water heat

[Phil Allison]

"terryc"
Phil Allison wrote:

"David"
"terryc"
Phil Allison :
"terryc"

** Very few homes have or are able to get 3 phase.

Where does this apply? Outback QLD?


** What happened to the context ??

I doubt if any past context is going to rescue it,


** So you are such a colossal FUCKING IDIOT you see no purpose in
context ?


I can get three phase by paying to have it put on,


** Folk is most places cannot and definitely NOT for the purpose
being
discussed.


Easy to get three phase power in most residential places (unless in the
bush on a SWER). Pay your money to the energy provider and get you
electrician to upgrade you switchboard.


** Wrong.

Read the fucking CONTEXT !!!!!!!!!!!

I am in Sydney in a domestic residence and have recently had three phase
wiring installed. Go figure.

** What is the FUCKING context here ???????????????

Three phase for water heaters,

** Storage units only.

A home owner must comply with the local energy supplier's rules.

Those rules eliminated *new* installations of * instantaneous * units some
time in the late 60s or early 70s.

There was a popular brand manufactured in Balmain called " Simplex " - my
golfing buddy worked for them in the late 70s.

The firm still had work repairing old ones, or replacing them with new
models..

The two common models back then were the 20A single phase for showers and a
15A, 3-phase for larger jobs.

I once lived in a house that had a 3-phase Simplex - a horrible POS that
broke down every 6 months.


.... Phil

 

[Jordan]

I wonder if a simple bimetal thermostat
http://australia.rs-online.com/web/p/thermostats/2282658/
and a relay would work?

N/C contacts opening at 15deg C, and auto resetting sounds about right.
Clamp it to the inlet pipe?

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2012-07-25, terryc <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:

On 25/07/12 23:29, Phil Allison wrote:

** Very few homes have or are able to get 3 phase.

Where does this apply? Outback QLD?

outback QLD?

I've seen SPER just outside Nelbourne, they seem to have upgraded it
to a single phase now.

http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=-37.667007,144.58158&spn=0.017597,0.024419&t=m&z=15&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=-37.667024,144.581677&panoid=fUq-zVPiQ4qsXRwTQwLKYg&cbp=12,347.56,,0,-15.66



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[Jasen Betts]

On 2012-07-25, terryc <newsninespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:

On 25/07/12 23:29, Phil Allison wrote:

** Very few homes have or are able to get 3 phase.

Where does this apply? Outback QLD?

outback QLD?

I've seen SWER just outside Nelbourne, they seem to have upgraded it
to a single phase now.

http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=-37.667007,144.58158&spn=0.017597,0.024419&t=m&z=15&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=-37.667024,144.581677&panoid=fUq-zVPiQ4qsXRwTQwLKYg&cbp=12,347.56,,0,-15.66



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[David]

On 26/07/2012 11:29 AM, Phil Allison wrote:

"David"
"terryc"
Phil Allison :
"terryc"

** Very few homes have or are able to get 3 phase.

Where does this apply? Outback QLD?


** What happened to the context ??

I doubt if any past context is going to rescue it,


** So you are such a colossal FUCKING IDIOT you see no purpose in
context ?


I can get three phase by paying to have it put on,


** Folk is most places cannot and definitely NOT for the purpose being
discussed.


Easy to get three phase power in most residential places (unless in the
bush on a SWER). Pay your money to the energy provider and get you
electrician to upgrade you switchboard.


** Wrong.

Read the fucking CONTEXT !!!!!!!!!!!

This is the fucking CONTEXT, writen by Phil

** Very few homes have or are able to get 3 phase.

Response to CONTEXT was that it is easy to get three phase if you are
willing to pay the connection costs.

Plainly wrong as Phil has no idea, as not many toasters need three phase.

Still waiting for a link or details on banning instantaneous electric
water heaters.

David

 

[Dennis]

"David" <david@usenet.com> wrote in message
news:501134c6$0$45466$c3e8da3$aae71a0a@news.astraweb.com...

On 26/07/2012 11:29 AM, Phil Allison wrote:
"David"
"terryc"
Phil Allison :
"terryc"

** Very few homes have or are able to get 3 phase.

Where does this apply? Outback QLD?


** What happened to the context ??

I doubt if any past context is going to rescue it,


** So you are such a colossal FUCKING IDIOT you see no purpose in
context ?


I can get three phase by paying to have it put on,


** Folk is most places cannot and definitely NOT for the purpose
being
discussed.


Easy to get three phase power in most residential places (unless in the
bush on a SWER). Pay your money to the energy provider and get you
electrician to upgrade you switchboard.


** Wrong.

Read the fucking CONTEXT !!!!!!!!!!!


This is the fucking CONTEXT, writen by Phil

** Very few homes have or are able to get 3 phase.

Response to CONTEXT was that it is easy to get three phase if you are
willing to pay the connection costs.

Plainly wrong as Phil has no idea, as not many toasters need three phase.

What about the big toasters that they use in Macca's or HJ's?

Still waiting for a link or details on banning instantaneous electric
water heaters.

David

 

[Phil Allison]

"David the Autistic POS from Hell""

** Folk is most places cannot and definitely NOT for the purpose
being
discussed.


Easy to get three phase power in most residential places (unless in the
bush on a SWER). Pay your money to the energy provider and get you
electrician to upgrade you switchboard.


** Wrong.

Read the fucking CONTEXT !!!!!!!!!!!


This is the fucking CONTEXT, writen by Phil

** Very few homes have or are able to get 3 phase.

** No - it is not the fucking C O N T E X T !!

The ** CONTEXT ** includes the entire set of *implied thoughts* and *
implied ideas * expressed from the very first post onwards.

The Q is NOT about whether it is possible to get 3-phase supplied to a
domestic premises for ANY imaginable purpose.

The Q is about the " purpose being discussed ".

This is IMPLIED - as are nearly ALL contexts.

Not spelled out for fucking RETARDS like you.

Get bowel cancer and die like a pig.




..... Phil

 

[Chris]

On 26/07/2012 5:21 PM, Phil Allison wrote:

"terryc"
Phil Allison wrote:
"David"
"terryc"
Phil Allison :
"terryc"

** Very few homes have or are able to get 3 phase.

Where does this apply? Outback QLD?


** What happened to the context ??

I doubt if any past context is going to rescue it,


** So you are such a colossal FUCKING IDIOT you see no purpose in
context ?


I can get three phase by paying to have it put on,


** Folk is most places cannot and definitely NOT for the purpose
being
discussed.


Easy to get three phase power in most residential places (unless in the
bush on a SWER). Pay your money to the energy provider and get you
electrician to upgrade you switchboard.


** Wrong.

Read the fucking CONTEXT !!!!!!!!!!!

I am in Sydney in a domestic residence and have recently had three phase
wiring installed. Go figure.


** What is the FUCKING context here ???????????????


Three phase for water heaters,


** Storage units only.

A home owner must comply with the local energy supplier's rules.

Those rules eliminated *new* installations of * instantaneous * units some
time in the late 60s or early 70s.

So are you saying that the energy authority rules change between
suburbs, or households or... what??

The unit I have is 3ph, no storage, purchased and installed in 2004 for
a new installation in Sydney with full compliance/approval by all the
relevant authorities.

Chris.

There was a popular brand manufactured in Balmain called " Simplex " - my
golfing buddy worked for them in the late 70s.

The firm still had work repairing old ones, or replacing them with new
models..

The two common models back then were the 20A single phase for showers and a
15A, 3-phase for larger jobs.

I once lived in a house that had a 3-phase Simplex - a horrible POS that
broke down every 6 months.


... Phil

 

[Peter]

"Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote:

"David the Autistic POS from Hell""



** Folk is most places cannot and definitely NOT for the purpose
being
discussed.


Easy to get three phase power in most residential places (unless in the
bush on a SWER). Pay your money to the energy provider and get you
electrician to upgrade you switchboard.


** Wrong.

Read the fucking CONTEXT !!!!!!!!!!!


This is the fucking CONTEXT, writen by Phil

** Very few homes have or are able to get 3 phase.



** No - it is not the fucking C O N T E X T !!

The ** CONTEXT ** includes the entire set of *implied thoughts* and *
implied ideas * expressed from the very first post onwards.

The Q is NOT about whether it is possible to get 3-phase supplied to a
domestic premises for ANY imaginable purpose.

The Q is about the " purpose being discussed ".

This is IMPLIED - as are nearly ALL contexts.

Not spelled out for fucking RETARDS like you.

Get bowel cancer and die like a pig.




.... Phil

Coming in late and no idea of context.....

I have seen three phase power in two residential houses located in
Victoria.

When bands were the go and PA systems ran on three phase I had an adapter
that I would use to merge 3 power points on separate fuses for three phase.

Highly illegal but....

Now Phil, to wish cancer on anybody is pretty sick.
To stipulate bowel cancer is just fucked up.
Be careful what you wish for as you just may get it.


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[Phil Allison]

"Chris"

** Storage units only.

A home owner must comply with the local energy supplier's rules.

Those rules eliminated *new* installations of * instantaneous * units
some
time in the late 60s or early 70s.

So are you saying that the energy authority rules change between suburbs,
or households or... what??

** They make the rules - not me.

The unit I have is 3ph, no storage, purchased and installed in 2004 for a
new installation in Sydney with full compliance/approval by all the
relevant authorities.

** No problem IF you have a 3-phase supply already.

The Q is ALL about getting it put on simply for such a heater that is yet to
be installed.


..... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"Peter"

Coming in late and no idea of context.....

** You have no idea of anything at all.

DROP DEAD !

 

[terryc]

On 27/07/12 15:17, Phil Allison wrote:

** No problem IF you have a 3-phase supply already.
,out of context weasel alert suspected

The Q is ALL about getting it put on simply for such a heater that is yet to
be installed.

Oh FFS, there is no impediment for people with four wires out the front.
the only thing the electricty supplier wanted to know was the power
needs of the device and when lead in was being done.

 

[Phil Allison]

"terry cunthead "

** No problem IF you have a 3-phase supply already.
,out of context weasel alert suspected

The Q is ALL about getting it put on simply for such a heater that is yet
to
be installed.

Oh FFS, there is no impediment for people with four wires out the front.

** That is a MASSIVE piece of BULLSHIT !!!




..... Phil

 

[terryc]

On 27/07/12 17:19, Phil Allison wrote:

"terry cunthead"


** No problem IF you have a 3-phase supply already.
,out of context weasel alert suspected

The Q is ALL about getting it put on simply for such a heater that is yet
to
be installed.

Oh FFS, there is no impediment for people with four wires out the front.


** That is a MASSIVE piece of BULLSHIT !!!

Shrug, Integral energy didn't think so.

 

[Phil Allison]

"terry cunthead"

** That is a MASSIVE piece of BULLSHIT !!!

Shrug, Integral energy didn't think so.

** My god you are a PATHETIC FUCKING LIAR !!

And a massive TROLL.


..... Phil

 

[terryc]

On 27/07/12 17:54, Phil Allison wrote:

"terry cunthead"

** That is a MASSIVE piece of BULLSHIT !!!

Shrug, Integral energy didn't think so.


** My god you are a PATHETIC FUCKING LIAR !!

Well, geee Phil what is your actual experience with trying to get three
phase into a domestic location?

 

[atec77]

On 27/07/2012 6:41 PM, terryc wrote:

On 27/07/12 17:54, Phil Allison wrote:
"terry cunthead"

** That is a MASSIVE piece of BULLSHIT !!!

Shrug, Integral energy didn't think so.


** My god you are a PATHETIC FUCKING LIAR !!

Well, geee Phil what is your actual experience with trying to get three
phase into a domestic location?




Obviously none , three phase in many domestic sites is a simple ask when

capacity allows

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[Phil Allison]

"terry cunthead"

** That is a MASSIVE piece of BULLSHIT !!!

Shrug, Integral energy didn't think so.


** My god you are a PATHETIC FUCKING LIAR !!

Well, geee Phil what is your actual experience with trying to get three
phase into a domestic location?

** Not one tiny bit relevant, not the issue here at ALL and not even SANE.

Go fuck a rotting dead dog.

You PIG IGNORANT DAMN LIAR !!

 

[F Murtz]

terryc wrote:

On 27/07/12 17:19, Phil Allison wrote:
"terry cunthead"


** No problem IF you have a 3-phase supply already.
,out of context weasel alert suspected

The Q is ALL about getting it put on simply for such a heater that
is yet
to
be installed.

Oh FFS, there is no impediment for people with four wires out the front.


** That is a MASSIVE piece of BULLSHIT !!!

Shrug, Integral energy didn't think so.

You are all screaming at each other when a little bit of explanation

would stop it.
Councils will not put three phase on just because the consumer asks for
it for no good reason but if you have equipment that has to have three
phase they will.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Fuckwit Murtz"

You are all screaming at each other when a little bit of explanation would
stop it.

Councils will not put three phase on just because the consumer asks for it
for no good reason but if you have equipment that has to have three phase
they will.

** Fucking, absurd B O L L O C K S !!!!!!!!!

No consumer would ever ask ASK for 3 phase ** UNLESS** they already had
or planned to get an appliance that needed it !!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is the **NATURE** of the appliance that creates issues for the
electricity supplier - AND it is very hard to imagine a **WORSE**
example of a toxic load than a 3 phase, instantaneous water heater.

Think PEAK loading at PEAK times.

Think thousands of 10kW to 14 kW loads coming on at the morning and evening
peaks - that is **3 to 5 times** the normal, per household load.

One or two such heaters in an area would not hurt much, but a whole street
or suburb full of them would be a DISASTER for the suppliers.

This peak load issue arose in the 60s and the sale of more units had to be
discouraged strongly because of it.

Off-peak storage hot water was vastly preferred mainly because it avoided
peak load issues.

Anyone recall the massive media campaigns that urged all home consumers to
go that way ?

Or do I need to sing that "Midnight Oil" song ??



..... Phil