Why is PC chasis put on voltage when earth/ground wire is mi

[Joel Koltner]

"Skybuck Flying" <BloodyShame@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Don't bother with formula's and such... nature don't work with formula's...

Formulae give you a means to predict what nature's going to do, which is quite
useful in that -- as your thread here shows -- it's not always intuitively
obvious to the casual observer.

Nature work with electrons... so you try explaining it with little
electronics as if they were cars...

The ground path is kinda like a "high occupancy vehicle" (HOV) lane (do they
have those in your country?) -- the idea is that, compared to the main roads,
it's relatively clean and has little if any traffic on it. Those filter
capacitors' jobs is to essentially take the trucks that are hauling toxic
sludge and route them off of the main road and into the HOV lane, since there
are various restrictions on how much slude is allowed to go through, e.g., the
central business district (that is, how much noise your PC is allowed to
inject into other devices, or other devices are allowed to inject into it).

Cutting the ground lead is somewhat like blowing up the bridges in the HOV
lane: The sludge trucks can no longer use it, and therefore it renders the
filter capacitors ineffective. It also means that if one of the "hot"
vehicles (say, a fuel truck that's been set on fire) inadvertently enters the
HOV lane, since it can no longer return to base via the intended route (since
you blew up the bridges), it'll instead try to climb onto your fingers when
you touch the case, burning/shocking you.

Maybe then I will understand it a bit better !

Which grade did you say you're in? Are you/have you gone to college in a
field related to electronics?

---Joel

 

[Skybuck Flying]

Eletricity does flow in a certain direction... from + to - ?!?

Remember, this is AC (alternating current). It goes one way, then the
other, ovewr and over.

Hmm interesting point... I'll look into this to make sure it's true... but
it sounds believable !

But how such a large distance can swing/move both ways remains weird to
me... then again there are transformer
houses and other stuff in between... and how stuff can swing both ways
between multiple homes also seems a bit weird.

Then it must be flucuating a lot me thinks... like multiple waves right
behind each other... otherwise if it was a single super large wave it would
surely get disturbed

So big + goes to PC... which goes to -.

Little + is leak and why can't it also go to - ?!?

Perhaps use eletricity consuming component to get rid of it, instead
of going via ground wire ?!? So ground no longer necessary.

Ground is there to carry minor leakage (to get rid of electrical noise)
and contain major fault currents, thus keeping the chassis at a safe
voltage level even if something goes wrong, so you don't get electrocuted.
The chassis stays at ground voltage, the same as your house pipes, floor,
etc.

This is assuming the grounding from the chasis to the earth is the shortest
path...

But if I touch my pc and the path through me is shorter will it still go
through me ?!?

Or does it depend on the "most" resistance... if I offer more resistance
then electricity would go via wires ?!?

Or does "literally" shortest distance win... hmmm...

And does electricity care about my resistance anyway ?! probably not up
to a certain point, probably depends on current.

Don't bother with formula's and such... nature don't work with
formula's...
Nature work with electrons... so you try explaining it with little
electronics as if they were cars...

Maybe then I will understand it a bit better !

Bye,
Skybuck.

Try googleing a few basic electronics sites and learning. The formulas
show exactly how electricity works - don't put them down. When you
understand them, you will understand how it works. Argueing with people
here ("don't bother with formulas") just shows an unwillingness to study
and learn. You seem to want us to do all the work for you to learn.

I am trying to learn, but I want to learn it from a practical and
conceptually point... not from a theoretical point... that's more for people
wanting to do real designs and such... Perhaps later I will look into
formula's a little bit more... but don't count on it ! =D

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Skybuck Flying]

"Martin Brown" <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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On 16/05/2011 00:46, Skybuck Flying wrote:
"Dave Platt"<dplatt@radagast.org> wrote in message
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In article<86813$4dd022ec$54192c06$7012@cache2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>,
Skybuck Flying<BloodyShame@hotmail.com> wrote:

Why does it need to be earthed ? Why does it need a third earth wire ?

Why cannot it not simply use two wires without earth and without
putting
the
chasis under voltage ?!?

If you do that, it becomes impossible to filter out "common mode"
electrical noise.

Care to explain why ?

To me these all seem wires... perhaps one or two wires with some kind of
voltage on them.

Let's suppose one wire with voltage on them and the other being zero/nul
wire.

What's the difference with a ground wire ?!? Some even say at nul wire
could
be grounded as well.

So it seems to make little difference/sense... unless there is something
else going on like confusion about
wires/impossible to tell cheaply how they wired electronically and so
forth...

What makes the earth wire so special compared to the other wires ?!?

It is the one that saves your worthless life when something goes wrong.

PSUs can be designed to run off 2 pin sockets if they are double insulated
and show a square in a square on the outside. Wallwarts and mobile phone
charges and portable PC PSUs are typically of this type.

Oh so according to you it is possible to make psu's run on just two wires ?!


Hmmm

But something tells me this won't work well or would be dangerous, perhaps
because
they banned ?

Will they also "scale" up to 600 watt or are these only suited for 200 watts
?!?

All the others are intended to be used in an earthed chassis configuration
to protect the user from any live to case faults - for

How Ironic "to protect user from live"... well now they putting "live" on
chasis when not grounded.

Don't you think that's kinda ironic and dangerous ?!

example if one of the capacitors breaks down and fails short circuit.

Yeah that's my worry right now... what if it breaks and how easy is it to
break ?!?

What will it take to break it ?!? External surges ?!?

I find it incredible that anyone can be so monumentally dumb.

Well you not very smart either... you just stated some things... but have
not explained why a two pin psu would be possible.

Some claim that might not be possible.

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[personaobscura]

On Mon, 16 May 2011 19:33:42 +0200, "Skybuck Flying" <BloodyShame@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Eletricity does flow in a certain direction... from + to - ?!?

Remember, this is AC (alternating current). It goes one way, then the
other, ovewr and over.

Hmm interesting point... I'll look into this to make sure it's true... but
it sounds believable !

But how such a large distance can swing/move both ways remains weird to
me... then again there are transformer
houses and other stuff in between... and how stuff can swing both ways
between multiple homes also seems a bit weird.

Then it must be flucuating a lot me thinks... like multiple waves right
behind each other... otherwise if it was a single super large wave it would
surely get disturbed
[...]

Oh my.

Just when you think this SkyFuck guy couldn't get any stupider, he exceeds all
expectations.

With any luck at all, he'll get his Darwin Award. Posthumously, of course...

 

[Bob F]

Skybuck Flying wrote:

Eletricity does flow in a certain direction... from + to - ?!?

Remember, this is AC (alternating current). It goes one way, then the
other, ovewr and over.

Hmm interesting point... I'll look into this to make sure it's
true... but it sounds believable !

But how such a large distance can swing/move both ways remains weird
to me... then again there are transformer
houses and other stuff in between... and how stuff can swing both ways
between multiple homes also seems a bit weird.

Then it must be flucuating a lot me thinks... like multiple waves
right behind each other... otherwise if it was a single super large
wave it would surely get disturbed

In the US, residential power is typically 240 Volt AC. That is through two
wires, and is two sine waves (look it up) 180 degrees out of phase.
Additionally, there is a groundwire that is grounded where it comes into your
house. The two power "phases" are 180 degrees out of phase with each other. When
one reaches +120V, the other reaches -120V. Thus, the voltage difference between
them is 240VAC (volts alternating current) "peak to peak". They both reach zero
volts at the same time, crossing in different directions. The 120V houshold
outlets are connected between one of the power leads and "ground" (the neutral
wire), so they only carry 120V of the total 240V available. "Super Waves"? I
guess so. But, 2 of them in different conductors, 180 degrees out of phase, or
one "single phase 240V varying equaly around ground, depending on how you look
at it.

If you touch one of the wires of a 240VAC circuit, you are only getting a 120VAC
shock. You have to touch both to get 240VAC.

So big + goes to PC... which goes to -.

Little + is leak and why can't it also go to - ?!?

Perhaps use eletricity consuming component to get rid of it, instead
of going via ground wire ?!? So ground no longer necessary.

Ground is there to carry minor leakage (to get rid of electrical
noise) and contain major fault currents, thus keeping the chassis at
a safe voltage level even if something goes wrong, so you don't get
electrocuted. The chassis stays at ground voltage, the same as your
house pipes, floor, etc.

This is assuming the grounding from the chasis to the earth is the
shortest path...

But if I touch my pc and the path through me is shorter will it still
go through me ?!?

Or does it depend on the "most" resistance... if I offer more
resistance then electricity would go via wires ?!?

Or does "literally" shortest distance win... hmmm...

And does electricity care about my resistance anyway ?! probably
not up to a certain point, probably depends on current.

Yes. It cares about your resistance. The current through you would vary
indirectly with the ratio of the resistance through you (high) to the resistance
through the ground wire (low). So you get very little current, if you have a
good ground. Worst case, you would get 1/2 the line voltage if it shorted
directly to the chassis attached to the ground wire, but only until the breaker
pops.

Don't bother with formula's and such... nature don't work with
formula's...
Nature work with electrons... so you try explaining it with little
electronics as if they were cars...

Maybe then I will understand it a bit better !

Bye,
Skybuck.

Try googleing a few basic electronics sites and learning. The
formulas show exactly how electricity works - don't put them down.
When you understand them, you will understand how it works. Argueing
with people here ("don't bother with formulas") just shows an
unwillingness to study and learn. You seem to want us to do all the
work for you to learn.

I am trying to learn, but I want to learn it from a practical and
conceptually point... not from a theoretical point... that's more for
people wanting to do real designs and such... Perhaps later I will
look into formula's a little bit more... but don't count on it ! =D

Bye,
Skybuck.

http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_1/1.html

See "phase shift = 180 degrees" - This is what the two wires in 240V ac are
doing relative to each other.
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_1/5.html

Wow! I sure wasted too much time on this.

 

[John G]

on 17/05/2011, Skybuck Flying supposed :

"Martin Brown" <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Xh5Ap.6498$241.2977@newsfe07.iad...
On 16/05/2011 00:46, Skybuck Flying wrote:
"Dave Platt"<dplatt@radagast.org> wrote in message
news:m9v5a8-mke.ln1@radagast.org...
In article<86813$4dd022ec$54192c06$7012@cache2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>,
Skybuck Flying<BloodyShame@hotmail.com> wrote:

Why does it need to be earthed ? Why does it need a third earth wire ?

Why cannot it not simply use two wires without earth and without putting
the
chasis under voltage ?!?

If you do that, it becomes impossible to filter out "common mode"
electrical noise.

Care to explain why ?

To me these all seem wires... perhaps one or two wires with some kind of
voltage on them.

Let's suppose one wire with voltage on them and the other being zero/nul
wire.

What's the difference with a ground wire ?!? Some even say at nul wire
could
be grounded as well.

So it seems to make little difference/sense... unless there is something
else going on like confusion about
wires/impossible to tell cheaply how they wired electronically and so
forth...

What makes the earth wire so special compared to the other wires ?!?

It is the one that saves your worthless life when something goes wrong.

PSUs can be designed to run off 2 pin sockets if they are double insulated
and show a square in a square on the outside. Wallwarts and mobile phone
charges and portable PC PSUs are typically of this type.

Oh so according to you it is possible to make psu's run on just two wires ?!


Hmmm

But something tells me this won't work well or would be dangerous, perhaps
because
they banned ?

Will they also "scale" up to 600 watt or are these only suited for 200 watts
?!?

All the others are intended to be used in an earthed chassis configuration
to protect the user from any live to case faults - for

How Ironic "to protect user from live"... well now they putting "live" on
chasis when not grounded.

Don't you think that's kinda ironic and dangerous ?!

example if one of the capacitors breaks down and fails short circuit.

Yeah that's my worry right now... what if it breaks and how easy is it to
break ?!?

What will it take to break it ?!? External surges ?!?


I find it incredible that anyone can be so monumentally dumb.

Well you not very smart either... you just stated some things... but have not
explained why a two pin psu would be possible.

Some claim that might not be possible.

Bye,
Skybuck.

TWO pin power supplies are quite possible and generally the law
requires that they be designed so no external part of them can be
connected to the mains input under expected fault conditions and the
case is plastic.

The more you write the more of an imbecile you paint yourself. :-?

 

[John G]

Bob F wrote :

Skybuck Flying wrote:
Eletricity does flow in a certain direction... from + to - ?!?

Remember, this is AC (alternating current). It goes one way, then the
other, ovewr and over.

Hmm interesting point... I'll look into this to make sure it's
true... but it sounds believable !

But how such a large distance can swing/move both ways remains weird
to me... then again there are transformer
houses and other stuff in between... and how stuff can swing both ways
between multiple homes also seems a bit weird.

Then it must be flucuating a lot me thinks... like multiple waves
right behind each other... otherwise if it was a single super large
wave it would surely get disturbed

In the US, residential power is typically 240 Volt AC. That is through two
wires, and is two sine waves (look it up) 180 degrees out of phase.
Additionally, there is a groundwire that is grounded where it comes into your
house. The two power "phases" are 180 degrees out of phase with each other.
When one reaches +120V, the other reaches -120V. Thus, the voltage difference
between them is 240VAC (volts alternating current) "peak to peak".

Please get your facts right before maging statements. :-?

The voltage is 240 volts RMS, the peak to peak voltage is 339.36 volts.
They both

reach zero volts at the same time, crossing in different directions. The 120V
houshold outlets are connected between one of the power leads and "ground"

Please get your facts right before maging statements. :-?

The 120 volts is between one of the active leads and the neutral which
happens for safety reasons to be connected to ground at the supply
transformer and the building entry points , and only at these 2 points.

(the neutral wire), so they only carry 120V of the total 240V available.
"Super Waves"? I guess so. But, 2 of them in different conductors, 180
degrees out of phase, or one "single phase 240V varying equaly around ground,
depending on how you look at it.

If you touch one of the wires of a 240VAC circuit, you are only getting a
120VAC shock. You have to touch both to get 240VAC.


So big + goes to PC... which goes to -.

Little + is leak and why can't it also go to - ?!?

Perhaps use eletricity consuming component to get rid of it, instead
of going via ground wire ?!? So ground no longer necessary.

Ground is there to carry minor leakage (to get rid of electrical
noise) and contain major fault currents, thus keeping the chassis at
a safe voltage level even if something goes wrong, so you don't get
electrocuted. The chassis stays at ground voltage, the same as your
house pipes, floor, etc.

This is assuming the grounding from the chasis to the earth is the
shortest path...

But if I touch my pc and the path through me is shorter will it still
go through me ?!?

Or does it depend on the "most" resistance... if I offer more
resistance then electricity would go via wires ?!?

Or does "literally" shortest distance win... hmmm...

And does electricity care about my resistance anyway ?! probably
not up to a certain point, probably depends on current.

Yes. It cares about your resistance. The current through you would vary
indirectly with the ratio of the resistance through you (high) to the
resistance through the ground wire (low). So you get very little current, if
you have a good ground. Worst case, you would get 1/2 the line voltage if it
shorted directly to the chassis attached to the ground wire, but only until
the breaker pops.

Don't bother with formula's and such... nature don't work with
formula's...
Nature work with electrons... so you try explaining it with little
electronics as if they were cars...

Maybe then I will understand it a bit better !

Bye,
Skybuck.

Try googleing a few basic electronics sites and learning. The
formulas show exactly how electricity works - don't put them down.
When you understand them, you will understand how it works. Argueing
with people here ("don't bother with formulas") just shows an
unwillingness to study and learn. You seem to want us to do all the
work for you to learn.

I am trying to learn, but I want to learn it from a practical and
conceptually point... not from a theoretical point... that's more for
people wanting to do real designs and such... Perhaps later I will
look into formula's a little bit more... but don't count on it ! =D

Bye,
Skybuck.

http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_1/1.html

See "phase shift = 180 degrees" - This is what the two wires in 240V ac are
doing relative to each other.
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_1/5.html

Wow! I sure wasted too much time on this.

 

[Chieftain of the Carpet C]

On Tue, 17 May 2011 09:42:27 +1000, John G <greentest@ozemail.com.au>
wrote:

TWO pin power supplies are quite possible

NOT in a PC they aren't, you fucking total retard!

 

[John G]

Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers explained on 17/05/2011 :

On Tue, 17 May 2011 09:42:27 +1000, John G <greentest@ozemail.com.au
wrote:

TWO pin power supplies are quite possible

NOT in a PC they aren't, you fucking total retard!

This discussion has got very broad and Skybuck said 2 pin PSUs not
work.
Note PSUs not specificaly Tin Box PCs.
You might notice if you were not such vulgar twit that I said the case
had to be plastic and so it is for Laptop PCs.
If you want to call me a retard please explain how you came to this
decision.

 

[Martin Brown]

On 17/05/2011 03:03, Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers wrote:

On Tue, 17 May 2011 09:42:27 +1000, John G<greentest@ozemail.com.au
wrote:

TWO pin power supplies are quite possible

NOT in a PC they aren't, you fucking total retard!

Almost all portable PCs use two pin mains adapters as an external brick,
and there is no reason why some of the micro PCs can't do it that way
either.

Desktops usually use cheap and nasty high power switching supplies in a
metal chassis case which any sensible person would earth.

The fact is that skybuck is below moron level of intelligence and the
best we can hope for now is to persuade him to grab firm hold of an
earthed water pipe and his PC at the same time.

With a bit of luck he won't waste our time again after that ;-)

Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Chieftain of the Carpet C]

On Tue, 17 May 2011 07:47:04 +0100, Martin Brown
<|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

Almost all portable PCs use two pin mains adapters as an external brick,

You lose. SkyTard's PC is a metal case Chassis PC, and the ATX spec
has NO two pin AC feeds.

Portable PCs are NOT "AC powered". Their dongles are. You lose twice.

 

[Hal]

cut---

http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_1/1.html

See "phase shift = 180 degrees" - This is what the two wires in 240V ac
are doing relative to each other.
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_1/5.html

Wow! I sure wasted too much time on this.


Anyway, nice site to get back the basics.

Hal

 

On Tue, 17 May 2011 07:47:04 +0100, Martin Brown
<|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/05/2011 03:03, Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers wrote:
On Tue, 17 May 2011 09:42:27 +1000, John G<greentest@ozemail.com.au
wrote:

TWO pin power supplies are quite possible

NOT in a PC they aren't, you fucking total retard!

Almost all portable PCs use two pin mains adapters as an external brick,

Really ?

I have seen quite a lot using the 2 pole IEC 60320-1 C1/C7 as well as
the 3 pole C5 variant.

and there is no reason why some of the micro PCs can't do it that way
either.

Desktops usually use cheap and nasty high power switching supplies in a
metal chassis case which any sensible person would earth.

At least in Europe, previously it has been completely legal to install
two pole (Class 0) sockets into a dry environment such as normal
living rooms, however, kitchens and bathrooms require Class 1 grounded
3 pole sockets.

Mains plugs can be Class 0 (L+N) that can be plugged into any Class 0
socket in a dry environment.

A Class 1 (L+N+PE) plug will fit into any Class 0 or Class I socket
and hence is a legal combination. A doubly insulated device (two
squares inside each other) can be mechanically plugged into any
socket.

A class 0 plug does not fit into a class 1 socket, thus, it is illegal
to use a Class 0 device in some wet environment.

 

[Martin Brown]

On 17/05/2011 11:44, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:

On Tue, 17 May 2011 07:47:04 +0100, Martin Brown
|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On 17/05/2011 03:03, Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers wrote:
On Tue, 17 May 2011 09:42:27 +1000, John G<greentest@ozemail.com.au
wrote:

TWO pin power supplies are quite possible

NOT in a PC they aren't, you fucking total retard!

Almost all portable PCs use two pin mains adapters as an external brick,

Really ?

I have seen quite a lot using the 2 pole IEC 60320-1 C1/C7 as well as
the 3 pole C5 variant.

I think you are agreeing with me here. I have one Liteon PSU for a
portable that has a 3 pole C5 flex and all the rest are two pole C7.

In the UK the mains plug has to be 3 pin with live fused since you
cannot plug it into the wall without first inserting the longer earth
pin to release the gate in the socket that hides live and neutral.

and there is no reason why some of the micro PCs can't do it that way
either.

Desktops usually use cheap and nasty high power switching supplies in a
metal chassis case which any sensible person would earth.

At least in Europe, previously it has been completely legal to install
two pole (Class 0) sockets into a dry environment such as normal
living rooms, however, kitchens and bathrooms require Class 1 grounded
3 pole sockets.

In mainland Europe yes although most wall sockets where I have lived and
worked in Belgium were 3 pin (though compact adaptors to Class 0 were
commonly used - sometimes for appliances that should be earthed).

Mains plugs can be Class 0 (L+N) that can be plugged into any Class 0
socket in a dry environment.

A Class 1 (L+N+PE) plug will fit into any Class 0 or Class I socket
and hence is a legal combination. A doubly insulated device (two
squares inside each other) can be mechanically plugged into any
socket.

A class 0 plug does not fit into a class 1 socket, thus, it is illegal
to use a Class 0 device in some wet environment.

In the UK electric code mains sockets in the bathroom are forbidden and
any switches must be on the ceiling with a pull cord.

Only an isolated shaver adaptor is permitted and is subject to
restrictions on its position. Too many people were killed in the past by
electric fires falling into baths in the days before ELCBs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_wiring_in_the_United_Kingdom#Bathrooms

The UK electrical wiring standards have been degraded recently to match
EEC regulations and facilitate increased deaths in bathrooms.

Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[tuinkabouter]

Op 5/17/2011 1:42 AM, Bob F schreef:

Skybuck Flying wrote:
Eletricity does flow in a certain direction... from + to - ?!?

Remember, this is AC (alternating current). It goes one way, then the
other, ovewr and over.

Hmm interesting point... I'll look into this to make sure it's
true... but it sounds believable !

But how such a large distance can swing/move both ways remains weird
to me... then again there are transformer
houses and other stuff in between... and how stuff can swing both ways
between multiple homes also seems a bit weird.

Then it must be flucuating a lot me thinks... like multiple waves
right behind each other... otherwise if it was a single super large
wave it would surely get disturbed

In the US, residential power is typically 240 Volt AC. That is through two
wires, and is two sine waves (look it up) 180 degrees out of phase.
Additionally, there is a groundwire that is grounded where it comes into your
house. The two power "phases" are 180 degrees out of phase with each other. When
one reaches +120V, the other reaches -120V. Thus, the voltage difference between
them is 240VAC (volts alternating current) "peak to peak".

240 is only the effective value. peak to peak value is higher.

--
pim.

 

[Jeroen]

Hi,

On 2011-05-15 00:29, Skybuck Flying wrote:

Can it not simply dump the excessive fluctuations to the other wire ?

Because the CISPR 22 standard for conducted emission prescribes
only the limits for the current that flows into the live and
neutral wires, but not the ground wire. So the ground wire is
fair game. The Y capacitors in the EMI filter will dump the RF
EMI current into the ground lead, where it will not be measured
for the EMI approbation.

The effect of the Y capacitors on the voltage of the cabinet when
the ground is not actually connected has already been explained
to you. It's still safe, it may even comply with "class II" safety
rules, but it is unpleasant. Just use the damn ground then !

PS for optimum results sometimes this means that (part of) the
EMI filter must be placed in the mains plug, which becomes *fat*.
With only an EMI filter on the other side of the mains lead there
may be some crosstalk from the dirty ground wire into the clean
live and neutral wires, making them dirty again. So they must be
cleaned up again in or near the mains plug.

All this is really a dirty technicality. The reason for limiting
conducted emission is because it correlates well with the
radiated emission (they are both part of the same current loop),
so if you limit one then you have automatically limited the
other too. Except when you allow not to measure one wire.....

-- J.

 

[Marcel]

"Skybuck Flying" schreef in bericht
news:26046$4dd024de$54192c06$12470@cache2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...

Antec 1200 case does not mention it as well:

http://www.antec.com/pdf/manuals/1200_EN%20manual.pdf




Off course it is Not in the manual because there is no power supply in it
when you buy it!!!!!

 

[I AM THAT I AM]

On Wed, 18 May 2011 22:23:44 +0200, "Marcel" <aertsmarcel@gmail.com>
wrote:

"Skybuck Flying" schreef in bericht
news:26046$4dd024de$54192c06$12470@cache2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...

Antec 1200 case does not mention it as well:

http://www.antec.com/pdf/manuals/1200_EN%20manual.pdf




Off course it is Not in the manual because there is no power supply in it
when you buy it!!!!!

He is as dumb as it gets. Hands down.

 

[Skybuck Flying]

"Marcel" <aertsmarcel@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Antec 1200 case does not mention it as well:

http://www.antec.com/pdf/manuals/1200_EN%20manual.pdf




Off course it is Not in the manual because there is no power supply in it
when you buy it!!!!!

How the fok does the voltage get on the chasis ?!?!

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Marcel]

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"Marcel" <aertsmarcel@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:nVVAp.5188$m_1.4705@newsfe22.ams2...

"Skybuck Flying" schreef in bericht
news:26046$4dd024de$54192c06$12470@cache2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...

Antec 1200 case does not mention it as well:

http://www.antec.com/pdf/manuals/1200_EN%20manual.pdf




Off course it is Not in the manual because there is no power supply in it
when you buy it!!!!!

How the fok does the voltage get on the chasis ?!?!

Bye,
Skybuck.

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