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[Scott Lurndal]

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:

On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 19:08:02 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

If you buy a hundred bags of potato chips and weigh them on a precise
scale, which we did, none are below weight. And none are over by more
than about half a chip. Most are over by less than half the average
chip.

I don\'t know how they fill chip bags but I\'ve worked with vibratory
feeders in other contexts and they\'re pretty accurate.

They use multiple bins where the contents of several are combined
and dispensed into the bag after each of the bins are weighed.

There might be a dozen or more bins, each filled by volume to
perhaps a quarter or fifth of the required weight. The computer
weighs each bin and dumps the four or five which sum closest
to the required final weight.

 

[Scott Lurndal]

scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:
On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 19:08:02 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

If you buy a hundred bags of potato chips and weigh them on a precise
scale, which we did, none are below weight. And none are over by more
than about half a chip. Most are over by less than half the average
chip.

I don\'t know how they fill chip bags but I\'ve worked with vibratory
feeders in other contexts and they\'re pretty accurate.

They use multiple bins where the contents of several are combined
and dispensed into the bag after each of the bins are weighed.

There might be a dozen or more bins, each filled by volume to
perhaps a quarter or fifth of the required weight. The computer
weighs each bin and dumps the four or five which sum closest
to the required final weight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multihead_weigher

 

[Peeler]

On 26 Jul 2023 14:52:02 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

You\'d whine just as much if they raised the price and kept the contents
the same.

Do I get to whine if they reduce the contents and raise the price
simultaneously?

I suppose what really gets you to whine is when you can\'t talk about
yourself to everyone anymore, you self-infatuated bigmouth. LOL

--
More of the resident bigmouth\'s usual idiotic babble and gossip:
I\'m not saying my father and uncle wouldn\'t have drank Genesee beer
without Miss Genny but it certainly didn\'t hurt. Stanton\'s was the
hometown brewery but it closed in \'50. There was a Schaefer brewery in
Albany but their product was considered a step up from cat piss.

My preference was Rheingold on tap\"

MID: <k9mnmmF9emhU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On 26 Jul 2023 14:50:37 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

I don\'t know how they fill chip bags but I\'ve worked with vibratory
feeders in other contexts and they\'re pretty accurate.

Those \"other contexts\" can\'t have been too impressive or you would have
started bragging about it already. <VBG>

--
Gossiping \"lowbrowwoman\" about herself:
\"Usenet is my blog... I don\'t give a damn if anyone ever reads my posts
but they are useful in marshaling [sic] my thoughts.\"
MID: <iteioiF60jmU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Jim Joyce]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 15:25:24 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:

scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:
On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 19:08:02 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

If you buy a hundred bags of potato chips and weigh them on a precise
scale, which we did, none are below weight. And none are over by more
than about half a chip. Most are over by less than half the average
chip.

I don\'t know how they fill chip bags but I\'ve worked with vibratory
feeders in other contexts and they\'re pretty accurate.

They use multiple bins where the contents of several are combined
and dispensed into the bag after each of the bins are weighed.

There might be a dozen or more bins, each filled by volume to
perhaps a quarter or fifth of the required weight. The computer
weighs each bin and dumps the four or five which sum closest
to the required final weight.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multihead_weigher

There is/was a series on Science channel called How It\'s Made and they showed
what you described above on one of the episodes.

 

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-07-26, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 08:23:36 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

I\'d rather they fixed the damned roads. There\'s a lot of that going on
this summer, thanks to the infrastructure act.

\'Fixing\' roads around here is a mixed blessing. They\'re big on chip seal.
A few years back they widened and asphalted the road I live on. Either
there is some sort of invisible jurisdictional boundary or they ran out of
material and stopped a 1/4 short of where I live, leaving the 30 year old
potholes. I have seen the county patch the potholes, generally when its
well below freezing and the hot patch has zero chance of sticking.

Our politicians of both parties are very good at sucking the juice out of
Federal funding. I\'ve bitched about the two new rotaries I have to
navigate to get to town; I think they\'re part of the fruit.

Let\'s see, what projects are inconveniencing me this summer...

I live near the confluence of I-94 and US-23.

It\'s done now, but they scraped about 1/4 mile of surface-road
pavement near I-94 down to dirt and put it all back. Previously,
it was as if it had been carpet-bombed.

The bridge over US-23 is being widened. They\'re adding two ramps
(so you don\'t have to turn left to get onto the freeway). They\'re
widening several miles of US-23 to make merging easier.

My mother lives near I-75 just north of Detroit. That\'s been
enjoying a multi-year rebuild and restructure of ramps (not all
of which can be credited to Joe Biden). Same thing for I-94 in Detroit.

Considerably more elaborate than chip-and-seal (which they did
to my road a couple of years ago).

--
Cindy Hamilton

 

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-07-26, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 08:24:38 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

You\'d whine just as much if they raised the price and kept the contents
the same.

Do I get to whine if they reduce the contents and raise the price
simultaneously?

Twice as loudly. I can hear it from here.

--
Cindy Hamilton

 

[Gerhard Hoffmann]

Am 26.07.23 um 19:43 schrieb Jim Joyce:

If you buy a hundred bags of potato chips and weigh them on a precise
scale, which we did, none are below weight. And none are over by more
than about half a chip. Most are over by less than half the average
chip.

I don\'t know how they fill chip bags but I\'ve worked with vibratory
feeders in other contexts and they\'re pretty accurate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multihead_weigher

There is/was a series on Science channel called How It\'s Made and they showed
what you described above on one of the episodes.

Back when I was a student during the X86 vs 68K wars, Reemtsma had a
full blown VAX11-780 in their Berlin fab for quality
control (weight etc) of their cigarettes, I was told by a
friend.
How we were jealous!

Gerhard

 

[Scott Lurndal]

Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> writes:

On 2023-07-26, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 08:23:36 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

I\'d rather they fixed the damned roads. There\'s a lot of that going on
this summer, thanks to the infrastructure act.

\'Fixing\' roads around here is a mixed blessing. They\'re big on chip seal.
A few years back they widened and asphalted the road I live on. Either
there is some sort of invisible jurisdictional boundary or they ran out of
material and stopped a 1/4 short of where I live, leaving the 30 year old
potholes. I have seen the county patch the potholes, generally when its
well below freezing and the hot patch has zero chance of sticking.

Our politicians of both parties are very good at sucking the juice out of
Federal funding. I\'ve bitched about the two new rotaries I have to
navigate to get to town; I think they\'re part of the fruit.

Let\'s see, what projects are inconveniencing me this summer...

I live near the confluence of I-94 and US-23.

It\'s done now, but they scraped about 1/4 mile of surface-road
pavement near I-94 down to dirt and put it all back. Previously,
it was as if it had been carpet-bombed.

The bridge over US-23 is being widened. They\'re adding two ramps
(so you don\'t have to turn left to get onto the freeway). They\'re
widening several miles of US-23 to make merging easier.

My mother lives near I-75 just north of Detroit. That\'s been
enjoying a multi-year rebuild and restructure of ramps (not all
of which can be credited to Joe Biden). Same thing for I-94 in Detroit.

Considerably more elaborate than chip-and-seal (which they did
to my road a couple of years ago).

California voted to increase the gas tax about four years
ago - with the proceeds 100% dedicated to road repair.

Since then pretty much all the major and minor county roads
have been resurfaced or patched and chip-sealed, depending
on condition. It had been over thirty years since many
of them had been resurfaced. On one county road, an
alternate commute route parallel to a freeway, there
are three accident-prone single-lane bridges - two of them
are currently being replaced, the third next year (all three
are 91 years old).

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 15:25:24 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> writes:
On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 19:08:02 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

If you buy a hundred bags of potato chips and weigh them on a precise
scale, which we did, none are below weight. And none are over by more
than about half a chip. Most are over by less than half the average
chip.

I don\'t know how they fill chip bags but I\'ve worked with vibratory
feeders in other contexts and they\'re pretty accurate.

They use multiple bins where the contents of several are combined
and dispensed into the bag after each of the bins are weighed.

There might be a dozen or more bins, each filled by volume to
perhaps a quarter or fifth of the required weight. The computer
weighs each bin and dumps the four or five which sum closest
to the required final weight.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multihead_weigher

It\'s also called a partial-product weighing machine. I almost
instrumented one for Continental Biscuit, a big contract baking
company.

After the bags are filled and sealed, they run along an instrumented
conveyer belt, the check weigher, to make sure none are underweight.
Few are.

 

[rbowman]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 18:12:58 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

It\'s done now, but they scraped about 1/4 mile of surface-road pavement
near I-94 down to dirt and put it all back. Previously,
it was as if it had been carpet-bombed.

I haven\'t been west on I-90 this year but I went over to Butte a couple of
weeks ago and there were only a couple of stretches under construction.
The bridges are well past their life expectancy and are the usual project.
There isn\'t all that much traffic so you don\'t get the horrendous backups
when it goes down to one lane.

I\'ve got a geocache called \'The Million Dollar Bridge\'. When they were
building it there was a large sign explaining the project and the funding
which was slightly over a million.

The bridge in question is on a dirt road

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Deschamps+Ln,+Montana+59808/
@46.9335129,-114.154182,16z/

https://tinyurl.com/2p8xtbx3

and crosses an irrigation ditch that\'s about 10\' wide. You don\'t get much
for a million anymore.

The bridge downtown rehab was supposed to cost 17 million but that was
before the crew removing the old deck cut the beams for the new deck by
mistake.

https://nbcmontana.com/news/local/more-inspections-needed-for-beartracks-
bridge

At least it\'s finished. I think. Nobody is talking about the final tab.

 

[Peeler]

On 27 Jul 2023 04:58:24 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

I haven\'t been west on I-90 this year but I went over to Butte a couple of
weeks ago and there were only a couple of stretches under construction.
The bridges are well past their life expectancy and are the usual project.
There isn\'t all that much traffic so you don\'t get the horrendous backups
when it goes down to one lane.

I\'ve got a geocache called \'The Million Dollar Bridge\'.

I almost got a headache again, reading yet more of your abnormal
self-important blather, blabbermouth. LOL

<FLUSH rest of the usual wordy crap unread again>

--
Yet more of the abnormal senile gossiping by the resident senile gossip:
\"I never understood how they made a living but the space where the local
party store was is now up for lease. It probably was more than helium. I
often walk over the the adjacent market to get something for dinner and
people stuffing balloons in their cars was a common sight. No more. I\'ve
no idea if there is another store in town.\"
MID: <kafs2nF6vi1U15@mid.individual.net>

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 27 May 2023 22:24:44 +0100, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-05-27, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 27/05/2023 16:50, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-05-27, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

We never had food rationing.

During WWII we did. Our rationing ended long before the UK\'s.

Do you mean when Americans only had 15 different kinds of ice cream
flavours?

Your point that our rationing wasn\'t as bad as your rationing is taken.
However, the U.S. had rationing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationing_in_the_United_States#World_War_II

Of course our food rationing wasn\'t as bad as yours, because we had
a lot more acreage under cultivation. And nobody was bombing it.

\"At the start of the Second World War in 1939, the United Kingdom was
importing 20 million long tons of food per year, including about 70% of
its cheese and sugar, almost 80% of fruit and about 70% of cereals and
fats. The UK also imported more than half of its meat and relied on
imported feed to support its domestic meat production.\"

You guys were in real trouble, no doubt about it.

We should have given in to Hitler, had less Jews to worry about, and ended up a more sensible race.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 27 May 2023 21:38:34 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 27 May 2023 15:50:11 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-05-27, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 12:34:18 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 12:18, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 11:52:06 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 10:33:22 +0100, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
Safeway is for bulk shopping, milk and paper towels. Their rotesserie
chickens are OK and make great broth.

For you, perhaps. Millions of people use it for all their groceries.

We like farmers\' markets for good stuff. And the Farm Box weekly
delivery.

Safeway tends to have good stuff for a while and then replace it with
a house brand. Try to find World\'s Best Mac and Cheese, which Safeway
used to have.

Unlikely. I don\'t like mac and cheese. Never have.

I never twigged what that was. Over here we call it \"macaroni and
cheese\" because that\'s what it is.

No we don\'t. We call it \"macaroni cheese\". entirely \"and\" free. Of
course it *isn\'t* just macaroni and cheese, there are other ingredients.

Americans are very keen on it, and you can buy a kit of parts to make
it. I don\'t know what they use for cheese, though.

Frozen is easy, and some brands are excellent.

https://beechershandmadecheese.com/products/worlds-best-mac-and-cheese

We say mac and cheese

I\'ve never said that in my life.

Well, people talk funny in remote uncivilized islands.


Always \'spaghetti cheese\' or \'macaroni
cheese\'
A staple food post war with rationing, when dairy and eggs and pasta
made of low grade wheat were UK produced products that you could
actually buy. Cheaply.

We never had food rationing.

During WWII we did. Our rationing ended long before the UK\'s.

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/rationing

Why do you suppose Victory Gardens came about?

This was a pretty good book:

https://www.amazon.com/Taste-War-World-Battle-Food/dp/0143123017

One of these days I\'ll re-read it. At the moment I\'m reading a
fantasy series about German vampire spies in WWII England.

I\'m a boomer

Why do people insist on these words for something more easily expressed with a number? Same goes for OS version on Macs and Android.

but my parents didn\'t mention rationing. I think they got
a lot of local stuff without much difficulty.

New cars were not available. I was born in an ancient 1936 Ford.

Because it wouldn\'t start?

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 2:25:35 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 07:02:37 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
C...@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 28 May 2023 18:00:13 +0100, John Larkin <jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 28 May 2023 11:55:19 +0100, Max Demian
max_d...@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 21:42, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 20:42:57 +0100, Max Demian
max_d...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 27/05/2023 16:50, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-05-27, John Larkin <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

<snip>

We call that \"ready salted\" in the UK. I\'m not aware of unsalted crisps. CRISPS. Chips are what yanks call fries. Is there no end to their ignorance?

I sentence you to eating British food for the rest of your life. That\'s cruel but just.

There is no such thing as British food. There may be English food, Welsh food and Scottish food - the Scottish wanker probably eats that.

There\'s nothing particularly cruel about sentencing him to eat that - he clearly doesn\'t know any better.

Forcing him to eat better would be cruel to the rest of us - he\'d probably live longer.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sun, 28 May 2023 07:19:11 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sat, 27 May 2023 21:02:57 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On 27 May 2023 22:39:13 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sat, 27 May 2023 08:17:46 -0700, John Larkin wrote:


Annie\'s also makes a decent basalmic salad dressing, for when you
don\'t feel like making it yourself. I add maple syrup and garlic
powder.

I\'ve got a bottle of balsamic vinegar. I use it straight up, no oil.

Annie\'s is, in my opinion, the best ketchup too.

It\'s not bad but it\'s pricey.

About 37 cents per ounce. Do what my friend does, steal packets of
ketchup from fast-food restaurants.

That would mean I would have to go to fast food restaurants.

And presumably buy fast food, you\'d look a bit odd walking in and clearing the tables of ketchup. So you haven\'t saved money after all.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 27 May 2023 22:31:24 +0100, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-05-27, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 27/05/2023 14:33, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-05-27, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:

I never twigged what that was. Over here we call it \"macaroni and
cheese\" because that\'s what it is.

No we don\'t. We call it \"macaroni cheese\". entirely \"and\" free. Of
course it *isn\'t* just macaroni and cheese, there are other ingredients.

Americans are very keen on it, and you can buy a kit of parts to make
it. I don\'t know what they use for cheese, though.

The kit comes with powdered \"cheese\". Actually a mixture of dried,
powdered cheese with other ultra-processed ingredients to make a
smooth sauce.

What about cauliflower cheese? Do you eat that?

I\'m not that fond of cheese.

You need psychiatric help immediately.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 27 May 2023 16:09:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 14:33, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-05-27, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 10:33:22 +0100, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
Safeway is for bulk shopping, milk and paper towels. Their rotesserie
chickens are OK and make great broth.

For you, perhaps. Millions of people use it for all their groceries.

We like farmers\' markets for good stuff. And the Farm Box weekly
delivery.

Safeway tends to have good stuff for a while and then replace it with
a house brand. Try to find World\'s Best Mac and Cheese, which Safeway
used to have.

Unlikely. I don\'t like mac and cheese. Never have.

I never twigged what that was. Over here we call it \"macaroni and
cheese\" because that\'s what it is.

No we don\'t. We call it \"macaroni cheese\". entirely \"and\" free. Of
course it *isn\'t* just macaroni and cheese, there are other ingredients.

Americans are very keen on it, and you can buy a kit of parts to make
it. I don\'t know what they use for cheese, though.

The kit comes with powdered \"cheese\". Actually a mixture of dried,
powdered cheese with other ultra-processed ingredients to make a
smooth sauce.

How typically \'American\'

I buy this in the UK:
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/303671703
It tastes better than home made stuff I\'ve eaten anywhere.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Mon, 29 May 2023 12:38:19 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 29/05/2023 03:59, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 20:15:13 +0100, Max Demian wrote:

Apparently this isn\'t true, at least not as the story is usually told:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/something-eggstra/

That all depends on how much you credit Sharpiro\'s 2004 book and
Mickkleson apparently does. I\'ll go with Dichter\'s original theory.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? is a valid question when it comes to the
opinions expressed by snopes.

Yes, Snopes is essentially a debunking site. The story they present may
not be true, but the original version may be largely correct. Stories
are changed with constant retelling, for example by changing the location.

Sometimes the made up story is more sensible than reality.
And why should we take reality as the truth?
\"Do not adjust your mind, the fault is with reality\".
The universe can go wrong just like any other mechanical device. How many times have you seen inanimate objects do the impossible?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 27 May 2023 20:48:44 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 16:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 27/05/2023 16:22, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 16:09:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 27/05/2023 14:33, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-05-27, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:

I never twigged what that was. Over here we call it \"macaroni and
cheese\" because that\'s what it is.

No we don\'t. We call it \"macaroni cheese\". entirely \"and\" free. Of
course it *isn\'t* just macaroni and cheese, there are other
ingredients.

Americans are very keen on it, and you can buy a kit of parts to make
it. I don\'t know what they use for cheese, though.

The kit comes with powdered \"cheese\". Actually a mixture of dried,
powdered cheese with other ultra-processed ingredients to make a
smooth sauce.

How typically \'American\'

Not typically, it\'s just that we have a lot of options. Kids like this
sort of thing.

No, I mean having it in \'kit\' form.
I can buy ready to microwave macaroni cheese which isn\'t bad, but a kit?

In the UK, you can buy macaroni cheese in cans or plastic trays to heat.
But you have to add the topping (grated cheese plus packet breadcrumbs)
before you put it in a conventional oven (or under a grill).

Mine comes in one packet. Pour into dish, add water, heat. You can do that in any heating device: oven/pan/microwave. I use a microwave, so I can just eat it form the same container it was cooked in.
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/303671703