UPS: "Do not connect laser printer..."

[krw]

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:35:16 GMT, Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net>
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:56:18 -0700, Joerg wrote:
Meat Plow wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:11:37 -0700, Joerg
Meat Plow wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:55:05 -0700, Joerg

What really wreaks havoc is a printer that has a powerful fuser which
draws short but huge bursts of current. That can cause the inverter
inside the UPS to choke.
chaCHING! Collect your prize at the door.

What did I win? Can one drink it?

How about a bottle of Macallan 1926 single malt?

Nice! But a 1978 Montrachet or a nice bottle of Chateau d'Yquem would
also do

I can get an "almost half-gallon" (1.75L) of Prestige Vodka for $8.99 plus
tax. ;-)

Listerine is $5 at WallyWorld.

 

[krw]

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:59:03 +0000 (UTC), "Geoffrey S. Mendelson"
<gsm@mendelson.com> wrote:

Bob Larter wrote:

You're kidding! Why not?

My guess is that someone thinks you can mix ammonia and various household
items to make a bomb,

Ah, but you can! I did it all the time when I was in high school.
Nitrogen triiodide is fun stuff. ;-)

but what I think happened is that someone who
can't read the Hebrew warnings on the bottle cleaned their toilet with
ammonia and clorox and they had to evacuate the whole neighborhood.

They don't believe in Darwin there either?

Now the most exotic toilet cleaner you can buy is something called
"hot water" (may cham) which is a mild dilution of hydrochloric acid. So mild,
I don't think it will cause skin burns.

Likely a good cleaner, though.

 

[Arfa Daily]

"krw" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:59:03 +0000 (UTC), "Geoffrey S. Mendelson"
gsm@mendelson.com> wrote:

Bob Larter wrote:

You're kidding! Why not?

My guess is that someone thinks you can mix ammonia and various household
items to make a bomb,

Ah, but you can! I did it all the time when I was in high school.
Nitrogen triiodide is fun stuff. ;-)

NTI is WICKED stuff ! We used to make it by mixing a very strong household

cleaner called Handy Andy with pure iodine crystals 'borrowed' from the
biology department. For some reason, the ones there were a lot more pure
than any iodine crystals or liquid derivatives available for theft in the
chemistry department ... Once it had been made, and passed through a filter
paper, we used to put it into corked boiling tubes (bigger than half inch
test tubes), and carry it around the school with us in our inside pockets. A
good splat of the stuff on the floor in the corridor, would just about dry
in a lesson period, to the point where it was unstable. At the end of the
lesson, let the teacher leave the class first ... Oh the bang, and that
luvverly cloud of purple smoke rising to the ceiling, and the crackles
underfoot for days afterward when walking down that corridor. The fun of
laughing at the caretaker and his assistant trying to remove the purple
stain blasted into the surface of the tiles ... Then there was the joy of
making delayed fuses for tuppeny bangers by soaking string in .... potassium
nitrate .... was it ? Tape a couple of inches to the top of a banger, then
set light to it and leave it under a seat at the back of the cinema at the
midnight movie. Plenty of time to return to your own seat before it went
off.

Oh happy happy days. What joyous things we learnt in 'real' schools all
those years ago !

Thanks for reminding me of my mis-spent youth. )

Arfa

 

[krw]

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:49:53 +0100, "Arfa Daily"
<arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:

"krw" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:59:03 +0000 (UTC), "Geoffrey S. Mendelson"
gsm@mendelson.com> wrote:

Bob Larter wrote:

You're kidding! Why not?

My guess is that someone thinks you can mix ammonia and various household
items to make a bomb,

Ah, but you can! I did it all the time when I was in high school.
Nitrogen triiodide is fun stuff. ;-)

NTI is WICKED stuff ! We used to make it by mixing a very strong household
cleaner called Handy Andy with pure iodine crystals 'borrowed' from the
biology department. For some reason, the ones there were a lot more pure
than any iodine crystals or liquid derivatives available for theft in the
chemistry department ...

Hmm, mine was biological grade too, though only because I had no
access to "chemicals" in high school. ;-) I used a 28% solution of
ammonia water I bought by the gallon in a local drug store. About ten
years ago my mother's best friend married a retired pharmacist (can't
get away with anything, forever). He remembered me and once when we
were visiting, my mother asked "what in the world" I did with all that
ammonia water. My mother was ~85 at that time. ;-)

Once it had been made, and passed through a filter
paper, we used to put it into corked boiling tubes (bigger than half inch
test tubes), and carry it around the school with us in our inside pockets. A
good splat of the stuff on the floor in the corridor, would just about dry
in a lesson period, to the point where it was unstable. At the end of the
lesson, let the teacher leave the class first ... Oh the bang, and that
luvverly cloud of purple smoke rising to the ceiling, and the crackles
underfoot for days afterward when walking down that corridor. The fun of
laughing at the caretaker and his assistant trying to remove the purple
stain blasted into the surface of the tiles ... Then there was the joy of
making delayed fuses for tuppeny bangers by soaking string in .... potassium
nitrate .... was it ? Tape a couple of inches to the top of a banger, then
set light to it and leave it under a seat at the back of the cinema at the
midnight movie. Plenty of time to return to your own seat before it went
off.

NTI is soluble in alcohol and perfectly stable as long as it's "wet".
An artist's paint brush and a classroom lock can generate loads of
fun. My senior year, I also had a master key to the interior locks in
the high school. That was fun too.

Oh happy happy days. What joyous things we learnt in 'real' schools all
those years ago !

Yeah. Kids today...

Thanks for reminding me of my mis-spent youth. )

You forgot?

 

[JosephKK]

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:09:04 -0400, Meat Plow <meat@petitmorte.net>
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:56:18 -0700, Joerg
invalid@invalid.invalid>wrote:

Meat Plow wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:11:37 -0700, Joerg
invalid@invalid.invalid>wrote:

Meat Plow wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:55:05 -0700, Joerg
invalid@invalid.invalid>wrote:

What really wreaks havoc is a printer that has a powerful fuser which
draws short but huge bursts of current. That can cause the inverter
inside the UPS to choke.
chaCHING! Collect your prize at the door.

What did I win? Can one drink it?

How about a bottle of Macallan 1926 single malt?


Nice! But a 1978 Montrachet or a nice bottle of Chateau d'Yquem would
also do

I prefer something more on the line of a Roederer Cristal.

Never heard of them before. Don't like the website either.

I have had some fabulous Tattenger bottles though.

 

[JosephKK]

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:59:03 +0000 (UTC), "Geoffrey S. Mendelson"
<gsm@mendelson.com> wrote:

Bob Larter wrote:

You're kidding! Why not?

My guess is that someone thinks you can mix ammonia and various household
items to make a bomb, but what I think happened is that someone who
can't read the Hebrew warnings on the bottle cleaned their toilet with
ammonia and clorox and they had to evacuate the whole neighborhood.

Now the most exotic toilet cleaner you can buy is something called
"hot water" (may cham) which is a mild dilution of hydrochloric acid. So mild,
I don't think it will cause skin burns.

Geoff.

Actually, if you mix household ammonia and household tincture of
iodine you can produce trivial amounts nitrogen tri-iodide. Maybe
enough to break your skin. There are some other chemicals that can be
made as well. However due to the low active concentrations of
household chemicals the yield is extremely poor. More pigheaded
legislation.

 

[JosephKK]

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:23:46 +0100, "Arfa Daily"
<arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:

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"Torn Lawence" <ohmeup@lights.com> wrote in message
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Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:14:04 +0000 (UTC)) it happened
"Geoffrey
S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> wrote in
slrnh68k2q.g9j.gsm@cable.mendelson.com>:

Greegor wrote:
Do inkjet printers handle the simily waveform well?
Inkjet printers use very low power stepper motors to move the head and
paper,
and very tiny heaters to make the ink bubble up.

Epson inkjets do not use heat at all, but piezo elements to push the
ink
out.
Better, allows more more types if ink, and is faster, and allows for
better control
of the droplets.
Yes I have couple of Epsons
But their service sucks as it is non-existing.

I had an Epson. Replacement ink cartridges were cheaper than other
brands
too, because the piezos were permanent parts of the printer and not
built
into the cartridges. I didn't use it often enough, and when the nozzles
clogged up, the printer's life was over.


An Epson printer's life is over the moment you make your first print ....

Bullshit

Your opinion my friend, but there are many many other dissatisfied owners
who would not agree with you ...



I
have lost count of the number of them that I have drop-kicked down the
garden.

Well, do they grow there????

Indeed they do not. They rot gently away, which is the best thing that they
can possibly do ...



The trouble with them is, they are full of features, and cheap, so
every time I wear out an HP after 6 or 7 years, I get enticed into buying
another Epson, thinking that they can't still be in business by being
stupid
enough not to have finally sorted out the irretrievably clogged head
syndrome ... How wrong and stupid *I* continue to be :-\

Na, my oldest Epson is a Stylus Color 460, is older then your HPs,
works OK, apart from a bad contact in the chip socket that requires
re-inserting the big DIL chip every now and then, should
really fix this some time.
But it is noisy.
My Epson R200 is also many years old, end very very quiet.



I think then, that you have been very very lucky. Perhaps the ones you have
are so old that they come from a time when Epson could still build printers
that were not worthless junk, designed to gobble as much ink as they
possibly can, from every cartridge fitted, when the jets on the end of just
one of them, have clogged. In fact, I think you are the first person I have
ever come across, who has not had a bad experience with one (cue hundreds of
lurkers to now come out of the woodwork, protesting what marvellous machines
they are ...)

Arfa

OK then. Count me as well, i have an old Epson color 860 that still
works fine and an Epson R200 as my main printer. Of course i only use
them a little bit. Replaced the inks many times due to finally
running out.

 

[Arfa Daily]

Once it had been made, and passed through a filter
paper, we used to put it into corked boiling tubes (bigger than half inch
test tubes), and carry it around the school with us in our inside pockets.
A
good splat of the stuff on the floor in the corridor, would just about dry
in a lesson period, to the point where it was unstable. At the end of the
lesson, let the teacher leave the class first ... Oh the bang, and that
luvverly cloud of purple smoke rising to the ceiling, and the crackles
underfoot for days afterward when walking down that corridor. The fun of
laughing at the caretaker and his assistant trying to remove the purple
stain blasted into the surface of the tiles ... Then there was the joy of
making delayed fuses for tuppeny bangers by soaking string in ....
potassium
nitrate .... was it ? Tape a couple of inches to the top of a banger, then
set light to it and leave it under a seat at the back of the cinema at the
midnight movie. Plenty of time to return to your own seat before it went
off.

NTI is soluble in alcohol and perfectly stable as long as it's "wet".
An artist's paint brush and a classroom lock can generate loads of
fun. My senior year, I also had a master key to the interior locks in
the high school. That was fun too.

We kept it 'wet' by having it corked into the boiling tube as soon as it was
made. I don't know what the carrier liquid in Handy Andy was, but that was
what was keeping it wet. Whatever it was, quite volatile though, as it
didn't stay wet for long once a dollop had been splatted onto the floor.


How bizarre ! I too had a set of keys in my last year. At the end of the
previous year, we had a hot drinks machine installed in an open area under
our physics block, which was built on 'stilts'. By the side of the machine,
was a door which led to a cellar that backed onto the boiler room. The water
supply for the drinks machine came from in there. At the start of the autumn
term after the long summer holiday, myself and my little gang of
'troublemakers' - well, it seemed like we were at the time, but kindergarten
stuff compared to what you see in the papers and on TV now - were not far
away from the machine when the caretaker unlocked the door to go in and turn
on the water supply. He left the keys in the lock, and one of my 'merry men'
, who is now a senior pilot at one of the biggest airlines in the world,
crept up and removed the whole bunch. Afterward, he was terrified of being
caught with them, so he gave them to me for safe keeping. We had a lot of
fun that year, getting into places we shouldn't have been ...

I bet if I looked through all of my junk, I've still got them somewhere !

Oh happy happy days. What joyous things we learnt in 'real' schools all
those years ago !

Yeah. Kids today...

Thanks for reminding me of my mis-spent youth. )

You forgot?

Well, not really, but it's all been a very long time ago now. You leave
school, go to college, grow up a bit, get married, raise kids, and become a
responsible citizen :-( Then you start to get old, and become a grump,
remembering what a good bloke you were back in the day. Guess I'm close to
slipping into that phase now. Grown up kids look at me like I'm mad when
they see me with an iPod stuck in my lugholes, listening to the likes of
Uriah Heep and Dr John ...

Arfa

 

[Arfa Daily]

I think then, that you have been very very lucky. Perhaps the ones you have
are so old that they come from a time when Epson could still build printers
that were not worthless junk, designed to gobble as much ink as they
possibly can, from every cartridge fitted, when the jets on the end of just
one of them, have clogged. In fact, I think you are the first person I have
ever come across, who has not had a bad experience with one (cue hundreds
of
lurkers to now come out of the woodwork, protesting what marvellous
machines
they are ...)

Arfa


OK then. Count me as well, i have an old Epson color 860 that still
works fine and an Epson R200 as my main printer. Of course i only use
them a little bit. Replaced the inks many times due to finally
running out.

Here's a question. Is it because the Epsons that seem to prevail over long
periods, get only light use, as you say yours do, so only get turned on when
needed ? I think that this has a lot to do with the clogging problems of the
printers that Epson offer these days. I like to have my printer always on
and 'ready to roll'. I can't be doing with waiting 5 minutes while the thing
coughs and wheezes its way to being ready. When I need to print something
out, I need to do it now. The HPs seem to have a proper 'sleep' mode where
the heads 'park' over the seal, as it goes to sleep. The Epsons appear to
just 'stop' with the heads where they were last left. They only seem to park
if you do a full shutdown. IMHO, this is the reason that the heads clog.
Being left out in open space, the ink just dries in the nozzles. Once it has
done, it can take several cleaning cycles to recover them. The fact that
colours cannot be cleaned individually, is a royal pain in the arse, and
leads to huge ink wastage.

OTOH, my current HP is now probably 3+ years old, and has never been turned
off apart from the occasional need to do a full reset, when for some reason
the network has lost it, and it needs to be forced to talk to the router to
get a new IP address allocated.

To be fair to the Epsons that I have owned, I have never had an issue with
their general performance, speed, or print quality. I just find this head
clogging thing, which is a well known problem, sooooo frustrating, to the
point where I just get mad with them, which ain't good for the old
hypertension ...

Arfa

 

[Meat Plow]

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:49:53 +0100, "Arfa Daily"
<arfa.daily@ntlworld.com>wrote:

"krw" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
news:k6jc655igfno0r78d83dnec4s6qfpmkkg2@4ax.com...
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:59:03 +0000 (UTC), "Geoffrey S. Mendelson"
gsm@mendelson.com> wrote:

Bob Larter wrote:

You're kidding! Why not?

My guess is that someone thinks you can mix ammonia and various household
items to make a bomb,

Ah, but you can! I did it all the time when I was in high school.
Nitrogen triiodide is fun stuff. ;-)

NTI is WICKED stuff ! We used to make it by mixing a very strong household
cleaner called Handy Andy with pure iodine crystals 'borrowed' from the
biology department. For some reason, the ones there were a lot more pure
than any iodine crystals or liquid derivatives available for theft in the
chemistry department ... Once it had been made, and passed through a filter
paper, we used to put it into corked boiling tubes (bigger than half inch
test tubes), and carry it around the school with us in our inside pockets. A
good splat of the stuff on the floor in the corridor, would just about dry
in a lesson period, to the point where it was unstable. At the end of the
lesson, let the teacher leave the class first ... Oh the bang, and that
luvverly cloud of purple smoke rising to the ceiling, and the crackles
underfoot for days afterward when walking down that corridor. The fun of
laughing at the caretaker and his assistant trying to remove the purple
stain blasted into the surface of the tiles ... Then there was the joy of
making delayed fuses for tuppeny bangers by soaking string in .... potassium
nitrate .... was it ? Tape a couple of inches to the top of a banger, then
set light to it and leave it under a seat at the back of the cinema at the
midnight movie. Plenty of time to return to your own seat before it went
off.

Oh happy happy days. What joyous things we learnt in 'real' schools all
those years ago !

Thanks for reminding me of my mis-spent youth. )

Arfa

Isn't pure Iodine highly unstable?

 

[Meat Plow]

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:39:46 +0100, "Arfa Daily"
<arfa.daily@ntlworld.com>wrote:

I think then, that you have been very very lucky. Perhaps the ones you have
are so old that they come from a time when Epson could still build printers
that were not worthless junk, designed to gobble as much ink as they
possibly can, from every cartridge fitted, when the jets on the end of just
one of them, have clogged. In fact, I think you are the first person I have
ever come across, who has not had a bad experience with one (cue hundreds
of
lurkers to now come out of the woodwork, protesting what marvellous
machines
they are ...)

Arfa


OK then. Count me as well, i have an old Epson color 860 that still
works fine and an Epson R200 as my main printer. Of course i only use
them a little bit. Replaced the inks many times due to finally
running out.

Here's a question. Is it because the Epsons that seem to prevail over long
periods, get only light use, as you say yours do, so only get turned on when
needed ? I think that this has a lot to do with the clogging problems of the
printers that Epson offer these days. I like to have my printer always on
and 'ready to roll'. I can't be doing with waiting 5 minutes while the thing
coughs and wheezes its way to being ready. When I need to print something
out, I need to do it now. The HPs seem to have a proper 'sleep' mode where
the heads 'park' over the seal, as it goes to sleep. The Epsons appear to
just 'stop' with the heads where they were last left. They only seem to park
if you do a full shutdown. IMHO, this is the reason that the heads clog.
Being left out in open space, the ink just dries in the nozzles. Once it has
done, it can take several cleaning cycles to recover them. The fact that
colours cannot be cleaned individually, is a royal pain in the arse, and
leads to huge ink wastage.

OTOH, my current HP is now probably 3+ years old, and has never been turned
off apart from the occasional need to do a full reset, when for some reason
the network has lost it, and it needs to be forced to talk to the router to
get a new IP address allocated.

To be fair to the Epsons that I have owned, I have never had an issue with
their general performance, speed, or print quality. I just find this head
clogging thing, which is a well known problem, sooooo frustrating, to the
point where I just get mad with them, which ain't good for the old
hypertension ...

Arfa

What about not being a bubble jet printer? Aren't all HP print
cartridges equipped with a bubble jet print head?

Personally I prefer HP and the old Okidata impact printers. Although
Brother does makes a decent line of personal Laser printers priced
well.

I don't personally print enough color to make the cost of carts an
issue for my HP 5550. And being now 4 years old it has never been
problematic.

 

[Nobody]

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:59:03 +0000, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

Now the most exotic toilet cleaner you can buy is something called
"hot water" (may cham) which is a mild dilution of hydrochloric acid.

That's called "Spirit of Salts" in the UK.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

Now the most exotic toilet cleaner you can buy is something called
"hot water" (may cham) which is a mild dilution of hydrochloric acid.

That's called "Spirit of Salts" in the UK.

There's something wrong with hydrochloric acid? I use SnoBol, which -- uh --
"cuts the crap" far better than detergent-only cleaners.

 

[Jupiter Jaq]

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:56:18 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Meat Plow wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:11:37 -0700, Joerg
invalid@invalid.invalid>wrote:

Meat Plow wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:55:05 -0700, Joerg
invalid@invalid.invalid>wrote:

What really wreaks havoc is a printer that has a powerful fuser which
draws short but huge bursts of current. That can cause the inverter
inside the UPS to choke.
chaCHING! Collect your prize at the door.

What did I win? Can one drink it?

How about a bottle of Macallan 1926 single malt?


Nice! But a 1978 Montrachet or a nice bottle of Chateau d'Yquem would
also do

A couple bottles of Chimay Gold, properly handled and stored would
suffice just fine.

OK maybe a case.

 

[FatBytestard]

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:19:04 +0000 (UTC), "Geoffrey S. Mendelson"
<gsm@mendelson.com> wrote:

Since
we print around 5 times a week, the standby current matters more than the
max draw, but I would not want to plug it into a UPS.

Geoff.

If all you print is 5 times a week, and idle current matters that much,
burning a few calories by forcing anyone wanting to do a print job to
walk over and turn on the printer's main switch (zero idle current) and
wait a few minutes for the printer to boot up to its ready point would be
the right way to go.

Then again, it matters not what printer you buy, and you can plug it in
directly since you do not need "protection" for a device you only use 5
times a week, which has no need to be plugged into a UPS to begin with.
Any normal power strip would protect it, and many have RJ45 network
isolation ports as well. If you are using the USB interface, it IS 100%
plug and play and would not need to be plugged in until runtime either.

 

[FatBytestard]

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:35:22 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

My clamp-on amps guesser has a peak hold function. I'll try it out on
some of my LaserJet printers in the office and see what it shows.

Wont you have to open up the IEC power cord and clamp only a single

path?

I also notice that many of these are powered with standard 10A IEC line
cords. How can that be right for a device with such high usage
declarations?

 

[Jupiter Jaq]

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:14:04 +0000 (UTC), "Geoffrey S. Mendelson"
<gsm@mendelson.com> wrote:

Greegor wrote:
Do inkjet printers handle the simily waveform well?

Inkjet printers use very low power stepper motors to move the head and paper,
and very tiny heaters to make the ink bubble up. They run off of low power DC.
The power supply in the printer (or external on most of my inkjets) very happily
converts the output of a UPS to the DC that it needs.

The difference with laser printers is that the toner only sticks to the paper
as long as there is an electrical charge. To keep it falling off of the paper
after a few minutes, it has to be melted onto the paper.

The technical term used is "fused" and the part of the printer is called
a "fuser". They could of as easily called it "ironing" and an "iron", (as in
an iron-on T shirt pattern) but that would have been too simple and
not sound important enough.

Geoff.

Thermal Embedding... wait!

Vulcanization...

Makes the print job live long and prosper, as opposed to...

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/5d00f18600/kootees-in-star-trek-the-reverse-vulcan-greeting

 

[FatBytestard]

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:57:24 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:14:04 +0000 (UTC)) it happened "Geoffrey
S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> wrote in
slrnh68k2q.g9j.gsm@cable.mendelson.com>:

Greegor wrote:
Do inkjet printers handle the simily waveform well?

Inkjet printers use very low power stepper motors to move the head and paper,
and very tiny heaters to make the ink bubble up.

Epson inkjets do not use heat at all, but piezo elements to push the ink out.
Better, allows more more types if ink, and is faster, and allows for better control
of the droplets.
Yes I have couple of Epsons
But their service sucks as it is non-existing.

The problem with Epsons used to be that the print head stayed on the
printer, where HP replaces them with each cartridge.

That may have changed now though, since I haven't bought a printer in
years, and have seen several would be huge advances in detail and color
range capability. I don't know how they spray these days though, or who
the big print engine maker is, or if they all make their own now or what.

Used to be Canon. Seems like there are a lot of different "engines"
out there now though. Tektronix and Xerox still use solid ink methods.
I though most ink jet setups were piezo though by now, since it has such
precise fractional portioning ability.

 

[Jupiter Jaq]

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:24:41 +0100, "Arfa Daily"
<arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Well, not really, but it's all been a very long time ago now. You leave
school, go to college, grow up a bit, get married, raise kids, and become a
responsible citizen :-( Then you start to get old, and become a grump,
remembering what a good bloke you were back in the day. Guess I'm close to
slipping into that phase now. Grown up kids look at me like I'm mad when
they see me with an iPod stuck in my lugholes, listening to the likes of
Uriah Heep and Dr John ...

Arfa

Did they bring you a blunt yet?

 

[Jupiter Jaq]

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:13:35 -0400, Meat Plow <meat@petitmorte.net>
wrote:

Isn't pure Iodine highly unstable?

Only in the hands of the highly unstable.