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On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 11:58:18 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 27/4/20 1:13 pm, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 10:27:13 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
The problem is that unlike almost any other disease, it progresses
through most of the body without causing symptoms, but after that when
it goes to the lungs, it either dies out there and you recover, or
triggers a cytokine storm that kills you slowly. That's an *immune*
dysfunction, which is also what kills in ebola. You simply don't get
that with the flu.
Severe acute respiratory syndrome is a dread condition, no question.
Anyhow I think the fear is justified, because this is basically Russian
Roulette - nobody is safe.
I posted a graphic from your Dept. of Health that, I believe, demonstrates
that nearly everyone is safe. Nearly everyone can handle SARS-CoV2 if
they get it, and with decent hygiene, nearly every one can avoid it if
they choose, while living a basically (normal life) + (washing their
hands and not touching their faces).
If you're on the edge, the Chinese Red Death will push you off. But
otherwise, it's overwhelmingly a disease of the superannuated and infirm.
So, we protect those people, diligently. That's important. But locking
up healthy people doesn't accomplish that.
Well, that's almost certainly true now in the USA, because of a lack of
leadership and common sense.
Here in Australia (and other places like NZ, that put the right
restrictions in place quickly enough) we can eradicate the disease
entirely. We are already considering how to start opening up a little
after only a month shut down.
I expect that we will have free travel to NZ at least before the end of
the year. And that next year we will again resume the flood of foreign
(mostly Chinese) students - albeit with a mandatory quarantine period on
arrival. Living expenses for foreign students constitutes our 3rd latest
export - and the bigger exports haven't stopped (mining, gas).
But you and I part on a critical assumption -- that quarantining healthy
people stops the illness. It doesn't.
It has done so here, unquestionably.
You've delayed disease, sure. But it's still there.
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 8:13:18 PM UTC-7, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 10:27:13 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
Anyhow I think the fear is justified, because this is basically Russian
Roulette - nobody is safe.
I posted a graphic from your Dept. of Health that, I believe, demonstrates
that nearly everyone is safe. Nearly everyone can handle SARS-CoV2 if
they get it...
You mean, safe :== 'recovery is more likely than not'? But Russian roulette only kills
one in six... sixteen, ir twenty-six, aren't "safe", either.
It's insane to play a game with that kind of odds. If you can afford to dodge
the bullet, do so.
The 'Dept. of Health' has a pretty good idea that a fast spreading disease
can overwhelm the localr facilities, , did you find a graphic on that, too?
On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 8:36:48 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
In California, big hospitals are empty and laying off staff.
Yeah, for public health reasons. And, for the health of... staff.
The Stanford hospital ($27 billion endowment) is generously allowing
some people to continue working, at a 20% pay cut.
That's an odd decision, but neither illegal nor improper; a lessened
work staff can keep interpersonal space open. The endowment is
not relevant information. Every person or organization can keep
savings at will, in non-communist countries.
The Stanford hospital ($27 billion endowment) is generously allowing
some people to continue working, at a 20% pay cut.
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 23:20:58 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 8:13:18 PM UTC-7, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 10:27:13 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
Anyhow I think the fear is justified, because this is basically Russian
Roulette - nobody is safe.
I posted a graphic from your Dept. of Health that, I believe, demonstrates
that nearly everyone is safe. Nearly everyone can handle SARS-CoV2 if
they get it...
You mean, safe :== 'recovery is more likely than not'? But Russian roulette only kills
one in six... sixteen, ir twenty-six, aren't "safe", either.
It's insane to play a game with that kind of odds. If you can afford to dodge
the bullet, do so.
The 'Dept. of Health' has a pretty good idea that a fast spreading disease
can overwhelm the localr facilities, , did you find a graphic on that, too?
In California, big hospitals are empty and laying off staff.
The Stanford hospital ($27 billion endowment) is generously allowing
some people to continue working, at a 20% pay cut.
On 27/04/20 04:21, dagmargoodboat wrote:
On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 6:49:46 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
I wonder how many deaths have resulted from the lockdowns. People
aren't getting cancer or kidney or heart surgeries or tests. Kids
aren't getting vaccinated. People are in desperate financial shape,
drinking and fighting and maybe suicide.
Suicide is a leading cause of death (47k annually), particularly among
men, and in my area, it has skyrocketed.
I know someone in agonizing pain, but unable to see a doctor.
(All the doctors' practices are closed, or teleconference-only.)
If you need tests or diagnoses, if you happen to fall ill right now,
if you've found a lump and need it looked into, you're screwed.
So do I: my mother yesterday.
Doctor said she should go to A&E, and within an hour
she was there.
The A&E waiting room was sparsely packed.
She's home now; I hope she hasn't picked up something
and if so won't pass it on to me. I'll go round and
check soon.
On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 2:56:18 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 27/04/20 04:21, dagmargoodboat wrote:
On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 6:49:46 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
I wonder how many deaths have resulted from the lockdowns. People
aren't getting cancer or kidney or heart surgeries or tests. Kids
aren't getting vaccinated. People are in desperate financial shape,
drinking and fighting and maybe suicide.
Suicide is a leading cause of death (47k annually), particularly among
men, and in my area, it has skyrocketed.
I know someone in agonizing pain, but unable to see a doctor.
(All the doctors' practices are closed, or teleconference-only.)
If you need tests or diagnoses, if you happen to fall ill right now,
if you've found a lump and need it looked into, you're screwed.
So do I: my mother yesterday.
Doctor said she should go to A&E, and within an hour
she was there.
The A&E waiting room was sparsely packed.
She's home now; I hope she hasn't picked up something
and if so won't pass it on to me. I'll go round and
check soon.
What is A&E? In the United States of America it is a Cable TV service called Arts and Entertainment.
On 27/04/20 20:39, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 2:56:18 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 27/04/20 04:21, dagmargoodboat wrote:
On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 6:49:46 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
I wonder how many deaths have resulted from the lockdowns. People
aren't getting cancer or kidney or heart surgeries or tests. Kids
aren't getting vaccinated. People are in desperate financial shape,
drinking and fighting and maybe suicide.
Suicide is a leading cause of death (47k annually), particularly among
men, and in my area, it has skyrocketed.
I know someone in agonizing pain, but unable to see a doctor.
(All the doctors' practices are closed, or teleconference-only.)
If you need tests or diagnoses, if you happen to fall ill right now,
if you've found a lump and need it looked into, you're screwed.
So do I: my mother yesterday.
Doctor said she should go to A&E, and within an hour
she was there.
The A&E waiting room was sparsely packed.
She's home now; I hope she hasn't picked up something
and if so won't pass it on to me. I'll go round and
check soon.
What is A&E? In the United States of America it is a Cable TV service called Arts and Entertainment.
Accident and Emergency: where the ambulances arrive, and
patients are sorted for distribution into the relevant
wards, or sent home.
On 27/04/20 20:39, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 2:56:18 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 27/04/20 04:21, dagmargoodboat wrote:
On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 6:49:46 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
I wonder how many deaths have resulted from the lockdowns. People
aren't getting cancer or kidney or heart surgeries or tests. Kids
aren't getting vaccinated. People are in desperate financial shape,
drinking and fighting and maybe suicide.
Suicide is a leading cause of death (47k annually), particularly among
men, and in my area, it has skyrocketed.
I know someone in agonizing pain, but unable to see a doctor.
(All the doctors' practices are closed, or teleconference-only.)
If you need tests or diagnoses, if you happen to fall ill right now,
if you've found a lump and need it looked into, you're screwed.
So do I: my mother yesterday.
Doctor said she should go to A&E, and within an hour
she was there.
The A&E waiting room was sparsely packed.
She's home now; I hope she hasn't picked up something
and if so won't pass it on to me. I'll go round and
check soon.
What is A&E? In the United States of America it is a Cable TV service called Arts and Entertainment.
Accident and Emergency: where the ambulances arrive, and
patients are sorted for distribution into the relevant
wards, or sent home.
On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 4:03:09 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 27/04/20 20:39, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 2:56:18 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 27/04/20 04:21, dagmargoodboat wrote:
On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 6:49:46 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
I wonder how many deaths have resulted from the lockdowns. People
aren't getting cancer or kidney or heart surgeries or tests. Kids
aren't getting vaccinated. People are in desperate financial shape,
drinking and fighting and maybe suicide.
Suicide is a leading cause of death (47k annually), particularly among
men, and in my area, it has skyrocketed.
I know someone in agonizing pain, but unable to see a doctor.
(All the doctors' practices are closed, or teleconference-only.)
If you need tests or diagnoses, if you happen to fall ill right now,
if you've found a lump and need it looked into, you're screwed.
So do I: my mother yesterday.
Doctor said she should go to A&E, and within an hour
she was there.
The A&E waiting room was sparsely packed.
She's home now; I hope she hasn't picked up something
and if so won't pass it on to me. I'll go round and
check soon.
What is A&E? In the United States of America it is a Cable TV service called Arts and Entertainment.
Accident and Emergency: where the ambulances arrive, and
patients are sorted for distribution into the relevant
wards, or sent home.
That's like John said, an 'Emergency Room' here, where they triage the incoming to determine their treatment.
The last time I had to use one I had suffered a Third Nerve Palsy in my right eye. They did an ultrasound , followed by an MRI to see if there was anything causing the problem. All of that in under two hours. I made seven visits to the VA hospital before they decided that it was healing properly. I couldn't open that eye or move it until it was healed. Even now, the muscles are weaker in that eye, so when I am really fatigued, it will drift until the aren't aimed at the same focal point. They eye was fine one evening, but unusable the next, and it was my good eye. It was hell, driving with no depth perception.
On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 14:11:04 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell wrote:
On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 4:03:09 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 27/04/20 20:39, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 2:56:18 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 27/04/20 04:21, dagmargoodboat wrote:
On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 6:49:46 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
I wonder how many deaths have resulted from the lockdowns. People
aren't getting cancer or kidney or heart surgeries or tests. Kids
aren't getting vaccinated. People are in desperate financial shape,
drinking and fighting and maybe suicide.
Suicide is a leading cause of death (47k annually), particularly among
men, and in my area, it has skyrocketed.
I know someone in agonizing pain, but unable to see a doctor.
(All the doctors' practices are closed, or teleconference-only.)
If you need tests or diagnoses, if you happen to fall ill right now,
if you've found a lump and need it looked into, you're screwed.
So do I: my mother yesterday.
Doctor said she should go to A&E, and within an hour
she was there.
The A&E waiting room was sparsely packed.
She's home now; I hope she hasn't picked up something
and if so won't pass it on to me. I'll go round and
check soon.
What is A&E? In the United States of America it is a Cable TV service called Arts and Entertainment.
Accident and Emergency: where the ambulances arrive, and
patients are sorted for distribution into the relevant
wards, or sent home.
That's like John said, an 'Emergency Room' here, where they triage the incoming to determine their treatment.
The last time I had to use one I had suffered a Third Nerve Palsy in my right eye. They did an ultrasound , followed by an MRI to see if there was anything causing the problem. All of that in under two hours. I made seven visits to the VA hospital before they decided that it was healing properly. I couldn't open that eye or move it until it was healed. Even now, the muscles are weaker in that eye, so when I am really fatigued, it will drift until the aren't aimed at the same focal point. They eye was fine one evening, but unusable the next, and it was my good eye. It was hell, driving with no depth perception.
I fell down a flight of metal stairs, fractured my skull in three
places, and died. Then spent three days at Zuckerberg.
On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 09:59:00 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:
On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 8:36:48 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
In California, big hospitals are empty and laying off staff.
Yeah, for public health reasons. And, for the health of... staff.
Yeah, let those mammograms and kidney transplants and visits to
pediatricians wait.
The Stanford hospital ($27 billion endowment) is generously allowing
some people to continue working, at a 20% pay cut.
That's an odd decision, but neither illegal nor improper; a lessened
work staff can keep interpersonal space open. The endowment is
not relevant information. Every person or organization can keep
savings at will, in non-communist countries.
Oddly cruel and stupid.
All my employees are on full salary, working or not, because we care
for them and want them to stay with us.
On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 4:03:09 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 27/04/20 20:39, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 2:56:18 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 27/04/20 04:21, dagmargoodboat wrote:
On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 6:49:46 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
I wonder how many deaths have resulted from the lockdowns. People
aren't getting cancer or kidney or heart surgeries or tests. Kids
aren't getting vaccinated. People are in desperate financial
shape, drinking and fighting and maybe suicide.
Suicide is a leading cause of death (47k annually), particularly
among men, and in my area, it has skyrocketed.
I know someone in agonizing pain, but unable to see a doctor. (All
the doctors' practices are closed, or teleconference-only.)
If you need tests or diagnoses, if you happen to fall ill right now,
if you've found a lump and need it looked into, you're screwed.
So do I: my mother yesterday.
Doctor said she should go to A&E, and within an hour she was there.
The A&E waiting room was sparsely packed.
She's home now; I hope she hasn't picked up something and if so won't
pass it on to me. I'll go round and check soon.
What is A&E? In the United States of America it is a Cable TV service
called Arts and Entertainment.
Accident and Emergency: where the ambulances arrive, and patients are
sorted for distribution into the relevant wards, or sent home.
That's like John said, an 'Emergency Room' here, where they triage the
incoming to determine their treatment.
The last time I had to use one I had suffered a Third Nerve Palsy in my right
eye. They did an ultrasound , followed by an MRI to see if there was anything
causing the problem. All of that in under two hours. I made seven visits to
the VA hospital before they decided that it was healing properly. I couldn't
open that eye or move it until it was healed. Even now, the muscles are
weaker in that eye, so when I am really fatigued, it will drift until the
aren't aimed at the same focal point. They eye was fine one evening, but
unusable the next, and it was my good eye. It was hell, driving with no depth
perception.
On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 4:49:12 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 24/04/20 19:04, Ricky C wrote:
On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 9:56:26 AM UTC-4, David Brown
wrote:
Sure, sometimes the answer is clear. All I am saying is that
sometimes it is not.
"Sometimes not" doesn't have much impact on the numbers though,
does it? If someone didn't get sick enough to go to the hospital
and dies in their bed I don't think it is so urgent to count them
as a COVID death or not. If COVID killed them in that case they
probably would have died the next time they got a cold too.
a bunch of Tom's blathering trimmed
What is causing all these non-COVID excess deaths?
There are three broad categories, which I shall label A B C, that
could be contributing to excess deaths that did not get recognised
as having COVID-19 as a confirmed or suspected cause.
A. Highly vulnerable people, who had a mild infection, but which
was sufficient to lead to their death without any obvious symptoms
of COVID-19.
B. Those in which some symptoms had been apparent, but the
certifying doctor was reluctant to put COVID-19 on the certificate
without further evidence â few patients outside hospital will have
been tested, and new regulations mean the certifying doctor does
not have to have seen the patient recently. But there has been
recent encouragement to put âsuspected COVID-19â on the death
certificate, and this could have led to a reduction in the number
in this category.
C. Deaths of people who have not been infected, but whose normal
medical treatment has been disrupted, for example by reluctance to
attend hospital in spite of illness that would normally warrant a
referral or attendance at A&E.
You don't seem to make a point about any of this. The numbers of
these three groups are not likely to be very large compared to the
directly attributable deaths that are easy to count.
If a person is not symptomatic of a COVID-19 infection and died from
that disease, they likely would have died from a slight breeze. It
is hard for me to imagine someone dying of COVID-19 and it not being
visible in any manner. Do you know of any such cases?
If someone dies of COVID-19 and the doctor can't figure out they had
it without a test, then it sounds like it is more in the first
category. The diagnosis of having the disease only takes a simple
test. If the doctor was just to lazy to figure out what the death
was from, then you have bigger problems than worrying about the
COVID-19 numbers. In this country doctors are a bit more particular
than just saying someone died because they stopped breathing.
Here is the part I find most informative...
"Conclusion
It is impossible from the currently available data to determine the
reasons for the substantial spike in excess deaths that do not have
COVID on the death certificate."
So I assume you dispute this part???
Unpleasant.
I suspect, but will never know, that my mother came
home early because she insisted she didn't want to be
in the hospital. She certainly didn't want to go, I
wasn't allowed in to talk to the doctors. Can't argue
with any of that.
In terms of falls, five years ago I forgot there were
steps outside my front door (only used them >20k times!),
realised just too late and decided it was better to
jump than fall.
After landing and tumbling, my knee was at an improper
angle. The paramedics arrived promptly and were amazed
and worried that there was perfect sensation but zero pain.
The next day, Sunday, the surgeons repaired the ruptured
patellar tendon, and after 6 months the leg was pretty
good.
I won't run again, but I've never liked running anyway!
Thank God for the NHS.
Over here the slogan is "Stay home. Protect the NHS.
Save lives", in that order.
It has escaped nobody's attention that the politicians
have been running it down for a decade. My fragrant
(Brexiteer, right wing) MP recently voted against giving
NHS staff a pay rise. I hope that comes back to bite him.
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 5:05:59 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
Unpleasant.
I suspect, but will never know, that my mother came home early because she
insisted she didn't want to be in the hospital. She certainly didn't want
to go, I wasn't allowed in to talk to the doctors. Can't argue with any of
that.
In terms of falls, five years ago I forgot there were steps outside my
front door (only used them >20k times!), realised just too late and decided
it was better to jump than fall.
After landing and tumbling, my knee was at an improper angle. The
paramedics arrived promptly and were amazed and worried that there was
perfect sensation but zero pain. The next day, Sunday, the surgeons
repaired the ruptured patellar tendon, and after 6 months the leg was
pretty good.
I won't run again, but I've never liked running anyway!
Thank God for the NHS.
Over here the slogan is "Stay home. Protect the NHS. Save lives", in that
order.
It has escaped nobody's attention that the politicians have been running it
down for a decade. My fragrant (Brexiteer, right wing) MP recently voted
against giving NHS staff a pay rise. I hope that comes back to bite him.
I had a really bad case of Pneumonia when I was 10 years old. Our family
doctor wanted to put me in the hospital, that day. I didn't want to be in the
hospital, and I didn't want to get behind at school. That was a Friday, after
school. I was told that like it or not, I would go, if it hadn't started to
clear up by Monday. My doctors was very confused on Monday. I had forced all
the fluids out of my lungs over the weekend and he didn't know what to say. I
still had to sit in the bleachers for a month, in Gym class because of it.
On 28/04/20 10:59, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 5:05:59 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner
wrote:
Unpleasant.
I suspect, but will never know, that my mother came home early
because she insisted she didn't want to be in the hospital. She
certainly didn't want to go, I wasn't allowed in to talk to the
doctors. Can't argue with any of that.
In terms of falls, five years ago I forgot there were steps
outside my front door (only used them >20k times!), realised
just too late and decided it was better to jump than fall.
After landing and tumbling, my knee was at an improper angle.
The paramedics arrived promptly and were amazed and worried that
there was perfect sensation but zero pain. The next day, Sunday,
the surgeons repaired the ruptured patellar tendon, and after 6
months the leg was pretty good.
I won't run again, but I've never liked running anyway!
Thank God for the NHS.
Over here the slogan is "Stay home. Protect the NHS. Save
lives", in that order.
It has escaped nobody's attention that the politicians have been
running it down for a decade. My fragrant (Brexiteer, right
wing) MP recently voted against giving NHS staff a pay rise. I
hope that comes back to bite him.
I had a really bad case of Pneumonia when I was 10 years old. Our
family doctor wanted to put me in the hospital, that day. I
didn't want to be in the hospital, and I didn't want to get
behind at school. That was a Friday, after school. I was told
that like it or not, I would go, if it hadn't started to clear up
by Monday. My doctors was very confused on Monday. I had forced
all the fluids out of my lungs over the weekend and he didn't
know what to say. I still had to sit in the bleachers for a
month, in Gym class because of it.
How did you force the fluid out?
I've idly wondered whether "vampire boots" used for
spinal "inversion therapy" would help with draining
the lungs w.r.t. covid, not that I've got any!
You only see those in the porn groups, and they look like something(Not the goth/cosplay vampire boots!)
On 28/04/20 10:59, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 5:05:59 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
Unpleasant.
I suspect, but will never know, that my mother came home early because she
insisted she didn't want to be in the hospital. She certainly didn't want
to go, I wasn't allowed in to talk to the doctors. Can't argue with any of
that.
In terms of falls, five years ago I forgot there were steps outside my
front door (only used them >20k times!), realised just too late and decided
it was better to jump than fall.
After landing and tumbling, my knee was at an improper angle. The
paramedics arrived promptly and were amazed and worried that there was
perfect sensation but zero pain. The next day, Sunday, the surgeons
repaired the ruptured patellar tendon, and after 6 months the leg was
pretty good.
I won't run again, but I've never liked running anyway!
Thank God for the NHS.
Over here the slogan is "Stay home. Protect the NHS. Save lives", in that
order.
It has escaped nobody's attention that the politicians have been running it
down for a decade. My fragrant (Brexiteer, right wing) MP recently voted
against giving NHS staff a pay rise. I hope that comes back to bite him.
I had a really bad case of Pneumonia when I was 10 years old. Our family
doctor wanted to put me in the hospital, that day. I didn't want to be in the
hospital, and I didn't want to get behind at school. That was a Friday, after
school. I was told that like it or not, I would go, if it hadn't started to
clear up by Monday. My doctors was very confused on Monday. I had forced all
the fluids out of my lungs over the weekend and he didn't know what to say. I
still had to sit in the bleachers for a month, in Gym class because of it.
How did you force the fluid out?
I've idly wondered whether "vampire boots" used for
spinal "inversion therapy" would help with draining
the lungs w.r.t. covid, not that I've got any!
(Not the goth/cosplay vampire boots!)
On 28/04/20 14:11, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 7:17:34 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 28/04/20 10:59, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 5:05:59 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
Unpleasant.
I suspect, but will never know, that my mother came home early because
she insisted she didn't want to be in the hospital. She certainly
didn't want to go, I wasn't allowed in to talk to the doctors. Can't
argue with any of that.
In terms of falls, five years ago I forgot there were steps outside my
front door (only used them >20k times!), realised just too late and
decided it was better to jump than fall.
After landing and tumbling, my knee was at an improper angle. The
paramedics arrived promptly and were amazed and worried that there was
perfect sensation but zero pain. The next day, Sunday, the surgeons
repaired the ruptured patellar tendon, and after 6 months the leg was
pretty good.
I won't run again, but I've never liked running anyway!
Thank God for the NHS.
Over here the slogan is "Stay home. Protect the NHS. Save lives", in
that order.
It has escaped nobody's attention that the politicians have been
running it down for a decade. My fragrant (Brexiteer, right wing) MP
recently voted against giving NHS staff a pay rise. I hope that comes
back to bite him.
I had a really bad case of Pneumonia when I was 10 years old. Our family
doctor wanted to put me in the hospital, that day. I didn't want to be in
the hospital, and I didn't want to get behind at school. That was a
Friday, after school. I was told that like it or not, I would go, if it
hadn't started to clear up by Monday. My doctors was very confused on
Monday. I had forced all the fluids out of my lungs over the weekend and
he didn't know what to say. I still had to sit in the bleachers for a
month, in Gym class because of it.
How did you force the fluid out?
I've idly wondered whether "vampire boots" used for spinal "inversion
therapy" would help with draining the lungs w.r.t. covid, not that I've got
any!
(Not the goth/cosplay vampire boots!)
I was laying face down on my bed, with my head and part of my chest hanging
over a trash can as I coughed up gobs of the infection. I was quite sore for
about two weeks afterwards. The coughing moved it, and the pressure from the
mattress reduced the pain.
Interesting.
Recently, and somewhat to my surprise, I have found out
that if you are on a ventilator, lying on your stomach
is better for your lungs.
On 28/04/20 14:11, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 7:17:34 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 28/04/20 10:59, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 5:05:59 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
Unpleasant.
I suspect, but will never know, that my mother came home early because
she insisted she didn't want to be in the hospital. She certainly
didn't want to go, I wasn't allowed in to talk to the doctors. Can't
argue with any of that.
In terms of falls, five years ago I forgot there were steps outside my
front door (only used them >20k times!), realised just too late and
decided it was better to jump than fall.
After landing and tumbling, my knee was at an improper angle. The
paramedics arrived promptly and were amazed and worried that there was
perfect sensation but zero pain. The next day, Sunday, the surgeons
repaired the ruptured patellar tendon, and after 6 months the leg was
pretty good.
I won't run again, but I've never liked running anyway!
Thank God for the NHS.
Over here the slogan is "Stay home. Protect the NHS. Save lives", in
that order.
It has escaped nobody's attention that the politicians have been
running it down for a decade. My fragrant (Brexiteer, right wing) MP
recently voted against giving NHS staff a pay rise. I hope that comes
back to bite him.
I had a really bad case of Pneumonia when I was 10 years old. Our family
doctor wanted to put me in the hospital, that day. I didn't want to be in
the hospital, and I didn't want to get behind at school. That was a
Friday, after school. I was told that like it or not, I would go, if it
hadn't started to clear up by Monday. My doctors was very confused on
Monday. I had forced all the fluids out of my lungs over the weekend and
he didn't know what to say. I still had to sit in the bleachers for a
month, in Gym class because of it.
How did you force the fluid out?
I've idly wondered whether "vampire boots" used for spinal "inversion
therapy" would help with draining the lungs w.r.t. covid, not that I've got
any!
(Not the goth/cosplay vampire boots!)
I was laying face down on my bed, with my head and part of my chest hanging
over a trash can as I coughed up gobs of the infection. I was quite sore for
about two weeks afterwards. The coughing moved it, and the pressure from the
mattress reduced the pain.
Interesting.
Recently, and somewhat to my surprise, I have found out
that if you are on a ventilator, lying on your stomach
is better for your lungs.