables deteriorate over time
regardless, adding another time (and money) consuming task of monitoring
long-term condition of individual cells...several hundred of them.

This is interesting. I think Li ion batteries will solve most of it though.
I've used them in a flashlight and GPS and PDA used in freezing conditions,
and they last for days in all but the PDA. Their self-dischare rates are
extremely low, and they've been charged so many times that no other
rechargeable would still be usable, and NiMH would have failed several times
in the time I've used the lithium rechargeables.

Don't underestimate the importance of the chemistry of the battery vs the
economy of labour. In this case the energy density means less weight to
carry, less time between changes, more stable output, no concern for when you
can or cannot charge a cell. Most people's logic on primary vs secondary
cells derives from times when NiCD or NiMH was all there was at best.
Compared to an alkaline, I agree than those are very poor, especially in PP3
sizes, but lithium changes this so much, it's better than either. It's worth
rethinking to take advantage of that. Beats leaving a useless trail of used
chemistry too.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:00:42 -0500, the renowned "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


Spehro Pefhany wrote:

One indication of that is that the sequence numbers are filled in, but
not the package suffixes. Probably it's not so evil as
counterfeiting-- simply that if they get a request for something
they'll go to the trouble of looking for it.


There were a few numbers in the original RCA 'A' series that were
dropped early on because no one seemed to want them. I can't find my
original RCA COSMOS Databook right now to see what they were. RCA may
have assigned numbers for parts that were only shipped as samples, as
well.

CD4037 would probably be an example of one of those. It's at least
real. (Triple AND-OR Bi-Phase pairs). Just the thing for your plated
wire memory.

I will see if I can find the original RCA book when I'm feeling
better, to see if any of those missing numbers existed. Not many people
had, or kept the early books. I know I ditched most of my early to mid
'60s books, or gave them away when I found newer editions. Too many
parts were NLA by 1970, so I didn't see any reason to keep them. The
only reason I kept the RCA book was I had to pay for it while I was in
the Army.


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"Ross Herbert" <rherber1@bigpond.net.au> a écrit dans le message de
news:qhiut31o9d8a8h93efbllleaab12s96v1m@4ax.com...

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:45:57 +0100, "vincent.thiernesse"
vincent.thiernesse@wanadoo.fr> wrote:

:
:"Ross Herbert" <rherber1@bigpond.net.au> a écrit dans le message de
:news:4best35ra488coc3e7injp1cddg1kpvudm@4ax.com...
:> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:36:00 +0100, "vincent.thiernesse"
:> <vincent.thiernesse@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
:
:> :
:> :"Michael Black" <et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> a écrit dans le message de
:> :news:frkuc6$cvi$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
:> :> "vincent.thiernesse" (vincent.thiernesse@wanadoo.fr) writes:
:> :> > Hello,
:> :
:> :> > I wish to buy a SAD1024.
:> :
:> :> > Could anyone help me ?
:> :
:> :> We're talking about the bucket brigade delay line?
:> :
:> :> Those are something like thirty years old. Unless you're repairing
:> :> something, there's very little good reason to be using such an old
:> :> device, when surely newer and better things have come along. I
don't
:> :> know, but I suspect it's been a long time since it was
manufacturered;
:> :> if so then you'll be looking for old stock and that may drive up
rices.
:> :
:> :I need audio bandpass and 2 ms delay that's why I was looking for that
:> :device.
:> :
:> :SAD1024 is billed 83 euros in France...
:> :
:> :> Just because one can find a schematic for something doesn't mean
:> :> it's the best choice.
:> :
:> :Yes indeed but it was my own schematic.
:> :
:
:
:> I find it difficult to understand why anyone would design a new system
:based on
:> a long obsolete device such as the SAD1024. Nevertheless, it seems that
thers
:> have done a similar thing http://lupinesystems.com/guitar/analog/
:
:Hello, If you know a component that does the same ,newer ,cheaper ,and
with
:better characteristics, please tell me.

Hello.... Just because there is nothing else which will do the job cheaper
and
with better characteristics is not a good reason to design a system which
relies
upon a long obsolete device. If you absolutely must do this then you are
just
going to have to pay the going price for a scarce and increasingly less
available device. It's that simple, so don't blame me for pointing out the
obvious.

I won't blame you. I'll just blame the world not to produce such a new
device.

:
:
:
:> As suggested in that article you can search for the device on Ebay
where
:they
:> are still not cheap at around US$20 but that's far better than Eur83.
:
:None on ebay for the moment.
:

So you are going to have to wait until there are or pay Eur83.

I am going to buy Pierre-François' devices.

 

[Pierre-François]

Hi Vincent,

You'll NOT buy because they are GRATOS!

Cheers
pf

"vincent.thiernesse" <vincent.thiernesse@wanadoo.fr> a écrit dans le message
de news: 47dff5a1$0$858$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr...

"Ross Herbert" <rherber1@bigpond.net.au> a écrit dans le message de
news:qhiut31o9d8a8h93efbllleaab12s96v1m@4ax.com...
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:45:57 +0100, "vincent.thiernesse"
vincent.thiernesse@wanadoo.fr> wrote:

:
:"Ross Herbert" <rherber1@bigpond.net.au> a écrit dans le message de
:news:4best35ra488coc3e7injp1cddg1kpvudm@4ax.com...
:> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:36:00 +0100, "vincent.thiernesse"
:> <vincent.thiernesse@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
:
:> :
:> :"Michael Black" <et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> a écrit dans le message
de
:> :news:frkuc6$cvi$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
:> :> "vincent.thiernesse" (vincent.thiernesse@wanadoo.fr) writes:
:> :> > Hello,
:> :
:> :> > I wish to buy a SAD1024.
:> :
:> :> > Could anyone help me ?
:> :
:> :> We're talking about the bucket brigade delay line?
:> :
:> :> Those are something like thirty years old. Unless you're repairing
:> :> something, there's very little good reason to be using such an old
:> :> device, when surely newer and better things have come along. I
don't
:> :> know, but I suspect it's been a long time since it was
manufacturered;
:> :> if so then you'll be looking for old stock and that may drive up
rices.
:> :
:> :I need audio bandpass and 2 ms delay that's why I was looking for
that
:> :device.
:> :
:> :SAD1024 is billed 83 euros in France...
:> :
:> :> Just because one can find a schematic for something doesn't mean
:> :> it's the best choice.
:> :
:> :Yes indeed but it was my own schematic.
:> :
:
:
:> I find it difficult to understand why anyone would design a new system
:based on
:> a long obsolete device such as the SAD1024. Nevertheless, it seems
that
thers
:> have done a similar thing http://lupinesystems.com/guitar/analog/
:
:Hello, If you know a component that does the same ,newer ,cheaper ,and
with
:better characteristics, please tell me.

Hello.... Just because there is nothing else which will do the job
cheaper
and
with better characteristics is not a good reason to design a system which
relies
upon a long obsolete device. If you absolutely must do this then you are
just
going to have to pay the going price for a scarce and increasingly less
available device. It's that simple, so don't blame me for pointing out
the
obvious.

I won't blame you. I'll just blame the world not to produce such a new
device.


:
:
:
:> As suggested in that article you can search for the device on Ebay
where
:they
:> are still not cheap at around US$20 but that's far better than Eur83.
:
:None on ebay for the moment.
:

So you are going to have to wait until there are or pay Eur83.

I am going to buy Pierre-François' devices.

 

[Joerg]

clicliclic@freenet.de wrote:

Joerg schrieb:
Uwe Bonnes wrote:
Pieter <dit3_werkt_ook_niet@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I am building a device that can measure noise from resistors and
semiconductors. The source resistance ranges 0.2 Ohm to 20 MOhm.
But mostly semiconductors have to measured, and the range that is most
important is 500 Ohm to 2500 Ohm. That is the basic resistance of
those devices.
The frequency ranges to be measured are 0-10 Hz and 0-1 MHz. And the
noise is low, maximum of the semiconductor devices is 10 dB (compared
to the resistance 500 to 2500 Ohm), probably less.
For this project, I am searching a low noise N-JFET for the input
stage. This will be followed by a very low noise opamp like the AD797
or LT1028. The drain current will probably be something like 10 mA.
My questions:
What N-FETs (BFxxx? 2Nxxxx?) are really low-noise? Searching
datasheets is hopeless.
Does anyone here have advice about the input stage? Do you think a FET
input with opamp following it will do? Or can you think of better ones
that have lower noise, and lower input capacitance?
The BF862 is very low noise.

I was just going to suggest that one, it ought to be the lowest noise
JFET around.

No. The transfer function of low-IDSS BF862's closely corresponds to
that of high-IDSS 2SK170's, so at the same drain current the white
noise will be the same. The 2SK369 has a higher Yfs and its white
noise will be lower.

It is remarkable, though, that the BF862 achieves the same Yfs at a
third of the capacitances of the 2SK170.

However, as Martin pointed out one may have to consider the
sub-audio region. NXP's data sheet is, ahem, rather skimpy. Do you (or
Martin) know about any study of the BF862 below, say, 20Hz?

That's why I referred to the Toshiba datasheets. The BF861 too seems
to be a close relative to the BF862. It's noise is specified down to
10 Hz (Fig. 15), and this curve should roughly apply here too.

Fig 14:
http://www.nxp.com/acrobat_download/datasheets/BF861A_BF861B_BF861C_4.pdf

Yuck, that's pretty bad. Puzzling: The BF861 is spec'd at 1.5nv/rtHz at
1MHz while the BF862 is spec'd at 0.8nv/rtHz at 100kHz:
http://www.nxp.com/acrobat_download/datasheets/BF862_3.pdf

So, is it "aggressive marketing" or is it really that much better? The
graph in the BF861 datasheet somehow tells another story.

I'll stay with the BCX70K for now where it doesn't have to be really
hi-Z. That's really low noise and much cheaper.

Also, does anyone know what happened to the old 2N4417? Can't find it
anywhere these days.

Was this one much different from the 2N4416 = PN4416 ?

Nope, IIRC it is (was?) a small JFET.

(Correction to my first post: the 2SK370 is nothing but a 2SK170 in a
miniturised through-hole package, electrically they are the same. And
please read IDSS for IDSSS.)

Well, but those are all not mainstream in the US.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

 

[Pierre-François]

No problem, it's a pleasure...

Sorry for the guys who wanted to do business, but I'll not sell few chips I
kept for 30 years just in case in my "tiroir"...

pf

"vincent.thiernesse" <vincent.thiernesse@wanadoo.fr> a écrit dans le message
de news: 47dffe7a$0$869$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr...

That's great (graihâte en français) !!!


"Pierre-François" <NOSPAM@MAPSON.com> a écrit dans le message de
news:47dffcf4$0$901$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr...
Hi Vincent,

You'll NOT buy because they are GRATOS!

Cheers
pf

"vincent.thiernesse" <vincent.thiernesse@wanadoo.fr> a écrit dans le
message
de news: 47dff5a1$0$858$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr...

"Ross Herbert" <rherber1@bigpond.net.au> a écrit dans le message de
news:qhiut31o9d8a8h93efbllleaab12s96v1m@4ax.com...
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:45:57 +0100, "vincent.thiernesse"
vincent.thiernesse@wanadoo.fr> wrote:

:
:"Ross Herbert" <rherber1@bigpond.net.au> a écrit dans le message de
:news:4best35ra488coc3e7injp1cddg1kpvudm@4ax.com...
:> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:36:00 +0100, "vincent.thiernesse"
:> <vincent.thiernesse@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
:
:> :
:> :"Michael Black" <et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> a écrit dans le
message
de
:> :news:frkuc6$cvi$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
:> :> "vincent.thiernesse" (vincent.thiernesse@wanadoo.fr) writes:
:> :> > Hello,
:> :
:> :> > I wish to buy a SAD1024.
:> :
:> :> > Could anyone help me ?
:> :
:> :> We're talking about the bucket brigade delay line?
:> :
:> :> Those are something like thirty years old. Unless you're
repairing
:> :> something, there's very little good reason to be using such an
old
:> :> device, when surely newer and better things have come along. I
don't
:> :> know, but I suspect it's been a long time since it was
manufacturered;
:> :> if so then you'll be looking for old stock and that may drive up
rices.
:> :
:> :I need audio bandpass and 2 ms delay that's why I was looking for
that
:> :device.
:> :
:> :SAD1024 is billed 83 euros in France...
:> :
:> :> Just because one can find a schematic for something doesn't mean
:> :> it's the best choice.
:> :
:> :Yes indeed but it was my own schematic.
:> :
:
:
:> I find it difficult to understand why anyone would design a new
system
:based on
:> a long obsolete device such as the SAD1024. Nevertheless, it seems
that
thers
:> have done a similar thing http://lupinesystems.com/guitar/analog/
:
:Hello, If you know a component that does the same ,newer ,cheaper
,and
with
:better characteristics, please tell me.

Hello.... Just because there is nothing else which will do the job
cheaper
and
with better characteristics is not a good reason to design a system
which
relies
upon a long obsolete device. If you absolutely must do this then you
are
just
going to have to pay the going price for a scarce and increasingly
less
available device. It's that simple, so don't blame me for pointing out
the
obvious.

I won't blame you. I'll just blame the world not to produce such a new
device.


:
:
:
:> As suggested in that article you can search for the device on Ebay
where
:they
:> are still not cheap at around US$20 but that's far better than
Eur83.
:
:None on ebay for the moment.
:

So you are going to have to wait until there are or pay Eur83.

I am going to buy Pierre-François' devices.

 

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Sorry to be such a novice, but can someone tell me if a piezo electric
crystal resonator will make an audible sound
if I hook it up to a small battery?
I'm looking for any miniature lightweight electronic sound generating object
for a miniature toy I'm developing.

I have small transducers that work well, but I'd like to go smaller and
someone said piezo crystals are what they use
to make watches beep, etc.

Thanks in advance.

P.S.

I've seen some the specs for which mention 1.8 mhz to 50 mhz as the
frequency range, but I'm guessing
all of the above will be inaudible(?)

You are on the right track but you have a number of half truths which
are misleading you. Here's the rest of the story.

Piezo devices come in all kinds of frequencies from audio (sub 20kHz)
through ultrasonic (60kHz is the kind of freq they used to be for things
like position sensors) to MHz these days (not sure what they use those
for, probably all kinds of things). Anyhow, you want the audio frequency
ones. You can find these in various catalogues like Digikey under
headings like "piezo sounders".

There ARE a few with a circuit built in which just need a battery
attached but most need an oscillator attached. For the loudest output,
one which resonates at the resonant freq of the piezo element as it
flexes. Piezo devices usually have a fairly sharp resonance so are good
for high pitched beeps but not for speech reproduction (speech is
generally below, um, 4kHz I think and piezos only really start making
appreciable volume at 2 - 4kHz). Although for very small air volumes
like inside your ears, piezos can produce a better range of sounds -
don't ask me why - which is why iPod earpieces use them.

The two main sounder technologies (for small items anyhow) are piezo and
electromagnetic (coil). Coil sounds better for audio but is only about
2-5% efficient so for battery operated things piezo is often used - a
massive 10% efficiency, = longer battery life. Piezo usually needs 2-4
times as many volts to give te same volume as coil, but because it needs
less current it's less power overall. For a battery operated toy, piezo
is probably cheaper and will definitely give you more battery life.

What you need is an example circuit here, but I've run out of time.
Um... try googling "piezo circuit", this gives you various example
pages.

Oh one other thing. Piezo elements are sometimes sound as bare disks.
Don't buy them unless you know what you're doing as you then need to
build a cavity round them and somehow attach wires. For your first piezo
circuit, at least, go for one with a plastic moulded case and 2 actual
pins or leads. Some have 3 pins, which use a different circuit to drive
them.

 

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sci.electronics.design:

On Nov 9, 12:19 pm, mad.scientist...@gmail.com wrote:
Can anyone explain how to (or where to find instructions) build an
accurate linear slide potentiometer of 100k, 150k or 1M ohm? I am
looking to make one with a physical length would be from 2" to 10".
I have seen little exercises where you can draw a pencil line on
paper and connect electrodes to it, and it acts as a resistor, so I
am thinking that building a slide pot might be possible with the
right materials. Any info appreciated...


http://rocky.digikey.com/WebLib/Panasonic/Web%20Photos/New%20Photos/EVB-NC2P088BL.jpg

Or just buy one. Take it apart. Mail the parts to yourself and start
building it!

That is rather a poor choice, it is motorized. How about a regular
one?

 

[Lostgallifreyan]

"ian field" <dai.ode@ntlworld.com> wrote in
news:R19gi.5262$nE2.1789@newsfe3-win.ntli.net:

Does anyone know if Evolube (possibly Elvolube) still exists?

This is a product I remember from many years ago when I worked for an
instrument calibration company, its a special lubricant for electrical
contacts which I remember using on those front panel brass studs
rotary switches on decade boxes and measuring bridges.

A while back I found a crumpled tube of the stuff in a toolbox I
picked up at the dump, its sat in a drawer for years until now, the
severe rain storms have caused problems with my motorcycle brake light
switch and this lubricant (the little I have left) seems the only
satisfactory way of excluding the water.

Even if the original product no longer exists, its almost certain that
another brand has filled the gap in the market and I'd like to find
out the name with a view to obtaining some.

TIA.

Have a look generally at PFPE's poly fluoro polyethers. You won't want the
kilopoise, because the viscosity is huge, but there are finer ones. Water
repellence is excellent, as is adhesion, and unlike silicones, they tend to
stay where you put them instead of migrating. One possible source of a
small amount of low viscosity PFPE is a scuba gear shop, it's used on the
oxy tank seals.

 

On Sep 7, 4:05 pm, Jamie
<jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1l...@charter.net> wrote:

Phil Allison wrote:
"Eeysore"

I'm repairing a Midas Venice mixing console. Try and avoid doing so.
It's a nightmare

Despite the agent's tech insisting that the 'solo' switches are 'self
cleaning', no amount of exercising them will prevent 2 of them behaving
intermittently.

** Obviously YOU lack the necessary Midas touch !!!!!

Maybe just a little WD40 down the shaft will do the trick - not a whole
flood of it mind you.

Don't want that precious console to wind up looking like Venice.....

..... Phil ;-)

WD-40 (fish oil as main ingredient or used to be) dries out.

Spraying the contacts for suspected electrical issues, only
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[Michael A. Terrell]

Eeyore wrote:

"Floyd L. Davidson" wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

You won't find pointless transformers (dead weight) in WORLD telecoms.

An ignorant statement, to say the least.

An informed one actually. I have NO phone with a transformer. Some analogue
modems yes but even there they found a way round it with optocouplers.

Alexander Graham Bell despised optocouplers as much as he did
demented British donkeys. Something about a 50 year plus lead time for
engineering samples. Someone who actually understood anything about
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MI5 are Afraid to Admit. They're Behind the Persecution

MI5. have issued a formal denial of any involvement in my life to the
Security Service Tribunal, as you might expect them to;. but, more
importantly, the. persecutors have never denied that theyre from the
Security Service, despite several years of accusations. from my corner on
usenet and. in faxed articles. I am not surprised that the Security Service
Tribunal found "no determination in your favour". I am however. a little
surprised. that the persecutors have refused to confirm my identification
of them; by doing so, they implicitly admit that. my guess was right.

"No determination in your favour" says the Security. Service Tribunal

In 1997, I. made a complaint to the Security Service Tribunal, giving only
the bare outlines of my case. I do not think it would have. made very much
difference if Id made a much more. detailed complaint, since the Tribunal
has no ability to perform investigatory. functions. It can only ask MI5 if
they have an interest. in a subject, to which MI5 are of course free to be
"economical with the truth". A. couple of months after my complaint the
Tribunal. replied that;

The Security Service Tribunal have now investigated your. complaint and
have asked. me to inform you that no determination in your favour has been
made. on your complaint.

Needless to say this reply. didnt surprise me in the slightest. It is a
well established fact that the secret service are a den of liars and. the
Tribunal a toothless watchdog, so to see. them conforming to these
stereotypes. might be disappointing but unsurprising.

It is noteworthy that the Tribunal never. gives the plaintiff information
on whether. the "no determination in your favour" is because MI5 claims to
have no interest in him, or whether. they claim their interest is
"justified". In the 1997 report of the Security. Service Commissioner he
writes that "The ambiguity of. the terms in which the notification of the
Tribunals decision is. expressed is intentional", since a less ambiguous
answer would indicate to the plaintiff. whether he were indeed under MI5
surveillance. But I note that the ambiguity also. allows MI5 to get away
with lying to. the question of their interest in me; they can claim to the
Tribunal that they. have no interest, but at a future date, when it becomes
clear that they. did indeed place me under surveillance and harassment,
they. can claim their interest was "justified" - and the Tribunal will
presumably not admit that in their previous reply MI5. claimed to have no
interest.

"He doesnt know who. we are"

In early January 1996 I flew on a British. Airways jet from London to
Montreal; also present on the plane, about three or four rows behind. me,
were two young men, one of them fat and voluble, the other silent.. It was
quite clear that these two had been planted on. the aircraft to "wind me
up". The fat youth described the town in Poland where I. had spent
Christmas, and made some unpleasant. personal slurs against me. Most
interestingly, he said the words,. "he doesnt know who we are".

Now I find this particular form of words very interesting,. because while
it is not a clear admission, it is only a half-hearted attempt. at denial
of my guess that "they" = "MI5". Had. my guess been wrong, the fat youth
would. surely have said so more clearly. What he was trying to do was to
half-deny something he knew to be true, and he was. limited to making
statements. which he knew to be not false; so he made a lukewarm denial
which on. the face of it means nothing, but in fact acts as a confirmation
of my guess of who. "they" are.

On one of the other occasions when I. saw the persecutors in person, on the
BA. flight to Toronto in June 1993, one of the group of four men said, "if
he tries to run away well. find him". But the other three stayed totally
quiet. and avoided eye contact. They did so to avoid being apprehended and
identified - since if they were identified, their employers would. have
been revealed, and it would become known that it was the. secret services
who were behind the. persecution.

Why. are MI5 So Afraid to admit their involvement?

If you think about it,. what has been going on in Britain for the last nine
years is simply. beyond belief. The British declare themselves to be
"decent" by definition, so when they engage in indecent activities such. as
the persecution of a mentally. ill person, their decency "because were
British" is still in. the forefront of their minds, and a process of mental
doublethink kicks in,. where their antisocial and indecent activities are
blamed on the victim "because its his fault were. persecuting him", and
their. self-regard and self-image of decency remains untarnished. As
remarked. in another article some time ago, this process is basically the
same as a. large number of Germans employed fifty years ago against Slavic
"untermenschen" and the Jewish "threat" - the Germans. declared, "Germans
are known to be decent and the minorities are at fault for. what we do to
them" - so they. were able to retain the view of themselves as being
"decent".

Now suppose this entire episode had happened in. some other country. The
British have a poor view of the French, so lets. say it had all happened in
France. Suppose there was a Frenchman, of non-French extraction,. who was
targeted by the French internal security apparatus, for the. dubious
amusement. of French television newscasters, and tortured for 9 years with
various sexual and other verbal abuse. and taunts of "suicide". Suppose
this all came. out into the open. Naturally, the French authorities would
try hard. to place the blame on their victim - and in their own country,
through. the same state-controlled media which the authorities employ as
instruments of torture, their view might prevail - but what on earth. would
people overseas make of their actions? Where. would their "decency" be
then?

This is why MI5 are so afraid to admit theyre behind. the
persecution. Because if they did admit responsibility, then they. would be
admitting that there was an action against me - and. if the truth came out,
then. the walls would come tumbling down. And if the persecutors were to
admit they were from MI5, then you can be sure I would report. the
fact; and the persecutors support would fall away, among the mass. media as
well as among the. general public. When I started identifying MI5 as the
persecutors. in 1995 and 1996 there was a sharp reduction in media
harassment,. since people read my internet newsgroup posts and knew I was
telling the truth. The persecutors cannot deny. my claim that theyre MI5,
because then I would. report their denial and they would be seen as liars -
but they cannot admit it either, as that. would puncture their campaign
against me. So they are forced. to maintain a ridiculous silence on the
issue of their identity, in the face of vociferous accusations. on internet
newsgroups and faxed. articles.

Have. MI5 lied to the Home Secretary?

In. order for the Security Services to bug my home, they would either have
needed a warrant from the Home Secretary, or. they might have instituted
the bugging without a warrant. Personally I think it is more likely. that
they didnt apply for a warrant - I cannot see any Home. Secretary giving
MI5 authority to bug. a residence to allow television newscasters to
satisfy their rather. voyeuristic needs vis-a-vis one of their
audience.. But it is possible that the Security Service presented a warrant
in some form before a home secretary at some. point in the last nine years,
for telephone tapping or. surveillance of my residence, or interception of
postal. service.

So the possibility presents itself that a. Home Secretary might have signed
a warrant presented to him based on MI5 lies.. Just as MI5 lie to the
Security Service Tribunal, so they might have. lied to a Home Secretray
himself. MI5. and MI6 are naturally secretive services former home
secretary Roy Jenkins said,. they have a "secretive atmosphere
.... secretive vis-a-vis. the government as well as [enemies]". Jenkins
also said he "did not form a very high regard. for how they discharged
their. duties".

It was only a few years. ago that MI5 was brought into any sot the
extraordinary. thing is that British media organisations like the state-
and taxpayer-funded BBC take such an active part in the. MI5-inspired
campaign of harassment.. We have after all heard of MI5 trying to bribe
broadcast journalists;. but surely there must be a substantial number who
are not bought or blackmailed. by the Security Services, and who take part
in the. "abuse by newscasters" of their own volition? The BBC is supposed
to be independent. of the government of the day as well as the
Establishment in general. While. perhaps it is childish to think that the
BBC is. anything other than effectively state-controlled, the degree of
collusion between the BBC and the British. Secret Police MI5 is something
you would not. find in many countries. Individual tele-journalists in other
countries would have enough self-esteem not to allow themselves to. be
controlled by their secret police - seemingly, BBC broadcasters. like
Martyn Lewis and Nicholas. Witchell have such a low opinion of their
employing organisation that. they see no wrong in dragging the BBCs
no-longer-good name through yet more mud, at the mere request. (whether
supported by financial or other inducements) of. the British secret Police,
MI5.

And when challenged, these broadcasters LIE. about their involvement, with
just as little shame as. MI5 themselves. The BBCs Information dept have
said. that;

"I can assure you that the. BBC would never engage in any form of
surveillance activity such. as you describe"

which is an out-and-out lie. Buerk and. Lewis have themselves lied to their
colleagues in the BBCs Information department over the. "newscaster
watching", but. unsurprisingly they refuse to put these denials in
writing. Doubtless if the "newscaster watching" ever comes to light,. Buerk
and Lewis will then continue to lie by lying about these. denials. So much
for the "impartial" BBC, a nest of liars bought and paid for by. the
Security. Services!

It is. obvious that the persecution is at the instigation of MI5 themselves
- they have read my post, and. only they have the surveillance technology
and media/political. access. Yet they have lied outright to the Security
Service Tribunal. Similarly, BBC newscasters. Michael Buerk and Martyn
Lewis have lied to members of. their own organisation. The continuing
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[davide]

Someone know where I can buy this obsolete component? Or someone know
another new component that I can use?
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