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JPIt's amazing how many unadorned 40-50-something women want just an
intelligent lick/suck/fuck-friend who DOESN'T want to move in with
them and run their life for them!
You mean .... WORKING.... women I presume?
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I don't pay them or compensate them otherwise. YOU figure it out.
-Steve
So the rich widow is acceptable?
In Walz's world, you'll have no choice.On a sunny day (05 May 2004 05:20:21 GMT) it happened jdege@jdege.visi.com
(Jeffrey C. Dege) wrote in <slrnc9guck.a9o.jdege@jdege.visi.com>:
On Wed, 05 May 2004 05:03:55 GMT, R. Steve Walz <rstevew@armory.com> wrote:
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There is no need to reward quality, that's what quality control and
worker peer group authority to fire are for. There is only the need
to reward hours of labor.
If I'm to be rewarded the same, regardless of my labor, I'm going to
fold paper airplanes.
No, I am not sure about that, I would still be interested in electronics,
science, and if I had a choice would do what I liked, EVEN it if was more
complicated to do.
Sorry. It seemed like it could be either of us.On Wed, 05 May 2004 05:50:54 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:
John Fields wrote:
On Tue, 04 May 2004 17:58:30 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 04 May 2004 03:38:51 GMT) it happened "R. Steve Walz"
rstevew@armory.com> wrote in <40971112.2CE3@armory.com>:
Saint wrote:
I urge you to stop playing Doom for a while, and go read a book. It's
also of importance to open your window and look outside to see how the
real world is going.
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I've NEVER played "Doom" and I've read FAR more than YOU have!
Believe it!
Believe? But you are against religion!
---
You're an ass.
An assertion which can be easily tested requires no dogma except that
the outcome of the test be considered valid if the premise is true.
In this instance, a simple reading list would suffice to determine the
truth of the premise, so take your supercilious opinion and stuff it
back up your ass where it belongs.
What the hell is it with you losers, anyway?
You seem to think that just because you have some half-baked idea
about how everything should be and you've been given the means whereby
you can express yourselves that your idiotic prattle is important.
Think again.
Before you can rise up out of the noise you need to know something
about where on the spectrum you belong, and from what I've seen so
far, you seem to think that you're broadband enough, and the best
thing to come along since sliced bread, that you're fit to render
decisions about just about everything.
You're not.
You're basically just an opinionated clueless fuck who will spend the
rest of his life wishing for things to happen which will prove him
right.
--
John Fields
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Attributions!: Who are you responding to??
---
Panteltje, of course; I'm surprised you had to ask !^)
--
John Fields
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You mean on some judges power. But then you're too dim to followOn Wed, 05 May 2004 06:45:36 GMT, R. Steve Walz <rstevew@armory.com> wrote:
Jeffrey C. Dege wrote:
On Wed, 05 May 2004 04:17:45 GMT, R. Steve Walz <rstevew@armory.com> wrote:
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The majority sets up and operates the courts, they can do it directly
or indirectly. No such distinction as you make exists. Your "mob"
notion about direct democracy is merely disingenuous.
The issue isn't who sets up the courts, but whether they operate under
rules that are determined in advance, or at the whim of the judge.
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Why would a Majority Democracy want to set some random judge loose
without instructing them what it wanted done??
Why would a Majority put limits on its own power?
----------------------
As it always has. The law is simply not precise enough.The law can, and to make a central
direction of economic possible must, legalize to what all intents and
purposes remains arbitrary action. If the law says that such a board or
authority may do what it pleases, anything that board or authority does
is legal - but its actions are certainly not subject to the Rule of Law.
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Nonsense, we have smaller divisions of local government that award
variances from statute to meet valid needs where the nature of the
circumstance was not foreseen by the intent of the law. And voted
law grants them that subordinated power subject to review.
In other words, the Majority follows the law, unless it wants to do
something else.
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There aren't any oligarchs. That's merely your dishonest posturing.Or in truth, the oligarchs can do anything they like, so long as they
can convince the mob that it was a good idea.
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Will Rogers always appealed to the worst and most pessimistic aboutNever blame a legislative body for not doing something. When they do
nothing, they don't hurt anybody. When they do something is when they
become dangerous.
- Will Rogers
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You're merely trying to define employment as slavery.On Wed, 05 May 2004 06:51:38 GMT, R. Steve Walz <rstevew@armory.com> wrote:
Jeffrey C. Dege wrote:
On Wed, 05 May 2004 05:03:55 GMT, R. Steve Walz <rstevew@armory.com> wrote:
----------------------------
There is no need to reward quality, that's what quality control and
worker peer group authority to fire are for. There is only the need
to reward hours of labor.
If I'm to be rewarded the same, regardless of my labor, I'm going to
fold paper airplanes.
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You will be rewarded the same per hour IF and ONLY IF you perform
labor that is authorized by the Majority to BE paid.
So now you're advocating slavery?
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You mean the People do, you just say "State" in order to try toNot only does the State determine where I live, but the State
determines what labor I do?
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Will Rogers was nothing but a public sycophant.Never blame a legislative body for not doing something. When they do
nothing, they don't hurt anybody. When they do something is when they
become dangerous.
- Will Rogers
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Meaningless spew.R. Steve Walz wrote:
The engineer can always become a ditch digger. All it takes is a shovel
and a pick. Can the ditch digger become an engineer if you give him a
calculator?
-Chuck
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If the State educates him, which is his equal right, sure. It matters
not whether someone can do a different job instantly, compensation
must be fair, and fairness is not about education or no edcuation.
The Democracy is made up of both kinds of people, and THEY ALL decide
politically what Fairness is!! If you can't require an engineering
degree to vote, then Wage Fairness has nothing to do with education.
-Steve
Balderdash!
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Nor do we need to. That doesn't mean some should be slaves to othersIn spite of your delusions, all people are not endowed with equal
abilities. You can't teach a moron to think like a genius. You
can't teach me to sing like Pavoratti.
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None of that matters, re-read my response above.I am a very good engineer (pat! pat! pat!) I am also a very good
ditch digger. I can do the job with a backhoe, or a shovel and a
pick. Because I am smart, and healthy, you can put me to a wide
variety of jobs and I will excel at all of them. In my experience
with a lot of different trades, I have met plenty of ditch diggers
and carpenters that couldn't make heads nor tails of a simple task
like balancing a checkbook. How are these mental giants going to
do with a multi variable calculus problem?
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That's nonsense. You do your job, you put no one to work. TheirWhen I work as an engineer, I put a lot of other people to work.
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Nonsense.When I work as a ditch digger, I only put myself to work. And,
simple observation would show you that ditches don't stay dug.
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Doesn't matter, it doesn't give you the right to enslave others toAs an engineer, I am 1-in-10000, there are 10000 people who could do
my job as well as I can. As a ditch digger I am 1-in-1E9, there are
1 billion people that could dig ditches as well as I can.
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Nonsense, first come first served, it needs only be scarce, and onlyThe free market rules of supply and demand require a scarce commodity
to be more valuable than a common commodity.
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Nonsense, all efforts that are needed affect everyone.I can affect more
people's lives as an engineer, than I ever will as a ditch digger.
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That's because you're incompetent at it.I am done arguing with you Mr Walz.
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Then feel free. If that's the limit to the depth of your commitmentI would rather dig ditches for
the rest of my life than to work as an engineer at a ditch digger's
wages in your version of "utopia". Over here, we call it hell.
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You will simply die, and good riddance.If your system of utopia infects this country, I will find new
employment destroying your system. And I will do fabulously well
at it too!
-Chuck
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Anyone on the side of Justice will choose Fairness.R. Steve Walz wrote:
Chuck Harris wrote:
R. Steve Walz wrote:
Land then will no longer be salable, only tradable for the same
amount of residential land and home. All other land is governed
for social use by the Local Majority.
How are you going to convince someone who has a piece of land that
happens to be in a popularily desirable location to swap with you
who has land that is on the wrong side of the railroad tracks, or
downwind of the People's Rehabilatory Crematorium?
--------------------------------
Who would want to live there? They'd request to move and the Local
Committee would agree. But not everyone can live in Hawaii. Preventing
them from trying to can be unfairly done by wealth and housing prices,
or fairly done by housing-trade.
Precisely!
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If there is too much clamor a place, we will have to remove everyoneSo, when all the lots for building are taken up in the nice
places, all that will be left are those that are less desirable.
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I'm not, I don't need to live in a resort.How are you planning to get your lot in a nice place?
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Ho-hum.You will have
to take it by force because someone will already "own" it.
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Nonsense. Opinions of worth are usually based on classist violationsBy virtue of human desires, some residences will be more equal
than others. That inequality will make some people more wealthy
than others. Do you propose a complete reshuffeling every few
months (it would keep state movers occupied in their misery)?
-Chuck
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Nope, people get to stay where they dwell unless they wish to move.
Same as now.
Equality is a matter of opinion. They can build any kind of home
they wish for themselves.
The finest home in the world isn't worth sh*t if it is in a bad
location. Ask your local realtor.
-Chuck
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You'll quickly find you'll be so bored that you'll go back to yourJeffrey C. Dege wrote:
Nonsense, you simply have art as hobby AND as vocation, just like now!
I'm sorry, I don't understand.
I'm an engineer. It's lucrative, but takes a great deal of effort and
energy, as well having taken as a significant investment in education
and training.
Currently, I find it worth the effort.
But if I'm to be paid the same as a washroom attendent, it wouldn't be.
Being a washroom attendent is a far less stressful job.
So if I'm to be rewarded the same, regardless of what I do, I'll choose
the job that takes the least effort.
As would any sane and intelligent individual.
-Chuck
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I don't even know any prostitutes.R. Steve Walz wrote:
It's amazing how many unadorned 40-50-something women want just an
intelligent lick/suck/fuck-friend who DOESN'T want to move in with
them and run their life for them!
You mean .... WORKING.... women I presume?
-----------------------
I don't pay them or compensate them otherwise. YOU figure it out.
-Steve
Then you admit that by taking their efforts for free, you are stealing
from the prostitutes?
Shame!
-Chuck
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You're incompetent and unfit to judge any such thing."R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:40988457.186F@armory.com...
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No, I simply turn it to mine own meaning, as I do indeed see it
that way. I know True Human Nature.
Pfh! If you had any modicum of a clue, you wouldn't be anywhere
near the fool that you are.
Rich
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"Weird"??On a sunny day (Wed, 05 May 2004 06:02:55 GMT) it happened "R. Steve Walz"
rstevew@armory.com> wrote in <40988457.186F@armory.com>:
No, I simply turn it to mine own meaning, as I do indeed see it
that way. I know True Human Nature.
Then why carry on about such a weard system?
JP
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Geek/nerds will be geek/nerds, no matter. It's their nature.On a sunny day (05 May 2004 05:20:21 GMT) it happened jdege@jdege.visi.com
(Jeffrey C. Dege) wrote in <slrnc9guck.a9o.jdege@jdege.visi.com>:
On Wed, 05 May 2004 05:03:55 GMT, R. Steve Walz <rstevew@armory.com> wrote:
----------------------------
There is no need to reward quality, that's what quality control and
worker peer group authority to fire are for. There is only the need
to reward hours of labor.
If I'm to be rewarded the same, regardless of my labor, I'm going to
fold paper airplanes.
No, I am not sure about that, I would still be interested in electronics,
science, and if I had a choice would do what I liked, EVEN it if was more
complicated to do.
It is all a balance.
To do other things for a while helps to expand your experience, and later
you can use what you learned in other fields.
This is great for engineering, if you actually KNOW how to use the
ditch digger machines, you can work out improvements in it at the spot.
JP
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Nonsense. You just can't subject others less lucky than you to aOn Wed, 05 May 2004 21:39:11 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (05 May 2004 05:20:21 GMT) it happened jdege@jdege.visi.com
(Jeffrey C. Dege) wrote in <slrnc9guck.a9o.jdege@jdege.visi.com>:
On Wed, 05 May 2004 05:03:55 GMT, R. Steve Walz <rstevew@armory.com> wrote:
----------------------------
There is no need to reward quality, that's what quality control and
worker peer group authority to fire are for. There is only the need
to reward hours of labor.
If I'm to be rewarded the same, regardless of my labor, I'm going to
fold paper airplanes.
No, I am not sure about that, I would still be interested in electronics,
science, and if I had a choice would do what I liked, EVEN it if was more
complicated to do.
In Walz's world, you'll have no choice.
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You can go where you want, you can trade homes with anyone whoNot even the choice to leave and go somewhere else.
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Yup!It must be remembered that there is nothing more difficult to plan, more
doubtful of success, nor more dangerous to manage, than the creation of
a new system. For the initiator has the emnity of all who would profit
by the preservation of the old institutions and merely lukewarm defenders
in those who would gain by the new ones.
- Niccolo Machiavelli, 1513
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I tend to appreciate women who care about social justice, thanks.On a sunny day (Wed, 05 May 2004 05:33:38 GMT) it happened "R. Steve Walz"
rstevew@armory.com> wrote in <40987D7A.2F14@armory.com>:
It's amazing how many unadorned 40-50-something women want just an
intelligent lick/suck/fuck-friend who DOESN'T want to move in with
them and run their life for them!
You mean .... WORKING.... women I presume?
-----------------------
I don't pay them or compensate them otherwise. YOU figure it out.
-Steve
So the rich widow is acceptable?
JP
---------------------------------
How do you know that? Most primitive tribes studied in the last century orJan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 05 May 2004 06:02:55 GMT) it happened "R. Steve
Walz"
rstevew@armory.com> wrote in <40988457.186F@armory.com>:
No, I simply turn it to mine own meaning, as I do indeed see it
that way. I know True Human Nature.
Then why carry on about such a weard system?
JP
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"Weird"??
It's not weird, it parallels the way humans lived in tribes for
a hundred thousand years.
Nonsense. You're obviously unread."R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:40999129.1222@armory.com...
Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 05 May 2004 06:02:55 GMT) it happened "R. Steve
Walz"
rstevew@armory.com> wrote in <40988457.186F@armory.com>:
No, I simply turn it to mine own meaning, as I do indeed see it
that way. I know True Human Nature.
Then why carry on about such a weard system?
JP
-----------------------
"Weird"??
It's not weird, it parallels the way humans lived in tribes for
a hundred thousand years.
How do you know that? Most primitive tribes studied in the last century or
so had a strongman/chief/king type of government.
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Employment is only slavery if I don't have a choice as to where I workJeffrey C. Dege wrote:
You will be rewarded the same per hour IF and ONLY IF you perform
labor that is authorized by the Majority to BE paid.
So now you're advocating slavery?
-------------------
You're merely trying to define employment as slavery.
Nope. "The People" aren't going to vote on every hiring decision, someNot only does the State determine where I live, but the State
determines what labor I do?
---------------------
You mean the People do, you just say "State" in order to try to
enflame knee-jerk rightwing scum.
Nope.Actually the People doing it is the same as the Market doing it,
since it is also out of your control.
My labor is worth more than yours is.Chuck Harris wrote:
In spite of your delusions, all people are not endowed with equal
abilities. You can't teach a moron to think like a genius. You
can't teach me to sing like Pavoratti.
-------------------------
Nor do we need to. That doesn't mean some should be slaves to others
by underpaying them. And slavery it is, because when one man pays
another less for his hour than he demands for himself, he is stealing
part of that man's hour of labor without paying for it.
So now you're espousing ethnic cleansing?If there is too much clamor a place, we will have to remove everyone
from that area and make it a time-shared resource that everyone can
enjoy on scheduled vacations.
Actually, yes they did, many of them.When National Health came in they said that Canadian doctors would
all take up other fields, or even flee to the US, well, they didn't.