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It was suggested and installed by a very reliable plumber. It's only"swanny"
I know someone who had this problem in their kitchen. They installed a
small electric hot water on demand unit under the sink, fed from the
main HW system. Worked just fine.
** That is a very neat idea !!
The low capacity unit supplies hot water for only a few minutes, then when
it would otherwise run cold - it simply does not as the in-coming water is
already H O T hot !!
A plug-in, 2kW rated, 10 litre unit would be fine.
I wonder if it is 100% legal under plumbing rules......
.... Phil
Sorry to upset you, and thanks for the roses!"Jordan the Jerkoff"
My bathroom is so far away from the water heater, it takes ages to get
hot
water there.
** Tough.
Thanks.
** Like it or lump it - fuckhead.
Is there an electric heater that can be fitted near the tap to quickly
heat up the initial flow,
** Nope.
Please explain.
** FFS read the whole post - you fucking SHITHEAD !!!!!!!!
The electrical power requirements for such a heater ( about 6 kW ) is
prohibitive
Calcs?
** Go get fucked you pig ignorant wog cunt.
FYI and others:
The once popular " instantaneous " type electric water heaters ran on
three phase power and consumed over 10kW.
They were good for one shower head at a time.
They were banned from domestic installation decades ago by state energy
authorities.
BTW:
The OP is a fucking nut case moron.
.... Phil
I am currently using one of these:"Jordan the Jerkoff"
My bathroom is so far away from the water heater, it takes ages to get
hot
water there.
** Tough.
Thanks.
** Like it or lump it - fuckhead.
Is there an electric heater that can be fitted near the tap to quickly
heat up the initial flow,
** Nope.
Please explain.
** FFS read the whole post - you fucking SHITHEAD !!!!!!!!
The electrical power requirements for such a heater ( about 6 kW ) is
prohibitive
Calcs?
** Go get fucked you pig ignorant wog cunt.
FYI and others:
The once popular " instantaneous " type electric water heaters ran on
three phase power and consumed over 10kW.
They were good for one shower head at a time.
They were banned from domestic installation decades ago by state energy
authorities.
Chris.BTW:
The OP is a fucking nut case moron.
.... Phil
Thanks. I rang Steinel this morning. They don't want to sell theirFYI and others:
The once popular " instantaneous " type electric water heaters ran on
three phase power and consumed over 10kW.
They were good for one shower head at a time.
They were banned from domestic installation decades ago by state energy
authorities.
I am currently using one of these:
Stiebel Eltron Model DHB-E18
Type of system Three phase electric mains pressure instantaneous
Electrical connection 19.6kW, 27A per Ph
Switch on Flow Rate 3.0L/min
Electrical Installation As per AS3000
Nominal Capacity 0.4 litres
Type of System Three phase electric mains pressure instantaneous
Permissible Operating Pressure 1000kPa
Approvals Australian Standards Watermark AS3498 LicW301
Element Type Bare Wire
Installation Requirements AS3500.4.2 and local authority regulations
It was installed in 2004 as part of a fully council-approved (Hawkesbury
NSW) home extension.
The energy authority does not appear upset by this as long as I pay my
bills.
Chris.
From what I can see the DEL series are 3ph, I thought you were afterFYI and others:
The once popular " instantaneous " type electric water heaters ran on
three phase power and consumed over 10kW.
They were good for one shower head at a time.
They were banned from domestic installation decades ago by state energy
authorities.
I am currently using one of these:
Stiebel Eltron Model DHB-E18
Type of system Three phase electric mains pressure instantaneous
Electrical connection 19.6kW, 27A per Ph
Switch on Flow Rate 3.0L/min
Electrical Installation As per AS3000
Nominal Capacity 0.4 litres
Type of System Three phase electric mains pressure instantaneous
Permissible Operating Pressure 1000kPa
Approvals Australian Standards Watermark AS3498 LicW301
Element Type Bare Wire
Installation Requirements AS3500.4.2 and local authority regulations
It was installed in 2004 as part of a fully council-approved (Hawkesbury
NSW) home extension.
The energy authority does not appear upset by this as long as I pay my
bills.
Chris.
Thanks. I rang Steinel this morning. They don't want to sell their
systems for bathroom use any more, because now the law is such that
temperature is limited to 50 deg C. The rep said their 85 deg models are
OK for kitchens etc. Also pricey - model DEL18 is $1200.
I'm looking into Rezi model 3 (3kW) at $300, but even this would need a
dedicated 15A circuit I think.
I don't need even 50 deg - just temporarily warm enough that it isn't
painfully cold.
Thanks. DEL18 is what the Stiebel rep mentioned as a suitable option,Thanks. I rang Steinel this morning. They don't want to sell their
systems for bathroom use any more, because now the law is such that
temperature is limited to 50 deg C. The rep said their 85 deg models are
OK for kitchens etc. Also pricey - model DEL18 is $1200.
I'm looking into Rezi model 3 (3kW) at $300, but even this would need a
dedicated 15A circuit I think.
I don't need even 50 deg - just temporarily warm enough that it isn't
painfully cold.
From what I can see the DEL series are 3ph, I thought you were after
1ph? Bound to be cheaper...
The 1ph models are the DHC series. There's also a dedicated "under sink"
model SNU series which appear to be exactly what you are after - quote
from the web page:
"The STIEBEL ELTRON point of use water heaters eliminate the long runs
of pipework and the waiting of hot water to the kitchen sink."
Have a look here:
http://www.stiebel.com.au/water-heating/products/snu-under-sink-point-of-use-water-heater/
HTH
Chris.
Do you have a reference / link for this? They are still readilyFYI and others:
The once popular " instantaneous " type electric water heaters ran
on three phase power and consumed over 10kW.
They were good for one shower head at a time.
They were banned from domestic installation decades ago by state
energy authorities.
Thanks. I rang Steinel this morning. They don't want to sell their
systems for bathroom use any more, because now the law is such that
temperature is limited to 50 deg C. The rep said their 85 deg models are
OK for kitchens etc. Also pricey - model DEL18 is $1200.
I'm looking into Rezi model 3 (3kW) at $300, but even this would need a
dedicated 15A circuit I think.
I don't need even 50 deg - just temporarily warm enough that it isn't
painfully cold.
From what I can see the DEL series are 3ph, I thought you were after
1ph? Bound to be cheaper...
The 1ph models are the DHC series. There's also a dedicated "under sink"
model SNU series which appear to be exactly what you are after - quote
from the web page:
"The STIEBEL ELTRON point of use water heaters eliminate the long runs
of pipework and the waiting of hot water to the kitchen sink."
Have a look here:
http://www.stiebel.com.au/water-heating/products/snu-under-sink-point-of-use-water-heater/
HTH
Chris.
Thanks. DEL18 is what the Stiebel rep mentioned as a suitable option,
without asking what sort of power I have. I think he was trying to pour
cold water over the idea. (Is that a pun?)
The one you pointed to doesn't look to be tankless, rather it has a 5 or
10 litre tank. I think that means it must be always cycling power to keep
it hot. I'd prefer not to do that if possible.
I spoke to a Rezi rep. They do a range of tankless heaters - 3.3kW, 5kW &
7.3kW in single phase types. The higher powers allow greater flow rates
for a given rise in temperature. All the same price ~$260 inc GST. Made in
Switzerland, which I guess is better than China. But, they don't sense
temperature and turn off heating!
Maybe a separate sensor could be put in upstream a bit and do something to
control the heater. I'd much rather an off the shelf solution, but it
could be there isn't one.
FYI and others:
The once popular " instantaneous " type electric water heaters ran on
three phase power and consumed over 10kW.
They were good for one shower head at a time.
They were banned from domestic installation decades ago by state energy
authorities.
I am currently using one of these:
Stiebel Eltron Model DHB-E18
** Very few homes have or are able to get 3 phase.It was installed in 2004 as part of a fully council-approved (Hawkesbury
NSW) home extension.
Thanks. I rang Steinel this morning. They don't want to sell their systems
for bathroom use any more,
"The STIEBEL ELTRON point of use water heaters eliminate the long runs
of pipework and the waiting of hot water to the kitchen sink."
Where does this apply? Outback QLD?** Very few homes have or are able to get 3 phase.
Phil Allison wrote:
** Very few homes have or are able to get 3 phase.
Where does this apply? Outback QLD?
some future context."terryc"
Phil Allison wrote:
** Very few homes have or are able to get 3 phase.
Where does this apply? Outback QLD?
** What happened to the context ??
I doubt if any past context is going to rescue it, but feel free to add
allow you to have your wicked way with me.You brain dead cunt.
Well, it is past pumkin hour, but no amount of sweat talk is gong to
Sort of, but I don't want to change the existing tap arrangement, and IWhat about this:
http://caravansplus.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=11987
Sort of, but I don't want to change the existing tap arrangement, and I
gather the caravan types have a very slow flow.
I want a tankless heater that can lift temp from near-freezing to warm at
a reasonable flow rate, and turn itself off when inlet water reaches warm.
** Horse poo.I got an email from a Rezi rep, who said they were going to look into
adding a sensor/switch that could do that.
"terryc"
** Very few homes have or are able to get 3 phase.
Where does this apply? Outback QLD?
** What happened to the context ??
I doubt if any past context is going to rescue it,
I can get three phase by paying to have it put on,
Easy to get three phase power in most residential places (unless in the"terryc"
Phil Allison :
"terryc"
** Very few homes have or are able to get 3 phase.
Where does this apply? Outback QLD?
** What happened to the context ??
I doubt if any past context is going to rescue it,
** So you are such a colossal FUCKING IDIOT you see no purpose in context ?
I can get three phase by paying to have it put on,
** Folk is most places cannot and definitely NOT for the purpose being
discussed.
"terryc"
Phil Allison :
"terryc"
** Very few homes have or are able to get 3 phase.
Where does this apply? Outback QLD?
** What happened to the context ??
I doubt if any past context is going to rescue it,
** So you are such a colossal FUCKING IDIOT you see no purpose in
context ?
I can get three phase by paying to have it put on,
** Folk is most places cannot and definitely NOT for the purpose being
discussed.
Easy to get three phase power in most residential places (unless in the
bush on a SWER). Pay your money to the energy provider and get you
electrician to upgrade you switchboard.
I am in Sydney in a domestic residence and have recently had three phase"David"
"terryc"
Phil Allison :
"terryc"
** Very few homes have or are able to get 3 phase.
Where does this apply? Outback QLD?
** What happened to the context ??
I doubt if any past context is going to rescue it,
** So you are such a colossal FUCKING IDIOT you see no purpose in
context ?
I can get three phase by paying to have it put on,
** Folk is most places cannot and definitely NOT for the purpose being
discussed.
Easy to get three phase power in most residential places (unless in the
bush on a SWER). Pay your money to the energy provider and get you
electrician to upgrade you switchboard.
** Wrong.
Read the fucking CONTEXT !!!!!!!!!!!