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Clifford Heath
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Jim Thompson wrote:
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Getting fired is a bummer, isn't it...
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Rich Grise
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:22:57 +1100, Clifford Heath wrote:
scan your book?
;-)
Rich
Well, Win Hill posted his 14500 thing - how long will it take you toRich Grise wrote:
There was a chip out once, the 8X300, that was designed and touted
for nothing but speed
I still have the Signetics databook for this part
scan your book?
;-)
Rich
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Guy Macon
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Product developer wrote:
What did you use for a power supply inside the wheel?
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Steve Kavanagh
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Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message news:<2humd.45381$QJ3.19965@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>...
(1) the battery voltage drifts down significantly over time (due to
the significant discharge from the high current in the RF PA)
(2) the battery voltage in key-down transmit is much lower than in
receive.
The LO needs much better regulation for frequency stability.
One option might be to run the LO (or the reference for its regulator)
from its own battery - a bit silly but could be used to prove a point
(which is itself slightly silly !). The other unwise step would be
eliminating the reverse polarity protection diode.
requires nearly 8V - I gather that most devices survive !
Steve
Unfortunately, this doesn't seem practical for two reasons:
(1) the battery voltage drifts down significantly over time (due to
the significant discharge from the high current in the RF PA)
(2) the battery voltage in key-down transmit is much lower than in
receive.
The LO needs much better regulation for frequency stability.
Could be useful for the less critical circuits.
One option might be to run the LO (or the reference for its regulator)
from its own battery - a bit silly but could be used to prove a point
(which is itself slightly silly !). The other unwise step would be
eliminating the reverse polarity protection diode.
Actually the RF PA runs from closer to 7V. A half watt apparently
requires nearly 8V - I gather that most devices survive !
Steve
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Joel Kolstad
Guest
You mean that since the 'carrier' is at a low enough frequency it can't be
shielded with reasonably thin shields?
I mean, aluminum works just fine for shielding even at 60 Hz -- you just
need many inches of it!
I suppose that a better attack would be to try to overload the front end of
your detector, eh?
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Stefan Heinzmann
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Rich Grise wrote:
[...]
the MC6805, so would qualify as an 8-bit processor, but the internal
implementation was 1 bit (ALU etc.). Bloody slow.
IIRC the connection machine had 65536 processors, 16 each on a single
chip, and they were rather less capable than a Z80. Maybe 4-bit, but
this escapes me. I believe they were also SIMD, so all processors worked
off the same instruction stream.
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Cheers
Stefan
[...]
Motorola also had the MC6804, which had the same programming model as
the MC6805, so would qualify as an 8-bit processor, but the internal
implementation was 1 bit (ALU etc.). Bloody slow.
Almost ;-)
IIRC the connection machine had 65536 processors, 16 each on a single
chip, and they were rather less capable than a Z80. Maybe 4-bit, but
this escapes me. I believe they were also SIMD, so all processors worked
off the same instruction stream.
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Cheers
Stefan
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Steve Kavanagh
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Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message news:<R4Nmd.45625$QJ3.34169@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>...
switching regulators could be made from digital CMOS chips and would
work well enough (the switching version would need good filtering to
avoid modulating the LO). But surely it would still need an external
junction device (i.e. Zener) as a voltage reference (unless perhaps
the parasitic diodes could be used for that purpose - then I think a
switcher would be really needed to get enough voltage for breakdown).
Frankly I wasn't worried about getting rid of diodes when I tried the
all-digital-CMOS receiver, but it is fun to speculate on how it might
be done !
Steve
My response may have been misleading. I am sure either linear or
switching regulators could be made from digital CMOS chips and would
work well enough (the switching version would need good filtering to
avoid modulating the LO). But surely it would still need an external
junction device (i.e. Zener) as a voltage reference (unless perhaps
the parasitic diodes could be used for that purpose - then I think a
switcher would be really needed to get enough voltage for breakdown).
Frankly I wasn't worried about getting rid of diodes when I tried the
all-digital-CMOS receiver, but it is fun to speculate on how it might
be done !
Steve
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Rich Grise
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:58:29 -0500, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
manner of speaking, a 1-bit computer: The Control Data nee Bendix G-15.
But it used 29-bit words, in about 16 lines of 108 words each, on a
magnetic drum. The index registers were reserved words, and the R/W heads
were arranged so that there'd be a read head, which sent the data to the
processor and to the write logic, so as that word is read it is rewritten
a little farther down the circumference, and between that erase head and
the write head is room for another set of 3 heads, which accessed what
they called "short lines" which I think were 4 words long. These were used
as "scratchpad" registers.
And the ALU did everything one bit at a time. And the machine language
had a field where you called out the address of the next instruction,
so you could time it so that the N.I. would be coming around the drum
just as the current one finishes. It was way fun watching the NE-2s (or
maybe NE-51s) on the front panel while it was calculating, say, a
square root. If you tried to divide by zero, it typed
z0z y000
and halted. That's pronounced "Zozz you." I was in 11th grade, and
so everyone absolutely loved that little feature. ;-)
It had a bootstrap tape loader, and used paper tape for memory.
The kids that wrote programs would sit down and enter them on
the typewriter, which was an IBM, which I found curiously ironic
at the time, and then save them to paper tape. Then you could
carry your program around with you and load it again next session.
They let the advanced users use the boot loader - the regular
kids had to give the "load" command, or something like that. I
guess it's equivalent to letting only the advanced users actually
boot the system. ;-) Or, actually, the system was already running -
they were just booting the program - oh, I don't remember for
sure, it was so long ago.
I could have just posted the link already, but I was having too much
fun describing that memory. ;-)
http://www.google.com/search?&q=bendix+g-15
Ah, the good old days, when men were men and everybody smoked!
Cheers!
Rich
Well, OK, then. The computer I first learned to program on was, in a
manner of speaking, a 1-bit computer: The Control Data nee Bendix G-15.
But it used 29-bit words, in about 16 lines of 108 words each, on a
magnetic drum. The index registers were reserved words, and the R/W heads
were arranged so that there'd be a read head, which sent the data to the
processor and to the write logic, so as that word is read it is rewritten
a little farther down the circumference, and between that erase head and
the write head is room for another set of 3 heads, which accessed what
they called "short lines" which I think were 4 words long. These were used
as "scratchpad" registers.
And the ALU did everything one bit at a time. And the machine language
had a field where you called out the address of the next instruction,
so you could time it so that the N.I. would be coming around the drum
just as the current one finishes. It was way fun watching the NE-2s (or
maybe NE-51s) on the front panel while it was calculating, say, a
square root. If you tried to divide by zero, it typed
z0z y000
and halted. That's pronounced "Zozz you." I was in 11th grade, and
so everyone absolutely loved that little feature. ;-)
It had a bootstrap tape loader, and used paper tape for memory.
The kids that wrote programs would sit down and enter them on
the typewriter, which was an IBM, which I found curiously ironic
at the time, and then save them to paper tape. Then you could
carry your program around with you and load it again next session.
They let the advanced users use the boot loader - the regular
kids had to give the "load" command, or something like that. I
guess it's equivalent to letting only the advanced users actually
boot the system. ;-) Or, actually, the system was already running -
they were just booting the program - oh, I don't remember for
sure, it was so long ago.
I could have just posted the link already, but I was having too much
fun describing that memory. ;-)
http://www.google.com/search?&q=bendix+g-15
Ah, the good old days, when men were men and everybody smoked!
Cheers!
Rich
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Rich Grise
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:30:54 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
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NON-SMOKING KILLS!
It has been widely reported that tobacco smoking is blamed
for 400,000 deaths per year. Since this is out of a total of
2,500,000 total deaths per year, this means that 2,100,000 of
these people were killed by something else.
So that statistics clearly prove that if you do not smoke,
YOU ARE OVER _FIVE_TIMES_ AS LIKELY TO DIE!
-----------
I think I had it right next-door to the "Ban DHMO" page. ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
I did a webpage once:
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NON-SMOKING KILLS!
It has been widely reported that tobacco smoking is blamed
for 400,000 deaths per year. Since this is out of a total of
2,500,000 total deaths per year, this means that 2,100,000 of
these people were killed by something else.
So that statistics clearly prove that if you do not smoke,
YOU ARE OVER _FIVE_TIMES_ AS LIKELY TO DIE!
-----------
I think I had it right next-door to the "Ban DHMO" page. ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
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Product developer
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"Joel Kolstad" <JKolstad71HatesSpam@Yahoo.Com> wrote in message news:<1qidnb0SHpLFAwbcRVn-vA@comcast.com>...
that wheel inventory in a aluminum bottom truck body a meter off the
ground was not enough to shield the carrier.
point...
bye cart.
If the homeless ever get their hands on a cheap VLF transmitter I'm
screwed!
Actually it would take a really thick piece of aluminum considering
that wheel inventory in a aluminum bottom truck body a meter off the
ground was not enough to shield the carrier.
Never tried to see what it would take but you are right. At someI mean, aluminum works just fine for shielding even at 60 Hz -- you just
need many inches of it!
point...
Yes, a hand held transmitter could easily swamp the front end and bye
bye cart.
If the homeless ever get their hands on a cheap VLF transmitter I'm
screwed!
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Guy Macon
Guest
Product developer wrote:
formula showing the relationship between shielding thickness,
shielding effectiveness, signal frequency, and antenna size...
I am sure that if this conversation contiues someone will post a
formula showing the relationship between shielding thickness,
shielding effectiveness, signal frequency, and antenna size...
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Jim Thompson
Guest
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 23:22:40 GMT, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:
...Jim Thompson
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<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:
Doesn't cost me a dime ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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Charles Edmondson
Guest
Jim Thompson wrote:
work for a living. It is so much easier teling everyone else how to get
the job done, and I don't like the hours if you go management!
--
Charlie
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Edmondson Engineering
Unique Solutions to Unusual Problems
Actually, I am an MS:EE in microwaves and optics too lazy to get out andOn Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:17:09 -0800, Charles Edmondson
edmondson@ieee.org> wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
[snip]
Did you ever know an applications engineer who actually knew shit ?
They're almost always hackers without any ability to think beyond the
typical.
...Jim Thompson
Hey! I resemble that remark...
--
Charlie
Charlie, You're software apps. BIG difference.
...Jim Thompson
Hi Jim,
work for a living. It is so much easier teling everyone else how to get
the job done, and I don't like the hours if you go management!
--
Charlie
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Edmondson Engineering
Unique Solutions to Unusual Problems
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Klaus Vestergaard Kragelu
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"Mr. Civility" <reply2newsgroup@devnull.com> wrote in message
news:4198AF21.70500@devnull.com...
real books of theory. A read pleanty of winter nights about the CA3600 and
never realised it was a 4007 spin-off
I still have the book for more than just sentimental reasons. The CMOS
databook (SSD-250C) has lots of example circuits in the appendix
Cheers
Klaus
news:4198AF21.70500@devnull.com...
Not at all. My first databooks was RCA books from 1984 before I could affordJoerg wrote:
Hi Mr. Civility,
Also, the application circuits of Figures 19 through 22 are "Typical
crystal oscillator circuit," "High input impedance amplifier,"
"Typical RC oscillator circuit" and "Input pulse shaping circuit
(Schmitt trigger)." All are analog circuits.
Is that 1978 era data sheet available somewhere on the web? I checked
the RCA purple databook that one of our fellow newsgroup folks suggested
but couldn't find much for analog usage in it.
Dunno. But the figures I mention are just little schematics in the 4069
datasheet, put there as "ticklers" to let you know you can do those
things with it. The crystal oscillator and RC oscillator ones refer to
Application Notes in the back of the book for design details. The other
circuits are obvious.
More 4069 arcania: The 4009 hex inverter came along shortly after the
4007. The 4009 was designed to be an interface chip between DTL/TTL
and CMOS systems, so has two power supplies and devices sized to skew
the input switching voltage low and output low drive current high. But
of course folks used them as general purpose inverters in CMOS systems
'cause they got 6 inverters instead of 3 in the 4007 or 4 using 4001s or
4011s as inverters. But the 4009 was real slow, suffered from latchup
under high output capacitance loads and the dual supplies were pointless
if you were just running pure CMOS. So the 4049 was created to correct
some of the problems. But to make the 4049 a drop-in replacement for
the 4009, they left it in a 16-pin package and made the second power
supply pin a NC. It still had skewed switching levels to meet the
DTL/TTL interface requirements.
Eventually, when RCA made a major push to flesh out the 4000 series
line, it was decided that a smaller die, 14-pin package (oh so
marginally cheaper than 16), CMOS switching level hex inverter should be
in the line. Thus the 4069 was born.
Hard and fast specifications for aspects of the 4069 (and 4007) that
might be of interest to analog users were deliberately excluded from the
datasheets of these parts in the RCA COS/MOS (digital) manuals. It's
not that the designers weren't aware of them; it's just that there
wasn't (isn't) enough analog usage to warrant the cost of characterizing
them initially or testing them in production or (possibly) having to
tighten up the fabrication process to meet those kind of spec's.
Having said that, at one time RCA marketed a device called the CA3600
transitor array. You'll find it in the RCA *Linear* device databooks of
the 70s, along with characteristics and circuit examples for
linear/analog applications. They were simply 4007s that the linear guys
bought off the digital group and had characterized for a large paying
customer.
More than anyone wanted to know, I'm sure
real books of theory. A read pleanty of winter nights about the CA3600 and
never realised it was a 4007 spin-off
I still have the book for more than just sentimental reasons. The CMOS
databook (SSD-250C) has lots of example circuits in the appendix
Cheers
Klaus
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Product developer
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David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> wrote in message news:<cnbojn$alk$1@reader1.panix.com>...
the carrier. We install anti-tilt bars over the opposite side rear
wheel protecting against doing "wheelies" or tilts all the way home. A
cart filled even half full with groceries is very heavy and since the
locking wheel is a swivel type, there's just no easy way to thwart the
system.
Since the carrier is electro-magnetic it cannot be shielded either.
One of our demos at trade shows was wrapping wheels in aluminum foil
and then dropping them into aquariums and being able to lock and
unlock them.
I remember back when I supervised the first installations back in '97
that when trucks arrived with an inventory of wheels you could hear
them all locking up inside the truck as it traversed the loop entering
the driveway.
This is just one example of dozens of bizarre projects we have done
over the years. I don't why, but I am attracted to the designs that
most wouldn't be interested in. I am in the early stages of a design
now that will be worth at least 50 mil with a cap greater than 200 mil
and its ten times wackier than the rest! And it will get a ton of
press like the stupid cart product did.
Actually you would have to lift the cart 10 feet in the air to escape
the carrier. We install anti-tilt bars over the opposite side rear
wheel protecting against doing "wheelies" or tilts all the way home. A
cart filled even half full with groceries is very heavy and since the
locking wheel is a swivel type, there's just no easy way to thwart the
system.
Since the carrier is electro-magnetic it cannot be shielded either.
One of our demos at trade shows was wrapping wheels in aluminum foil
and then dropping them into aquariums and being able to lock and
unlock them.
I remember back when I supervised the first installations back in '97
that when trucks arrived with an inventory of wheels you could hear
them all locking up inside the truck as it traversed the loop entering
the driveway.
This is just one example of dozens of bizarre projects we have done
over the years. I don't why, but I am attracted to the designs that
most wouldn't be interested in. I am in the early stages of a design
now that will be worth at least 50 mil with a cap greater than 200 mil
and its ten times wackier than the rest! And it will get a ton of
press like the stupid cart product did.
Y
YD
Guest
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:25:23 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:
- YD.
--
Remove HAT if replying by mail.
Now what would be the fun with that? It's the challenge that counts.On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:55:38 -0800, Joel Kolstad wrote:
Since the carrier is electro-magnetic it cannot be shielded either.
You mean that since the 'carrier' is at a low enough frequency it can't be
shielded with reasonably thin shields?
I mean, aluminum works just fine for shielding even at 60 Hz -- you just
need many inches of it!
I suppose that a better attack would be to try to overload the front end of
your detector, eh?
Or, save up all the money you'd have spent on schemes and designs
and circuits and stuff, and just buy a cart! ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
- YD.
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Remove HAT if replying by mail.
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Jim Thompson
Guest
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:11:33 GMT, Rich The Philosophizer
<null@example.net> wrote:
...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
<null@example.net> wrote:
Not Charlie... he _really_knows_ his product... PSpice.On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 09:55:27 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:17:09 -0800, Charles Edmondson
edmondson@ieee.org> wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
[snip]
Did you ever know an applications engineer who actually knew shit ?
They're almost always hackers without any ability to think beyond the
typical.
...Jim Thompson
Hey! I resemble that remark...
--
Charlie
Charlie, You're software apps. BIG difference.
Yeah. They're even _worse!_ ;-)
;^j
Rich
...Jim Thompson
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| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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Rich The Philosophizer
Guest
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 10:04:47 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
record of: if you start at the top of the post, and people have their
"%U said" set, you can determine if an offendor's comments will be
included in the post before having to have their actual words inflicted
on your eyes. ;-)
(Rich Grise wants to speak:
And I'm not going to tout this idea very much, because I don't have a
lot of experience with it, but while first learning to read news with
a new Linux system, I encountered slrn and slrnpull, which are a
textual newsreader and a spooler. Now here's the thing. Slrnpull,
and I'm guessing other news spoolers, pretty much continually
download everything on the group. In plain text. So, my point is,
if I were using something like that, it would be almost trivial
to write a spool scanner script.
I also have no clue if anything remotely similar to this is available
on MICRO$~1.
Thanks!)
Hope This Helps!
;^j
Rich the Philosophizer
Just for the sake of contrariness, I'm impelled to replay my broken
record of: if you start at the top of the post, and people have their
"%U said" set, you can determine if an offendor's comments will be
included in the post before having to have their actual words inflicted
on your eyes. ;-)
(Rich Grise wants to speak:
And I'm not going to tout this idea very much, because I don't have a
lot of experience with it, but while first learning to read news with
a new Linux system, I encountered slrn and slrnpull, which are a
textual newsreader and a spooler. Now here's the thing. Slrnpull,
and I'm guessing other news spoolers, pretty much continually
download everything on the group. In plain text. So, my point is,
if I were using something like that, it would be almost trivial
to write a spool scanner script.
I also have no clue if anything remotely similar to this is available
on MICRO$~1.
Thanks!)
Hope This Helps!
;^j
Rich the Philosophizer
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Jim Thompson
Guest
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 03:29:02 -0500, Active8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net>
wrote:
makes you happy, BUT with the proviso, be the best.
...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
wrote:
Actually I was being facetious. The family rule is simply do what
makes you happy, BUT with the proviso, be the best.
...Jim Thompson
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480)460-2350 | || E-mail Address at Website Fax
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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Product developer
Guest
Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message news:<dv5gp01kbsh79pgv56ivh0kdpdl8u9ubjo@4ax.com>...
"Whoa dude that was a rush, let's try two carts this time!"
Assuming that this was likely a teenager, his response was probbly more likeOn Mon, 15 Nov 2004 01:43:45 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 19:03:42 -0800, Product developer wrote:
Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.11.13.17.48.09.350513@example.net>...
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 09:06:56 -0800, Product developer wrote:
Active8 <reply2group@ndbbm.net> wrote in message news:<1a02pavsuqgp0.dlg@news.individual.net>...
On 12 Nov 2004 08:55:17 -0800, Product developer wrote:
We have seen wheels come back with bullets fired into them!
I wonder if google knows how much CATV company plant has been shot
up in the US.
I have
tons of press footage and my own showing people getting to the
perimeter of a parking lot and having their cart all of a sudden come
to a halt. Their reactions are usually always entertaining. Many will
think there was a malfunction and continue to transfer their goods to
one cart after another until they see a pattern develop! "Gee four
carts all cease to roll at this driveway. There must be a reason"
Duhhhhh.
We used to have "Candid Camera" on TV. This shopping cart scenario
is reminiscent of that show. There's now a variation on that old
show.
The best story we heard from a store manager was about the guy who
thought if he could just get through the perimeter field fast enough
he could violate the system. This guy tied a rope from around the seat
post of his bike to the cart.
As you can imagine the rider peddles and peddles getting up to a good
speed and as he and eventually the cart in tow, traverses the ELF
field the cart comes to a hard stop and the rider took flight over the
handle bars.
I would have flown out there to the store with my DV Cam in hand if I
had known in advance. You just can't buy this kind of product testing!
Did the guy have a thousand pounds of groceries in the cart or something?
What could stop a grocery cart that decisively, except some kind of
hook?
I didn't get the details as what might have been in the cart. Could
have been an equally stupid friend. The locking wheel is located in
the front of the cart and has a very high quality molded rubber tread.
The cart probably weighs 80 to 90 lbs. With that much mass coming to a
halt at say 20 MPH I would think it could cause a rapid deceleration
of the bike and eject the rider. Too lazy to do the math but it sounds
possible.
When you put it this way, it does make a lot of sense. I guess even
I would have to admit that I've taken a bike spill with less provocation
than a whole grocery cart being snatched out from under me.
So, what it boils down to, is the skill of the original relator of
the anecdote, to really evoke the "Yow! That must have hurt!"
response. ;-)
Thanks!
Rich
"Yow! That must have hurt!" my ass. That's an "Awwww shiiiiit" ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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| E-mail Address at Website Fax
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
"Whoa dude that was a rush, let's try two carts this time!"