90% of U.S. IP Output Comes From Just 6 Cities Representing

[jmfbahciv]

Bret Cahill wrote:

A study on intellectual property was published a couple years ago.
You'll find similar results in other western countries.

The top 4 cities are in the 3 bluest of the blue states. No need to
even mention names because everyone on the planet knows the 4 cities.

Even Austin is by far the most liberal place in Texas.

At one time rightards may have had some value to the economy but they
are as worthless as Al Gore in a dust devil in the info age.

That's why they are all acting bat crap crazy and dog poop stoopid.


How was "intellectual property" defined? How did they measure it?

/BAH

 

[John Fields]

On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:25:45 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:52:52 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 00:17:52 +0530, "spamrebuff"
spamrebuff@mydomain.invalid> wrote:

Bret Cahill wrote:
A study on intellectual property was published a couple years
ago.
You'll find similar results in other western countries.

The top 4 cities are in the 3 bluest of the blue states. No
need to
even mention names because everyone on the planet knows the 4
cities.


American arrogance at its finest - or worst. I'm a non-American,
fairly knowledgeable about the world outside my own country. I
could hazard a guess as to which 4 US cities you mean, but I sure
as hell don't _know_.

rest of drivel snipped

---
Don't take offense, that's just Bret Cahill; a patently offensive loon
who happens to live in the US and is despised here as well as, it seems,
everywhere he manages to send his shit.

JF

I think he's a lawyer, which would make him despised most everywhere.


Except for hell. They run the place.

---
So God finds out that this engineer got sent to Hell by mistake and
tells Satan to send him back.

Satan says: "Not a chance; I've got him down here working on the A/C."

"Send him back or I'll sue." replies God.

"Where you gonna find a lawyer?" retorts Satan...


JF

 

[John Fields]

On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 12:09:22 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:52:52 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 00:17:52 +0530, "spamrebuff"
spamrebuff@mydomain.invalid> wrote:

Bret Cahill wrote:
A study on intellectual property was published a couple years
ago.
You'll find similar results in other western countries.

The top 4 cities are in the 3 bluest of the blue states. No
need to
even mention names because everyone on the planet knows the 4
cities.


American arrogance at its finest - or worst. I'm a non-American,
fairly knowledgeable about the world outside my own country. I
could hazard a guess as to which 4 US cities you mean, but I sure
as hell don't _know_.

rest of drivel snipped

---
Don't take offense, that's just Bret Cahill; a patently offensive loon
who happens to live in the US and is despised here as well as, it seems,
everywhere he manages to send his shit.

JF

I think he's a lawyer, which would make him despised most everywhere.

---
ISTR from an earlier thread that he alluded to being a court clerk or a
court reporter or something like that, so he hasn't sunk to the bottom
yet.

JF

 

[Frnak McKenney]

On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 10:55:45 -0800, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 08:19:50 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
Bret_E_Cahill@yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]
At one time rightards may have had some value to the economy but they
are as worthless as Al Gore in a dust devil in the info age.

That's why they are all acting bat crap crazy and dog poop stoopid.

Bret Cahill

Let's try this experiment: the urban engineers and scientists and
journalists and lawyers go on strike, and the rural farmers and truck
drivers and refinery operators and utility people go on strike. See
who surrenders first.

John,

Beware the consequences of the Law of Unintended Consequences:

http://www.medical-jokes.com/?s=body+boss



Frank McKenney
--
Taxation with representation isn't so hot, either!
--
Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates
Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887
Munged E-mail: frank uscore mckenney ayut mined spring dawt cahm (y'all)

 

[Androcles]

"Frnak McKenney" <frnak@far.from.the.madding.crowd.com> wrote in message
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<snip>

Beware anyone that can't spell their own name...

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

John Fields wrote:

On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:25:45 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:52:52 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 00:17:52 +0530, "spamrebuff"
spamrebuff@mydomain.invalid> wrote:

Bret Cahill wrote:
A study on intellectual property was published a couple years
ago.
You'll find similar results in other western countries.

The top 4 cities are in the 3 bluest of the blue states. No
need to
even mention names because everyone on the planet knows the 4
cities.


American arrogance at its finest - or worst. I'm a non-American,
fairly knowledgeable about the world outside my own country. I
could hazard a guess as to which 4 US cities you mean, but I sure
as hell don't _know_.

rest of drivel snipped

---
Don't take offense, that's just Bret Cahill; a patently offensive loon
who happens to live in the US and is despised here as well as, it seems,
everywhere he manages to send his shit.

JF

I think he's a lawyer, which would make him despised most everywhere.


Except for hell. They run the place.

---
So God finds out that this engineer got sent to Hell by mistake and
tells Satan to send him back.

Satan says: "Not a chance; I've got him down here working on the A/C."

"Send him back or I'll sue." replies God.

"Where you gonna find a lawyer?" retorts Satan...

I have a longer version of that joke somewhere, but that was what I
had in mind.


--
Greed is the root of all eBay.

 

In sci.physics Bret Cahill <BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote:

There's something about agriculture that encourages invention.

Monotony I expect.

An inventor needs some time without any distractions. 15 or so years
ago when foreign U.S. patent holders first started to number the
Americans a Japanese inventor explained that Americans rush around too
much.

Yeah sure, farmers have lots of free time...


--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 09:11:48 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
<BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote:

A study on intellectual property was published a couple years
ago.
You'll find similar results in other western countries.

The top 4 cities are in the 3 bluest of the blue states.  No
need to
even mention names because everyone on the planet knows the 4
cities.

American arrogance at its finest - or worst. I'm a non-American,
fairly knowledgeable about the world outside my own country. I
could hazard a guess as to which 4 US cities you mean, but I sure
as hell don't _know_.

NY, SF, LA, Boston.

I can't remember one of the cities, maybe Atlanta or Chicago.


Bret Cahill

I wonder what kind of IP is being generated by NY, SF, LA, and Boston.
Web apps maybe? Abstract art? Those places sure aren't doing serious
electronics, aviation, industrial, or even software design. Some
biotech, maybe.

I live in San Francisco, and I know that there's not much hard
technology development going on here. Lots of finance, lawyers,
"arts", web app developers, tourism, restaurants, wannabe novelists,
and homeless services. Not much that's real, very little that creates
useful IP.

That makes sense: lefties are almost always fuzzy thinkers, and real
businesses locate in friendlier climes.

John

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 07:09:57 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2/7/2010 1:12 AM, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2010-02-07, Bret Cahill<BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote:

There's something about agriculture that encourages invention.

Monotony I expect.




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Nah, mostly poverty and isolation. You have to get the job done, or the
crops fail and you lose your farm. Puts a premium on being able to keep
things working and to improvise.

A recent issue of IEEE Spectrum had an article about the power plant
engineers in Gaza restarting their plant by collecting almost 200 car
batteries. Same deal, different situation.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Framing is very competitive; you live or die by crop yield. The few
farmers I've known were very intelligent and very versatile and did
pretty well. They would weld up a new tractor part in the morning and
expand their network of wireless soil moisture sensors in the
afternoon. One farmer I still know has a day job as a chemist for
Chevron, and is really, really rich. My first daddy-in-law was a Cajun
sugar cane farmer in Lousiana and left a tidy estate to my older
daughter, the only grandkid he really liked.

Most farmers are cool dudes.

John

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 08:04:15 -0500, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 18:26:55 -0600, "Jon Slaughter"
Jon_Slaughter@Hotmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 13:35:37 -0800 (PST), Marshall
marshall.spight@gmail.com> wrote:

On Feb 6, 12:07 pm, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 11:29:07 -0800 (PST), Marshall
marshall.spi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 6, 10:55 am, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
Let's try this experiment: the urban engineers and scientists and
journalists and lawyers go on strike, and the rural farmers and
truck drivers and refinery operators and utility people go on
strike. See who surrenders first.
How about instead we quit all the partisan bickering, STFU and
GBTW.
Design any interesting electronics lately?
I'm all about the software. How about you?


Marshall
I'm an EE, and I mostly like to design electronics. But I spent a
bunch of last week working on the firmware of this:

http://www.highlandtechnology.com/DSS/T564DS.html

which uses an MC68332 programmed in assembly, just under 7000 lines of
code so far. I added the "frame looping" feature for a customer. That
allows them to load a list of delay/width settings that are loaded
into the gadget after every trigger, and loop N times through the
list. This should have been done in hardware, in the FPGA, but we did
a software implementation for now, and I'm grubbing around for every
microsecond in the ISR that reloads the hardware after each shot. It
runs in about 35 microseconds, not bad for three pages of code on an
ancient 20 MHz CPU.

I can design hardware forever, but I get depressed after about 2 weeks
of programming, for some reason.

What are you working on?

Aren't you a genius!! You seem to think that because you post some stupid
project on the net that it somehow makes you intelligent and that you'll
somehow get obama butt-buddy points(TM) for doing so?

Of course maybe you really are just interested in hearing what others have
done and want to share such things? If so ignore the first part.... If not,
then you might want to realize that there are millions of people out there
doing much more complicated electronics projects and not just for a
paycheck. You only look like someone trying to prove that they are
intelligent and doing a poor job of it.


What a weird person you are.

Yep. I don't think he read your specs.

/BAH

In an electronics discussion group, he objects to discussing
electronics.

John

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 15:16:32 -0000, "Androcles"
<Headmaster@Hogwarts.physics_u> wrote:

"Frnak McKenney" <frnak@far.from.the.madding.crowd.com> wrote in message
news:2ZudnRrPNKv_RfPWnZ2dnUVZ_hZi4p2d@earthlink.com...
snip

Beware anyone that can't spell their own name...

Maybe his name is Frnak.

John

 

[Rod Speed]

Phil Hobbs wrote

Jasen Betts wrote
Bret Cahill<BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote

There's something about agriculture that encourages invention.

Monotony I expect.

Yeah, I do too, or more strictly the amount of time they have just sitting
on a fucking great machine checking for things going pear shaped etc.

Nah, mostly poverty

Cant be that. If it was that, most of the invention
would come from the poorest of them, and it doesnt.

and isolation.

Thats easily overstated with modern agriculture and modern communication.

You have to get the job done,

Yes, but they arent unusual there.

or the crops fail and you lose your farm.

You clearly arent in agriculture yourself.

You normally lose your farm due to weather, not not getting the job done.

The worst you are likely to end up with if you dont do the job as well as
others is a lower standard of living than them, you still keep the farm.

Puts a premium on being able to keep things working and to improvise.

Thats not what invention is about.

I believe its mostly just that they have more time than most to
consider inventing something and its the sort of situation where
it is easy to try ideas with no great risk in the trying and in fact
it provides some amusement even if it does not work out. And no
bureaucracy to convince either, you get to try whatever you like etc.

And others who are keen to use inventions that do work out too.

A recent issue of IEEE Spectrum had an article about the power plant engineers in Gaza restarting their plant by
collecting almost 200 car batteries. Same deal, different situation.

Yes, but you dont get that situation in the west very much except in agriculture
and a few other areas like very small scale alternative energy now.

 

[Bret Cahill]

There's something about agriculture that encourages invention.

Monotony I expect.

An inventor needs some time without any distractions. 15 or so years
ago when foreign U.S. patent holders first started to number the
Americans a Japanese inventor explained that Americans rush around too
much.

Other factors play a role, changes in routine that office jobs
generally don't provide and the risk taking nature of the business.
Farmers will try anything. Just take a look at their Rube Goldberg
implements. A lot of the innovation from California, especially bio
tech, may have roots in the large agriculture industry.


Bret Cahill

 

[John Fields]

On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 09:50:31 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 15:16:32 -0000, "Androcles"
Headmaster@Hogwarts.physics_u> wrote:


"Frnak McKenney" <frnak@far.from.the.madding.crowd.com> wrote in message
news:2ZudnRrPNKv_RfPWnZ2dnUVZ_hZi4p2d@earthlink.com...
snip

Beware anyone that can't spell their own name...




Maybe his name is Frnak.

---
Then this would be wrong:

Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates
Richmond, Virginia / (804) 320-4887

JF

 

[Bret Cahill]

A study on intellectual property was published a couple years ago.
You'll find similar results in other western countries.

The top 4 cities are in the 3 bluest of the blue states.  No need to
even mention names because everyone on the planet knows the 4 cities.

Even Austin is by far the most liberal place in Texas.

At one time rightards may have had some value to the economy but they
are as worthless as Al Gore in a dust devil in the info age.

That's why they are all acting bat crap crazy and dog poop stoopid.

How was "intellectual property" defined?  How did they measure it?

He made a point of how IP people destroy neighborhoods running up
housing costs so it must be $.


Bret Cahill

 

[Bret Cahill]

A study on intellectual property was published a couple years
ago.
You'll find similar results in other western countries.

The top 4 cities are in the 3 bluest of the blue states.  No
need to
even mention names because everyone on the planet knows the 4
cities.

American arrogance at its finest - or worst. I'm a non-American,
fairly knowledgeable about the world outside my own country. I
could hazard a guess as to which 4 US cities you mean, but I sure
as hell don't _know_.

NY, SF, LA, Boston.

I can't remember one of the cities, maybe Atlanta or Chicago.


Bret Cahill

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2/7/2010 12:55 PM, Rod Speed wrote:

Phil Hobbs wrote
Jasen Betts wrote
Bret Cahill<BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote

There's something about agriculture that encourages invention.

Monotony I expect.

Yeah, I do too, or more strictly the amount of time they have just sitting
on a fucking great machine checking for things going pear shaped etc.

Nah, mostly poverty

Cant be that. If it was that, most of the invention
would come from the poorest of them, and it doesnt.

and isolation.

Thats easily overstated with modern agriculture and modern communication.

You have to get the job done,

Yes, but they arent unusual there.

or the crops fail and you lose your farm.

You clearly arent in agriculture yourself.

You normally lose your farm due to weather, not not getting the job done.

The worst you are likely to end up with if you dont do the job as well as
others is a lower standard of living than them, you still keep the farm.

Puts a premium on being able to keep things working and to improvise.

Thats not what invention is about.

I believe its mostly just that they have more time than most to
consider inventing something and its the sort of situation where
it is easy to try ideas with no great risk in the trying and in fact
it provides some amusement even if it does not work out. And no
bureaucracy to convince either, you get to try whatever you like etc.

And others who are keen to use inventions that do work out too.

A recent issue of IEEE Spectrum had an article about the power plant engineers in Gaza restarting their plant by
collecting almost 200 car batteries. Same deal, different situation.

Yes, but you dont get that situation in the west very much except in agriculture
and a few other areas like very small scale alternative energy now.

Farmers have had a reputation for inventiveness for a very long
time--way over a century. Before that, just about everyone was a
farmer, so it wasn't so remarkable. Modern farmers tend to be a bit
richer, and of course there aren't so many of them. But if you don't
think poor farmers are inventive, try leaving a car or an old
refrigerator by the side of a road in rural Mexico for a few days, and
see where the parts turn up.

People lose farms for all kinds of reasons--iirc John L. mentioned one
who got high pressure hydraulic oil injected into his arm from a
leak--he lost the arm and the farm. Not weather-related. It just takes
missing a few payments, same as for the rest of us.

And if you don't think invention is about making things work--including
figuring out ways to replace broken things--you have a very impoverished
view, I think. Almost all patents concern ways of doing some existing
job better, for one thing. (Of course probably nobody here [except the
numerous and tiresome political propagandists] would equate patents with
inventions.)

The Internet, which is everybody's favourite example of one thing or
another, was invented to tie existing, incompatible networks together.
The idea was that defense contractors and universities could collaborate
more effectively that way--it was an improvement over mailing paper and
mag tapes back and forth.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal
ElectroOptical Innovations
55 Orchard Rd
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058
hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

 

[Bret Cahill]

I think he's a lawyer, which would make him despised most everywhere.

   Except for hell.  They run the place.

The internet has every field of law in full retreat. IP law may be
the one exception according to UAZ College of Law. It's impossible
for any priesthood to exist when anyone can research everything he
needs to know in seconds.

John Edwards may represent the decadence of the profession.

The uproar over the recent Supreme Court decision is an example of the
past baggage of the elitists.

What's the very worst that can happen? You have to click off 101 pop
up boxes a day instead of 100?

That's somehow going to threaten democracy?


Bret Cahill

 

[Rod Speed]

Phil Hobbs wrote

Rod Speed wrote
Phil Hobbs wrote
Jasen Betts wrote
Bret Cahill<BretCahill@peoplepc.com> wrote

There's something about agriculture that encourages invention.

Monotony I expect.

Yeah, I do too, or more strictly the amount of time they have just sitting on a fucking great machine checking for
things going pear shaped etc.

Nah, mostly poverty

Cant be that. If it was that, most of the invention
would come from the poorest of them, and it doesnt.

and isolation.

Thats easily overstated with modern agriculture and modern communication.

You have to get the job done,

Yes, but they arent unusual there.

or the crops fail and you lose your farm.

You clearly arent in agriculture yourself.

You normally lose your farm due to weather, not not getting the job done.

The worst you are likely to end up with if you dont do the job as
well as others is a lower standard of living than them, you still
keep the farm.

Puts a premium on being able to keep things working and to improvise.

Thats not what invention is about.

I believe its mostly just that they have more time than most to
consider inventing something and its the sort of situation where
it is easy to try ideas with no great risk in the trying and in fact
it provides some amusement even if it does not work out. And no
bureaucracy to convince either, you get to try whatever you like etc.

And others who are keen to use inventions that do work out too.

A recent issue of IEEE Spectrum had an article about the power
plant engineers in Gaza restarting their plant by collecting almost
200 car batteries. Same deal, different situation.

Yes, but you dont get that situation in the west very much except in
agriculture and a few other areas like very small scale alternative
energy now.

Farmers have had a reputation for inventiveness for a very long
time--way over a century.

For countless millennia, actually. Its them that invented plant and
animal breeding and the plow and work animals etc etc etc.

Before that, just about everyone was a farmer, so it wasn't so remarkable.

Yes, but not all that many did much inventing until the industrial revolution showed up.

Modern farmers tend to be a bit richer,

A hell of a lot richer in fact in the west, you dont see that much subsistence farming there now.

and of course there aren't so many of them. But if you don't think poor farmers are inventive, try leaving a car or
an old refrigerator by the side of a road in rural Mexico for a few days, and see where the parts turn up.

Thats not invention, thats just scavenging.

And plenty of that happens with other than agriculture too.

People lose farms for all kinds of reasons--iirc John L. mentioned one who got high pressure hydraulic oil injected
into his arm from a leak--he lost the arm and the farm. Not weather-related.

Its much more often weather related in the modern west.

It just takes missing a few payments, same as for the rest of us.

Nope, nothing like the same. You hardly ever lose the house due to drought etc.

And if you don't think invention is about making things work--including figuring out ways to replace broken
things--you have a very impoverished view, I think.

Thats not invention, thats improvisation.

Yes, lots of that goes on, not just in agriculture, as I said.

Almost all patents concern ways of doing some existing job better, for one thing.

But not from finding a discarded fridge or car by the side of the road etc.

would equate patents with
inventions.)

Have fun listing any other area which involves much real invention.

The Internet, which is everybody's favourite example of one thing or
another, was invented to tie existing, incompatible networks together.

Nope, it was invented to allow communications to continue after a nuke strike.

The idea was that defense contractors and universities could
collaborate more effectively that way--it was an improvement over mailing paper and mag tapes back and forth.

Utterly mangled all over again.

 

[Rod Speed]

Bret Cahill wrote:

There's something about agriculture that encourages invention.

Monotony I expect.

An inventor needs some time without any distractions.

Or with only minor ones, anyway.

Plenty of those involved in agriculture do their inventing
while driving a fucking great machine around the fields etc.
One of the most boring jobs around, you dont even have
much in the way of oncoming traffic to worry about etc.

15 or so years ago when foreign U.S. patent holders first started to number the
Americans a Japanese inventor explained that Americans rush around too much.

Most of those involved in agriculture dont.

Other factors play a role, changes in routine that office jobs
generally don't provide and the risk taking nature of the business.

There are however FAR more very small business owners than farmers.

Farmers will try anything.

And generally have the means to try stuff too.

Just take a look at their Rube Goldberg implements.
A lot of the innovation from California, especially bio
tech, may have roots in the large agriculture industry.

Nope.