90% of U.S. IP Output Comes From Just 6 Cities Representing

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2/7/2010 1:37 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
<snip>

Utterly mangled all over again.


Troll alert. You're hereby put on a diet.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal
ElectroOptical Innovations
55 Orchard Rd
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058
hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

 

[Rod Speed]

John Larkin wrote

Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote
Jasen Betts wrote
Bret Cahill<BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote

There's something about agriculture that encourages invention.

Monotony I expect.

Nah, mostly poverty and isolation. You have to get the job
done, or the crops fail and you lose your farm. Puts a premium
on being able to keep things working and to improvise.

A recent issue of IEEE Spectrum had an article about the power plant
engineers in Gaza restarting their plant by collecting almost 200 car
batteries. Same deal, different situation.

Framing is very competitive; you live or die by crop yield.

Nope, you hardly ever die from it.

The few farmers I've known were very intelligent
and very versatile and did pretty well.

You clearly dont know very many of them. Some
are complete duds as any real farmer will tell you.

They would weld up a new tractor part in the morning and
expand their network of wireless soil moisture sensors in the
afternoon. One farmer I still know has a day job as a chemist
for Chevron, and is really, really rich. My first daddy-in-law
was a Cajun sugar cane farmer in Lousiana and left a tidy
estate to my older daughter, the only grandkid he really liked.

Most farmers are cool dudes.

Some of them are complete duds, just like in any field.

 

[Rod Speed]

Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 2/7/2010 1:37 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
snip
Utterly mangled all over again.


Troll alert. You're hereby put on a diet.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 05:50:54 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote
Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote
Jasen Betts wrote
Bret Cahill<BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote

There's something about agriculture that encourages invention.

Monotony I expect.

Nah, mostly poverty and isolation. You have to get the job
done, or the crops fail and you lose your farm. Puts a premium
on being able to keep things working and to improvise.

A recent issue of IEEE Spectrum had an article about the power plant
engineers in Gaza restarting their plant by collecting almost 200 car
batteries. Same deal, different situation.

Framing is very competitive; you live or die by crop yield.

Nope, you hardly ever die from it.

The few farmers I've known were very intelligent
and very versatile and did pretty well.

You clearly dont know very many of them. Some
are complete duds as any real farmer will tell you.

They would weld up a new tractor part in the morning and
expand their network of wireless soil moisture sensors in the
afternoon. One farmer I still know has a day job as a chemist
for Chevron, and is really, really rich. My first daddy-in-law
was a Cajun sugar cane farmer in Lousiana and left a tidy
estate to my older daughter, the only grandkid he really liked.

Most farmers are cool dudes.

Some of them are complete duds, just like in any field.

But being self-employed, the duds tend to go out of the farming
business, unless the government is paying them to not grow corn. Even
I could learn how to not grow corn.

Compare to business, industry, and politics where there are lots of
duds with job security. Especially unionized duds.

John

 

[Les Cargill]

John Fields wrote:

On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:25:45 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:52:52 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 00:17:52 +0530, "spamrebuff"
spamrebuff@mydomain.invalid> wrote:

Bret Cahill wrote:
A study on intellectual property was published a couple years
ago.
You'll find similar results in other western countries.

The top 4 cities are in the 3 bluest of the blue states. No
need to
even mention names because everyone on the planet knows the 4
cities.

American arrogance at its finest - or worst. I'm a non-American,
fairly knowledgeable about the world outside my own country. I
could hazard a guess as to which 4 US cities you mean, but I sure
as hell don't _know_.

rest of drivel snipped
---
Don't take offense, that's just Bret Cahill; a patently offensive loon
who happens to live in the US and is despised here as well as, it seems,
everywhere he manages to send his shit.

JF
I think he's a lawyer, which would make him despised most everywhere.

Except for hell. They run the place.

---
So God finds out that this engineer got sent to Hell by mistake and
tells Satan to send him back.

Satan says: "Not a chance; I've got him down here working on the A/C."

"Send him back or I'll sue." replies God.

"Where you gonna find a lawyer?" retorts Satan...


JF

A classic...

--
Les Cargill

 

[Bret Cahill]

A study on intellectual property was published a couple years
ago.
You'll find similar results in other western countries.

The top 4 cities are in the 3 bluest of the blue states.  No
need to
even mention names because everyone on the planet knows the 4
cities.

American arrogance at its finest - or worst.  I'm a non-American,
fairly knowledgeable about the world outside my own country. I
could hazard a guess as to which 4 US cities you mean, but I sure
as hell don't _know_.

NY, SF, LA, Boston.

I can't remember one of the cities, maybe Atlanta or Chicago.

Bret Cahill

I wonder what kind of IP is being generated by NY, SF, LA, and Boston.
Web apps maybe? Abstract art?

Most of the $ may be going to propagandists to dumb down, rip off and
exclude the public from the public debate, i.e., Maslow's Pyramid.

That's why you see so many "liberal" editors saying, "can't figure out
how I make so much money never figuring anything out."

Anyone who says that is an outright fraud.

No one ever suggested all these IP people were good for the economy,
just that they made lots of $.

Their lies by omission and the lies by hype all fall under IP and
probably cost the economy trillions a year and unmeasurable quantities
of useful IP.

Those places sure aren't doing serious
electronics, aviation, industrial, or even software design. Some
biotech, maybe.

I live in San Francisco, and I know that there's not much hard
technology development going on here. Lots of finance, lawyers,
"arts", web app developers, tourism, restaurants, wannabe novelists,
and homeless services. Not much that's real, very little that creates
useful IP.

It's easy do get an idea where the origin of patents. Just research
enough numbers until you are satisfied with the sample size.

Is there a list somewhere of the $ generated for every patent?

That would be a really useful project.


Bret Cahill

 

[Bret Cahill]

There's something about agriculture that encourages invention.

Monotony I expect.

--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: n...@netfront.net ---

Nah, mostly poverty and isolation.  You have to get the job done, or the
crops fail and you lose your farm.  Puts a premium on being able to keep
things working and to improvise.

A recent issue of IEEE Spectrum had an article about the power plant
engineers in Gaza restarting their plant by collecting almost 200 car
batteries.  Same deal, different situation.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Framing is very competitive; you live or die by crop yield.

Like all futures traders they are all hoping for some disaster that
will wipe out the competition and limit supply.

A crop adjuster in Florida explained why he has job security.
"Farmers won't plant without crop insurance."

Since each field creates it's own eco system bugs from cotten end up
in lettuce, GM crops pollinate non GM, etc. It's hard to coordinate
local farmers on these issues.

Right now no one back east wants to drive to the store to buy lettuce
for a cold salad so lettuce prices should plunge or the lettuce will
just get plowed under.

Most industries aren't like this.


Bret Cahill

 

[spamrebuff]

Bret Cahill wrote:

A study on intellectual property was published a couple years
ago.
You'll find similar results in other western countries.

The top 4 cities are in the 3 bluest of the blue states. No
need to
even mention names because everyone on the planet knows the 4
cities.

American arrogance at its finest - or worst. I'm a
non-American,
fairly knowledgeable about the world outside my own country. I
could hazard a guess as to which 4 US cities you mean, but I
sure
as hell don't _know_.

NY, SF, LA, Boston.

I can't remember one of the cities, maybe Atlanta or Chicago.

You claimed that everyone on the planet knows, and _YOU_ can't
remember?

You said 4 cities. You named 4. You can't remember one. Strange
math.

 

[Rod Speed]

Bret Cahill wrote:

There's something about agriculture that encourages invention.

Monotony I expect.

Nah, mostly poverty and isolation. You have to get the job done, or
the crops fail and you lose your farm. Puts a premium on being able
to keep things working and to improvise.

A recent issue of IEEE Spectrum had an article about the power plant
engineers in Gaza restarting their plant by collecting almost 200
car batteries. Same deal, different situation.

Framing is very competitive; you live or die by crop yield.

Like all futures traders they are all hoping for some
disaster that will wipe out the competition and limit supply.

A crop adjuster in Florida explained why he has job security.
"Farmers won't plant without crop insurance."

Plenty do just that.

Since each field creates it's own eco system bugs from
cotten end up in lettuce, GM crops pollinate non GM, etc.

Nope, different bugs for different crops, stupid.

It's hard to coordinate local farmers on these issues.

Dont need to.

Right now no one back east wants to drive to the store to buy lettuce for a cold
salad so lettuce prices should plunge or the lettuce will just get plowed under.

It doesnt work like that either.

Most industries aren't like this.

Yes, but that has nothing to do with invention.

 

[Rod Speed]

John Larkin wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
John Larkin wrote
Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote
Jasen Betts wrote
Bret Cahill<BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote

There's something about agriculture that encourages invention.

Monotony I expect.

Nah, mostly poverty and isolation. You have to get the job
done, or the crops fail and you lose your farm. Puts a premium
on being able to keep things working and to improvise.

A recent issue of IEEE Spectrum had an article about the power
plant engineers in Gaza restarting their plant by collecting
almost 200 car batteries. Same deal, different situation.

Framing is very competitive; you live or die by crop yield.

Nope, you hardly ever die from it.

The few farmers I've known were very intelligent
and very versatile and did pretty well.

You clearly dont know very many of them. Some
are complete duds as any real farmer will tell you.

They would weld up a new tractor part in the morning and
expand their network of wireless soil moisture sensors in the
afternoon. One farmer I still know has a day job as a chemist
for Chevron, and is really, really rich. My first daddy-in-law
was a Cajun sugar cane farmer in Lousiana and left a tidy
estate to my older daughter, the only grandkid he really liked.

Most farmers are cool dudes.

Some of them are complete duds, just like in any field.

But being self-employed, the duds tend to go out of the farming business,

It is one area where you can manage a reasonably
decent standard of living as long as you arent too bad.

unless the government is paying them to not grow corn.
Even I could learn how to not grow corn.

And even if you arent paid to not grow it, it isnt that hard to eke out an existence.

Compare to business, industry, and politics where there are
lots of duds with job security. Especially unionized duds.

Yes, but you also have job security when you decide who gets hired and fired too.

Particularly if you inhereted the farm, it isnt hard to bludge off a share cropper etc.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 10:56:56 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
<BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote:

There's something about agriculture that encourages invention.

Monotony I expect.

--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: n...@netfront.net ---

Nah, mostly poverty and isolation.  You have to get the job done, or the
crops fail and you lose your farm.  Puts a premium on being able to keep
things working and to improvise.

A recent issue of IEEE Spectrum had an article about the power plant
engineers in Gaza restarting their plant by collecting almost 200 car
batteries.  Same deal, different situation.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Framing is very competitive; you live or die by crop yield.

Like all futures traders they are all hoping for some disaster that
will wipe out the competition and limit supply.

But unlike lawyers and futures traders, farmers actually make useful
stuff.

John

 

[Rod Speed]

Bret Cahill wrote:

There's something about agriculture that encourages invention.

Monotony I expect.

Nah, mostly poverty and isolation. You have to get the job done,
or the crops fail and you lose your farm. Puts a premium on being
able to keep things working and to improvise.

A recent issue of IEEE Spectrum had an article about the power
plant engineers in Gaza restarting their plant by collecting
almost 200 car batteries. Same deal, different situation.

Framing is very competitive; you live or die by crop yield.

Like all futures traders they are all hoping for some
disaster that will wipe out the competition and limit supply.

A crop adjuster in Florida explained why he has job security.

"Farmers won't plant without crop insurance."

Plenty do just that.

Depends on the location.

Nope, most places have some risk.

Florida has cold snaps, hurricanes and citrus canker.

And that means that crop insurance doesnt come cheap.

In some areas of California farmers have complete
control over everything except maybe markets.

Wrong, most obviously with the rain.

They can check out prices and start planting whatever is in short supply the next day.

And then it can not rain etc and they are fucked.

And it may not be in short supply by harvest time too.

Since each field creates it's own eco system bugs from
cotten end up in lettuce, GM crops pollinate non GM, etc.

Nope, different bugs for different crops,

The different crops are right next to each other.

And the bugs that like cotton dont like lettuce etc.

The overspray from crop dusting is a big issue for organic farmers.

Not the bugs you ignorantly waffled on about.

It's hard to coordinate local farmers on these issues.

You dont fix overspray by coordination either.

Right now no one back east wants to drive to the store to buy
lettuce for a cold salad so lettuce prices should plunge or the
lettuce will just get plowed under.

It doesnt work like that either.

Check out Safeway, Publix or Albertsons web pages in a few days.

The price of lettuce is nothing like that.

Most industries aren't like this.

Yes, but that has nothing to do with invention.

The routine of other industries may be deadening.

And it may not be too.

There's a lot of innovation in the oil bidness too and for many of the same reasons.

Nope, different reasons entirely.

 

[Bret Cahill]

There's something about agriculture that encourages invention.
Monotony I expect.
Nah, mostly poverty and isolation. You have to get the job done, or
the crops fail and you lose your farm. Puts a premium on being able
to keep things working and to improvise.

A recent issue of IEEE Spectrum had an article about the power plant
engineers in Gaza restarting their plant by collecting almost 200
car batteries. Same deal, different situation.
Framing is very competitive; you live or die by crop yield.
Like all futures traders they are all hoping for some
disaster that will wipe out the competition and limit supply.
A crop adjuster in Florida explained why he has job security.

"Farmers won't plant without crop insurance."

Plenty do just that.

Depends on the location. Florida has cold snaps, hurricanes and
citrus canker.

In some areas of California farmers have complete control over
everything except maybe markets. They can check out prices and start
planting whatever is in short supply the next day.

Since each field creates it's own eco system bugs from
cotten end up in lettuce, GM crops pollinate non GM, etc.

Nope, different bugs for different crops,

The different crops are right next to each other.

The overspray from crop dusting is a big issue for organic farmers.

It's hard to coordinate local farmers on these issues.

.. . .

Right now no one back east wants to drive to the store to buy lettuce for a cold
salad so lettuce prices should plunge or the lettuce will just get plowed under.

It doesnt work like that either.

Check out Safeway, Publix or Albertsons web pages in a few days.

Most industries aren't like this.

Yes, but that has nothing to do with invention.

The routine of other industries may be deadening.

There's a lot of innovation in the oil bidness too and for many of the
same reasons.


Bret Cahill

 

[John Fields]

On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:11:55 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 10:56:56 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote:

There's something about agriculture that encourages invention.

Monotony I expect.

--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: n...@netfront.net ---

Nah, mostly poverty and isolation.  You have to get the job done, or the
crops fail and you lose your farm.  Puts a premium on being able to keep
things working and to improvise.

A recent issue of IEEE Spectrum had an article about the power plant
engineers in Gaza restarting their plant by collecting almost 200 car
batteries.  Same deal, different situation.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Framing is very competitive; you live or die by crop yield.

Like all futures traders they are all hoping for some disaster that
will wipe out the competition and limit supply.

But unlike lawyers and futures traders, farmers actually make useful
stuff.

---
Not only that,

"The American farmer is the only man in our economy
who buys everything he buys at retail, sells everything
he sells at wholesale, and pays the freight both ways."

John F. Kennedy, 9-22-1960

JF

 

In sci.physics Bret Cahill <BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote:

In some areas of California farmers have complete control over
everything except maybe markets. They can check out prices and start
planting whatever is in short supply the next day.

Do you have the slightest clue how long it takes to get a sellable
vegetable staring with seed?

<snip remaining babble>

--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.

 

[Les Cargill]

John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 10:56:56 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote:

There's something about agriculture that encourages invention.
Monotony I expect.
--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: n...@netfront.net ---
Nah, mostly poverty and isolation. You have to get the job done, or the
crops fail and you lose your farm. Puts a premium on being able to keep
things working and to improvise.
A recent issue of IEEE Spectrum had an article about the power plant
engineers in Gaza restarting their plant by collecting almost 200 car
batteries. Same deal, different situation.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Framing is very competitive; you live or die by crop yield.
Like all futures traders they are all hoping for some disaster that
will wipe out the competition and limit supply.

But unlike lawyers and futures traders, farmers actually make useful
stuff.

John

They only make money on whatever subsidy-insurance payments they get,
according to the movie "King Corn". Er, at least for large-bulk crops
like corn, this is true.

Arbitrageurs are not without value; neither are lawyers. You're being a
*bit* Platonic ( or was it Aristotle? ) who decried interest. Said
that money is but a symbol, and interest was treating money as a good,
and that this was reifying the symbol. Well, we embraced that fully,
and out lives got better.

The increase in farming productivity since around 1820 is nothing short
of a miracle, but even miracles have costs. We all eat; not everybody
farms...

--
Les Cargill

 

[Greegor]

What a coincidence, since 90% of what's on the internet is crap.

Why did you try substituting volume of material for quality?

 

[jmfbahciv]

John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 10:56:56 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote:

There's something about agriculture that encourages invention.
Monotony I expect.
--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: n...@netfront.net ---
Nah, mostly poverty and isolation. You have to get the job done, or the
crops fail and you lose your farm. Puts a premium on being able to keep
things working and to improvise.
A recent issue of IEEE Spectrum had an article about the power plant
engineers in Gaza restarting their plant by collecting almost 200 car
batteries. Same deal, different situation.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Framing is very competitive; you live or die by crop yield.
Like all futures traders they are all hoping for some disaster that
will wipe out the competition and limit supply.

But unlike lawyers and futures traders, farmers actually make useful
stuff.

Farmers are futures traders. That's how they buy and sell. the

problems with that Board of Trade occur when non-farmers come in
and speculate.

/BAH

 

[jmfbahciv]

Bret Cahill wrote:

There's something about agriculture that encourages invention.
Monotony I expect.
Nah, mostly poverty and isolation. You have to get the job done, or
the crops fail and you lose your farm. Puts a premium on being able
to keep things working and to improvise.
A recent issue of IEEE Spectrum had an article about the power plant
engineers in Gaza restarting their plant by collecting almost 200
car batteries. Same deal, different situation.
Framing is very competitive; you live or die by crop yield.
Like all futures traders they are all hoping for some
disaster that will wipe out the competition and limit supply.
A crop adjuster in Florida explained why he has job security.

"Farmers won't plant without crop insurance."
Plenty do just that.

Depends on the location. Florida has cold snaps, hurricanes and
citrus canker.

In some areas of California farmers have complete control over
everything except maybe markets. They can check out prices and start
planting whatever is in short supply the next day.

You are talking nonsense. It takes a complete growing cycle. What is
in short supply today won't be 6 months from now.

/BAH

 

[jmfbahciv]

John Fields wrote:

On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:11:55 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 10:56:56 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote:

There's something about agriculture that encourages invention.
Monotony I expect.
--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: n...@netfront.net ---
Nah, mostly poverty and isolation. You have to get the job done, or the
crops fail and you lose your farm. Puts a premium on being able to keep
things working and to improvise.
A recent issue of IEEE Spectrum had an article about the power plant
engineers in Gaza restarting their plant by collecting almost 200 car
batteries. Same deal, different situation.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Framing is very competitive; you live or die by crop yield.
Like all futures traders they are all hoping for some disaster that
will wipe out the competition and limit supply.
But unlike lawyers and futures traders, farmers actually make useful
stuff.

---
Not only that,

"The American farmer is the only man in our economy
who buys everything he buys at retail, sells everything
he sells at wholesale, and pays the freight both ways."

John F. Kennedy, 9-22-1960

JF

Shows how stupid he was.

/BAH