US COVID-19 Infection Rate Still not Peaked

[Tom Gardner]

On 28/04/20 14:11, Michael Terrell wrote:

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 7:17:34 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 28/04/20 10:59, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 5:05:59 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:

Unpleasant.

I suspect, but will never know, that my mother came home early because
she insisted she didn't want to be in the hospital. She certainly
didn't want to go, I wasn't allowed in to talk to the doctors. Can't
argue with any of that.

In terms of falls, five years ago I forgot there were steps outside my
front door (only used them >20k times!), realised just too late and
decided it was better to jump than fall.

After landing and tumbling, my knee was at an improper angle. The
paramedics arrived promptly and were amazed and worried that there was
perfect sensation but zero pain. The next day, Sunday, the surgeons
repaired the ruptured patellar tendon, and after 6 months the leg was
pretty good.

I won't run again, but I've never liked running anyway!

Thank God for the NHS.

Over here the slogan is "Stay home. Protect the NHS. Save lives", in
that order.

It has escaped nobody's attention that the politicians have been
running it down for a decade. My fragrant (Brexiteer, right wing) MP
recently voted against giving NHS staff a pay rise. I hope that comes
back to bite him.

I had a really bad case of Pneumonia when I was 10 years old. Our family
doctor wanted to put me in the hospital, that day. I didn't want to be in
the hospital, and I didn't want to get behind at school. That was a
Friday, after school. I was told that like it or not, I would go, if it
hadn't started to clear up by Monday. My doctors was very confused on
Monday. I had forced all the fluids out of my lungs over the weekend and
he didn't know what to say. I still had to sit in the bleachers for a
month, in Gym class because of it.

How did you force the fluid out?

I've idly wondered whether "vampire boots" used for spinal "inversion
therapy" would help with draining the lungs w.r.t. covid, not that I've got
any!

(Not the goth/cosplay vampire boots!)

I was laying face down on my bed, with my head and part of my chest hanging
over a trash can as I coughed up gobs of the infection. I was quite sore for
about two weeks afterwards. The coughing moved it, and the pressure from the
mattress reduced the pain.

Interesting.

Recently, and somewhat to my surprise, I have found out
that if you are on a ventilator, lying on your stomach
is better for your lungs.

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 28/04/20 18:06, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 17:46:40 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 28/04/20 14:11, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 7:17:34 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 28/04/20 10:59, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 5:05:59 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:

Unpleasant.

I suspect, but will never know, that my mother came home early because
she insisted she didn't want to be in the hospital. She certainly
didn't want to go, I wasn't allowed in to talk to the doctors. Can't
argue with any of that.

In terms of falls, five years ago I forgot there were steps outside my
front door (only used them >20k times!), realised just too late and
decided it was better to jump than fall.

After landing and tumbling, my knee was at an improper angle. The
paramedics arrived promptly and were amazed and worried that there was
perfect sensation but zero pain. The next day, Sunday, the surgeons
repaired the ruptured patellar tendon, and after 6 months the leg was
pretty good.

I won't run again, but I've never liked running anyway!

Thank God for the NHS.

Over here the slogan is "Stay home. Protect the NHS. Save lives", in
that order.

It has escaped nobody's attention that the politicians have been
running it down for a decade. My fragrant (Brexiteer, right wing) MP
recently voted against giving NHS staff a pay rise. I hope that comes
back to bite him.

I had a really bad case of Pneumonia when I was 10 years old. Our family
doctor wanted to put me in the hospital, that day. I didn't want to be in
the hospital, and I didn't want to get behind at school. That was a
Friday, after school. I was told that like it or not, I would go, if it
hadn't started to clear up by Monday. My doctors was very confused on
Monday. I had forced all the fluids out of my lungs over the weekend and
he didn't know what to say. I still had to sit in the bleachers for a
month, in Gym class because of it.

How did you force the fluid out?

I've idly wondered whether "vampire boots" used for spinal "inversion
therapy" would help with draining the lungs w.r.t. covid, not that I've got
any!

(Not the goth/cosplay vampire boots!)

I was laying face down on my bed, with my head and part of my chest hanging
over a trash can as I coughed up gobs of the infection. I was quite sore for
about two weeks afterwards. The coughing moved it, and the pressure from the
mattress reduced the pain.

Interesting.

Recently, and somewhat to my surprise, I have found out
that if you are on a ventilator, lying on your stomach
is better for your lungs.

Lying on your stomach instead of using a ventilator might be even
better.

Oh, I've already thought of that, and have told
many people.

I prefer sleeping on my stomach, but over Christmas I
got a stiff neck and had to find a way to keep my neck
straighter. That means lying on side or back.

So that's a good excuse to revert!

 

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 2:21:02 AM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 8:13:18 PM UTC-7, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 10:27:13 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:

Anyhow I think the fear is justified, because this is basically Russian
Roulette - nobody is safe.

I posted a graphic from your Dept. of Health that, I believe, demonstrates
that nearly everyone is safe. Nearly everyone can handle SARS-CoV2 if
they get it...

You mean, safe :== 'recovery is more likely than not'? But Russian roulette only kills
one in six... sixteen, ir twenty-six, aren't "safe", either.

Where's your basis for a 1-in-26 fatality rate? Tests in the Bronx
are coming back 39% positive. Even the animals in their zoo have it --
why isn't 4% of the Bronx dead?

AFAICT the fatality rate per infection looks to be about 0.3%, highly
concentrated in people who were already unwell. Obviously, those people
should wait out the storm while the rest of us steer the ship.

> It's insane to play a game with that kind of odds.

Yeah, but you've wildly exaggerated the odds. And your belief in an
alternative is riddled with magical thinking. When we all come out
of our hidey-holes, the virus will be there ready for business. There
are tens of millions of human carriers spread in every country on
every continent all around the globe, and even if you could test every
human and bat and zoo animal on the planet -- which you can't -- the
test still misses 10% of the silent cases.

If you can afford to dodge
the bullet, do so.

The 'Dept. of Health' has a pretty good idea that a fast spreading disease
can overwhelm the localr facilities, , did you find a graphic on that, too?

Duh. But we're nowhere close. Hospitals sufficiently distant from
New York's mass virus-distribution system are deserted, hemorrhaging
money and laying off staff.

This would like a poor time to dismantle our health care system by
trying to hide from something that isn't going away.

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 2:56:18 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 27/04/20 04:21, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 6:49:46 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

I wonder how many deaths have resulted from the lockdowns. People
aren't getting cancer or kidney or heart surgeries or tests. Kids
aren't getting vaccinated. People are in desperate financial shape,
drinking and fighting and maybe suicide.

Suicide is a leading cause of death (47k annually), particularly among
men, and in my area, it has skyrocketed.

I know someone in agonizing pain, but unable to see a doctor.
(All the doctors' practices are closed, or teleconference-only.)

If you need tests or diagnoses, if you happen to fall ill right now,
if you've found a lump and need it looked into, you're screwed.

So do I: my mother yesterday.

Doctor said she should go to A&E, and within an hour
she was there.

The A&E waiting room was sparsely packed.

She's home now; I hope she hasn't picked up something
and if so won't pass it on to me. I'll go round and
check soon.

I hope your mum's okay.

Our emergency rooms are still open, even empty, but an E.R. isn't
the place for my sufferer's sort of condition.

With best regards,
James

 

[Ricky C]

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 1:14:49 PM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 2:21:02 AM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 8:13:18 PM UTC-7, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 10:27:13 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:

Anyhow I think the fear is justified, because this is basically Russian
Roulette - nobody is safe.

I posted a graphic from your Dept. of Health that, I believe, demonstrates
that nearly everyone is safe. Nearly everyone can handle SARS-CoV2 if
they get it...

You mean, safe :== 'recovery is more likely than not'? But Russian roulette only kills
one in six... sixteen, ir twenty-six, aren't "safe", either.

Where's your basis for a 1-in-26 fatality rate? Tests in the Bronx
are coming back 39% positive. Even the animals in their zoo have it --
why isn't 4% of the Bronx dead?

AFAICT the fatality rate per infection looks to be about 0.3%, highly
concentrated in people who were already unwell. Obviously, those people
should wait out the storm while the rest of us steer the ship.

You keep saying things like that, but you have no idea how people can avoid the virus completely. Medical facilities are constantly dealing with the patients and staff becoming infected. Nursing homes and elder care facilities become death camps with infections raging through.

The only way we can stop this disease is to clear it from the general population by eliminating the spread. However, unlike other countries where it works, in the US we seem to have too much of the cowboy spirit to actually stay at home and not spread this disease into the vulnerable population.

Why can't you understand that your idea is not workable and would result in huge fatality rates?

It's insane to play a game with that kind of odds.

Yeah, but you've wildly exaggerated the odds. And your belief in an
alternative is riddled with magical thinking. When we all come out
of our hidey-holes, the virus will be there ready for business.

No, the virus does not live in the ground like Anthrax. It does not have a reservoir in other animals like pigs. It lives no more than 72 hours outside of a human host.

The number of active infections needs to be reduced to a point where every infection can be tracked and everyone exposed isolated. Then the disease can be eradicated. OTHER COUNTRIES ARE WELL ON THEIR WAY TO DOING THIS. The US however, seems to be unable to enforce a lock down resulting in a prolonged, slow spread through the population giving us both high infection counts and economic harm.

There
are tens of millions of human carriers spread in every country on
every continent all around the globe, and even if you could test every
human and bat and zoo animal on the planet -- which you can't -- the
test still misses 10% of the silent cases.

We don't need to worry about other countries. We need to worry about what is happening inside our borders.

This has all been said before. You just refuse to acknowledge the truth.

If you can afford to dodge
the bullet, do so.


The 'Dept. of Health' has a pretty good idea that a fast spreading disease
can overwhelm the localr facilities, , did you find a graphic on that, too?

Duh. But we're nowhere close. Hospitals sufficiently distant from
New York's mass virus-distribution system are deserted, hemorrhaging
money and laying off staff.

This would like a poor time to dismantle our health care system by
trying to hide from something that isn't going away.

You over state the medical situation. The biggest problem the medical facilities have is a lack of PPE.

--

Rick C.

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[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 3:14:49 AM UTC+10, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 2:21:02 AM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 8:13:18 PM UTC-7, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 10:27:13 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:

Anyhow I think the fear is justified, because this is basically Russian
Roulette - nobody is safe.

I posted a graphic from your Dept. of Health that, I believe, demonstrates
that nearly everyone is safe. Nearly everyone can handle SARS-CoV2 if
they get it...

You mean, safe :== 'recovery is more likely than not'? But Russian roulette only kills one in six... sixteen, ir twenty-six, aren't "safe", either.

Where's your basis for a 1-in-26 fatality rate? Tests in the Bronx
are coming back 39% positive. Even the animals in their zoo have it --
why isn't 4% of the Bronx dead?

Tests in the Bronx are coming back with the suggestions that the antibody test being used gives positive results for corona virus infections other than Covid-19. James Arthur likes the results because they support his idiotic idea that Covid-19 isn't all that lethal, and he's happy to ignore all the evidence that doesn't lime up with it (as he always is).

AFAICT the fatality rate per infection looks to be about 0.3%, highly
concentrated in people who were already unwell.

And nobody can tell James Arthur that the antibody tests are throwing up far more false positives than are remotely plausible. If he could think about what he posted he wouldn't be much use as a political propagandist.

Obviously, those people
should wait out the storm while the rest of us steer the ship.

And die of Covid-19 from time to time.

It's insane to play a game with that kind of odds.

Yeah, but you've wildly exaggerated the odds.

James Arthur wants to wildly minimise the odds. He wants the working population out there working to generate his dividends, and he is confident that the couple of percent who will die in consequence can be replaced.

And your belief in an
alternative is riddled with magical thinking. When we all come out
of our hidey-holes, the virus will be there ready for business.

Not if you spend enough on lock-down and contact tracing to eliminate the virus within the community locked down.

There are tens of millions of human carriers spread in every country on
every continent all around the globe, and even if you could test every
human and bat and zoo animal on the planet -- which you can't -- the
test still misses 10% of the silent cases.

But the immune systems of the carriers doesn't. There's no viral equivalent of Typhoid Mary. Silent cases don't stay infectious for as long as visible cases - they'd have developed into symptomatic cases if they did.

The Australian contact tracing efforts are currently finding that only a third of detected cases can't be traced back to a known infection, which mean that no more than one third of Covid-19 infections can be asymptomatic.

Sampling Brisbane's sewage for Covid-19 suggested that the Australian monitoring is picking up pretty much everybody who has the disease.

If you can afford to dodge the bullet, do so.

The 'Dept. of Health' has a pretty good idea that a fast spreading disease
can overwhelm the local facilities, , did you find a graphic on that, too?

Duh. But we're nowhere close. Hospitals sufficiently distant from
New York's mass virus-distribution system are deserted, hemorrhaging
money and laying off staff.

This would like a poor time to dismantle our health care system by
trying to hide from something that isn't going away.

No sensible health care system would start dismantling itself in the middle of an epidemic. The US health system is sensible of its need keep on making money, and insensitive to any other consideration.

James Arthur is always happy to let ideological considerations trump common sense.

If there's any US left after Covid-19 has demonstrated that the US system for running the country is lethally inadequate, there may be a few Covid-19 war trials where people like him might be obliged to try justify their lethally silly ideas.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 10:14:49 AM UTC-7, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 2:21:02 AM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:

You mean, safe :== 'recovery is more likely than not'? But Russian roulette only kills
one in six... sixteen, ir twenty-six, aren't "safe", either.

It's insane to play a game with that kind of odds.

Yeah, but you've wildly exaggerated the odds

Straw man argument; I didn't estimate the odds, I just pointed out
that Russian roulette wasn't any kind of minimum threshold for insanity.

A breakdown of health care would hurt all persons badly, even if there
weren't deaths involved. Odds of nonsurvival aren't the only important measure
of a disease.