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[Rick C]

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 7:40:37 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

The US accounts for nearly half of the world's drug discovery, but even foreign drug companies can sell their products in the US at a higher price than permitted by countries with drug price controls. So, the US underwrites foreign drug research as well.

The US has a free market. Competition. Supply and demand. If you don't like the price you are free to shop it around... just not from outside the country. Wait, what? That's not really a free market, or is it?

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[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 10:40:37 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 6:22:07 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 4:53:09 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 10:58:11 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 4:33:49 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
The Canadian study put most of the extra cost into huge administrative expenses.

"If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see
what it costs when it's free." --P.J. O'Rourke, May 6, 1993

An unreliable prediction from a political satirist.

There is more truth than not in that: if you want to make anything expensive have the government do it. That is because government does not obey the laws of economics: if it costs more, they just tax you more (instead of going out of business).

So why does every other advanced industrial country have universal health care, most paid for by a very tightly regulated health insurance industry, and cheaper costs per head?

If US health care worked better than anybody else, it might make sense to have it cost half as much again per head as the French, German and Dutch systems (which are relatively expensive by world standards) but it isn't.

James Arthur brought up a bunch of bogus statistic during the anti-Obamacare campaign claiming that it did better, but they all got knocked down as the cheats involved were exposed.

One explanation is the we pay for most of your drugs that you get at a HUGE discount compared to what we pay. That NEEDS to change.

Sure. The US pharmacy lobby managed to get a no-haggling clause written into some legislation or other. That is purely a US problem.

The drugs are developed and manufactured all around the world, and most drug distributions sets-ups haggle vigorously to get them from the cheapest reliable manufacturer. What I take keeps on coming from different manufacturers in different countries. Australia has a couple of big pharmaceutical manufacturers, but we import a lot of stuff too.

The US accounts for nearly half of the world's drug discovery, but even foreign drug companies can sell their products in the US at a higher price than permitted by countries with drug price controls. So, the US underwrites foreign drug research as well.

But it's consequence of the US being silly about it's drug buying policy. If you chose to be stupid, you can't complain about the consequences of that stupidity.

You do seem to be too stupid to realise this.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Flyguy]

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 10:24:16 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 10:40:37 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 6:22:07 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 4:53:09 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 10:58:11 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 4:33:49 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
The Canadian study put most of the extra cost into huge administrative expenses.

"If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see
what it costs when it's free." --P.J. O'Rourke, May 6, 1993

An unreliable prediction from a political satirist.

There is more truth than not in that: if you want to make anything expensive have the government do it. That is because government does not obey the laws of economics: if it costs more, they just tax you more (instead of going out of business).

So why does every other advanced industrial country have universal health care, most paid for by a very tightly regulated health insurance industry, and cheaper costs per head?

If US health care worked better than anybody else, it might make sense to have it cost half as much again per head as the French, German and Dutch systems (which are relatively expensive by world standards) but it isn't.

James Arthur brought up a bunch of bogus statistic during the anti-Obamacare campaign claiming that it did better, but they all got knocked down as the cheats involved were exposed.

One explanation is the we pay for most of your drugs that you get at a HUGE discount compared to what we pay. That NEEDS to change.

Sure. The US pharmacy lobby managed to get a no-haggling clause written into some legislation or other. That is purely a US problem.

The drugs are developed and manufactured all around the world, and most drug distributions sets-ups haggle vigorously to get them from the cheapest reliable manufacturer. What I take keeps on coming from different manufacturers in different countries. Australia has a couple of big pharmaceutical manufacturers, but we import a lot of stuff too.

The US accounts for nearly half of the world's drug discovery, but even foreign drug companies can sell their products in the US at a higher price than permitted by countries with drug price controls. So, the US underwrites foreign drug research as well.

But it's consequence of the US being silly about it's drug buying policy. If you chose to be stupid, you can't complain about the consequences of that stupidity.

You do seem to be too stupid to realise this.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

"Stupid" seems to be your favorite word - I think you closely identify with it.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 2:23:11 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 10:24:16 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 10:40:37 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 6:22:07 AM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 4:53:09 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 10:58:11 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 4:33:49 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
The Canadian study put most of the extra cost into huge administrative expenses.

"If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see
what it costs when it's free." --P.J. O'Rourke, May 6, 1993

An unreliable prediction from a political satirist.

There is more truth than not in that: if you want to make anything expensive have the government do it. That is because government does not obey the laws of economics: if it costs more, they just tax you more (instead of going out of business).

So why does every other advanced industrial country have universal health care, most paid for by a very tightly regulated health insurance industry, and cheaper costs per head?

If US health care worked better than anybody else, it might make sense to have it cost half as much again per head as the French, German and Dutch systems (which are relatively expensive by world standards) but it isn't.

James Arthur brought up a bunch of bogus statistic during the anti-Obamacare campaign claiming that it did better, but they all got knocked down as the cheats involved were exposed.

One explanation is the we pay for most of your drugs that you get at a HUGE discount compared to what we pay. That NEEDS to change.

Sure. The US pharmacy lobby managed to get a no-haggling clause written into some legislation or other. That is purely a US problem.

The drugs are developed and manufactured all around the world, and most drug distributions sets-ups haggle vigorously to get them from the cheapest reliable manufacturer. What I take keeps on coming from different manufacturers in different countries. Australia has a couple of big pharmaceutical manufacturers, but we import a lot of stuff too.

The US accounts for nearly half of the world's drug discovery, but even foreign drug companies can sell their products in the US at a higher price than permitted by countries with drug price controls. So, the US underwrites foreign drug research as well.

But it's consequence of the US being silly about it's drug buying policy. If you chose to be stupid, you can't complain about the consequences of that stupidity.

You do seem to be too stupid to realise this.

"Stupid" seems to be your favorite word - I think you closely identify with it.

It's more that you hear it a lot, and are peculiarly sensitive to it, since it is used - perfectly correctly - to label pretty much everything that you post. Including this comment, of course.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney