Americans are morons Part 1

[Joe Hey]

On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:18:53 +1100
Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:

Joe Hey <joehey@mailinator.com> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 01:11:27 +0800
Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:

On 15/12/2015 10:36 PM, Joe Hey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 16:55:29 +0800
APV <nil@none.com> wrote:

On 14-Dec-15 11:41 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
Well, I know not all Americans are morons, but this says a
great deal about how sadly lacking their education system is:

http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/2015/12/08/woodland-rejects-solar-farm/


"She is a retired Northampton science teacher and is concerned
that photosynthesis, which depends upon sunlight, would not
happen and would keep the plants from growing. She said she has
observed areas near solar panels where the plants are brown and
dead because they did not get enough sunlight.

She also questioned the high number of cancer deaths in the
area, saying no one could tell her that solar panels didn’t
cause cancer."

Joe (I think wind turbines are a blight, but fucking big holes
in the ground and pollution is fine) Hockey will be right at
home amongst this level of ignorance.




Not just the yanks. I just heard a woman on ABC radio spouting
of about how she'd "read scientific studies on the internet"
that proved immunization causes autism.

Those studies really do exist and seem to point out that multiple
vaccinations such as measles+mumps+rubella do cause autism like
symptoms in some cases.

Of course such science is immediately suppressed and researchers
'Wakefielded' almost instantly.


Of course you have evidence of this?




Read the papers by Wakefield and his colleagues who got chastised for
daring to publish their work.

No one has reproduced his findings in the last twenty years

That is one example of the standard lame non-argument.
If nobody _tries_ to reproduce his findings, obviously nobody _will_
ever be able to confirm them.
This kind of research is embargoed, unless it's set-up with the
intent to sabotage.

and it is
now known that Wakefield kept secret the fact that he was being paid
to find a link between vaccination and autism
http://briandeer.com/mmr/lancet-deer-1.htm>. Why do you choose to
believe Wakefield instead of the General Medical Council
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield>?

The 'General Medical Council' was later severely chastised in court
when Wakefields friend, the professor, who _did_ have the money to
defend himself in court, won on all counts.
This professor, one of the co-authors, was rehabilitated.
Wakefield didn't seem to have the money for that battle.


joe

 

[Joe Hey]

On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:42:04 +1100
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 19/12/2015 12:38 PM, Joe Hey wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 06:33:35 +1100
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 16/12/2015 4:11 AM, Clocky wrote:
On 15/12/2015 10:36 PM, Joe Hey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 16:55:29 +0800
APV <nil@none.com> wrote:

On 14-Dec-15 11:41 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
Well, I know not all Americans are morons, but this says a
great deal about how sadly lacking their education system is:

http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/2015/12/08/woodland-rejects-solar-farm/



"She is a retired Northampton science teacher and is concerned
that photosynthesis, which depends upon sunlight, would not
happen and would keep the plants from growing. She said she has
observed areas near solar panels where the plants are brown and
dead because they did not get enough sunlight.

She also questioned the high number of cancer deaths in the
area, saying no one could tell her that solar panels didn’t
cause cancer."

Joe (I think wind turbines are a blight, but fucking big holes
in the ground and pollution is fine) Hockey will be right at
home amongst this level of ignorance.




Not just the yanks. I just heard a woman on ABC radio spouting
of about how she'd "read scientific studies on the internet"
that proved immunization causes autism.

Those studies really do exist and seem to point out that multiple
vaccinations such as measles+mumps+rubella do cause autism like
symptoms in some cases.

Of course such science is immediately suppressed and researchers
'Wakefielded' almost instantly.


Of course you have evidence of this?




**Of course not. Like all 'anti-vaxers' this guy is a complete
moron, who will post anything, despite the lack of evidence.


Apparently some Australians are morons too.


**Of course. Just as we have AGW deniers, we have anti-vaxers as
well. They are all, of course, on the bottom end of the IQ bell curve.

Yeah, the right bottom end.
The funny thing is that the 'deniers' come with arguments, and the
zealots subsequently don't seem to have any other argument than to call
them names.
Oh, and fear and bullying of course. (If you don't vaccinate your child
against --chicken pox for instance-- you are an irresponsible parent
endangering his child's life.)

joe

 

[Joe Hey]

On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 12:00:18 +0800
800L <8@loo.com> wrote:

On 19-Dec-15 9:43 AM, Joe Hey wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 08:31:33 +1100
Je_us <j@invalid.lan> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 20:54:58 +1000, keithr <no-one@nowhere.com.au
wrote:

On 16/12/2015 1:55 PM, Je?us wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 12:14:21 +1000, Adrian Jansen
adrian@qq.vv.net> wrote:

On 16/12/2015 7:17 AM, Je?us wrote:


Depends which immunisation - studies have linked one of them
to a very low risk of triggering autism.

Not that the ratio is much consolation to the parent's whose
kid gets it.

Never mind what the kid him/herself thinks about it...


Thinking parents dont want their kids to get measles, diphtheria
or whooping cough either. All are bad, and can cause
complications leading to death. Ever seen the stats on how
many ?

Did I say they shouldn't be immunised?

I think that immunisation is a good idea, but, when I was a kid,
measles, chicken pox, and mumps were just a part of growing up.
You usually got them early on in primary school.

True. Too many kids grow up in what is basically a too sterile an
environment these days as well. Immunisation is a good thing of
course, but I think a lot of people need to be a little more
discriminating about when and what to get immunised *for* rather
than by default running off and getting a jab without weighing up
if it is really necessary, or even a good idea at all.

Yeah, yeah, 'immunisation is a good thing of course'.
How much immunisation exactly is 'a good thing'?
American schedules? Does anyone know _where_ the rate of autism
_and_ SID are relatively higher? Right: USA. That's why Americans
are morons, and people going that path are too.

Polio vaccination? OK.
Measles? Only if you haven't had it as a kid.
Whooping cough? Not necessarily, our hospitals are very good.

But not good enough to stop kids dying from it...........

Yes, I admit, whooping cough is a case of doubt.
But what the Americans are doing to their kids is in my view criminal.

joe

Chicken pox? Just make sure the kid doesn't scratch.
HPV? My God! NO!

joe

 

[Gordon Levi]

Joe Hey <joehey@mailinator.com> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:18:53 +1100
Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:

Joe Hey <joehey@mailinator.com> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 01:11:27 +0800
Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:

On 15/12/2015 10:36 PM, Joe Hey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 16:55:29 +0800
APV <nil@none.com> wrote:

On 14-Dec-15 11:41 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
Well, I know not all Americans are morons, but this says a
great deal about how sadly lacking their education system is:

http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/2015/12/08/woodland-rejects-solar-farm/


"She is a retired Northampton science teacher and is concerned
that photosynthesis, which depends upon sunlight, would not
happen and would keep the plants from growing. She said she has
observed areas near solar panels where the plants are brown and
dead because they did not get enough sunlight.

She also questioned the high number of cancer deaths in the
area, saying no one could tell her that solar panels didn’t
cause cancer."

Joe (I think wind turbines are a blight, but fucking big holes
in the ground and pollution is fine) Hockey will be right at
home amongst this level of ignorance.




Not just the yanks. I just heard a woman on ABC radio spouting
of about how she'd "read scientific studies on the internet"
that proved immunization causes autism.

Those studies really do exist and seem to point out that multiple
vaccinations such as measles+mumps+rubella do cause autism like
symptoms in some cases.

Of course such science is immediately suppressed and researchers
'Wakefielded' almost instantly.


Of course you have evidence of this?




Read the papers by Wakefield and his colleagues who got chastised for
daring to publish their work.

No one has reproduced his findings in the last twenty years

That is one example of the standard lame non-argument.
If nobody _tries_ to reproduce his findings, obviously nobody _will_
ever be able to confirm them.
This kind of research is embargoed, unless it's set-up with the
intent to sabotage.

That is one example of the standard lame conspiracy theory
non-argument. Nobody has disproved the theory that the moon landings
were a hoax because that investigation is embargoed.

and it is
now known that Wakefield kept secret the fact that he was being paid
to find a link between vaccination and autism
http://briandeer.com/mmr/lancet-deer-1.htm>. Why do you choose to
believe Wakefield instead of the General Medical Council
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield>?

The 'General Medical Council' was later severely chastised in court
when Wakefields friend, the professor, who _did_ have the money to
defend himself in court, won on all counts.
This professor, one of the co-authors, was rehabilitated.

No. The court merely found the GMC had exceeded their authority when
the struck him off the medical register. They made no findings about
his research <http://www.bbc.com/news/health-17283751>.
>Wakefield didn't seem to have the money for that battle.

 

[Joe Hey]

On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 19:28:09 +1100
Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:

Joe Hey <joehey@mailinator.com> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:18:53 +1100
Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:

Joe Hey <joehey@mailinator.com> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 01:11:27 +0800
Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:

On 15/12/2015 10:36 PM, Joe Hey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 16:55:29 +0800
APV <nil@none.com> wrote:

On 14-Dec-15 11:41 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
Well, I know not all Americans are morons, but this says a
great deal about how sadly lacking their education system
is:

http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/2015/12/08/woodland-rejects-solar-farm/


"She is a retired Northampton science teacher and is
concerned that photosynthesis, which depends upon sunlight,
would not happen and would keep the plants from growing.
She said she has observed areas near solar panels where the
plants are brown and dead because they did not get enough
sunlight.

She also questioned the high number of cancer deaths in the
area, saying no one could tell her that solar panels didn’t
cause cancer."

Joe (I think wind turbines are a blight, but fucking big
holes in the ground and pollution is fine) Hockey will be
right at home amongst this level of ignorance.




Not just the yanks. I just heard a woman on ABC radio
spouting of about how she'd "read scientific studies on the
internet" that proved immunization causes autism.

Those studies really do exist and seem to point out that
multiple vaccinations such as measles+mumps+rubella do cause
autism like symptoms in some cases.

Of course such science is immediately suppressed and
researchers 'Wakefielded' almost instantly.


Of course you have evidence of this?




Read the papers by Wakefield and his colleagues who got chastised
for daring to publish their work.

No one has reproduced his findings in the last twenty years

That is one example of the standard lame non-argument.
If nobody _tries_ to reproduce his findings, obviously nobody _will_
ever be able to confirm them.
This kind of research is embargoed, unless it's set-up with the
intent to sabotage.

That is one example of the standard lame conspiracy theory
non-argument. Nobody has disproved the theory that the moon landings
were a hoax because that investigation is embargoed.

I really don't see what moon landings have to do with this.

and it is
now known that Wakefield kept secret the fact that he was being
paid to find a link between vaccination and autism
http://briandeer.com/mmr/lancet-deer-1.htm>. Why do you choose to
believe Wakefield instead of the General Medical Council
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield>?

The 'General Medical Council' was later severely chastised in court
when Wakefields friend, the professor, who _did_ have the money to
defend himself in court, won on all counts.
This professor, one of the co-authors, was rehabilitated.

No. The court merely found the GMC had exceeded their authority when
the struck him off the medical register. They made no findings about
his research <http://www.bbc.com/news/health-17283751>.

Ever seen the BBC being impartial? What a joke...

joe


> >Wakefield didn't seem to have the money for that battle.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 19/12/2015 7:00 PM, Joe Hey wrote:

On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:42:04 +1100
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 19/12/2015 12:38 PM, Joe Hey wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 06:33:35 +1100
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 16/12/2015 4:11 AM, Clocky wrote:
On 15/12/2015 10:36 PM, Joe Hey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 16:55:29 +0800
APV <nil@none.com> wrote:

On 14-Dec-15 11:41 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
Well, I know not all Americans are morons, but this says a
great deal about how sadly lacking their education system is:

http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/2015/12/08/woodland-rejects-solar-farm/



"She is a retired Northampton science teacher and is concerned
that photosynthesis, which depends upon sunlight, would not
happen and would keep the plants from growing. She said she has
observed areas near solar panels where the plants are brown and
dead because they did not get enough sunlight.

She also questioned the high number of cancer deaths in the
area, saying no one could tell her that solar panels didn’t
cause cancer."

Joe (I think wind turbines are a blight, but fucking big holes
in the ground and pollution is fine) Hockey will be right at
home amongst this level of ignorance.




Not just the yanks. I just heard a woman on ABC radio spouting
of about how she'd "read scientific studies on the internet"
that proved immunization causes autism.

Those studies really do exist and seem to point out that multiple
vaccinations such as measles+mumps+rubella do cause autism like
symptoms in some cases.

Of course such science is immediately suppressed and researchers
'Wakefielded' almost instantly.


Of course you have evidence of this?




**Of course not. Like all 'anti-vaxers' this guy is a complete
moron, who will post anything, despite the lack of evidence.


Apparently some Australians are morons too.


**Of course. Just as we have AGW deniers, we have anti-vaxers as
well. They are all, of course, on the bottom end of the IQ bell curve.



Yeah, the right bottom end.
The funny thing is that the 'deniers' come with arguments, and the
zealots subsequently don't seem to have any other argument than to call
them names.

**AGW deniers don't have any arguments. Their sole argument relies on
ignorance of the facts. Anti-vaxers arguments rely on absence of
reliable information.

Oh, and fear and bullying of course. (If you don't vaccinate your child
against --chicken pox for instance-- you are an irresponsible parent
endangering his child's life.)

**Correct.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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[Trevor Wilson]

On 20/12/2015 2:14 AM, Joe Hey wrote:

On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 19:28:09 +1100
Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:

Joe Hey <joehey@mailinator.com> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:18:53 +1100
Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:

Joe Hey <joehey@mailinator.com> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 01:11:27 +0800
Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:

On 15/12/2015 10:36 PM, Joe Hey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 16:55:29 +0800
APV <nil@none.com> wrote:

On 14-Dec-15 11:41 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
Well, I know not all Americans are morons, but this says a
great deal about how sadly lacking their education system
is:

http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/2015/12/08/woodland-rejects-solar-farm/


"She is a retired Northampton science teacher and is
concerned that photosynthesis, which depends upon sunlight,
would not happen and would keep the plants from growing.
She said she has observed areas near solar panels where the
plants are brown and dead because they did not get enough
sunlight.

She also questioned the high number of cancer deaths in the
area, saying no one could tell her that solar panels didn’t
cause cancer."

Joe (I think wind turbines are a blight, but fucking big
holes in the ground and pollution is fine) Hockey will be
right at home amongst this level of ignorance.




Not just the yanks. I just heard a woman on ABC radio
spouting of about how she'd "read scientific studies on the
internet" that proved immunization causes autism.

Those studies really do exist and seem to point out that
multiple vaccinations such as measles+mumps+rubella do cause
autism like symptoms in some cases.

Of course such science is immediately suppressed and
researchers 'Wakefielded' almost instantly.


Of course you have evidence of this?




Read the papers by Wakefield and his colleagues who got chastised
for daring to publish their work.

No one has reproduced his findings in the last twenty years

That is one example of the standard lame non-argument.
If nobody _tries_ to reproduce his findings, obviously nobody _will_
ever be able to confirm them.
This kind of research is embargoed, unless it's set-up with the
intent to sabotage.

That is one example of the standard lame conspiracy theory
non-argument. Nobody has disproved the theory that the moon landings
were a hoax because that investigation is embargoed.

I really don't see what moon landings have to do with this.

**Anti-vaxers, AGW deniers, Moon landing deniers and God-bothers tend to
be in the same sub-set.

and it is
now known that Wakefield kept secret the fact that he was being
paid to find a link between vaccination and autism
http://briandeer.com/mmr/lancet-deer-1.htm>. Why do you choose to
believe Wakefield instead of the General Medical Council
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield>?

The 'General Medical Council' was later severely chastised in court
when Wakefields friend, the professor, who _did_ have the money to
defend himself in court, won on all counts.
This professor, one of the co-authors, was rehabilitated.

No. The court merely found the GMC had exceeded their authority when
the struck him off the medical register. They made no findings about
his research <http://www.bbc.com/news/health-17283751>.

Ever seen the BBC being impartial? What a joke...

**Yes, I have seen the BBC being impartial.




--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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[keithr]

On 18/12/2015 5:49 AM, Je�us wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 21:02:11 +1000, keithr <no-one@nowhere.com.au
wrote:

On 17/12/2015 7:31 AM, Je?us wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 20:54:58 +1000, keithr <no-one@nowhere.com.au
wrote:

On 16/12/2015 1:55 PM, Je?us wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 12:14:21 +1000, Adrian Jansen <adrian@qq.vv.net
wrote:

On 16/12/2015 7:17 AM, Je?us wrote:


Depends which immunisation - studies have linked one of them to a very low
risk of triggering autism.

Not that the ratio is much consolation to the parent's whose kid gets it.

Never mind what the kid him/herself thinks about it...


Thinking parents dont want their kids to get measles, diphtheria or
whooping cough either. All are bad, and can cause complications leading
to death. Ever seen the stats on how many ?

Did I say they shouldn't be immunised?

I think that immunisation is a good idea, but, when I was a kid,
measles, chicken pox, and mumps were just a part of growing up. You
usually got them early on in primary school.

True. Too many kids grow up in what is basically a too sterile an
environment these days as well. Immunisation is a good thing of
course, but I think a lot of people need to be a little more
discriminating about when and what to get immunised *for* rather than
by default running off and getting a jab without weighing up if it is
really necessary, or even a good idea at all.

I seem to remember getting immunised for the really dangerous stuff,
diphtheria, scarlet fever, whooping cough etc. I never got mumps so I
reckoned that if any of my kids got it I was going to move out for the
duration.

Last jabs I had was 1996, one tetanus shot because of ticks and the
other was a bad decision on my part - a flu shot, which naturally gave
me flu symptoms... interestingly I've never had the flu since then,
and I'm not even sure when/if I've had flu prior to that jab, to be
honest.

Being old and diabetic, the gummint encourage me to have flu shots, but
I've only had flu once in my life, 45 years ago. I had a tetanus shot
two years ago in New Zealand when I managed to rip the bottom off a big
toe, I think that my doctor wants me to have a pneumonia jab too, but I
have to have an injection 4 times a day as it is and that is quite enough.

 

[keithr]

On 20/12/2015 1:14 AM, Joe Hey wrote:

On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 19:28:09 +1100
Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:

Joe Hey <joehey@mailinator.com> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:18:53 +1100
Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:

Joe Hey <joehey@mailinator.com> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 01:11:27 +0800
Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:

On 15/12/2015 10:36 PM, Joe Hey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 16:55:29 +0800
APV <nil@none.com> wrote:

On 14-Dec-15 11:41 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
Well, I know not all Americans are morons, but this says a
great deal about how sadly lacking their education system
is:

http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/2015/12/08/woodland-rejects-solar-farm/


"She is a retired Northampton science teacher and is
concerned that photosynthesis, which depends upon sunlight,
would not happen and would keep the plants from growing.
She said she has observed areas near solar panels where the
plants are brown and dead because they did not get enough
sunlight.

She also questioned the high number of cancer deaths in the
area, saying no one could tell her that solar panels didn’t
cause cancer."

Joe (I think wind turbines are a blight, but fucking big
holes in the ground and pollution is fine) Hockey will be
right at home amongst this level of ignorance.




Not just the yanks. I just heard a woman on ABC radio
spouting of about how she'd "read scientific studies on the
internet" that proved immunization causes autism.

Those studies really do exist and seem to point out that
multiple vaccinations such as measles+mumps+rubella do cause
autism like symptoms in some cases.

Of course such science is immediately suppressed and
researchers 'Wakefielded' almost instantly.


Of course you have evidence of this?




Read the papers by Wakefield and his colleagues who got chastised
for daring to publish their work.

No one has reproduced his findings in the last twenty years

That is one example of the standard lame non-argument.
If nobody _tries_ to reproduce his findings, obviously nobody _will_
ever be able to confirm them.
This kind of research is embargoed, unless it's set-up with the
intent to sabotage.

That is one example of the standard lame conspiracy theory
non-argument. Nobody has disproved the theory that the moon landings
were a hoax because that investigation is embargoed.

I really don't see what moon landings have to do with this.

and it is
now known that Wakefield kept secret the fact that he was being
paid to find a link between vaccination and autism
http://briandeer.com/mmr/lancet-deer-1.htm>. Why do you choose to
believe Wakefield instead of the General Medical Council
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield>?

The 'General Medical Council' was later severely chastised in court
when Wakefields friend, the professor, who _did_ have the money to
defend himself in court, won on all counts.
This professor, one of the co-authors, was rehabilitated.

No. The court merely found the GMC had exceeded their authority when
the struck him off the medical register. They made no findings about
his research <http://www.bbc.com/news/health-17283751>.

Ever seen the BBC being impartial? What a joke...

And what do you predfer - fox news?

 

[Joe Hey]

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 06:57:51 +1100
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 19/12/2015 7:00 PM, Joe Hey wrote:
On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:42:04 +1100
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 19/12/2015 12:38 PM, Joe Hey wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 06:33:35 +1100
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 16/12/2015 4:11 AM, Clocky wrote:
On 15/12/2015 10:36 PM, Joe Hey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 16:55:29 +0800
APV <nil@none.com> wrote:

On 14-Dec-15 11:41 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
Well, I know not all Americans are morons, but this says a
great deal about how sadly lacking their education system is:

http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/2015/12/08/woodland-rejects-solar-farm/



"She is a retired Northampton science teacher and is
concerned that photosynthesis, which depends upon sunlight,
would not happen and would keep the plants from growing. She
said she has observed areas near solar panels where the
plants are brown and dead because they did not get enough
sunlight.

She also questioned the high number of cancer deaths in the
area, saying no one could tell her that solar panels didn’t
cause cancer."

Joe (I think wind turbines are a blight, but fucking big
holes in the ground and pollution is fine) Hockey will be
right at home amongst this level of ignorance.




Not just the yanks. I just heard a woman on ABC radio spouting
of about how she'd "read scientific studies on the internet"
that proved immunization causes autism.

Those studies really do exist and seem to point out that
multiple vaccinations such as measles+mumps+rubella do cause
autism like symptoms in some cases.

Of course such science is immediately suppressed and
researchers 'Wakefielded' almost instantly.


Of course you have evidence of this?




**Of course not. Like all 'anti-vaxers' this guy is a complete
moron, who will post anything, despite the lack of evidence.


Apparently some Australians are morons too.


**Of course. Just as we have AGW deniers, we have anti-vaxers as
well. They are all, of course, on the bottom end of the IQ bell
curve.



Yeah, the right bottom end.
The funny thing is that the 'deniers' come with arguments, and the
zealots subsequently don't seem to have any other argument than to
call them names.

**AGW deniers don't have any arguments. Their sole argument relies on
ignorance of the facts.

You want to talk facts?
Fact is that climate models are highly parameter adjusted and
calibrated sets of formulas that seem to give a more or less accurate
representation of the history of earth's temperatures.

But you can not extrapolate those models into areas outside the
parameter range in which they are calibrated.

Which leaves us with no predictable temperature prediction at all.

And therefore no proof of AGW.
We know that the sun has periods of high and low activity though, which
tend to cause variations in the global temperatures.

But proof that this is AGW? Sorry, there is none.
Only suspicions, suggested by people working in science whose budgets
are depending on their allegiance to the AGW mantra.

Anti-vaxers arguments rely on absence of
reliable information.

Calling people who want to take the necessary precautions in vaccinating
their children 'anti-vaxers' is a form of unhealthy radicalization.
It's the same as calling people who want to stop the brutal treatment
of Palestinians 'anti-semites'.

Oh, and fear and bullying of course. (If you don't vaccinate your
child against --chicken pox for instance-- you are an irresponsible
parent endangering his child's life.)

**Correct.

Chicken pox? I think you need a mental check-up...

joe

 

[Gordon Levi]

Joe Hey <joehey@mailinator.com> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 19:28:09 +1100
Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:

Joe Hey <joehey@mailinator.com> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:18:53 +1100
Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:

Joe Hey <joehey@mailinator.com> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 01:11:27 +0800
Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:

On 15/12/2015 10:36 PM, Joe Hey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 16:55:29 +0800
APV <nil@none.com> wrote:

On 14-Dec-15 11:41 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
Well, I know not all Americans are morons, but this says a
great deal about how sadly lacking their education system
is:

http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/2015/12/08/woodland-rejects-solar-farm/


"She is a retired Northampton science teacher and is
concerned that photosynthesis, which depends upon sunlight,
would not happen and would keep the plants from growing.
She said she has observed areas near solar panels where the
plants are brown and dead because they did not get enough
sunlight.

She also questioned the high number of cancer deaths in the
area, saying no one could tell her that solar panels didn’t
cause cancer."

Joe (I think wind turbines are a blight, but fucking big
holes in the ground and pollution is fine) Hockey will be
right at home amongst this level of ignorance.




Not just the yanks. I just heard a woman on ABC radio
spouting of about how she'd "read scientific studies on the
internet" that proved immunization causes autism.

Those studies really do exist and seem to point out that
multiple vaccinations such as measles+mumps+rubella do cause
autism like symptoms in some cases.

Of course such science is immediately suppressed and
researchers 'Wakefielded' almost instantly.


Of course you have evidence of this?




Read the papers by Wakefield and his colleagues who got chastised
for daring to publish their work.

No one has reproduced his findings in the last twenty years

That is one example of the standard lame non-argument.
If nobody _tries_ to reproduce his findings, obviously nobody _will_
ever be able to confirm them.
This kind of research is embargoed, unless it's set-up with the
intent to sabotage.

That is one example of the standard lame conspiracy theory
non-argument. Nobody has disproved the theory that the moon landings
were a hoax because that investigation is embargoed.

I really don't see what moon landings have to do with this.

Of course you don't. You probably think that those who said that the
moon landings were a hoax are crazed conspiracy theorists. You can't
see that your opposition to vaccinations relies on exactly the same
non-arguments.

and it is
now known that Wakefield kept secret the fact that he was being
paid to find a link between vaccination and autism
http://briandeer.com/mmr/lancet-deer-1.htm>. Why do you choose to
believe Wakefield instead of the General Medical Council
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield>?

The 'General Medical Council' was later severely chastised in court
when Wakefields friend, the professor, who _did_ have the money to
defend himself in court, won on all counts.
This professor, one of the co-authors, was rehabilitated.

No. The court merely found the GMC had exceeded their authority when
the struck him off the medical register. They made no findings about
his research <http://www.bbc.com/news/health-17283751>.

Ever seen the BBC being impartial? What a joke...

You have not provided a reference for _any_ of your assertions. I can
see why that would be extremely difficult for your general conspiracy
theories. However, Professor Walker-Smith's appeal judgment is
straightforward and documented. If you believe the BBC misreported it
you must be able to find another report and tell us how it differs
from that given by the BBC.

 

[Joe Hey]

On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 01:22:23 +1100
Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:

Joe Hey <joehey@mailinator.com> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 19:28:09 +1100
Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:

Joe Hey <joehey@mailinator.com> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:18:53 +1100
Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:

Joe Hey <joehey@mailinator.com> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 01:11:27 +0800
Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> wrote:

On 15/12/2015 10:36 PM, Joe Hey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 16:55:29 +0800
APV <nil@none.com> wrote:

On 14-Dec-15 11:41 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
Well, I know not all Americans are morons, but this says
a great deal about how sadly lacking their education
system is:

http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/2015/12/08/woodland-rejects-solar-farm/


"She is a retired Northampton science teacher and is
concerned that photosynthesis, which depends upon
sunlight, would not happen and would keep the plants
from growing. She said she has observed areas near solar
panels where the plants are brown and dead because they
did not get enough sunlight.

She also questioned the high number of cancer deaths in
the area, saying no one could tell her that solar panels
didn’t cause cancer."

Joe (I think wind turbines are a blight, but fucking big
holes in the ground and pollution is fine) Hockey will be
right at home amongst this level of ignorance.




Not just the yanks. I just heard a woman on ABC radio
spouting of about how she'd "read scientific studies on
the internet" that proved immunization causes autism.

Those studies really do exist and seem to point out that
multiple vaccinations such as measles+mumps+rubella do
cause autism like symptoms in some cases.

Of course such science is immediately suppressed and
researchers 'Wakefielded' almost instantly.


Of course you have evidence of this?




Read the papers by Wakefield and his colleagues who got
chastised for daring to publish their work.

No one has reproduced his findings in the last twenty years

That is one example of the standard lame non-argument.
If nobody _tries_ to reproduce his findings, obviously nobody
_will_ ever be able to confirm them.
This kind of research is embargoed, unless it's set-up with the
intent to sabotage.

That is one example of the standard lame conspiracy theory
non-argument. Nobody has disproved the theory that the moon
landings were a hoax because that investigation is embargoed.

I really don't see what moon landings have to do with this.

Of course you don't. You probably think that those who said that the
moon landings were a hoax are crazed conspiracy theorists. You can't
see that your opposition to vaccinations relies on exactly the same
non-arguments.

My 'opposition to vaccinations' are your words.
What I'm for is a careful trade off of the need of vaccines against
their side effects.
Maintaining that there are no side effects is insane in the light that
in the USA already 60 billion dollars have been paid out in vaccine
damage compensations.
And if you had read about the girls whose lives have been destroyed by
a (HPV) vaccine that was only supposed to protect them from some rarely
occurring--nothing like an epidemic--cervical cancers, you'd also stop
for a while and think about it.
So yes, vaccines are inherently unsafe and need proper consideration.
And not by greedy pharmaceutical companies or their cronies who happen
to sit on the evaluation boards.
I want a separate measles vaccine and a separate injectable (i.e. not
oral) polio vaccine, and I do not want to be forced to get injected
with one of those combination vaccines that attack your immune system
with multiple disease components at the same time.
And no mercury, squalene, formaldehyde, aluminium in my blood too.
Is that too much to ask?
For me it's common sense.

and it is
now known that Wakefield kept secret the fact that he was being
paid to find a link between vaccination and autism
http://briandeer.com/mmr/lancet-deer-1.htm>. Why do you choose
to believe Wakefield instead of the General Medical Council
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield>?

The 'General Medical Council' was later severely chastised in
court when Wakefields friend, the professor, who _did_ have the
money to defend himself in court, won on all counts.
This professor, one of the co-authors, was rehabilitated.

No. The court merely found the GMC had exceeded their authority
when the struck him off the medical register. They made no
findings about his research
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-17283751>.

Ever seen the BBC being impartial? What a joke...

You have not provided a reference for _any_ of your assertions. I can
see why that would be extremely difficult for your general conspiracy
theories. However, Professor Walker-Smith's appeal judgment is
straightforward and documented. If you believe the BBC misreported it
you must be able to find another report and tell us how it differs
from that given by the BBC.

Why don't you go over the research that has been carried out by
Wakefield et al and tell me what went wrong there?

joe

 

[Joe Hey]

On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 01:22:23 +1100
Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:

}snip{

That is one example of the standard lame conspiracy theory
non-argument. Nobody has disproved the theory that the moon
landings were a hoax because that investigation is embargoed.

I really don't see what moon landings have to do with this.

Of course you don't.

** correct

And now I'm waiting for you to start comparing me with Hitler...

joe

 

[Ian Field]

"keithr" <no-one@nowhere.com.au> wrote in message
news:ddnjktF168lU1@mid.individual.net...

On 18/12/2015 5:49 AM, Je�us wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 21:02:11 +1000, keithr <no-one@nowhere.com.au
wrote:

On 17/12/2015 7:31 AM, Je?us wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 20:54:58 +1000, keithr <no-one@nowhere.com.au
wrote:

On 16/12/2015 1:55 PM, Je?us wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 12:14:21 +1000, Adrian Jansen <adrian@qq.vv.net
wrote:

On 16/12/2015 7:17 AM, Je?us wrote:


Depends which immunisation - studies have linked one of them to a
very low
risk of triggering autism.

Not that the ratio is much consolation to the parent's whose kid
gets it.

Never mind what the kid him/herself thinks about it...


Thinking parents dont want their kids to get measles, diphtheria or
whooping cough either. All are bad, and can cause complications
leading
to death. Ever seen the stats on how many ?

Did I say they shouldn't be immunised?

I think that immunisation is a good idea, but, when I was a kid,
measles, chicken pox, and mumps were just a part of growing up. You
usually got them early on in primary school.

True. Too many kids grow up in what is basically a too sterile an
environment these days as well. Immunisation is a good thing of
course, but I think a lot of people need to be a little more
discriminating about when and what to get immunised *for* rather than
by default running off and getting a jab without weighing up if it is
really necessary, or even a good idea at all.

I seem to remember getting immunised for the really dangerous stuff,
diphtheria, scarlet fever, whooping cough etc. I never got mumps so I
reckoned that if any of my kids got it I was going to move out for the
duration.

Last jabs I had was 1996, one tetanus shot because of ticks and the
other was a bad decision on my part - a flu shot, which naturally gave
me flu symptoms... interestingly I've never had the flu since then,
and I'm not even sure when/if I've had flu prior to that jab, to be
honest.

Being old and diabetic, the gummint encourage me to have flu shots, but
I've only had flu once in my life, 45 years ago.

Last time I had a flu shot, I got it worse than if I'd caught a dose.

Ever since then, I just take my chances.

If you take enough vitamin C - it gives you the shits, very handy for
purging a dose of the lurgies.

 

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:01:48 +1100, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Jeßus wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 21:02:11 +1000, keithr <no-one@nowhere.com.au
wrote:

On 17/12/2015 7:31 AM, Je?us wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 20:54:58 +1000, keithr <no-one@nowhere.com.au
wrote:

On 16/12/2015 1:55 PM, Je?us wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 12:14:21 +1000, Adrian Jansen <adrian@qq.vv.net
wrote:

On 16/12/2015 7:17 AM, Je?us wrote:


Depends which immunisation - studies have linked one of them to a very low
risk of triggering autism.

Not that the ratio is much consolation to the parent's whose kid gets it.

Never mind what the kid him/herself thinks about it...


Thinking parents dont want their kids to get measles, diphtheria or
whooping cough either. All are bad, and can cause complications leading
to death. Ever seen the stats on how many ?

Did I say they shouldn't be immunised?

I think that immunisation is a good idea, but, when I was a kid,
measles, chicken pox, and mumps were just a part of growing up. You
usually got them early on in primary school.

True. Too many kids grow up in what is basically a too sterile an
environment these days as well. Immunisation is a good thing of
course, but I think a lot of people need to be a little more
discriminating about when and what to get immunised *for* rather than
by default running off and getting a jab without weighing up if it is
really necessary, or even a good idea at all.

I seem to remember getting immunised for the really dangerous stuff,
diphtheria, scarlet fever, whooping cough etc. I never got mumps so I
reckoned that if any of my kids got it I was going to move out for the
duration.

Last jabs I had was 1996, one tetanus shot because of ticks and the
other was a bad decision on my part - a flu shot, which naturally gave
me flu symptoms... interestingly I've never had the flu since then,
and I'm not even sure when/if I've had flu prior to that jab, to be
honest.

If you never get on a train(where the flu is kept ) or go to big
shopping centres you are less likely to.

For sure. I remember back in 2000 when I was at TAFE, most ppl there
came down with the flu. Given the way the building was sealed up I
thought it inevitable that I would also get it... nope. For some
reason, all the strains I have so far come into contact with seems to
have little to no effect on me <shrug>.

 

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 22:01:34 +1000, keithr <no-one@nowhere.com.au>
wrote:

On 18/12/2015 5:49 AM, Je?us wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 21:02:11 +1000, keithr <no-one@nowhere.com.au
wrote:

On 17/12/2015 7:31 AM, Je?us wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 20:54:58 +1000, keithr <no-one@nowhere.com.au
wrote:

On 16/12/2015 1:55 PM, Je?us wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 12:14:21 +1000, Adrian Jansen <adrian@qq.vv.net
wrote:

On 16/12/2015 7:17 AM, Je?us wrote:


Depends which immunisation - studies have linked one of them to a very low
risk of triggering autism.

Not that the ratio is much consolation to the parent's whose kid gets it.

Never mind what the kid him/herself thinks about it...


Thinking parents dont want their kids to get measles, diphtheria or
whooping cough either. All are bad, and can cause complications leading
to death. Ever seen the stats on how many ?

Did I say they shouldn't be immunised?

I think that immunisation is a good idea, but, when I was a kid,
measles, chicken pox, and mumps were just a part of growing up. You
usually got them early on in primary school.

True. Too many kids grow up in what is basically a too sterile an
environment these days as well. Immunisation is a good thing of
course, but I think a lot of people need to be a little more
discriminating about when and what to get immunised *for* rather than
by default running off and getting a jab without weighing up if it is
really necessary, or even a good idea at all.

I seem to remember getting immunised for the really dangerous stuff,
diphtheria, scarlet fever, whooping cough etc. I never got mumps so I
reckoned that if any of my kids got it I was going to move out for the
duration.

Last jabs I had was 1996, one tetanus shot because of ticks and the
other was a bad decision on my part - a flu shot, which naturally gave
me flu symptoms... interestingly I've never had the flu since then,
and I'm not even sure when/if I've had flu prior to that jab, to be
honest.

Being old and diabetic, the gummint encourage me to have flu shots, but
I've only had flu once in my life, 45 years ago. I had a tetanus shot
two years ago in New Zealand when I managed to rip the bottom off a big
toe, I think that my doctor wants me to have a pneumonia jab too, but I
have to have an injection 4 times a day as it is and that is quite enough.

Don't blame you for that point of view.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 21/12/2015 12:37 AM, Joe Hey wrote:

On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 06:57:51 +1100
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 19/12/2015 7:00 PM, Joe Hey wrote:
On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 14:42:04 +1100
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 19/12/2015 12:38 PM, Joe Hey wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 06:33:35 +1100
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 16/12/2015 4:11 AM, Clocky wrote:
On 15/12/2015 10:36 PM, Joe Hey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 16:55:29 +0800
APV <nil@none.com> wrote:

On 14-Dec-15 11:41 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
Well, I know not all Americans are morons, but this says a
great deal about how sadly lacking their education system is:

http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/2015/12/08/woodland-rejects-solar-farm/



"She is a retired Northampton science teacher and is
concerned that photosynthesis, which depends upon sunlight,
would not happen and would keep the plants from growing. She
said she has observed areas near solar panels where the
plants are brown and dead because they did not get enough
sunlight.

She also questioned the high number of cancer deaths in the
area, saying no one could tell her that solar panels didn’t
cause cancer."

Joe (I think wind turbines are a blight, but fucking big
holes in the ground and pollution is fine) Hockey will be
right at home amongst this level of ignorance.




Not just the yanks. I just heard a woman on ABC radio spouting
of about how she'd "read scientific studies on the internet"
that proved immunization causes autism.

Those studies really do exist and seem to point out that
multiple vaccinations such as measles+mumps+rubella do cause
autism like symptoms in some cases.

Of course such science is immediately suppressed and
researchers 'Wakefielded' almost instantly.


Of course you have evidence of this?




**Of course not. Like all 'anti-vaxers' this guy is a complete
moron, who will post anything, despite the lack of evidence.


Apparently some Australians are morons too.


**Of course. Just as we have AGW deniers, we have anti-vaxers as
well. They are all, of course, on the bottom end of the IQ bell
curve.



Yeah, the right bottom end.
The funny thing is that the 'deniers' come with arguments, and the
zealots subsequently don't seem to have any other argument than to
call them names.

**AGW deniers don't have any arguments. Their sole argument relies on
ignorance of the facts.

You want to talk facts?

**This will be fun.

Fact is that climate models are highly parameter adjusted and
calibrated sets of formulas that seem to give a more or less accurate
representation of the history of earth's temperatures.

**Forget the models then. Just look at the measurements.

But you can not extrapolate those models into areas outside the
parameter range in which they are calibrated.

Which leaves us with no predictable temperature prediction at all.

**Bullshit. Average temperatures have risen across the planet in the
past 150 years. The measurements are beyond dispute. Unless you happen
to be a complete idiot.

And therefore no proof of AGW.

**Climatologists have expressed, with around 95% confidence that AGW is
responsible for the measured warming. That is not proof. It is, OTOH,
utterly overwhelming evidence to support the theory.

We know that the sun has periods of high and low activity though, which
tend to cause variations in the global temperatures.

**And, despite the fact that Solar activity is at an historical low
level, the planet is still warming.

But proof that this is AGW? Sorry, there is none.

**As I stated before, climatologists do not claim that AGW is fact. It
is, however, the only only credible theory to explain the warming.

Only suspicions, suggested by people working in science whose budgets
are depending on their allegiance to the AGW mantra.

**Really? That old chestnut. OK, I'll bite, but YOU need to explain the
following:

* During the time that John Howard was PM of Australia, he expressed
severe doubts that AGW theory has any credibility. Despite this and the
fact that he signed the pay cheques of the climatologists working at
BoM, CSIRO, The Australian Academy of Science and other places, those
same climatologists were all issuing clear warnings to the PM that he
was wrong.

* During the time that George W Bush was president of the US, the
climatologists at NASA, the US EPA, the US National Weather Service,
NOAA, etc, whose climatologists were all paid by the US government, all
expressed their opinion that AGW theory was valid and the only
explanation for the warming that has been measured over the past 150
years. This, despite the fact that Dubya expressed his opinion that AGW
theory was wrong. Due, in no small part, to the fact that he is brain
damaged and in cahoots with the oil industry.

So, explain that.

Anti-vaxers arguments rely on absence of
reliable information.

Calling people who want to take the necessary precautions in vaccinating
their children 'anti-vaxers' is a form of unhealthy radicalization.
It's the same as calling people who want to stop the brutal treatment
of Palestinians 'anti-semites'.

**No, it is not. Anti-vaxers ignore science and prefer to dabble in
bullshit.

Oh, and fear and bullying of course. (If you don't vaccinate your
child against --chicken pox for instance-- you are an irresponsible
parent endangering his child's life.)

**Correct.

Chicken pox? I think you need a mental check-up...

**Given your moronic statements to date, I am not the one requiring
help. All you can present is bullshit and myth. No facts at all.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 01:43:37 +0000, Joe Hey <joehey@mailinator.com>
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 08:31:33 +1100
Je_us <j@invalid.lan> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 20:54:58 +1000, keithr <no-one@nowhere.com.au
wrote:

On 16/12/2015 1:55 PM, Je?us wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 12:14:21 +1000, Adrian Jansen
adrian@qq.vv.net> wrote:

On 16/12/2015 7:17 AM, Je?us wrote:


Depends which immunisation - studies have linked one of them to
a very low risk of triggering autism.

Not that the ratio is much consolation to the parent's whose
kid gets it.

Never mind what the kid him/herself thinks about it...


Thinking parents dont want their kids to get measles, diphtheria
or whooping cough either. All are bad, and can cause
complications leading to death. Ever seen the stats on how many ?

Did I say they shouldn't be immunised?

I think that immunisation is a good idea, but, when I was a kid,
measles, chicken pox, and mumps were just a part of growing up. You
usually got them early on in primary school.

True. Too many kids grow up in what is basically a too sterile an
environment these days as well. Immunisation is a good thing of
course, but I think a lot of people need to be a little more
discriminating about when and what to get immunised *for* rather than
by default running off and getting a jab without weighing up if it is
really necessary, or even a good idea at all.

Yeah, yeah, 'immunisation is a good thing of course'.
How much immunisation exactly is 'a good thing'?

Not sure if you're agreeing or not with me there.

American schedules? Does anyone know _where_ the rate of autism _and_
SID are relatively higher? Right: USA. That's why Americans are morons,
and people going that path are too.

It could be merely one of many reasons why they're morons. I would
argue TV is a more significant cause. Not sure what the correlation
between having autism and necessarily being a moron is though...

Polio vaccination? OK.
Measles? Only if you haven't had it as a kid.
Whooping cough? Not necessarily, our hospitals are very good.
Chicken pox? Just make sure the kid doesn't scratch.
HPV? My God! NO!

joe

 

[Joe Hey]

On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 07:34:37 +1100
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 21/12/2015 12:37 AM, Joe Hey wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 06:57:51 +1100
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

}snip{

Fact is that climate models are highly parameter adjusted and
calibrated sets of formulas that seem to give a more or less
accurate representation of the history of earth's temperatures.

**Forget the models then. Just look at the measurements.

Measurements say the last 15 years or so there has been no significant
global warming.

But you can not extrapolate those models into areas outside the
parameter range in which they are calibrated.

Which leaves us with no predictable temperature prediction at all.

**Bullshit. Average temperatures have risen across the planet in the
past 150 years. The measurements are beyond dispute.

No, they are not, as 'climate gate' suggests.

Unless you
happen to be a complete idiot.

Am I calling you names?
Calling names signifies weakness of arguments.

And nobody disputes the influence of the sun's activity on the
earth's temperature.

And therefore no proof of AGW.

**Climatologists have expressed, with around 95% confidence that AGW
is responsible for the measured warming. That is not proof. It is,
OTOH, utterly overwhelming evidence to support the theory.

If it's no proof then it's no evidence.
And 'climatologists have expressed... sorry, I'm not a member of the
climatology church.

We know that the sun has periods of high and low activity though,
which tend to cause variations in the global temperatures.

**And, despite the fact that Solar activity is at an historical low
level, the planet is still warming.

I really thought the earth stopped warming the last 15 years or so.

But proof that this is AGW? Sorry, there is none.

**As I stated before, climatologists do not claim that AGW is fact.
It is, however, the only only credible theory to explain the warming.

Let's go back to the solar activity...

Only suspicions, suggested by people working in science whose
budgets are depending on their allegiance to the AGW mantra.

**Really? That old chestnut. OK, I'll bite, but YOU need to explain
the following:

* During the time that John Howard was PM of Australia, he expressed
severe doubts that AGW theory has any credibility. Despite this and
the fact that he signed the pay cheques of the climatologists working
at BoM, CSIRO, The Australian Academy of Science and other places,
those same climatologists were all issuing clear warnings to the PM
that he was wrong.

Of course, it would be wrong if a PM were able to influence the
direction of scientific programmes.

* During the time that George W Bush was president of the US, the
climatologists at NASA, the US EPA, the US National Weather Service,
NOAA, etc, whose climatologists were all paid by the US government,
all expressed their opinion that AGW theory was valid and the only
explanation for the warming that has been measured over the past 150
years. This, despite the fact that Dubya expressed his opinion that
AGW theory was wrong. Due, in no small part, to the fact that he is
brain damaged and in cahoots with the oil industry.

So, explain that.

In the USA on the contrary, in agreement with the title of this thread,
government does indeed have some influence on the scientific truth.

Anti-vaxers arguments rely on absence of
reliable information.

Calling people who want to take the necessary precautions in
vaccinating their children 'anti-vaxers' is a form of unhealthy
radicalization. It's the same as calling people who want to stop
the brutal treatment of Palestinians 'anti-semites'.

**No, it is not. Anti-vaxers ignore science and prefer to dabble in
bullshit.

Science suggests there is a relationship between autism (and other
conditions) and some vaccinations. Why is that such a problem for you
that you immediately start calling people with caution 'anti-vaxers',
which they are not?
I'm not willing to submit myself to a rogue pharmaceutical industry
that has gotten immunity from prosecution in case their product fails,
or worse, and are pushing all kinds of vaccinations like crazy.
Of course they have a financial interest.
I have my own health interests and therefore follow the precautionary
principle.

Oh, and fear and bullying of course. (If you don't vaccinate your
child against --chicken pox for instance-- you are an
irresponsible parent endangering his child's life.)

**Correct.

Chicken pox? I think you need a mental check-up...

**Given your moronic statements to date, I am not the one requiring
help. All you can present is bullshit and myth. No facts at all.

Can you please try to debate on a little bit more educated level
instead of calling names?

How does chicken pox endanger one's life?


Oh, and what is your opinion about roundup-ready GMO?


joe

 

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On 20/12/2015 8:01 PM, keithr wrote:

On 18/12/2015 5:49 AM, Je�us wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 21:02:11 +1000, keithr <no-one@nowhere.com.au
wrote:

On 17/12/2015 7:31 AM, Je?us wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 20:54:58 +1000, keithr <no-one@nowhere.com.au
wrote:

On 16/12/2015 1:55 PM, Je?us wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 12:14:21 +1000, Adrian Jansen <adrian@qq.vv.net
wrote:

On 16/12/2015 7:17 AM, Je?us wrote:


Depends which immunisation - studies have linked one of them to
a very low
risk of triggering autism.

Not that the ratio is much consolation to the parent's whose
kid gets it.

Never mind what the kid him/herself thinks about it...


Thinking parents dont want their kids to get measles, diphtheria or
whooping cough either. All are bad, and can cause complications
leading
to death. Ever seen the stats on how many ?

Did I say they shouldn't be immunised?

I think that immunisation is a good idea, but, when I was a kid,
measles, chicken pox, and mumps were just a part of growing up. You
usually got them early on in primary school.

True. Too many kids grow up in what is basically a too sterile an
environment these days as well. Immunisation is a good thing of
course, but I think a lot of people need to be a little more
discriminating about when and what to get immunised *for* rather than
by default running off and getting a jab without weighing up if it is
really necessary, or even a good idea at all.

I seem to remember getting immunised for the really dangerous stuff,
diphtheria, scarlet fever, whooping cough etc. I never got mumps so I
reckoned that if any of my kids got it I was going to move out for the
duration.

Last jabs I had was 1996, one tetanus shot because of ticks and the
other was a bad decision on my part - a flu shot, which naturally gave
me flu symptoms... interestingly I've never had the flu since then,
and I'm not even sure when/if I've had flu prior to that jab, to be
honest.

Being old and diabetic, the gummint encourage me to have flu shots, but
I've only had flu once in my life, 45 years ago. I had a tetanus shot
two years ago in New Zealand when I managed to rip the bottom off a big
toe, I think that my doctor wants me to have a pneumonia jab too, but I
have to have an injection 4 times a day as it is and that is quite enough.

I should probably have a tetanus booster shot given that I get cuts on a
regular basis and it's been about 20 years since the last one.

When I went all over the EU for 6 months in 2002 I had a flu shot before
going and did not as much as get a cold on the whole trip.
Whether the flu shot was of any benefit I will never know though, might
have just been blind luck but interestingly I haven't had a flue since
either.

The only sickness I did get was a bad bout of food poisoning on the
flight from Singapore to Perth on the way home. That was a truly awful
experience.