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[Phil Hobbs]

On 2023-05-27 06:52, Max Demian wrote:

On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 10:33:22 +0100, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
Safeway is for bulk shopping, milk and paper towels. Their rotesserie
chickens are OK and make great broth.

For you, perhaps.  Millions of people use it for all their groceries.

We like farmers\' markets for good stuff. And the Farm Box weekly
delivery.

Safeway tends to have good stuff for a while and then replace it with
a house brand. Try to find World\'s Best Mac and Cheese, which Safeway
used to have.

Unlikely.  I don\'t like mac and cheese.  Never have.

I never twigged what that was.  Over here we call it \"macaroni and
cheese\" because that\'s what it is.

No we don\'t. We call it \"macaroni cheese\". entirely \"and\" free. Of
course it *isn\'t* just macaroni and cheese, there are other ingredients.

Americans are very keen on it, and you can buy a kit of parts to make
it. I don\'t know what they use for cheese, though.

It\'s the toasted buttered breadcrumbs on top that make it, plus the
caramelized Cheddar + jack cheese on the bottom.

Best eaten with a generous amount of Worcester sauce and a small amount
of ketchup.(*)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

(*) Bewildered Frenchman: \"It\'s a sort of tomato sauce that Americans
put on everything!\"

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 27 May 2023 15:57:39 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-05-27, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

Annie\'s is better than starvation. Kraft is not.

I\'ll have to take your word for that. I don\'t even care much for
mac and cheese made from scratch. Too soft. Too gooey. Too
heavy.

Annie\'s also makes a decent basalmic salad dressing, for when you
don\'t feel like making it yourself. I add maple syrup and garlic
powder.

I never don\'t feel like making it myself. The lowest I\'ll stoop
is making ranch from yogurt, mayo, and Hidden Valley mix. Other
than that, there\'s no commercial salad dressing in my house.

Me neither, but Mo makes a fabulous dressing. She mixes it up in the
bottom of a big bowl and then throws the greens in.

Mayo brings us to the edge of divorce. She literally can\'t stand the
sight of it, so I hide the bottle behind the toaster when I use it.

I have two daughters. One loves mayo and one detests it. It must be a
single gene.

I prefer making ranch from scratch, but that\'s actual work. Also,
it depends on having buttermilk in the house; buttermilk is not
a stock item, since I\'m from the North. I buy some when I feel
like making ranch or creamy garlic.

The only dressing to which I add sugar (just a pinch) is sherry
vinaigrette. For some reason, sherry vinegar is more powerful
than other vinegars.

Try a bit of maple syrup. It balances the vinegar. I like that, but
I\'m biased towards sweet.

I have a rotation of half a dozen or so vinegars (plus lemons and
limes) and a couple of oils that combine to form a pleasing variety
of salad dressings. I have a salad for dinner (usually with some
lean protein on top) nearly every night.

Annie\'s is, in my opinion, the best ketchup too.

My husband allows only Heinz in the house. Since I don\'t use
ketchup (except as a base for barbecue sauce), I buy what he likes.

Heinz/Kerry has weird seasonings, to me. Del Monte is OK. I make New
Orleans style cocktail sauce to jazz it up; ketchup, lots of
horseradish, lemon juice, salt, tabasco. We grow Meyer lemons in the
back yard.

Oh, we were out in the Sunset neighborhood and accidentally found
bialis!

https://arizmendibakery.com/

There was a big fad for co-op businesses here, in the 70s mostly, and
few survived. They spent all their time debating and cooking bad food.

Craig, of Craigslist, started his web site on the same block. He used
to get lunch on 9th ave and pontificate in a loud voice.

 

[Ed P]

On 5/27/2023 11:10 AM, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 27 May 2023 12:34:18 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 12:18, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 11:52:06 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 10:33:22 +0100, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
Safeway is for bulk shopping, milk and paper towels. Their rotesserie
chickens are OK and make great broth.

For you, perhaps.  Millions of people use it for all their groceries.

We like farmers\' markets for good stuff. And the Farm Box weekly
delivery.

Safeway tends to have good stuff for a while and then replace it with
a house brand. Try to find World\'s Best Mac and Cheese, which Safeway
used to have.

Unlikely.  I don\'t like mac and cheese.  Never have.

I never twigged what that was.  Over here we call it \"macaroni and
cheese\" because that\'s what it is.

No we don\'t. We call it \"macaroni cheese\". entirely \"and\" free. Of
course it *isn\'t* just macaroni and cheese, there are other ingredients.

Americans are very keen on it, and you can buy a kit of parts to make
it. I don\'t know what they use for cheese, though.

Frozen is easy, and some brands are excellent.

https://beechershandmadecheese.com/products/worlds-best-mac-and-cheese

We say mac and cheese

I\'ve never said that in my life.

Well, people talk funny in remote uncivilized islands.


Always \'spaghetti cheese\' or \'macaroni
cheese\'
A staple food post war with rationing, when dairy and eggs and pasta
made of low grade wheat were UK produced products that you could
actually buy. Cheaply.

We never had food rationing.

The government began rationing certain foods in May 1942, starting with
sugar. Coffee was added to the list that November, followed by meats,
fats, canned fish, cheese, and canned milk the following March.

Are you in England? I wonder why England can\'t grow enough food to
feed itself. The population density isn\'t extreme.

One reason is they like to eat things they cannot grow. It is not just
population density it is climate and soil.


When was the last time Britain fed itself?
Probably the early 19th century. Though it raises the question: where’s
the boundary? The British Isles? Europe? Scotland wouldn’t do well
alone, because most of the UK’s arable land is in the south.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 27 May 2023 16:39:03 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 16:10, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 12:34:18 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 12:18, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 11:52:06 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 10:33:22 +0100, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
Safeway is for bulk shopping, milk and paper towels. Their rotesserie
chickens are OK and make great broth.

For you, perhaps.  Millions of people use it for all their groceries.

We like farmers\' markets for good stuff. And the Farm Box weekly
delivery.

Safeway tends to have good stuff for a while and then replace it with
a house brand. Try to find World\'s Best Mac and Cheese, which Safeway
used to have.

Unlikely.  I don\'t like mac and cheese.  Never have.

I never twigged what that was.  Over here we call it \"macaroni and
cheese\" because that\'s what it is.

No we don\'t. We call it \"macaroni cheese\". entirely \"and\" free. Of
course it *isn\'t* just macaroni and cheese, there are other ingredients.

Americans are very keen on it, and you can buy a kit of parts to make
it. I don\'t know what they use for cheese, though.

Frozen is easy, and some brands are excellent.

https://beechershandmadecheese.com/products/worlds-best-mac-and-cheese

We say mac and cheese

I\'ve never said that in my life.

Well, people talk funny in remote uncivilized islands.


Always \'spaghetti cheese\' or \'macaroni
cheese\'
A staple food post war with rationing, when dairy and eggs and pasta
made of low grade wheat were UK produced products that you could
actually buy. Cheaply.

We never had food rationing.

Are you in England? I wonder why England can\'t grow enough food to
feed itself. The population density isn\'t extreme.

The population density of the bits suitable for agricultural activity is
extreme.
Nearly all of Scotland, half of Wales and a fair bit of England is
barely upland grazing suitable.

The efficiency of the actual farms is massive in terms of yield per
acre. But the government keeps importing cheap labour that doesn\'t want
to work, so the population is now completely out of control

During the war every scrap of land including grazing land for cattle and
sheep, was turned over to grow food, hence the meat shortage. Pigs could
be fed on scraps and chickens could eat insects, so they were in
reasonable supply.


Along with fish.

What sort of fish do you get?

In those days it was North Atlantic halibut, haddock, cod and herring,
also mackerel. That was when we had a national area to fish in before
the EU let any man and his dog fish them to extinction.
Coastal species like bream, sole, turbot and plaice were available, but
expensive.

We were importing sheep from Australia and New Zealand and Beef from
Argentina, fruit from South Africa, and bananas from the Caribbean.
Until we joined the EU of course. No longer allowed.

Nowadays seafood and fruits can be flown all over the world. When I
was a kid in New Orleans, we would eat shrimp and oysters and redfish
because hamburger was too expensive. Now all that seafood is exported
and is expensive.

When Paul Prudhomme invented Blackened Redfish, it almost destroyed
the species.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 27 May 2023 12:27:22 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2023-05-27 06:52, Max Demian wrote:
On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 10:33:22 +0100, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
Safeway is for bulk shopping, milk and paper towels. Their rotesserie
chickens are OK and make great broth.

For you, perhaps.  Millions of people use it for all their groceries.

We like farmers\' markets for good stuff. And the Farm Box weekly
delivery.

Safeway tends to have good stuff for a while and then replace it with
a house brand. Try to find World\'s Best Mac and Cheese, which Safeway
used to have.

Unlikely.  I don\'t like mac and cheese.  Never have.

I never twigged what that was.  Over here we call it \"macaroni and
cheese\" because that\'s what it is.

No we don\'t. We call it \"macaroni cheese\". entirely \"and\" free. Of
course it *isn\'t* just macaroni and cheese, there are other ingredients.

Americans are very keen on it, and you can buy a kit of parts to make
it. I don\'t know what they use for cheese, though.


It\'s the toasted buttered breadcrumbs on top that make it, plus the
caramelized Cheddar + jack cheese on the bottom.

Best eaten with a generous amount of Worcester sauce and a small amount
of ketchup.(*)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

(*) Bewildered Frenchman: \"It\'s a sort of tomato sauce that Americans
put on everything!\"

They call it compot de tomat or something frenchy like that.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 27 May 2023 12:22:48 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2023-05-27 11:12, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 13:31:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-05-27, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 16:31:48 +0100, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
On 4/23/2023 10:22 AM, John Larkin wrote:

Not me. I don\'t like heavy, acidic flavors. I am biased towards sweet,
creamy, smooth. Mo is Italian and makes heavy red sauces that she
simmers down for hours. My fix is to dilute them about 3:1 with heavy
cream and add cheeses and garlic and tweak the spices, a light orange
color when it\'s edible.

My wife used to make a good sauce but it never seemed overly acidic.

Do our mouths have litmus paper?

No, because we\'d need eyes in our mouths to see the colour change.

We can detect acids, though. I\'m not sure whether we can distinguish
them from alkalis, though. I\'ll have to try licking some caustic soda.

Acids are sour. Bases are bitter.

The thing that separates sentient human civilization from primitive
forms of life is the presence of tater tots.


You said it. Nothing higher than a slime mold will eat them.

(They taste just like Pringles, but don\'t get me started--bet I can\'t
diss just one.)


Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Mo\'s favorite meal, which I dutifully prepare to save our marriage, is
fried shrimp on Hawaiian buns with tater tots. Gotta admit it\'s pretty
good.

OreIda of course.

 

[Gerhard Hoffmann]

Am 27.05.23 um 17:39 schrieb The Natural Philosopher:

On 27/05/2023 16:10, John Larkin wrote:

Well, people talk funny in remote uncivilized islands.

Are you in England? I wonder why England can\'t grow enough food to
feed itself. The population density isn\'t extreme.

The population density of the bits suitable for agricultural activity is
extreme.
Nearly all of Scotland, half of Wales and a fair bit of England is
barely upland grazing suitable.

The Lords, Ladies and Gentlemen kicked out Scottish crofters to the USA
in ancient times because sheep generated revenue without asking for
their share and took care of themselves.

The efficiency of the actual farms is massive in terms of yield per
acre. But the government keeps importing cheap labour that doesn\'t want
to work, so the population is now completely out of control

It\'s more that it worked as long as the cheap workers from Poland, UA
e.a. were allowed to do the dirty jobs. Now that they are un-imported it
shows that the Lords, Ladies and Gentlemen
are unwilling to crawl through the fields or to drive trucks all day
long because it smells like real work.

In those days it was North Atlantic halibut, haddock, cod and herring,
also mackerel.  That was when we had a national area to fish in before
the EU let any man and his dog fish them to extinction.

More like the English fishings rights are long-term-owned by just a few
GB families and companies, and they sell where the money is, as much as
possible. And the French oyster banks in Normandy now have a chance to
recover. And the small fishermen in southern England start to sit on hot
coals, now that the EU subsidies are gone. It does not pay to bite the
feeding hand.

We were importing sheep from Australia and New Zealand and Beef from
Argentina, fruit from South Africa, and bananas from the Caribbean.
Until we joined the EU of course. No longer allowed.

No longer allowed? How does the EU hinder you? Just do it, if you can.
No one cares. And when there are no tomatoes in GB supermarkets, just
find some Lords to drive the trucks from Southern Spain to Dover or
wherever and bring them over your frontier before they are rotten.

BTW: I assume, the NHS is in stellar shape, now that the claimed 350
MPounds a week are invested there? You remember the red election tour
bus, don\'t you?

Gerhard

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 27/05/2023 17:35, Ed P wrote:

On 5/27/2023 11:10 AM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 12:34:18 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 12:18, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 11:52:06 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 10:33:22 +0100, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
Safeway is for bulk shopping, milk and paper towels. Their
rotesserie
chickens are OK and make great broth.

For you, perhaps.  Millions of people use it for all their
groceries.

We like farmers\' markets for good stuff. And the Farm Box weekly
delivery.

Safeway tends to have good stuff for a while and then replace it
with
a house brand. Try to find World\'s Best Mac and Cheese, which
Safeway
used to have.

Unlikely.  I don\'t like mac and cheese.  Never have.

I never twigged what that was.  Over here we call it \"macaroni and
cheese\" because that\'s what it is.

No we don\'t. We call it \"macaroni cheese\". entirely \"and\" free. Of
course it *isn\'t* just macaroni and cheese, there are other
ingredients.

Americans are very keen on it, and you can buy a kit of parts to make
it. I don\'t know what they use for cheese, though.

Frozen is easy, and some brands are excellent.

https://beechershandmadecheese.com/products/worlds-best-mac-and-cheese

We say  mac and cheese

I\'ve never said that in my life.

Well, people talk funny in remote uncivilized islands.


Always \'spaghetti cheese\' or \'macaroni
cheese\'
A staple food post war with rationing, when dairy and eggs and pasta
made of low grade wheat were UK produced products that you could
actually buy. Cheaply.

We never had food rationing.

The government began rationing certain foods in May 1942, starting with
sugar. Coffee was added to the list that November, followed by meats,
fats, canned fish, cheese, and canned milk the following March.



Are you in England? I wonder why England can\'t grow enough food to
feed itself. The population density isn\'t extreme.

One reason is they like to eat things they cannot grow.  It is not just
population density it is climate and soil.


When was the last time Britain fed itself?
Probably the early 19th century. Though it raises the question: where’s
the boundary? The British Isles? Europe? Scotland wouldn’t do well
alone, because most of the UK’s arable land is in the south.



We do not and cannot produce enough to eat the things we *don\'t* like.

--
“People believe certain stories because everyone important tells them,
and people tell those stories because everyone important believes them.
Indeed, when a conventional wisdom is at its fullest strength, one’s
agreement with that conventional wisdom becomes almost a litmus test of
one’s suitability to be taken seriously.”

Paul Krugman

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2023-05-27 13:09, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 27 May 2023 12:22:48 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2023-05-27 11:12, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 13:31:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-05-27, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 16:31:48 +0100, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
On 4/23/2023 10:22 AM, John Larkin wrote:

Not me. I don\'t like heavy, acidic flavors. I am biased towards sweet,
creamy, smooth. Mo is Italian and makes heavy red sauces that she
simmers down for hours. My fix is to dilute them about 3:1 with heavy
cream and add cheeses and garlic and tweak the spices, a light orange
color when it\'s edible.

My wife used to make a good sauce but it never seemed overly acidic.

Do our mouths have litmus paper?

No, because we\'d need eyes in our mouths to see the colour change.

We can detect acids, though. I\'m not sure whether we can distinguish
them from alkalis, though. I\'ll have to try licking some caustic soda.

Acids are sour. Bases are bitter.

The thing that separates sentient human civilization from primitive
forms of life is the presence of tater tots.


You said it. Nothing higher than a slime mold will eat them.

(They taste just like Pringles, but don\'t get me started--bet I can\'t
diss just one.)


Mo\'s favorite meal, which I dutifully prepare to save our marriage, is
fried shrimp on Hawaiian buns with tater tots. Gotta admit it\'s pretty
good.

OreIda of course.

Well, I suppose I can overlook that, given that she\'s such a splendid
person otherwise.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[Max Demian]

On 27/05/2023 16:50, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

On 2023-05-27, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

We never had food rationing.

During WWII we did. Our rationing ended long before the UK\'s.

Do you mean when Americans only had 15 different kinds of ice cream
flavours?

--
Max Demian

 

[Max Demian]

On 27/05/2023 16:29, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 27/05/2023 16:22, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 16:09:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 27/05/2023 14:33, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-05-27, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:

I never twigged what that was.  Over here we call it \"macaroni and
cheese\" because that\'s what it is.

No we don\'t. We call it \"macaroni cheese\". entirely \"and\" free. Of
course it *isn\'t* just macaroni and cheese, there are other
ingredients.

Americans are very keen on it, and you can buy a kit of parts to make
it. I don\'t know what they use for cheese, though.

The kit comes with powdered \"cheese\".  Actually a mixture of dried,
powdered cheese with other ultra-processed ingredients to make a
smooth sauce.

How typically \'American\'

Not typically, it\'s just that we have a lot of options. Kids like this
sort of thing.

No, I mean having it in \'kit\' form.
I can buy ready to microwave macaroni cheese which isn\'t bad, but a kit?

In the UK, you can buy macaroni cheese in cans or plastic trays to heat.
But you have to add the topping (grated cheese plus packet breadcrumbs)
before you put it in a conventional oven (or under a grill).

--
Max Demian

 

[Max Demian]

On 27/05/2023 14:33, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

On 2023-05-27, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:

I never twigged what that was.  Over here we call it \"macaroni and
cheese\" because that\'s what it is.

No we don\'t. We call it \"macaroni cheese\". entirely \"and\" free. Of
course it *isn\'t* just macaroni and cheese, there are other ingredients.

Americans are very keen on it, and you can buy a kit of parts to make
it. I don\'t know what they use for cheese, though.

The kit comes with powdered \"cheese\". Actually a mixture of dried,
powdered cheese with other ultra-processed ingredients to make a
smooth sauce.

What about cauliflower cheese? Do you eat that?

--
Max Demian

 

[Ian Jackson]

In message <u4t86n$f12p$7@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> writes

On 27/05/2023 16:10, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 12:34:18 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 12:18, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 11:52:06 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 10:33:22 +0100, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
Safeway is for bulk shopping, milk and paper towels. Their rotesserie
chickens are OK and make great broth.

For you, perhaps.  Millions of people use it for all their groceries.

We like farmers\' markets for good stuff. And the Farm Box weekly
delivery.

Safeway tends to have good stuff for a while and then replace it with
a house brand. Try to find World\'s Best Mac and Cheese, which Safeway
used to have.

Unlikely.  I don\'t like mac and cheese.  Never have.

I never twigged what that was.  Over here we call it \"macaroni and
cheese\" because that\'s what it is.

No we don\'t. We call it \"macaroni cheese\". entirely \"and\" free. Of
course it *isn\'t* just macaroni and cheese, there are other ingredients.

Americans are very keen on it, and you can buy a kit of parts to make
it. I don\'t know what they use for cheese, though.

Frozen is easy, and some brands are excellent.

https://beechershandmadecheese.com/products/worlds-best-mac-and-cheese

We say mac and cheese

I\'ve never said that in my life.
Well, people talk funny in remote uncivilized islands.

Always \'spaghetti cheese\' or \'macaroni
cheese\'
A staple food post war with rationing, when dairy and eggs and pasta
made of low grade wheat were UK produced products that you could
actually buy. Cheaply.
We never had food rationing.
Are you in England? I wonder why England can\'t grow enough food to
feed itself. The population density isn\'t extreme.

The population density of the bits suitable for agricultural activity
is extreme.
Nearly all of Scotland, half of Wales and a fair bit of England is
barely upland grazing suitable.

The efficiency of the actual farms is massive in terms of yield per
acre. But the government keeps importing cheap labour that doesn\'t want
to work, so the population is now completely out of control

During the war every scrap of land including grazing land for cattle
and sheep, was turned over to grow food, hence the meat shortage. Pigs
could be fed on scraps and chickens could eat insects, so they were in
reasonable supply.


Along with fish.
What sort of fish do you get?

In those days it was North Atlantic halibut, haddock, cod and herring,
also mackerel. That was when we had a national area to fish in before
the EU let any man and his dog fish them to extinction.
Coastal species like bream, sole, turbot and plaice were available, but
expensive.

We were importing sheep from Australia and New Zealand and Beef from
Argentina, fruit from South Africa, and bananas from the Caribbean.
Until we joined the EU of course. No longer allowed.

Not a question of being \'not allowed\', but one of various tariffs being
imposed on certain products that could be produced within the EU.
--
Ian
Aims and ambitions are neither attainments nor achievements

 

[Phil Hobbs]

Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:

In message <u4t86n$f12p$7@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
On 27/05/2023 16:10, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 12:34:18 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 12:18, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 11:52:06 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 10:33:22 +0100, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
Safeway is for bulk shopping, milk and paper towels. Their rotesserie
chickens are OK and make great broth.

For you, perhaps.  Millions of people use it for all their groceries.

We like farmers\' markets for good stuff. And the Farm Box weekly
delivery.

Safeway tends to have good stuff for a while and then replace it with
a house brand. Try to find World\'s Best Mac and Cheese, which Safeway
used to have.

Unlikely.  I don\'t like mac and cheese.  Never have.

I never twigged what that was.  Over here we call it \"macaroni and
cheese\" because that\'s what it is.

No we don\'t. We call it \"macaroni cheese\". entirely \"and\" free. Of
course it *isn\'t* just macaroni and cheese, there are other ingredients.

Americans are very keen on it, and you can buy a kit of parts to make
it. I don\'t know what they use for cheese, though.

Frozen is easy, and some brands are excellent.

https://beechershandmadecheese.com/products/worlds-best-mac-and-cheese

We say mac and cheese

I\'ve never said that in my life.
Well, people talk funny in remote uncivilized islands.

Always \'spaghetti cheese\' or \'macaroni
cheese\'
A staple food post war with rationing, when dairy and eggs and pasta
made of low grade wheat were UK produced products that you could
actually buy. Cheaply.
We never had food rationing.
Are you in England? I wonder why England can\'t grow enough food to
feed itself. The population density isn\'t extreme.

The population density of the bits suitable for agricultural activity
is extreme.
Nearly all of Scotland, half of Wales and a fair bit of England is
barely upland grazing suitable.

The efficiency of the actual farms is massive in terms of yield per
acre. But the government keeps importing cheap labour that doesn\'t want
to work, so the population is now completely out of control

During the war every scrap of land including grazing land for cattle
and sheep, was turned over to grow food, hence the meat shortage. Pigs
could be fed on scraps and chickens could eat insects, so they were in
reasonable supply.


Along with fish.
What sort of fish do you get?

In those days it was North Atlantic halibut, haddock, cod and herring,
also mackerel. That was when we had a national area to fish in before
the EU let any man and his dog fish them to extinction.
Coastal species like bream, sole, turbot and plaice were available, but
expensive.

We were importing sheep from Australia and New Zealand and Beef from
Argentina, fruit from South Africa, and bananas from the Caribbean.
Until we joined the EU of course. No longer allowed.

Not a question of being \'not allowed\', but one of various tariffs being
imposed on certain products that could be produced within the EU.

Wouldn’t want to harm the vulnerable German banana farming sector, after
all.

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC /
Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 27 May 2023 15:03:31 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2023-05-27 13:09, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 12:22:48 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2023-05-27 11:12, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 13:31:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-05-27, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 16:31:48 +0100, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
On 4/23/2023 10:22 AM, John Larkin wrote:

Not me. I don\'t like heavy, acidic flavors. I am biased towards sweet,
creamy, smooth. Mo is Italian and makes heavy red sauces that she
simmers down for hours. My fix is to dilute them about 3:1 with heavy
cream and add cheeses and garlic and tweak the spices, a light orange
color when it\'s edible.

My wife used to make a good sauce but it never seemed overly acidic.

Do our mouths have litmus paper?

No, because we\'d need eyes in our mouths to see the colour change.

We can detect acids, though. I\'m not sure whether we can distinguish
them from alkalis, though. I\'ll have to try licking some caustic soda.

Acids are sour. Bases are bitter.

The thing that separates sentient human civilization from primitive
forms of life is the presence of tater tots.


You said it. Nothing higher than a slime mold will eat them.

(They taste just like Pringles, but don\'t get me started--bet I can\'t
diss just one.)


Mo\'s favorite meal, which I dutifully prepare to save our marriage, is
fried shrimp on Hawaiian buns with tater tots. Gotta admit it\'s pretty
good.

OreIda of course.

Well, I suppose I can overlook that, given that she\'s such a splendid
person otherwise.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

We are really into Hawaiian buns lately. I make tiny teriyaki burger
sliders, and I make her teriyaki purple onion sliders.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 27 May 2023 15:50:11 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-05-27, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 12:34:18 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 12:18, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 11:52:06 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 10:33:22 +0100, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 21:10:07 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-04-22, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com
wrote:
Safeway is for bulk shopping, milk and paper towels. Their rotesserie
chickens are OK and make great broth.

For you, perhaps.  Millions of people use it for all their groceries.

We like farmers\' markets for good stuff. And the Farm Box weekly
delivery.

Safeway tends to have good stuff for a while and then replace it with
a house brand. Try to find World\'s Best Mac and Cheese, which Safeway
used to have.

Unlikely.  I don\'t like mac and cheese.  Never have.

I never twigged what that was.  Over here we call it \"macaroni and
cheese\" because that\'s what it is.

No we don\'t. We call it \"macaroni cheese\". entirely \"and\" free. Of
course it *isn\'t* just macaroni and cheese, there are other ingredients.

Americans are very keen on it, and you can buy a kit of parts to make
it. I don\'t know what they use for cheese, though.

Frozen is easy, and some brands are excellent.

https://beechershandmadecheese.com/products/worlds-best-mac-and-cheese

We say mac and cheese

I\'ve never said that in my life.

Well, people talk funny in remote uncivilized islands.


Always \'spaghetti cheese\' or \'macaroni
cheese\'
A staple food post war with rationing, when dairy and eggs and pasta
made of low grade wheat were UK produced products that you could
actually buy. Cheaply.

We never had food rationing.

During WWII we did. Our rationing ended long before the UK\'s.

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/rationing

Why do you suppose Victory Gardens came about?

This was a pretty good book:

https://www.amazon.com/Taste-War-World-Battle-Food/dp/0143123017

One of these days I\'ll re-read it. At the moment I\'m reading a
fantasy series about German vampire spies in WWII England.

I\'m a boomer but my parents didn\'t mention rationing. I think they got
a lot of local stuff without much difficulty.

New cars were not available. I was born in an ancient 1936 Ford.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 27 May 2023 20:42:57 +0100, Max Demian
<max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 27/05/2023 16:50, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-05-27, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

We never had food rationing.

During WWII we did. Our rationing ended long before the UK\'s.

Do you mean when Americans only had 15 different kinds of ice cream
flavours?

Dark days.

I was at Safeway last week and wanted to get some vanilla ice cream.
There wasn\'t any. There were about 20 weird flavors, mango and banana
and worse. I got dulce de leche, as close as they had.

Try to buy plain potato chips. They are hard to find.

 

[Ed P]

On 5/27/2023 4:29 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 27 May 2023 15:03:31 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2023-05-27 13:09, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 12:22:48 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2023-05-27 11:12, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 13:31:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-05-27, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 16:31:48 +0100, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
On 4/23/2023 10:22 AM, John Larkin wrote:

Not me. I don\'t like heavy, acidic flavors. I am biased towards sweet,
creamy, smooth. Mo is Italian and makes heavy red sauces that she
simmers down for hours. My fix is to dilute them about 3:1 with heavy
cream and add cheeses and garlic and tweak the spices, a light orange
color when it\'s edible.

My wife used to make a good sauce but it never seemed overly acidic.

Do our mouths have litmus paper?

No, because we\'d need eyes in our mouths to see the colour change.

We can detect acids, though. I\'m not sure whether we can distinguish
them from alkalis, though. I\'ll have to try licking some caustic soda.

Acids are sour. Bases are bitter.

The thing that separates sentient human civilization from primitive
forms of life is the presence of tater tots.


You said it. Nothing higher than a slime mold will eat them.

(They taste just like Pringles, but don\'t get me started--bet I can\'t
diss just one.)


Mo\'s favorite meal, which I dutifully prepare to save our marriage, is
fried shrimp on Hawaiian buns with tater tots. Gotta admit it\'s pretty
good.

OreIda of course.

Well, I suppose I can overlook that, given that she\'s such a splendid
person otherwise.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

We are really into Hawaiian buns lately. I make tiny teriyaki burger
sliders, and I make her teriyaki purple onion sliders.

I make breakfast sliders. Freeze some for later

https://postimg.cc/rKRsVqVJ

https://postimg.cc/0z80t766

Layer of bacon, ham, spinach, cheddar cheese grated, 6 eggs.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 27 May 2023 16:43:12 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

On 5/27/2023 4:29 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 15:03:31 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2023-05-27 13:09, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 12:22:48 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2023-05-27 11:12, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2023 13:31:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-05-27, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 27/05/2023 02:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 16:31:48 +0100, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
On 4/23/2023 10:22 AM, John Larkin wrote:

Not me. I don\'t like heavy, acidic flavors. I am biased towards sweet,
creamy, smooth. Mo is Italian and makes heavy red sauces that she
simmers down for hours. My fix is to dilute them about 3:1 with heavy
cream and add cheeses and garlic and tweak the spices, a light orange
color when it\'s edible.

My wife used to make a good sauce but it never seemed overly acidic.

Do our mouths have litmus paper?

No, because we\'d need eyes in our mouths to see the colour change.

We can detect acids, though. I\'m not sure whether we can distinguish
them from alkalis, though. I\'ll have to try licking some caustic soda.

Acids are sour. Bases are bitter.

The thing that separates sentient human civilization from primitive
forms of life is the presence of tater tots.


You said it. Nothing higher than a slime mold will eat them.

(They taste just like Pringles, but don\'t get me started--bet I can\'t
diss just one.)


Mo\'s favorite meal, which I dutifully prepare to save our marriage, is
fried shrimp on Hawaiian buns with tater tots. Gotta admit it\'s pretty
good.

OreIda of course.

Well, I suppose I can overlook that, given that she\'s such a splendid
person otherwise.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

We are really into Hawaiian buns lately. I make tiny teriyaki burger
sliders, and I make her teriyaki purple onion sliders.


I make breakfast sliders. Freeze some for later

https://postimg.cc/rKRsVqVJ

https://postimg.cc/0z80t766

Layer of bacon, ham, spinach, cheddar cheese grated, 6 eggs.

Good idea. I\'ll try that.

 

[rbowman]

On Sat, 27 May 2023 11:52:06 +0100, Max Demian wrote:

No we don\'t. We call it \"macaroni cheese\". entirely \"and\" free. Of
course it *isn\'t* just macaroni and cheese, there are other ingredients.

Americans are very keen on it, and you can buy a kit of parts to make
it. I don\'t know what they use for cheese, though.

The Kraft kits have envelopes of a yellow powder rumored to be dried
Cheddar. You add milk or some optional butter and mix it in after cooking
the macaroni.

My mother often made macaroni and cheese but it was from scratch with real
Cheddar, milk, eggs, flour, butter and macaroni. It was quite a bit
different.