Americans are morons Part 1

[Joe Hey]

On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 07:36:33 +1100
Je_us <j@invalid.lan> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 01:43:37 +0000, Joe Hey <joehey@mailinator.com
wrote:

}snip{

Yeah, yeah, 'immunisation is a good thing of course'.
How much immunisation exactly is 'a good thing'?

Not sure if you're agreeing or not with me there.

How is quoting you sign of agreement?
I'm not against immunisation, but some people get worked up so much as
soon as they read any suggestion that vaccination might not give us the
walhalla they promise, that they can't read what I already have written
many times: I'm not per se against vaccination.

What I am against is the needle-pushing greedy pharmaceutical industry
trying to sell us as much vaccines as possible during an experiment
that only later will show whether it caused damage or not.

Look at the vaccinations schedules in the moronic USA. Insane.

American schedules? Does anyone know _where_ the rate of autism _and_
SID are relatively higher? Right: USA. That's why Americans are
morons, and people going that path are too.

It could be merely one of many reasons why they're morons. I would
argue TV is a more significant cause. Not sure what the correlation
between having autism and necessarily being a moron is though...

Or TV for that matter. But if I read you clear then in no way vaccines
can play a role? Where is that based on?

joe

Polio vaccination? OK.
Measles? Only if you haven't had it as a kid.
Whooping cough? Not necessarily, our hospitals are very good.
Chicken pox? Just make sure the kid doesn't scratch.
HPV? My God! NO!

joe

 

[Joe Hey]

On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 07:31:35 +1100
Je_us <j@invalid.lan> wrote:

}snip{

For sure. I remember back in 2000 when I was at TAFE, most ppl there
came down with the flu. Given the way the building was sealed up I
thought it inevitable that I would also get it... nope. For some
reason, all the strains I have so far come into contact with seems to
have little to no effect on me <shrug>.

Maybe it's not the strains rather than your innate immunity.

joe

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 21/12/2015 12:15 PM, Joe Hey wrote:

On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 07:34:37 +1100
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 21/12/2015 12:37 AM, Joe Hey wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 06:57:51 +1100
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

}snip{

Fact is that climate models are highly parameter adjusted and
calibrated sets of formulas that seem to give a more or less
accurate representation of the history of earth's temperatures.

**Forget the models then. Just look at the measurements.

Measurements say the last 15 years or so there has been no significant
global warming.

**Cite those alleged "measurements". (This will be fun)

I'll save you the trouble. The planet has warmed in the past 15 years
(or even 18 years, if you really want to be dishonest with your
cherry-picking. That said, the measurements show that the planet has
warmed faster and higher in the past 150 years, than at any time in the
past million years or so.

But you can not extrapolate those models into areas outside the
parameter range in which they are calibrated.

Which leaves us with no predictable temperature prediction at all.

**Bullshit. Average temperatures have risen across the planet in the
past 150 years. The measurements are beyond dispute.

No, they are not, as 'climate gate' suggests.

**Yes, they are. Cherry-picked emails, notwithstanding.

Unless you
happen to be a complete idiot.

Am I calling you names?
Calling names signifies weakness of arguments.

**I am a truth-teller. See if you can provide some data to back up your
silly claims and I will try to stop calling you what you deserve to be
called.

And nobody disputes the influence of the sun's activity on the
earth's temperature.

**Of course. No one disputes the influence of greenhouse gases (like
CO2) on the Earth's temperature either.

And therefore no proof of AGW.

**Climatologists have expressed, with around 95% confidence that AGW
is responsible for the measured warming. That is not proof. It is,
OTOH, utterly overwhelming evidence to support the theory.

If it's no proof then it's no evidence.

**Bollocks. However, I'll play your silly game. If not the influence of
GHGs, then what has caused the most rapid rise in temperatures seen on
the planet in more than a million years?

And 'climatologists have expressed... sorry, I'm not a member of the
climatology church.

**Unlike you, the scientists who study climatology don't use
supernatural claptrap to promulgate their beliefs. They use data and
science.

We know that the sun has periods of high and low activity though,
which tend to cause variations in the global temperatures.

**And, despite the fact that Solar activity is at an historical low
level, the planet is still warming.

I really thought the earth stopped warming the last 15 years or so.

**You'd be wrong. Keep believing the twaddle you read on those
conspiracy sites, if that makes you happy. I'll stick with the science.

But proof that this is AGW? Sorry, there is none.

**As I stated before, climatologists do not claim that AGW is fact.
It is, however, the only only credible theory to explain the warming.

Let's go back to the solar activity...

**Let's. Oh, did I mention that my partner is a Solar physicist? She has
studied the Sun in more detail than most people. We discuss the Solar
activity frequently. What would you like to know?

Only suspicions, suggested by people working in science whose
budgets are depending on their allegiance to the AGW mantra.

**Really? That old chestnut. OK, I'll bite, but YOU need to explain
the following:

* During the time that John Howard was PM of Australia, he expressed
severe doubts that AGW theory has any credibility. Despite this and
the fact that he signed the pay cheques of the climatologists working
at BoM, CSIRO, The Australian Academy of Science and other places,
those same climatologists were all issuing clear warnings to the PM
that he was wrong.

Of course, it would be wrong if a PM were able to influence the
direction of scientific programmes.

**And yet, your prior claim was that climatologists state whatever
they're told. They didn't do it when John Howard was in charge and they
didn't do it when Tony Abbott was in charge. In short, your claim is,
like all your other claims, unable to be backed up by facts.

* During the time that George W Bush was president of the US, the
climatologists at NASA, the US EPA, the US National Weather Service,
NOAA, etc, whose climatologists were all paid by the US government,
all expressed their opinion that AGW theory was valid and the only
explanation for the warming that has been measured over the past 150
years. This, despite the fact that Dubya expressed his opinion that
AGW theory was wrong. Due, in no small part, to the fact that he is
brain damaged and in cahoots with the oil industry.

So, explain that.

In the USA on the contrary, in agreement with the title of this thread,
government does indeed have some influence on the scientific truth.

**Explain why all those climatologists (who were employed by the US
federal government) were able to disagree with Dubya.

Anti-vaxers arguments rely on absence of
reliable information.

Calling people who want to take the necessary precautions in
vaccinating their children 'anti-vaxers' is a form of unhealthy
radicalization. It's the same as calling people who want to stop
the brutal treatment of Palestinians 'anti-semites'.

**No, it is not. Anti-vaxers ignore science and prefer to dabble in
bullshit.

Science suggests there is a relationship between autism (and other
conditions) and some vaccinations.

**Cite this alleged "science" you keep blathering on about.


Why is that such a problem for you

that you immediately start calling people with caution 'anti-vaxers',
which they are not?

**Because I call a spade a spade.

I'm not willing to submit myself to a rogue pharmaceutical industry
that has gotten immunity from prosecution in case their product fails,
or worse, and are pushing all kinds of vaccinations like crazy.
Of course they have a financial interest.
I have my own health interests and therefore follow the precautionary
principle.

Oh, and fear and bullying of course. (If you don't vaccinate your
child against --chicken pox for instance-- you are an
irresponsible parent endangering his child's life.)

**Correct.

Chicken pox? I think you need a mental check-up...

**Given your moronic statements to date, I am not the one requiring
help. All you can present is bullshit and myth. No facts at all.

Can you please try to debate on a little bit more educated level
instead of calling names?

**How about your present some facts?

How does chicken pox endanger one's life?

**Chicken pox is EXTREMELY dangerous for an unborn child. Around 10% of
pregnant women can develop pneumonia, if infected with chicken pox.
Encephalitis can occur in some adults. Death can occur in adults with
compromised immune systems, due a chicken pox infection. But you already
know this, because you have appraised yourself of the risks.

Oh, and what is your opinion about roundup-ready GMO?

**Depends on the crop. Personally, I would prefer to see all GMO crops
labelled accordingly.


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[Joe Hey]

On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 14:02:25 +1100
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 21/12/2015 12:15 PM, Joe Hey wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 07:34:37 +1100
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 21/12/2015 12:37 AM, Joe Hey wrote:
On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 06:57:51 +1100
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

}snip{

Fact is that climate models are highly parameter adjusted and
calibrated sets of formulas that seem to give a more or less
accurate representation of the history of earth's temperatures.

**Forget the models then. Just look at the measurements.

Measurements say the last 15 years or so there has been no
significant global warming.

**Cite those alleged "measurements". (This will be fun)

http://www.woodfortrees.org/graph/rss/from:1996.6/plot/rss/from:1996.6/trend

I'll save you the trouble. The planet has warmed in the past 15 years
(or even 18 years, if you really want to be dishonest with your
cherry-picking. That said, the measurements show that the planet has
warmed faster and higher in the past 150 years, than at any time in
the past million years or so.


But you can not extrapolate those models into areas outside the
parameter range in which they are calibrated.

Which leaves us with no predictable temperature prediction at all.

I should have written 'accurate temperature prediction' here.

**Bullshit. Average temperatures have risen across the planet in
the past 150 years. The measurements are beyond dispute.

Measurements of the past are no prediction of the future.
Nor are the models that are calibrated to 'explain' the past.
(In fact they don't explain anything, just reproduce.)

No, they are not, as 'climate gate' suggests.

**Yes, they are. Cherry-picked emails, notwithstanding.


Unless you
happen to be a complete idiot.

Am I calling you names?
Calling names signifies weakness of arguments.

**I am a truth-teller. See if you can provide some data to back up
your silly claims and I will try to stop calling you what you deserve
to be called.

Then the discussion with you stops here and now.
Thank you for your time and for wasting mine.

joe

And nobody disputes the influence of the sun's activity on the
earth's temperature.

**Of course. No one disputes the influence of greenhouse gases (like
CO2) on the Earth's temperature either.


And therefore no proof of AGW.

**Climatologists have expressed, with around 95% confidence that
AGW is responsible for the measured warming. That is not proof. It
is, OTOH, utterly overwhelming evidence to support the theory.

If it's no proof then it's no evidence.

**Bollocks. However, I'll play your silly game. If not the influence
of GHGs, then what has caused the most rapid rise in temperatures
seen on the planet in more than a million years?

And 'climatologists have expressed... sorry, I'm not a member of the
climatology church.

**Unlike you, the scientists who study climatology don't use
supernatural claptrap to promulgate their beliefs. They use data and
science.


We know that the sun has periods of high and low activity though,
which tend to cause variations in the global temperatures.

**And, despite the fact that Solar activity is at an historical low
level, the planet is still warming.

I really thought the earth stopped warming the last 15 years or so.

**You'd be wrong. Keep believing the twaddle you read on those
conspiracy sites, if that makes you happy. I'll stick with the
science.


But proof that this is AGW? Sorry, there is none.

**As I stated before, climatologists do not claim that AGW is fact.
It is, however, the only only credible theory to explain the
warming.

Let's go back to the solar activity...

**Let's. Oh, did I mention that my partner is a Solar physicist? She
has studied the Sun in more detail than most people. We discuss the
Solar activity frequently. What would you like to know?


Only suspicions, suggested by people working in science whose
budgets are depending on their allegiance to the AGW mantra.

**Really? That old chestnut. OK, I'll bite, but YOU need to explain
the following:

* During the time that John Howard was PM of Australia, he
expressed severe doubts that AGW theory has any credibility.
Despite this and the fact that he signed the pay cheques of the
climatologists working at BoM, CSIRO, The Australian Academy of
Science and other places, those same climatologists were all
issuing clear warnings to the PM that he was wrong.

Of course, it would be wrong if a PM were able to influence the
direction of scientific programmes.


**And yet, your prior claim was that climatologists state whatever
they're told. They didn't do it when John Howard was in charge and
they didn't do it when Tony Abbott was in charge. In short, your
claim is, like all your other claims, unable to be backed up by facts.


* During the time that George W Bush was president of the US, the
climatologists at NASA, the US EPA, the US National Weather
Service, NOAA, etc, whose climatologists were all paid by the US
government, all expressed their opinion that AGW theory was valid
and the only explanation for the warming that has been measured
over the past 150 years. This, despite the fact that Dubya
expressed his opinion that AGW theory was wrong. Due, in no small
part, to the fact that he is brain damaged and in cahoots with the
oil industry.

So, explain that.

In the USA on the contrary, in agreement with the title of this
thread, government does indeed have some influence on the
scientific truth.

**Explain why all those climatologists (who were employed by the US
federal government) were able to disagree with Dubya.


Anti-vaxers arguments rely on absence of
reliable information.

Calling people who want to take the necessary precautions in
vaccinating their children 'anti-vaxers' is a form of unhealthy
radicalization. It's the same as calling people who want to stop
the brutal treatment of Palestinians 'anti-semites'.

**No, it is not. Anti-vaxers ignore science and prefer to dabble in
bullshit.

Science suggests there is a relationship between autism (and other
conditions) and some vaccinations.

**Cite this alleged "science" you keep blathering on about.


Why is that such a problem for you
that you immediately start calling people with caution
'anti-vaxers', which they are not?

**Because I call a spade a spade.

I'm not willing to submit myself to a rogue pharmaceutical industry
that has gotten immunity from prosecution in case their product
fails, or worse, and are pushing all kinds of vaccinations like
crazy. Of course they have a financial interest.
I have my own health interests and therefore follow the
precautionary principle.

Oh, and fear and bullying of course. (If you don't vaccinate
your child against --chicken pox for instance-- you are an
irresponsible parent endangering his child's life.)

**Correct.

Chicken pox? I think you need a mental check-up...

**Given your moronic statements to date, I am not the one requiring
help. All you can present is bullshit and myth. No facts at all.

Can you please try to debate on a little bit more educated level
instead of calling names?

**How about your present some facts?


How does chicken pox endanger one's life?

**Chicken pox is EXTREMELY dangerous for an unborn child. Around 10%
of pregnant women can develop pneumonia, if infected with chicken
pox. Encephalitis can occur in some adults. Death can occur in adults
with compromised immune systems, due a chicken pox infection. But you
already know this, because you have appraised yourself of the risks.



Oh, and what is your opinion about roundup-ready GMO?

**Depends on the crop. Personally, I would prefer to see all GMO
crops labelled accordingly.

 

[~misfit~]

Once upon a time on usenet Joe Hey wrote:
[snippped]

We know that the sun has periods of high and low activity though,
which
tend to cause variations in the global temperatures.

This is something which can be and is measured and has been ruled out as
being causational in regard to the current extreme weather patterns. (Which
are extreme in cold as well as heat - hardly likely to be the sun as it's
stable - at least when talking decades or centuries.)
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

 

[~misfit~]

Once upon a time on usenet Clocky wrote:
[snipped]

I should probably have a tetanus booster shot given that I get cuts
on a regular basis and it's been about 20 years since the last one.

Hmmm. Good point. I just yesterday made a jagged hole in the pad of my left
index finger with a square drive screwdriver bit in my cordless drill. (Yep,
square drive, Irwin SQ2. There was a lot of force involved, as much blunt
force damage as there is tearing. Had to hold it over my head for 20 mins to
slow the bleeding before I could put a plaster on it and it throbs like a
bastard.)

I washed it well in Dettol, squeezing to get the stuff all through the wound
as I was fixing a raised bed garden at the time and had been digging and
planting previously. I'd cross my fingers but....
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

 

[Joe Hey]

On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 14:29:00 +1300
"~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:

Once upon a time on usenet Joe Hey wrote:
[snippped]
We know that the sun has periods of high and low activity though,
which
tend to cause variations in the global temperatures.

This is something which can be and is measured and has been ruled out
as being causational in regard to the current extreme weather
patterns. (Which are extreme in cold as well as heat - hardly likely
to be the sun as it's stable - at least when talking decades or
centuries.)

The same argument would also reject (the quite stable) AG CO2 as a cause
for the extremes, so I suspect some fundamental error in your reasoning.

joe

 

[Joe Hey]

On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 14:34:47 +1300
"~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:

Once upon a time on usenet Clocky wrote:
[snipped]
I should probably have a tetanus booster shot given that I get cuts
on a regular basis and it's been about 20 years since the last one.

Hmmm. Good point. I just yesterday made a jagged hole in the pad of
my left index finger with a square drive screwdriver bit in my
cordless drill. (Yep, square drive, Irwin SQ2. There was a lot of
force involved, as much blunt force damage as there is tearing. Had
to hold it over my head for 20 mins to slow the bleeding before I
could put a plaster on it and it throbs like a bastard.)

I washed it well in Dettol, squeezing to get the stuff all through
the wound as I was fixing a raised bed garden at the time and had
been digging and planting previously. I'd cross my fingers but....

Tetanus bacteria love rusty objects.
I wouldn't suspect a clean drill bit and soil to be populated with
those germs.

joe

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 23/12/2015 9:07 PM, Joe Hey wrote:

On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 14:29:00 +1300
"~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:

Once upon a time on usenet Joe Hey wrote:
[snippped]
We know that the sun has periods of high and low activity though,
which
tend to cause variations in the global temperatures.

This is something which can be and is measured and has been ruled out
as being causational in regard to the current extreme weather
patterns. (Which are extreme in cold as well as heat - hardly likely
to be the sun as it's stable - at least when talking decades or
centuries.)

The same argument would also reject (the quite stable) AG CO2 as a cause
for the extremes, so I suspect some fundamental error in your reasoning.

**Wrong. In the past 150 years, we have seen CO2 levels increase by
almost 50%. This is the most rapid rise in CO2 levels noted in more than
a million years. During this same period, we have seen average
temperatures rise higher and faster than at any time in the past million
years. Based on proxy measurements from ice cores, we can see that
temperatures have tracked CO2 levels very closely over the past million
years or so. That said, you are correct in that Solar activity is the
lowest it has been for several hundred years. Despite this low activity,
the average temperature of this planet continues to rise. When the Sun
resumes it's normal output, we can expect surface temperatures on this
planet to rise faster and higher.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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[Ian Field]

"~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:n5ctiv$s0u$1@dont-email.me...

Once upon a time on usenet Clocky wrote:
[snipped]
I should probably have a tetanus booster shot given that I get cuts
on a regular basis and it's been about 20 years since the last one.

Hmmm. Good point. I just yesterday made a jagged hole in the pad of my
left index finger with a square drive screwdriver bit in my cordless
drill. (Yep, square drive, Irwin SQ2. There was a lot of force involved,
as much blunt force damage as there is tearing. Had to hold it over my
head for 20 mins to slow the bleeding before I could put a plaster on it
and it throbs like a bastard.)

I washed it well in Dettol, squeezing to get the stuff all through the
wound as I was fixing a raised bed garden at the time and had been digging
and planting previously. I'd cross my fingers but....

The more it bleeds; the less crap left in the wound - but there's always too
much of a good thing.

 

[Ian Field]

"~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:n5ct85$r33$1@dont-email.me...

Once upon a time on usenet Joe Hey wrote:
[snippped]
We know that the sun has periods of high and low activity though,
which
tend to cause variations in the global temperatures.

This is something which can be and is measured and has been ruled out as
being causational in regard to the current extreme weather patterns.
(Which are extreme in cold as well as heat - hardly likely to be the sun
as it's stable - at least when talking decades or centuries.)

A couple of years ago; someone was going on about huge deposits of CO2 at
the bottom of the sea, supposedly global temperature rise is releasing it so
it bubbles up to the surface.

Someone even made a documentary claiming it explained the Bermuda Triangle -
the bubbling up CO2 allegedly creates the maritime equivalent of quicksand
that sucks whole ships under......................

And people out there believe this shit!!!!!

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 24/12/2015 5:37 AM, Ian Field wrote:

"~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:n5ct85$r33$1@dont-email.me...
Once upon a time on usenet Joe Hey wrote:
[snippped]
We know that the sun has periods of high and low activity though,
which
tend to cause variations in the global temperatures.

This is something which can be and is measured and has been ruled out
as being causational in regard to the current extreme weather
patterns. (Which are extreme in cold as well as heat - hardly likely
to be the sun as it's stable - at least when talking decades or
centuries.)

A couple of years ago; someone was going on about huge deposits of CO2
at the bottom of the sea, supposedly global temperature rise is
releasing it so it bubbles up to the surface.

**I've never heard such a thing. However, it is known that the oceans
contain around 36,000 GT of CO2 in solution. As temperatures rise,
substantial amounts will be released into the atmosphere. This is a *bad
thing*.

Someone even made a documentary claiming it explained the Bermuda
Triangle - the bubbling up CO2 allegedly creates the maritime equivalent
of quicksand that sucks whole ships under......................

And people out there believe this shit!!!!!

**I've documentaries made by complete morons that claim AGW is not
happening. I guess anything can be produced now, even lies promulgated
by AGW deniers.


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www.rageaudio.com.au

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 01:23:12 +0000, Joe Hey <joehey@mailinator.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 07:31:35 +1100
Je_us <j@invalid.lan> wrote:

}snip{

For sure. I remember back in 2000 when I was at TAFE, most ppl there
came down with the flu. Given the way the building was sealed up I
thought it inevitable that I would also get it... nope. For some
reason, all the strains I have so far come into contact with seems to
have little to no effect on me <shrug>.

Maybe it's not the strains rather than your innate immunity.

Well, that's a somewhat circular argument IMO. I probably do have an
innate immunity with most strains that I've been exposed to in recent
decades, but the wrong one could come along and kill me. The 1918
pandemic comes to mind here, which killed those with strong immune
systems and those with weak immune systems were largely spared.

 

On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 14:34:47 +1300, "~misfit~"
<shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:

Once upon a time on usenet Clocky wrote:
[snipped]
I should probably have a tetanus booster shot given that I get cuts
on a regular basis and it's been about 20 years since the last one.

Hmmm. Good point. I just yesterday made a jagged hole in the pad of my left
index finger with a square drive screwdriver bit in my cordless drill. (Yep,
square drive, Irwin SQ2. There was a lot of force involved, as much blunt
force damage as there is tearing. Had to hold it over my head for 20 mins to
slow the bleeding before I could put a plaster on it and it throbs like a
bastard.)

I washed it well in Dettol, squeezing to get the stuff all through the wound
as I was fixing a raised bed garden at the time and had been digging and
planting previously. I'd cross my fingers but....

Geeze. The number of times I *should* have had a tetanus shot but
didn't... I'd be getting one almost weekly if I did the 'right thing'

 

On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 01:21:37 +0000, Joe Hey <joehey@mailinator.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 07:36:33 +1100
Je_us <j@invalid.lan> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 01:43:37 +0000, Joe Hey <joehey@mailinator.com
wrote:

}snip{

Yeah, yeah, 'immunisation is a good thing of course'.
How much immunisation exactly is 'a good thing'?

Not sure if you're agreeing or not with me there.

How is quoting you sign of agreement?
I'm not against immunisation, but some people get worked up so much as
soon as they read any suggestion that vaccination might not give us the
walhalla they promise, that they can't read what I already have written
many times: I'm not per se against vaccination.

What I am against is the needle-pushing greedy pharmaceutical industry
trying to sell us as much vaccines as possible during an experiment
that only later will show whether it caused damage or not.

Look at the vaccinations schedules in the moronic USA. Insane.

No doubt about that. It's out of control over there and really, you
could make the same argument for Aus too.

American schedules? Does anyone know _where_ the rate of autism _and_
SID are relatively higher? Right: USA. That's why Americans are
morons, and people going that path are too.

It could be merely one of many reasons why they're morons. I would
argue TV is a more significant cause. Not sure what the correlation
between having autism and necessarily being a moron is though...

Or TV for that matter.

You don't think TV contributes to dumbing people down? I do.
At the very least it makes people ignorant and mentally lazy. I'm
talking about most, not all people naturally.

But if I read you clear then in no way vaccines
can play a role? Where is that based on?

No, I'm not saying that at all. I have Asperger's myself and there's
no history of it in my family (maybe the milkman is really my dad?).
Anecdotally we can make a link between vaccines and my autism, but as
you know, there's no direct proof.

 

[Ian Field]

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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On 24/12/2015 5:37 AM, Ian Field wrote:


"~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:n5ct85$r33$1@dont-email.me...
Once upon a time on usenet Joe Hey wrote:
[snippped]
We know that the sun has periods of high and low activity though,
which
tend to cause variations in the global temperatures.

This is something which can be and is measured and has been ruled out
as being causational in regard to the current extreme weather
patterns. (Which are extreme in cold as well as heat - hardly likely
to be the sun as it's stable - at least when talking decades or
centuries.)

A couple of years ago; someone was going on about huge deposits of CO2
at the bottom of the sea, supposedly global temperature rise is
releasing it so it bubbles up to the surface.

**I've never heard such a thing. However, it is known that the oceans
contain around 36,000 GT of CO2 in solution. As temperatures rise,
substantial amounts will be released into the atmosphere. This is a *bad
thing*.


Someone even made a documentary claiming it explained the Bermuda
Triangle - the bubbling up CO2 allegedly creates the maritime equivalent
of quicksand that sucks whole ships under......................

And people out there believe this shit!!!!!

**I've documentaries made by complete morons that claim AGW is not
happening. I guess anything can be produced now, even lies promulgated by
AGW deniers.

I'm not denying global warming - its been happening since the last ice age
ended.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 24/12/2015 8:19 AM, Ian Field wrote:

"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:de0dlmF8t6cU1@mid.individual.net...
On 24/12/2015 5:37 AM, Ian Field wrote:


"~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:n5ct85$r33$1@dont-email.me...
Once upon a time on usenet Joe Hey wrote:
[snippped]
We know that the sun has periods of high and low activity though,
which
tend to cause variations in the global temperatures.

This is something which can be and is measured and has been ruled out
as being causational in regard to the current extreme weather
patterns. (Which are extreme in cold as well as heat - hardly likely
to be the sun as it's stable - at least when talking decades or
centuries.)

A couple of years ago; someone was going on about huge deposits of CO2
at the bottom of the sea, supposedly global temperature rise is
releasing it so it bubbles up to the surface.

**I've never heard such a thing. However, it is known that the oceans
contain around 36,000 GT of CO2 in solution. As temperatures rise,
substantial amounts will be released into the atmosphere. This is a
*bad thing*.


Someone even made a documentary claiming it explained the Bermuda
Triangle - the bubbling up CO2 allegedly creates the maritime equivalent
of quicksand that sucks whole ships under......................

And people out there believe this shit!!!!!

**I've documentaries made by complete morons that claim AGW is not
happening. I guess anything can be produced now, even lies promulgated
by AGW deniers.

I'm not denying global warming - its been happening since the last ice
age ended.

**I was quite specific in pointing out the morons who deny ANTHROPOGENIC
global warming. In the past 150 years we have witnessed the most rapid
rise in planetary temperatures in the past million years. It is the
SPEED of the warming that is the major cause of concern.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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[Joe Hey]

On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 07:11:56 +1100
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 24/12/2015 5:37 AM, Ian Field wrote:


"~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:n5ct85$r33$1@dont-email.me...
Once upon a time on usenet Joe Hey wrote:
[snippped]
We know that the sun has periods of high and low activity though,
which
tend to cause variations in the global temperatures.

This is something which can be and is measured and has been ruled
out as being causational in regard to the current extreme weather
patterns. (Which are extreme in cold as well as heat - hardly
likely to be the sun as it's stable - at least when talking
decades or centuries.)

A couple of years ago; someone was going on about huge deposits of
CO2 at the bottom of the sea, supposedly global temperature rise is
releasing it so it bubbles up to the surface.

**I've never heard such a thing. However, it is known that the oceans
contain around 36,000 GT of CO2 in solution. As temperatures rise,
substantial amounts will be released into the atmosphere. This is a
*bad thing*.


Someone even made a documentary claiming it explained the Bermuda
Triangle - the bubbling up CO2 allegedly creates the maritime
equivalent of quicksand that sucks whole ships
under......................

And people out there believe this shit!!!!!

**I've documentaries made by complete morons that claim AGW is not
happening. I guess anything can be produced now, even lies
promulgated by AGW deniers.

I still don't understand why people who claim to practise science,
shout like the inquisition... Somewhere their 'scientific' arguments
must be flawed and leave them with a sense of uncertainty which they
try to hide for themselves (and others) by treating people with another
opinion as if they were heretics of one of the big world religions.

joe

 

[Joe Hey]

On Thu, 24 Dec 2015 08:42:35 +1100
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 24/12/2015 8:19 AM, Ian Field wrote:


"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:de0dlmF8t6cU1@mid.individual.net...
On 24/12/2015 5:37 AM, Ian Field wrote:


"~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:n5ct85$r33$1@dont-email.me...
Once upon a time on usenet Joe Hey wrote:
[snippped]
We know that the sun has periods of high and low activity
though, which
tend to cause variations in the global temperatures.

This is something which can be and is measured and has been
ruled out as being causational in regard to the current extreme
weather patterns. (Which are extreme in cold as well as heat -
hardly likely to be the sun as it's stable - at least when
talking decades or centuries.)

A couple of years ago; someone was going on about huge deposits
of CO2 at the bottom of the sea, supposedly global temperature
rise is releasing it so it bubbles up to the surface.

**I've never heard such a thing. However, it is known that the
oceans contain around 36,000 GT of CO2 in solution. As
temperatures rise, substantial amounts will be released into the
atmosphere. This is a *bad thing*.


Someone even made a documentary claiming it explained the Bermuda
Triangle - the bubbling up CO2 allegedly creates the maritime
equivalent of quicksand that sucks whole ships
under......................

And people out there believe this shit!!!!!

**I've documentaries made by complete morons that claim AGW is not
happening. I guess anything can be produced now, even lies
promulgated by AGW deniers.

I'm not denying global warming - its been happening since the last
ice age ended.

**I was quite specific in pointing out the morons who deny
ANTHROPOGENIC global warming. In the past 150 years we have witnessed
the most rapid rise in planetary temperatures in the past million
years. It is the SPEED of the warming that is the major cause of
concern.

I am more concerned about the warmongering American presidential
candidates and potential apocalyptic events like Fukushima and more
coming.

It would be much better if 'some persons' would address those concerns
before the make the whole AGW becomes insignificant for lack of people
being able to experience the predicted phenomenon.

joe

 

[Joe Hey]

On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 22:18:44 +1100
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 23/12/2015 9:07 PM, Joe Hey wrote:
On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 14:29:00 +1300
"~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:

Once upon a time on usenet Joe Hey wrote:
[snippped]
We know that the sun has periods of high and low activity though,
which
tend to cause variations in the global temperatures.

This is something which can be and is measured and has been ruled
out as being causational in regard to the current extreme weather
patterns. (Which are extreme in cold as well as heat - hardly
likely to be the sun as it's stable - at least when talking
decades or centuries.)

The same argument would also reject (the quite stable) AG CO2 as a
cause for the extremes, so I suspect some fundamental error in your
reasoning.


**Wrong. In the past 150 years, we have seen CO2 levels increase by
almost 50%. This is the most rapid rise in CO2 levels noted in more
than a million years. During this same period, we have seen average
temperatures rise higher and faster than at any time in the past
million years. Based on proxy measurements from ice cores, we can see
that temperatures have tracked CO2 levels very closely over the past
million years or so. That said, you are correct in that Solar
activity is the lowest it has been for several hundred years. Despite
this low activity, the average temperature of this planet continues
to rise. When the Sun resumes it's normal output, we can expect
surface temperatures on this planet to rise faster and higher.

Did you even try to read what this argument was about?
It wasn't about maxima, it was about extremes.
To both sides of the scale.

By the way, if I were to take your argument seriously, I could argue
with the same force that vaccinations are responsible for the
incredible rise of autism on this planet.
And you wouldn't want me to do that, would you?

joe