USB chargers, anyone ?

[Cydrome Leader]

William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

Almost the first 10 years of USB were complete crap.

That might be true. My first computer with USB was purchased in 2001, and I
never had problems with USB.


These days, USB mostly works. It's still obnoxious when devices can't
handle being moved between ports though, which is proof USB or
everybody that writes device drivers are completely stupid.

Does moving a scanner between my front and rear USB port really
require a driver reinstallation? WTF?

In theory, no, but that's the way it is.

If you go to Device Manager, select Show Hidden Devices, and rummage through
the listings (especially Universal Serial Bus Controllers), you'll see a lot
of grayed USB devices. Many of these represent the /same/ device attached to
a /different/ USB jack.

In other words, the USB system organizes by ports rather than devices. If
you plug a device you've used before into a different port, USB doesn't know
this, and installs the driver for use by the new port. I don't know why it
was done this way.

I can tell you why. Everybody involved in making USB was complete fucking
idiot.

If this bothers you, keep track of which jack you plug a device into. Make
sure that devices that often connected to the computer at the same time
don't use the same jack.

What bothers me is every person involved in the USB spec is mouth
breating, idiot. They deserve to die in an electrical fire.

By the way, it's okay to "prune" the listing of entries for devices you're
not using any more, or are duplicates. The worst that can happen is that the
device will stop working until you remove/replug the cable. A few months
back I deleted something like a hundred entries, without wrecking anything.

So the typical user is supposed to go in and look at hidden devices and
prune them away.

you call that plug and play?

I don't. I call it pure stupid. USB is a cobbled together piece of shit.
It should really have been speced to use miniDIN connectors.

 

[Cydrome Leader]

Dave Platt <dplatt@radagast.org> wrote:

In article <k2t82n$oei$1@dont-email.me>,
William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

Does moving a scanner between my front and rear USB port really
require a driver reinstallation? WTF?

In theory, no, but that's the way it is.

That's almost entirely an operating-system issue... not USB per se.

It's a question of how does an application locate/identify/address a
specific USB peripheral.

USB has a tree hierarchy... controllers, hubs (possibly several layers
of them) and devices. Applications generally want to open a device
using a fixed, repeatable identifier. Depending on the OS and the
application, this identifier may be based on the bus topology (which
controller, hub chain, and port) or on the unique characteristics of
the device itself (model, manufacturer, type, serial number).

It sounds as if Windows is creating a unique, long-term identity for
the device based on both of these - the device itself, and the bus
topology to reach it - and that changing to a different port "orphans"
the identity. It might be Windows itself doing this, or the
manufacturer-supplied device driver.

Other operating systems (e.g. Linux) can assign a unique identity
based solely on the device's unique characteristics, assuming that it
has enough to make it unique (e.g. a real serial number), and the same
identity will be assigned to it no matter what port it's plugged into.

Apparently somebody decided that to send a few volts down the line, you
need an interface chip, but identifying devices is too hard? It's not like
people ran out of UUIDs. I'm pretty sure even my mouse has some sort of
serial number. Even a fucking NE2000 network card from 1991 has one.

Plain and simple. USB is completely stupid, from the ground up.

 

[Cydrome Leader]

William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

USB is completely stupid, from the ground up.

I don't know how long you've been using personal computers, but it seems
you've never had to set up COM ports, which can be a major pain in the
toches. USB largely delivers on its promise of "plug and play". Whatever
problems it might have, they are offset by the fact that USB works with
little or no fussing.

I used a dumb terminal before I had a complete computer, so I'm no
stranger to serial and all the goofy breakout boxes, null modem adapters
and chain of adapters almost foot long to get stuff to work. It was all
pretty stupid, but about as good as it gets for stuff that old.

The only problem I can remember is a product that said you shouldn't install
the driver until you've plugged in the device, when it was actually the
other way around. Or maybe vice-versa.

that right there is the sign something inherently doesn't work correctly.
If you did just plug something in, you'd end up in a world of hurt most of
the time too- again, it's totaly senseless and the sign of a stupid
committee at work.

Imagine your outlet exploding if you plugged in a new appliance before
registering the device with your circuit breaker panel.

Or maybe an network device that if plugged into your hub/route/switch
would completely destroy your network unless you installed magic drivers
or code works or whatever somewhere else first.

It's all stupid and there's no excuse for it at all.

 

[Arfa Daily]

"Jamie" <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote in message
news:SKv4s.471$af5.443@newsfe20.iad...

Cydrome Leader wrote:

William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

USB is completely stupid, from the ground up.

I don't know how long you've been using personal computers, but it seems
you've never had to set up COM ports, which can be a major pain in the
toches. USB largely delivers on its promise of "plug and play". Whatever
problems it might have, they are offset by the fact that USB works with
little or no fussing.


I used a dumb terminal before I had a complete computer, so I'm no
stranger to serial and all the goofy breakout boxes, null modem adapters
and chain of adapters almost foot long to get stuff to work. It was all
pretty stupid, but about as good as it gets for stuff that old.

I used a set of barn door hinges, C-clamped on my table as a straight
keyer for morse code, before all that I have now came along. Beat that
one!

Jamie

My father-in-law was a professional key-man who worked for the UK FO many
years ago, and I remember him telling me that the first squeeze key that he
put together in some god-forsaken outpost, was made from two thin table
knives, taped together at the handles and jammed in a vise, with alligator
clips for the connections ... !

Arfa

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Cydrome Leader wrote:

William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
Almost the first 10 years of USB were complete crap.

That might be true. My first computer with USB was purchased in 2001, and I
never had problems with USB.


These days, USB mostly works. It's still obnoxious when devices can't
handle being moved between ports though, which is proof USB or
everybody that writes device drivers are completely stupid.

Does moving a scanner between my front and rear USB port really
require a driver reinstallation? WTF?

In theory, no, but that's the way it is.

If you go to Device Manager, select Show Hidden Devices, and rummage through
the listings (especially Universal Serial Bus Controllers), you'll see a lot
of grayed USB devices. Many of these represent the /same/ device attached to
a /different/ USB jack.

In other words, the USB system organizes by ports rather than devices. If
you plug a device you've used before into a different port, USB doesn't know
this, and installs the driver for use by the new port. I don't know why it
was done this way.

I can tell you why. Everybody involved in making USB was complete fucking
idiot.

If this bothers you, keep track of which jack you plug a device into. Make
sure that devices that often connected to the computer at the same time
don't use the same jack.

What bothers me is every person involved in the USB spec is mouth
breating, idiot. They deserve to die in an electrical fire.

By the way, it's okay to "prune" the listing of entries for devices you're
not using any more, or are duplicates. The worst that can happen is that the
device will stop working until you remove/replug the cable. A few months
back I deleted something like a hundred entries, without wrecking anything.

So the typical user is supposed to go in and look at hidden devices and
prune them away.

you call that plug and play?

I don't. I call it pure stupid. USB is a cobbled together piece of shit.
It should really have been speced to use miniDIN connectors.

Yawn. What have you designed that can track up to 256 ports, and
make sure the OS keeps track of what is connected to that port so the
proper driver is used for the device?

 

[John G]

Cydrome Leader formulated the question :

William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
Almost the first 10 years of USB were complete crap.

That might be true. My first computer with USB was purchased in 2001, and I
never had problems with USB.


These days, USB mostly works. It's still obnoxious when devices can't
handle being moved between ports though, which is proof USB or
everybody that writes device drivers are completely stupid.
Does moving a scanner between my front and rear USB port really
require a driver reinstallation? WTF?

In theory, no, but that's the way it is.

If you go to Device Manager, select Show Hidden Devices, and rummage through
the listings (especially Universal Serial Bus Controllers), you'll see a lot
of grayed USB devices. Many of these represent the /same/ device attached to
a /different/ USB jack.

In other words, the USB system organizes by ports rather than devices. If
you plug a device you've used before into a different port, USB doesn't know
this, and installs the driver for use by the new port. I don't know why it
was done this way.

I can tell you why. Everybody involved in making USB was complete fucking
idiot.

If this bothers you, keep track of which jack you plug a device into. Make
sure that devices that often connected to the computer at the same time
don't use the same jack.

What bothers me is every person involved in the USB spec is mouth
breating, idiot. They deserve to die in an electrical fire.

By the way, it's okay to "prune" the listing of entries for devices you're
not using any more, or are duplicates. The worst that can happen is that the
device will stop working until you remove/replug the cable. A few months
back I deleted something like a hundred entries, without wrecking anything.

So the typical user is supposed to go in and look at hidden devices and
prune them away.

you call that plug and play?

I don't. I call it pure stupid. USB is a cobbled together piece of shit.
It should really have been speced to use miniDIN connectors.

Uninformed Bigoted ranting :-?

--
John G

 

[John Robertson]

Cydrome Leader wrote:

Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
Cydrome Leader wrote:
William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
Almost the first 10 years of USB were complete crap.
That might be true. My first computer with USB was purchased in 2001, and I
never had problems with USB.


These days, USB mostly works. It's still obnoxious when devices can't
handle being moved between ports though, which is proof USB or
everybody that writes device drivers are completely stupid.
Does moving a scanner between my front and rear USB port really
require a driver reinstallation? WTF?
In theory, no, but that's the way it is.

If you go to Device Manager, select Show Hidden Devices, and rummage through
the listings (especially Universal Serial Bus Controllers), you'll see a lot
of grayed USB devices. Many of these represent the /same/ device attached to
a /different/ USB jack.

In other words, the USB system organizes by ports rather than devices. If
you plug a device you've used before into a different port, USB doesn't know
this, and installs the driver for use by the new port. I don't know why it
was done this way.
I can tell you why. Everybody involved in making USB was complete fucking
idiot.

If this bothers you, keep track of which jack you plug a device into. Make
sure that devices that often connected to the computer at the same time
don't use the same jack.
What bothers me is every person involved in the USB spec is mouth
breating, idiot. They deserve to die in an electrical fire.

By the way, it's okay to "prune" the listing of entries for devices you're
not using any more, or are duplicates. The worst that can happen is that the
device will stop working until you remove/replug the cable. A few months
back I deleted something like a hundred entries, without wrecking anything.
So the typical user is supposed to go in and look at hidden devices and
prune them away.

you call that plug and play?

I don't. I call it pure stupid. USB is a cobbled together piece of shit.
It should really have been speced to use miniDIN connectors.

Yawn. What have you designed that can track up to 256 ports, and
make sure the OS keeps track of what is connected to that port so the
proper driver is used for the device?

USB can't even keep track of 1 device moved between two ports, so I don't
know what your 256 port chatter is even about.

Maybe USB in the PC world can't handle being moved from port to port,
but on my MacbookPro the machine doesn't care which of the two USB ports
I plug a peripheral (printer, USB drive, etc.) into - it always finds
it, and then uses it immediately.

Now that may just be my machine, or perhaps Apple did something right
when they wrote their USB handling protocols - I'm sure I don't know!

Just happy that it works.

Now if only more people used Firewire...(ducking)

John :-#)#

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[William Sommerwerck]

Maybe USB in the PC world can't handle being moved from
port to port, but on my MacbookPro the machine doesn't care
which of the two USB ports I plug a peripheral (printer, USB
drive, etc.) into - it always finds it, and then uses it immediately.

Ditto for Windows. Let's not turn this into Windows bashing.

Just to make it clear... You can plug any USB device into any port at any
time, and the correct driver will be found and loaded. If you plug it into a
port where it has previously been installed, the driver might be found a bit
faster.

Furthermore, USB can handle up to 256 devices.

I can only defend USB "negatively" -- I've never had problems with it.

 

[Cydrome Leader]

Jamie <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:

Cydrome Leader wrote:

William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

USB is completely stupid, from the ground up.

I don't know how long you've been using personal computers, but it seems
you've never had to set up COM ports, which can be a major pain in the
toches. USB largely delivers on its promise of "plug and play". Whatever
problems it might have, they are offset by the fact that USB works with
little or no fussing.


I used a dumb terminal before I had a complete computer, so I'm no
stranger to serial and all the goofy breakout boxes, null modem adapters
and chain of adapters almost foot long to get stuff to work. It was all
pretty stupid, but about as good as it gets for stuff that old.

I used a set of barn door hinges, C-clamped on my table as a straight
keyer for morse code, before all that I have now came along. Beat that
one!

That sounds obvious, reliable and easy to fix.

Imagine how many GB of shitty code would be used to do the same thing
today, at greater cost and lower reliability.

 

[Cydrome Leader]

Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Cydrome Leader wrote:

William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
Almost the first 10 years of USB were complete crap.

That might be true. My first computer with USB was purchased in 2001, and I
never had problems with USB.


These days, USB mostly works. It's still obnoxious when devices can't
handle being moved between ports though, which is proof USB or
everybody that writes device drivers are completely stupid.

Does moving a scanner between my front and rear USB port really
require a driver reinstallation? WTF?

In theory, no, but that's the way it is.

If you go to Device Manager, select Show Hidden Devices, and rummage through
the listings (especially Universal Serial Bus Controllers), you'll see a lot
of grayed USB devices. Many of these represent the /same/ device attached to
a /different/ USB jack.

In other words, the USB system organizes by ports rather than devices. If
you plug a device you've used before into a different port, USB doesn't know
this, and installs the driver for use by the new port. I don't know why it
was done this way.

I can tell you why. Everybody involved in making USB was complete fucking
idiot.

If this bothers you, keep track of which jack you plug a device into. Make
sure that devices that often connected to the computer at the same time
don't use the same jack.

What bothers me is every person involved in the USB spec is mouth
breating, idiot. They deserve to die in an electrical fire.

By the way, it's okay to "prune" the listing of entries for devices you're
not using any more, or are duplicates. The worst that can happen is that the
device will stop working until you remove/replug the cable. A few months
back I deleted something like a hundred entries, without wrecking anything.

So the typical user is supposed to go in and look at hidden devices and
prune them away.

you call that plug and play?

I don't. I call it pure stupid. USB is a cobbled together piece of shit.
It should really have been speced to use miniDIN connectors.


Yawn. What have you designed that can track up to 256 ports, and
make sure the OS keeps track of what is connected to that port so the
proper driver is used for the device?

USB can't even keep track of 1 device moved between two ports, so I don't
know what your 256 port chatter is even about.

 

[Cydrome Leader]

John G <greentest@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

Cydrome Leader formulated the question :
William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
Almost the first 10 years of USB were complete crap.

That might be true. My first computer with USB was purchased in 2001, and I
never had problems with USB.


These days, USB mostly works. It's still obnoxious when devices can't
handle being moved between ports though, which is proof USB or
everybody that writes device drivers are completely stupid.
Does moving a scanner between my front and rear USB port really
require a driver reinstallation? WTF?

In theory, no, but that's the way it is.

If you go to Device Manager, select Show Hidden Devices, and rummage through
the listings (especially Universal Serial Bus Controllers), you'll see a lot
of grayed USB devices. Many of these represent the /same/ device attached to
a /different/ USB jack.

In other words, the USB system organizes by ports rather than devices. If
you plug a device you've used before into a different port, USB doesn't know
this, and installs the driver for use by the new port. I don't know why it
was done this way.

I can tell you why. Everybody involved in making USB was complete fucking
idiot.

If this bothers you, keep track of which jack you plug a device into. Make
sure that devices that often connected to the computer at the same time
don't use the same jack.

What bothers me is every person involved in the USB spec is mouth
breating, idiot. They deserve to die in an electrical fire.

By the way, it's okay to "prune" the listing of entries for devices you're
not using any more, or are duplicates. The worst that can happen is that the
device will stop working until you remove/replug the cable. A few months
back I deleted something like a hundred entries, without wrecking anything.

So the typical user is supposed to go in and look at hidden devices and
prune them away.

you call that plug and play?

I don't. I call it pure stupid. USB is a cobbled together piece of shit.
It should really have been speced to use miniDIN connectors.

Uninformed Bigoted ranting :-?

feel free to slam down anything I've stated about USB. Let's see what you
can come up with.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

William Sommerwerck wrote:

Maybe USB in the PC world can't handle being moved from
port to port, but on my MacbookPro the machine doesn't care
which of the two USB ports I plug a peripheral (printer, USB
drive, etc.) into - it always finds it, and then uses it immediately.

Ditto for Windows. Let's not turn this into Windows bashing.

Just to make it clear... You can plug any USB device into any port at any
time, and the correct driver will be found and loaded. If you plug it into a
port where it has previously been installed, the driver might be found a bit
faster.

Furthermore, USB can handle up to 256 devices.

I can only defend USB "negatively" -- I've never had problems with it.

I've used it since win 98SE came out, and the only problems I've had
were erratic ports on a failing motherboard. The board failed a few
days later, with the low ESR caps split open.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

John Robertson wrote:

Maybe USB in the PC world can't handle being moved from port to port,
but on my MacbookPro the machine doesn't care which of the two USB ports
I plug a peripheral (printer, USB drive, etc.) into - it always finds
it, and then uses it immediately.

Now that may just be my machine, or perhaps Apple did something right
when they wrote their USB handling protocols - I'm sure I don't know!

Or they just don't tell you what's happening. Two ports is easy.
When they work OK. When Apple screws up, it really screws up. I know
people who spend hours on the phone to Apple for problems. I'll fix any
of their PC or Cisco problems, but I won't touch Apple. I've repaired
computer hardware at the component level, from the Motorola 'Exorcisor'
6800 days. I troubleshot MC68340 embedded controller boards at the
factory, and my first IBM XT was built from boards all repaired on my
bench. I even converted that motherboard from the 256 KB version to the
640 KB version.

There is a program they will display all the USB devices a PC has
used, along with other information. I can't think of the name right
now, and it's not on this hard drive. It's my backup system that I use
to program ICs

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Cydrome Leader wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Yawn. What have you designed that can track up to 256 ports, and
make sure the OS keeps track of what is connected to that port so the
proper driver is used for the device?

USB can't even keep track of 1 device moved between two ports, so I don't
know what your 256 port chatter is even about.

So, you're clueless, stupid & bitter. Got it. All the computer is
doing is telling you that the device wasn't used on that port before.
Try swapping an external RS-232 modem & RS-232 mouse on an old PC and
you'll be doing all of the work yourself rather than just see a popup.

 

[Cydrome Leader]

John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> wrote:

Cydrome Leader wrote:
Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
Cydrome Leader wrote:
William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
Almost the first 10 years of USB were complete crap.
That might be true. My first computer with USB was purchased in 2001, and I
never had problems with USB.


These days, USB mostly works. It's still obnoxious when devices can't
handle being moved between ports though, which is proof USB or
everybody that writes device drivers are completely stupid.
Does moving a scanner between my front and rear USB port really
require a driver reinstallation? WTF?
In theory, no, but that's the way it is.

If you go to Device Manager, select Show Hidden Devices, and rummage through
the listings (especially Universal Serial Bus Controllers), you'll see a lot
of grayed USB devices. Many of these represent the /same/ device attached to
a /different/ USB jack.

In other words, the USB system organizes by ports rather than devices. If
you plug a device you've used before into a different port, USB doesn't know
this, and installs the driver for use by the new port. I don't know why it
was done this way.
I can tell you why. Everybody involved in making USB was complete fucking
idiot.

If this bothers you, keep track of which jack you plug a device into. Make
sure that devices that often connected to the computer at the same time
don't use the same jack.
What bothers me is every person involved in the USB spec is mouth
breating, idiot. They deserve to die in an electrical fire.

By the way, it's okay to "prune" the listing of entries for devices you're
not using any more, or are duplicates. The worst that can happen is that the
device will stop working until you remove/replug the cable. A few months
back I deleted something like a hundred entries, without wrecking anything.
So the typical user is supposed to go in and look at hidden devices and
prune them away.

you call that plug and play?

I don't. I call it pure stupid. USB is a cobbled together piece of shit.
It should really have been speced to use miniDIN connectors.

Yawn. What have you designed that can track up to 256 ports, and
make sure the OS keeps track of what is connected to that port so the
proper driver is used for the device?

USB can't even keep track of 1 device moved between two ports, so I don't
know what your 256 port chatter is even about.



Maybe USB in the PC world can't handle being moved from port to port,
but on my MacbookPro the machine doesn't care which of the two USB ports
I plug a peripheral (printer, USB drive, etc.) into - it always finds
it, and then uses it immediately.

Now that may just be my machine, or perhaps Apple did something right
when they wrote their USB handling protocols - I'm sure I don't know!

Just happy that it works.

Now if only more people used Firewire...(ducking)

I actually like firewire- and I've never seen a bad/broken implementation
of it either.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

There is a program that will display all the USB devices a PC has
used, along with other information. I can't think of the name right
now, and it's not on this hard drive. It's my backup system that I use
to program ICs.

It's called Device Manager. All you need to do is select View --> Show
hidden devices, and expand the USB section.

This listing isn't available until you set a system variable. I forget what
it is.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

Take for example an epson 1680 scanner, or tons of other devices.
Moving it will require a reinstallation of the driver, and you can't
just point Windows at the location of the drivers, which are already
there. Printers are notorious for this bullshit, too.

No wonder you're farbissen.

I've never seen this with USB. USB is keyed to the device's description --
not to a specific port.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

William Sommerwerck wrote:

There is a program that will display all the USB devices a PC has
used, along with other information. I can't think of the name right
now, and it's not on this hard drive. It's my backup system that I use
to program ICs.

It's called Device Manager. All you need to do is select View --> Show
hidden devices, and expand the USB section.

This listing isn't available until you set a system variable. I forget what
it is.

I'm talking about a stand alone program that gives detailed
information that isn't available from Device Manager. I just found it
online: http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/usbdeview.zip

Save it, then unzip it. Click on USBDeview.exe to run it.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Cydrome Leader wrote:

Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Cydrome Leader wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Yawn. What have you designed that can track up to 256 ports, and
make sure the OS keeps track of what is connected to that port so the
proper driver is used for the device?

USB can't even keep track of 1 device moved between two ports, so I don't
know what your 256 port chatter is even about.


So, you're clueless, stupid & bitter. Got it. All the computer is
doing is telling you that the device wasn't used on that port before.
Try swapping an external RS-232 modem & RS-232 mouse on an old PC and
you'll be doing all of the work yourself rather than just see a popup.

you don't know what you're talking about is the problem here.

take for example an epson 1680 scanner, or tons of other devices.

moving it will require a reinstallation of the driver, and you can't
just point windows at the location of the drivers, which are already
there. Printers are notorious for this bullshit too.

Back to the scanner- if you use with with the SCSI interface and change
IDs it doesn't require a reinstall.

Then buy any SCSI card & any SCSI scanner. The expensive cables, the
teminator and have fun. Of course, there are lots of incompatable SCSI
intefaces, and hardware. Try plugging a modern SCSI drive into an
original SCSI card. Have you ever seen a SCSI cable catch on fire? I
have, when the conductor for power to the terminator left a empty, burnt
piece of plastic in the middle of a 50 conductor ribbon cable when the
internal active teminator failed with a dead short petween that pin and
the grounds. Let's see you do that with a current controlled USB port.

something with USB and how things use it is completely retarded.

RS-232 never claimed to be smart, easy or anything.

USB does, which is a big lie.

it's smart enough to piss you off.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

William Sommerwerck wrote:

Take for example an epson 1680 scanner, or tons of other devices.
Moving it will require a reinstallation of the driver, and you can't
just point Windows at the location of the drivers, which are already
there. Printers are notorious for this bullshit, too.

No wonder you're farbissen.

I've never seen this with USB. USB is keyed to the device's description --
not to a specific port.

It sounds like he brings it on himself for buying Epson. They can
screw up anything. Like the original magic Jack. It reinstalled
itself every time the computer booted. Several minutes, with it's
bootloader covering the center of the screen, and in your way. That
wasn't a problem with USB, but the implementation.