Very few solar panels on new houses

[Rod Speed]

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On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 6:04:40 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey
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On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:59:47 +0100, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net
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On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:45:33 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey
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On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:25:56 +0100, Andy Burns
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wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental
shit, like
solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc. But why do
they
have
only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the
feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a
couple
of years old. None I could understand, loads I could understand,
but
not a few on each roof.

One factor could be that the output per panel has gone up over
time. They were ~200W a decade ago, new ones are ~300W. But
still
3 or 4 would be only 1200W, not even enough to equal what a
typical
house
uses. And you'd think that some of the cost is fixed, ie putting
in
12 isn't going to cost 3 times what it costs to put in 4, so if
it's
undersized, the economics is worse.

Agreed - you might aswell make as much use of the roof space as you
can.
And so what if you generate more than the house uses? There are
houses
that don't generate anything. And once we all use electric cars,
we'll
need a hell of a lot more.

I think in the above you're assuming that you get paid a decent rate
on
the excess, which may not be true. You may only get wholesale rate,
which makes it economically unviable.

Surely you'll make at least roughly what you save by making your own
for
what you use?

Nope, the electricity supplier doesn't pay you anything like what you
pay
them for the electricity.

But since usage per house is very variable,

I'm not convinced that it is that variable except in
the sense that some have a lot more people in them
than others and some have fools that are actually
stupid enough to spend the winter in shorts and
a T shirt when inside their house etc and you
wouldn't normally do that with the solar panels.

I mean throughout the day. People turn kettles on and off, TVs on and
off, lights on and off, computers on and off, fridges and freezers cycle
on and off. There will be plenty times in he middle of the day with a lot
of solar energy and nowhere to use it.

even a few panels will be giving it to the grid half the time.

Don't buy that in the wilds of scotland in the winter.

But most solar energy is in summer.

Virtually nobody uses electricity continuously,

Those who heat the house electrically or use a heat pump do.

Those cycle on and off with a stat.

it tends to be in spurts.

Irrelevant to whether twice the size panel would sell houses there.

That's what its about. It looks like those places were 'designed'
to appeal to stupid greenys without fucking the price too much.

Probably.

It also seems damn stupid to build an estate of 50 houses and put
1.2kW on each roof, instead of 2.4kW on half the roofs, with a much
lower installation cost.

And do what with the owners? One owner produces the power, is
subject
to the costs and benefits, the other is just another power system
customer.

Different people might want it or not.

But the owner of the house with the panels on it may
well not be able to afford the double panel installation.

Fuck all cost compared to the whole house.

But with house prices so high now, most will be finding it
hard to find someone who will lend them what they need
to buy the house and so the optional stuff like a double sized
panel will be what doesn't make the cut to get the loan even
if it does make economic sense in the long term. I doubt that
the double sized panel would make economic sense in the
long term in scotland. Bet it would make more sense to
out that money into shares instead.

And even more sense to have no panels at all and let the energy get
generated more cheaply on mass in power stations.

But that doesn't let you do your own power generation
and make an obscene gesture in the general direction
of the power generation companys.

Now that the bribes have gone for new installations,
it still makes sense to diy your power generation in
areas with decent solar insolation, particularly if you
don't want to get involved in the stock market or
with mutual funds etc with interest rates so low now.

They do have large solar arrays that are on businesses
or just on acres of land, generating power for the grid.

Yes I know someone who did that on his farm, filling an entire field,
but it was only economically viable because of a subsidy.

 

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[Rod Speed]

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On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:53:05 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey
wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:48:40 +0100, Andy Burns
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Commander Kinsey wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the
feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a
couple
of
years old.

FIT ended (for new installs) 31st March 2019.

I wasn't aware it was a different date for new installs. I tried
to
get
some on my existing house 5 years ago and just missed it.

However, if the bribery had ended, why did they install any at
all?
Is
there some silly regulation saying they have to have a small
number?

And these houses would have been completed before 31st March 2019.

You don't even say where this is. The rebates, tax incentives,
payments
for electric you generate, vary widely, state by state.

Sorry I thought you knew I lived in the UK.

I agree though that a small number doesn't make sense, assuming
it's
not
enough to cover the energy usage of the house.

Irrelevant, you can always make more and it just goes into the grid.

But when you are paid fuck all for what goes into the grid
it makes no sense to be paying a lot more for the panels.

It also makes no sense to have any at all.

Yep, in scotland with a new house it makes a lot
more sense to spend that on a better house.

Agreed.

Unless you're an unusual person who constantly consumes a small amount
of power,

Nothing unusual about being retired, not working or working from home
anymore.

Most retired folk live in better houses, these are small new builds.

But plenty do downsize in retirement.

A few poor folk do.

Plenty of non poor people do too.

> But I find most older folk in nice big houses.

Bet statistically that's bullshit with even just scotland.

And your consumption still won't be anything like related to the solar
generation. Most of the time you will be buying or selling to the grid.

That's arguable with those I listed.

Everybody uses electricity unevenly.

But that doesn't necessarily mean its viable to sell to the grid
when the grid pays fuck all for what you send them now.

you'll often be selling the 1kW to the grid anyway, as it's nearer
midday
when you get more sun, and that's when you're probably out.

Spotted something else there today: heat pumps! Never seen one
installed
in the UK before.

Then you need to get out more.

No, the UK needs to adopt new technology.

There has been plenty of that for years there now.

Fuck all people have heat pumps in the UK.

Because gas makes more sense.

> Most heat with gas, nobody really needs AC,

A few with weird medical conditions do.

Yeah, yeah, they should just top themselves, much cheaper.

those without mains gas have their own propane tank or use resistive
electric heating.

And pay a lot more with resistive electric heating.

The tories are planning on banning gas boilers installed in new homes
soon,

Bet that doesn't happen.

It shouldn't happen, gas is very cheap here compared to electricity.
And
at the same time the tories are allowing the building of gas power
stations and fracking (which I have nothing against). So do they want
the
gas to be used or not?

The want it to be used less to heat houses so more can be
used to generate electricity now that they have been stupid
enough to shut down all the coal fired power generation
and have been much too slow building nukes.

How insane, taking one fuel and converting it to another and wasting half
of it in the process.

They don't convert it or waste it.

but I didn't think that had taken effect yet. They look quite fancy,
piping going into several parts of the house, presumably to
individually
heat or cool rooms.

And don't come cheap and arent cheap to run.

I'm going to get one at some point, they start at Ł400. Similar price
to
a gas boiler. And they cost about the same to run as a gas boiler, plus
they can go in reverse and be an AC unit.

That soggy little frigid island hardly ever needs AC.

Correct, but for a month or two I'd like it. It can get to about 27C in
my house for those two months and I don't like over 22.

Mad with that 22C

I also saw illogical paving slabs, which I've seen elsewhere before:
like this cheap shit:
http://northwalesblockpaving.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/IMG_1912.jpg

Yeah, pretty fucked with the strip of gravel between it
and the wall

Yeah that is weird.

and the bit that projects into the grass.

I assume that's to put some chairs on.

Too small for that.

Two chairs then.

Too small for that too.

But my point is not on that photo.

Yeah, wondered about that.

I couldn't find an example of the weird shit I saw.

The ones I saw, some had been cut diagonally across, I can't see the
point
in that unless the whole square needs to bend over a curve in the land,
which it wasn't.

But for no reason, some of them were sliced diagonally across, making
two
triangular slabs. I could understand that if there was a start of a
slope, so the slabs needed to "bend", but there wasn't.

Also noticed what I think is some silly legislation - every front door
was
accessible without going up steps. Are 100% of house buyers now
disabled
or something?

Just stupid pollys if it is legislation that says that.

It's happening all over the UK, we're spending billions catering for 1%
of
the population.

Yep, your pollys are the stupid. Cant even manage to
do a brexit in 3 fucking years. God knows how you lot
ever managed an empire, most likely by not letting
your dregs or women vote.

Amazing we can't leave something instantly.

Basically because your stupid pollys don't want a hard no deal brexit.

> It should have taken no more than a month.

True.

 

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....and nothing's left!

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[Colonel Edmund J. Burke]

On 6/6/2019 1:37 PM, assworm wrote:

On 2019-06-06 1:35 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental shit, like solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc.  But why do they have only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?

"how many did the costumer buy?" asked the village idiot.

 

[Daniel60]

rbowman wrote on 9/06/2019 11:38 PM:

On 6/9/2019 3:01 AM, Daniel60 wrote:

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight levels, my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the day) was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the panel costs in
about 17.5 years.

Assuming the output of the panels doesn't drop too drastically.
Depending on the panel you might be down to 80% by then.

Yeap .... maybe .... maybe better than that, too!

--
Daniel

 

[Daniel60]

Commander Kinsey wrote on 10/06/2019 12:50 AM:

On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:01:28 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 8/06/2019 4:04 AM:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

Snip

You know this for every supplier in the world?

Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make real money
instead of stealing it from the taxpayer.  But in most places, solar
panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a couple of AA
batteries.

No farm, just a normal 3 bedroom house with 20 solar panels that I
installed about two years ago costing about $4,500.00.

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight levels, my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the day) was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the panel costs in
about 17.5 years.

O.K., I'd have not earned interest on that $4,500 for that time, but,
then again, I'd have been getting 'free' daylight power myself for that
time!!

Taking into account the greater quantity of power I will(/have) be
generating during Summer, that pay-back time would be reduced (to,
maybe, 10 years'ish!!).

Just saying!!

I wouldn't buy something that took 10 years to break even.  Ever heard
of an ISA?

No!

--
Daniel

 

[Daniel60]

Frank wrote on 10/06/2019 12:58 AM:

On 6/9/2019 10:50 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:01:28 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 8/06/2019 4:04 AM:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

Snip

You know this for every supplier in the world?

Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make real money
instead of stealing it from the taxpayer.  But in most places, solar
panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a couple of AA
batteries.

No farm, just a normal 3 bedroom house with 20 solar panels that I
installed about two years ago costing about $4,500.00.

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight levels, my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the day) was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the panel costs in
about 17.5 years.

O.K., I'd have not earned interest on that $4,500 for that time, but,
then again, I'd have been getting 'free' daylight power myself for that
time!!

Taking into account the greater quantity of power I will(/have) be
generating during Summer, that pay-back time would be reduced (to,
maybe, 10 years'ish!!).

Just saying!!

I wouldn't buy something that took 10 years to break even.  Ever heard
of an ISA?
Beside you probably don't have 10 years left to live.

Funny you should mention that!!

Two years ago, my Cardiac Surgeon said after a bit of work I should be
good for twenty years ... so still got eighteen or so to go! ;-)

--
Daniel

 

[Daniel60]

Teresa Maynot wrote on 9/06/2019 8:21 PM:

On 6/9/19 5:28 AM, Daniel60 wrote:
Rod Speed wrote on 8/06/2019 4:35 AM:
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But the owner of the house with the panels on it may
well not be able to afford the double panel installation.

Fuck all cost compared to the whole house.

But with house prices so high now, most will be finding it
hard to find someone who will lend them what they need
to buy the house and so the optional stuff like a double sized
panel will be what doesn't make the cut to get the loan even
if it does make economic sense in the long term. I doubt that
the double sized panel would make economic sense in the
long term in scotland. Bet it would make more sense to
out that money into shares instead.

$500,000 - $1Million - and up for a house! $2,500 - $5,000 - and up
for Solar Panels!

Sure, that's going to be the deciding factor in buying a House!! ....
*NOT*

Please enlighten us where we can buy a useful solar panel system for
$2500 - $5000 or did you drop a zero?

https://www.eurosolar.com.au/ 22 x 275W panels for $3,791, so no, I
didn't drop a zero!

Bugger!! I paid about $4,500 for my 20 panel system just two years ago!!

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[Daniel60]

Rod Speed wrote on 10/06/2019 1:23 AM:

"Daniel60" <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote on 7/06/2019 9:09 AM:
"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message

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Surely you'll make at least roughly what you save by making your own
for what you use?

Nope, the electricity supplier doesn't pay you anything like what you
pay them for the electricity.

But I didn't spend $Millions of Dollars installing a string of poles
to get power from Yallourn to my place when the panels are not
producing power either!!

The only thing extra in your case is from the street cable to your house.

As it is, I'm guessing the Electricity Suppliers are paying me a heck
of a lot more for my excess power than it would cost them to produce
.... they pay me roughly the same (if not the exact same) as they
charge my next door neighbour to consume "their" power!!

That varys with the state. Only Victoria is that stupid anymore.

Hmm! If you want to call Victoria stupid, what about when they were
paying residents 60 cents (or something) for ever kW the people fed into
the system??

Two of my sisters got some of that!!

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[Tim Streater]

In article <qdl99r$j13$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel60
<daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

rbowman wrote on 9/06/2019 11:38 PM:
On 6/9/2019 3:01 AM, Daniel60 wrote:

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight levels, my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the day) was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the panel costs in
about 17.5 years.

Assuming the output of the panels doesn't drop too drastically.
Depending on the panel you might be down to 80% by then.

Yeap .... maybe .... maybe better than that, too!

How did all these dweebs from alt.shit newsgroups get in here?

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[Peeler]

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 19:53:25 +1000, Daniel60, "another" Australian, mentally
deficient, troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered:

No!

Was that really necessary, troll-feeding senile Ozzietard?

 

[Frank]

On 6/10/2019 5:56 AM, Daniel60 wrote:

Frank wrote on 10/06/2019 12:58 AM:
On 6/9/2019 10:50 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:01:28 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 8/06/2019 4:04 AM:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

Snip

You know this for every supplier in the world?

Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make real money
instead of stealing it from the taxpayer.  But in most places, solar
panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a couple of AA
batteries.

No farm, just a normal 3 bedroom house with 20 solar panels that I
installed about two years ago costing about $4,500.00.

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight levels, my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the day) was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the panel
costs in
about 17.5 years.

O.K., I'd have not earned interest on that $4,500 for that time, but,
then again, I'd have been getting 'free' daylight power myself for that
time!!

Taking into account the greater quantity of power I will(/have) be
generating during Summer, that pay-back time would be reduced (to,
maybe, 10 years'ish!!).

Just saying!!

I wouldn't buy something that took 10 years to break even.  Ever
heard of an ISA?
Beside you probably don't have 10 years left to live.

Funny you should mention that!!

Two years ago, my Cardiac Surgeon said after a bit of work I should be
good for twenty years ... so still got eighteen or so to go! ;-)

Besides this time frame for many of us elderly, I suspect the
Commander, if still around, will be confined to the funny farm.

 

[Xeno]

On 10/6/19 6:12 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 18:11:57 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
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On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:08:06 +0100, trader_4 <trader4@optonline.net
wrote:

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 5:53:05 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey
wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:48:40 +0100, Andy Burns
usenet@andyburns.uk
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Very little incentive to have any at all now that the
feed-in/bribery
tariff has ended.

That's what I would have thought, but these houses are only a
couple
of
years old.

FIT ended (for new installs) 31st March 2019.

I wasn't aware it was a different date for new installs.  I
tried to
get
some on my existing house 5 years ago and just missed it.

However, if the bribery had ended, why did they install any at
all?
Is
there some silly regulation saying they have to have a small
number?

And these houses would have been completed before 31st March 2019.

You don't even say where this is.  The rebates, tax incentives,
payments
for electric you generate, vary widely, state by state.

Sorry I thought you knew I lived in the UK.

I agree though that a small number doesn't make sense, assuming
it's
not
enough to cover the energy usage of the house.

Irrelevant, you can always make more and it just goes into the grid.

But when you are paid fuck all for what goes into the grid
it makes no sense to be paying a lot more for the panels.

It also makes no sense to have any at all.

Yep, in scotland with a new house it makes a lot
more sense to spend that on a better house.

Agreed.

Unless you're an unusual person who constantly consumes a small amount
of power,

Nothing unusual about being retired, not working or working from home
anymore.

Most retired folk live in better houses, these are small new builds.

But plenty do downsize in retirement.

A few poor folk do.  But I find most older folk in nice big houses.

And your consumption still won't be anything like related to the solar
generation.  Most of the time you will be buying or selling to the grid.

That's arguable with those I listed.

Everybody uses electricity unevenly.

you'll often be selling the 1kW to the grid anyway, as it's nearer
midday
when you get more sun, and that's when you're probably out.

Spotted something else there today: heat pumps!  Never seen one
installed
in the UK before.

Then you need to get out more.

No, the UK needs to adopt new technology.

There has been plenty of that for years there now.

Fuck all people have heat pumps in the UK.  Most heat with gas, nobody
really needs AC, those without mains gas have their own propane tank or
use resistive electric heating.

The tories are planning on banning gas boilers installed in new homes
soon,

Bet that doesn't happen.

It shouldn't happen, gas is very cheap here compared to electricity.
And
at the same time the tories are allowing the building of gas power
stations and fracking (which I have nothing against).  So do they
want the
gas to be used or not?

The want it to be used less to heat houses so more can be
used to generate electricity now that they have been stupid
enough to shut down all the coal fired power generation
and have been much too slow building nukes.

How insane, taking one fuel and converting it to another and wasting
half of it in the process.

but I didn't think that had taken effect yet.  They look quite fancy,
piping going into several parts of the house, presumably to
individually
heat or cool rooms.

And don't come cheap and arent cheap to run.

I'm going to get one at some point, they start at Ł400.  Similar
price to
a gas boiler.  And they cost about the same to run as a gas boiler, plus
they can go in reverse and be an AC unit.

That soggy little frigid island hardly ever needs AC.

Correct, but for a month or two I'd like it.  It can get to about 27C in
my house for those two months and I don't like over 22.

I also saw illogical paving slabs, which I've seen elsewhere before:
like this cheap shit:
http://northwalesblockpaving.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/IMG_1912.jpg


Yeah, pretty fucked with the strip of gravel between it
and the wall

Yeah that is weird.

and the bit that projects into the grass.

I assume that's to put some chairs on.

Too small for that.

Two chairs then.

But my point is not on that photo.

Yeah, wondered about that.

I couldn't find an example of the weird shit I saw.

The ones I saw, some had been cut diagonally across, I can't see the
point
in that unless the whole square needs to bend over a curve in the land,
which it wasn't.

But for no reason, some of them were sliced diagonally across, making
two
triangular slabs.  I could understand that if there was a start of a
slope, so the slabs needed to "bend", but there wasn't.

Also noticed what I think is some silly legislation - every front door
was
accessible without going up steps.  Are 100% of house buyers now
disabled
or something?

Just stupid pollys if it is legislation that says that.

It's happening all over the UK, we're spending billions catering for
1% of
the population.

Yep, your pollys are the stupid. Cant even manage to
do a brexit in 3 fucking years. God knows how you lot
ever managed an empire, most likely by not letting
your dregs or women vote.

Amazing we can't leave something instantly.  It should have taken no
more than a month.

Apparently you understand very little of the complexity involved.

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

 

[Peeler]

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 21:24:43 +1000, Xeno, another brain damaged,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered:

Amazing we can't leave something instantly.  It should have taken no
more than a month.

Apparently you understand very little of the complexity involved.

ONLY thing he "understands" is how to make you senile idiots feed him time
and again! Just look at the "success" of his latest idiotic thread! It WAS a
success for him exactly because of you senile assholes! <tsk>

 

[Sir Gregory Hall, Esq.]

On Sun, 9 Jun 2019 17:07:18 -0700, "Colonel Edmund J. Burke" <Your_Colonel@usa.com> wrote:

On 6/6/2019 1:37 PM, assworm wrote:
On 2019-06-06 1:35 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
I noticed some new houses being built, all with environmental shit, like solar panels, water reclamation from gutters etc.  But why do they have only 3 or 4 panels when the roof could hold about 12?

"how many did the costumer buy?" asked the village idiot.

PeeScent is rather the dullard, Sir! He, like many other fools,
often confuses rooftop solar water heaters with photovoltaics.

Idiots see four panels and assume (make an ass out of themselves)
they are looking at photovoltaics. Truth be known if one installs
enough photovoltaics to run the average house's total electricity
needs one needs a solar farm mounted on cleared land of at least
100 3-foot by 5-foot solar panels. Not to mention a giant bank
of storage batteries - about forty, 12-volt, deep cycle, flooded
or gel cell batteries PLUS a giant inverter producing a max of
about 10,000 watts.

Off the grid living as if one is ON the grid is wildly expensive.

--
Yours Truly, Sir Gregory

Nadegda and kensi Âť the twain are easily ignored
feminist bigots and America-hating, lying leftists.

 

[Rod Speed]

"Daniel60" <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote on 10/06/2019 1:23 AM:
"Daniel60" <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote on 7/06/2019 9:09 AM:
"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message

Snip

Surely you'll make at least roughly what you save by making your own
for what you use?

Nope, the electricity supplier doesn't pay you anything like what you
pay them for the electricity.

But I didn't spend $Millions of Dollars installing a string of poles to
get power from Yallourn to my place when the panels are not producing
power either!!

The only thing extra in your case is from the street cable to your house.

As it is, I'm guessing the Electricity Suppliers are paying me a heck of
a lot more for my excess power than it would cost them to produce ....
they pay me roughly the same (if not the exact same) as they charge my
next door neighbour to consume "their" power!!

That varys with the state. Only Victoria is that stupid anymore.

Hmm! If you want to call Victoria stupid, what about when they were paying
residents 60 cents (or something) for ever kW the people fed into the
system??

Yep, only Labor was ever that stupid. They're our socialists for the yanks.

And it was for every KW your system generated too, even if
you used it yourself, not just for what was fed into the grid.

> Two of my sisters got some of that!!

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 04:37:16 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


> Yep, only Labor was ever that stupid.

Let's get this right, once and for all: NOBODY could ever be as stupid as
you trolling senile arsehole who gets up every day between 1 and 4 am in
Australia, just to be able to continue with his trolling without too long a
break! <tsk>


--
Sqwertz to Rot Speed:
"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID: <ev1p6ml7ywd5$.dlg@sqwertz.com>

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 19:37:16 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

"Daniel60" <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote in message
news:qdla79$p2m$1@dont-email.me...
Rod Speed wrote on 10/06/2019 1:23 AM:
"Daniel60" <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote in message
news:qdik2p$dsg$1@dont-email.me...
Rod Speed wrote on 7/06/2019 9:09 AM:
"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message

Snip

Surely you'll make at least roughly what you save by making your own
for what you use?

Nope, the electricity supplier doesn't pay you anything like what you
pay them for the electricity.

But I didn't spend $Millions of Dollars installing a string of poles to
get power from Yallourn to my place when the panels are not producing
power either!!

The only thing extra in your case is from the street cable to your house.

As it is, I'm guessing the Electricity Suppliers are paying me a heck of
a lot more for my excess power than it would cost them to produce ....
they pay me roughly the same (if not the exact same) as they charge my
next door neighbour to consume "their" power!!

That varys with the state. Only Victoria is that stupid anymore.

Hmm! If you want to call Victoria stupid, what about when they were paying
residents 60 cents (or something) for ever kW the people fed into the
system??

Yep, only Labor was ever that stupid. They're our socialists for the yanks.

And it was for every KW your system generated too, even if
you used it yourself, not just for what was fed into the grid.

The UK was that stupid too, you got a second meter fitted to measure what you generated. The sensible thing would be to pay you for what you gave them, not what you used aswell!

 

[Rod Speed]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z26sa50bwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...

On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 19:37:16 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Daniel60" <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote in message
news:qdla79$p2m$1@dont-email.me...
Rod Speed wrote on 10/06/2019 1:23 AM:
"Daniel60" <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote in message
news:qdik2p$dsg$1@dont-email.me...
Rod Speed wrote on 7/06/2019 9:09 AM:
"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message

Snip

Surely you'll make at least roughly what you save by making your own
for what you use?

Nope, the electricity supplier doesn't pay you anything like what you
pay them for the electricity.

But I didn't spend $Millions of Dollars installing a string of poles
to
get power from Yallourn to my place when the panels are not producing
power either!!

The only thing extra in your case is from the street cable to your
house.

As it is, I'm guessing the Electricity Suppliers are paying me a heck
of
a lot more for my excess power than it would cost them to produce ....
they pay me roughly the same (if not the exact same) as they charge my
next door neighbour to consume "their" power!!

That varys with the state. Only Victoria is that stupid anymore.

Hmm! If you want to call Victoria stupid, what about when they were
paying
residents 60 cents (or something) for ever kW the people fed into the
system??

Yep, only Labor was ever that stupid. They're our socialists for the
yanks.

And it was for every KW your system generated too, even if
you used it yourself, not just for what was fed into the grid.

The UK was that stupid too, you got a second meter fitted to measure what
you generated. The sensible thing would be to pay you for what you gave
them, not what you used aswell!

Yeah, barking mad as only a Labor/Labour party can manage.