Uninstall Outhouse Excuse?

[Chuck Harris]

Hi Meirman,

If you are running Netscape, or Mozilla, and you type a control U
character, your news message will appear in its source code. For
instance:

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From: meirman <meirman@invalid.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.binaries.schematics.electronic,sci.electronics.cad,sci.electronics.design,sci.electronics.misc,comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows
Subject: Re: "Upgrade" to SP4 - The Saga Continues
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 12:39:55 -0400
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<bpasmvghlgrokuhnq3kf2f4723drmvs07p@4ax.com> <bkmrba$28a$1@bob.news.rcn.net>
Reply-To: meirman@erols.com
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X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com
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sci.electronics.misc:136246 comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows:214190

In comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows on Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:52:56 -0400
Chuck Harris <cfharris@erols.com> posted:

.... Clipped for brevity...

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This is your news message as it is seen by a "spambot". You will
notice that a whole bunch of email addresses appear in this header
information...ripe for the picking. In anycase, the stories about
spambots only taking from the text of the message is a myth. All
this header information, and the text of the message is just a file
full of text.

-Chuck


meirman wrote:

In comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows on Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:52:56 -0400
Chuck Harris <cfharris@erols.com> posted:


Hi Meirman,

Just so you know, your attempt at spammunging your email address
has been ineffective. It appears in plain clear text in the
"Reply To: " field of your posting. You're going to have to try
a little bit harder.


Thanks, Chuck. I actually knew that. That's why the line at the
bottom only says to change the domain if necessary, because in most
cases, replying will pick up the Reply-to: field.

There was a time when spambots didn't pick up reply-to addresses, I'm
told by someone I pretty much trust. Actually it was someone from
Erols. (Do you read their local newsgroups?) Now more people may be
using the spambots that do pick it up. I say this mostly because I
have gotten spam in which both the addresses were included (even
though only the real address was successful in getting the mail to
me.).

Of course they may have gotten my valid address somewhere else, and
combined it with the invalid one. It seems both Bank of America and
Citibank are giving out email addresses, selling them. I naively
thought I could trust them. But I don't recall offhand if I actually
gave either my email address. Citibank has 1000's of "affiliates" it
seems.

So I'm not sure what to do. I like it when other readers email me
from ng's and I don't want to make it harder on them. And I'm a bit
lethargic. Hmmm?

I appreciate your warning.


-Chuck

meirman wrote:


Meirman

If emailing, please let me know whether
or not you are posting the same letter.

Change domain to erols.com, if necessary.



Meirman

If emailing, please let me know whether
or not you are posting the same letter.

Change domain to erols.com, if necessary.

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:21:33 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
<Jim-T@golana-will-get-you.com> wrote:

Did you remove SP4 and then install SP3 without problems?

Had SP3 installed prior to this, removed it and installed everything
that their update scan wanted to except for SP4.

I ran
across a note on one on MShit's pages saying that removing and
re-installing a service pack is not recommended.

I don't plan to re-install SP4, ever.

What kind of problems were you having with SP4?

Interfering with some security software (which will never be updated
as the company that wrote it is gone) and it seems to have been
responsible for very slow overall performance when some old DOS
programs are running. I have to run SUBST at startup because some
Microchip software can't handle paths to project folders exceeding 63
odd characters, and just the default path alone, without subfolders to
organize project files, is 50+ characters.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[Greg Pierce]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:52:23 -0400, the highly esteemed Chuck Harris
enlightened us with these pearls of wisdom:
<snip>

This is your news message as it is seen by a "spambot". You will
notice that a whole bunch of email addresses appear in this header
information...ripe for the picking. In anycase, the stories about
spambots only taking from the text of the message is a myth. All
this header information, and the text of the message is just a file
full of text.

-Chuck

Which is why I dont put my real email ANYWHERE in a usenet post.
The spambots these days are getting quite clever...
--
Greg

--The software said it requires Win2000 or better, so I installed Linux.

 

[Winfield Hill]

Chuck Harris wrote...

This is your news message as it is seen by a "spambot". You will
notice that a whole bunch of email addresses appear in this header
information...ripe for the picking.

One email address I notice is abuse@rcn.com

Hmm, I wonder how are the admins dealing with hundreds of
thousands of spams? They can't count on every spammer to
edit them out, that requires some real work!

Thanks,
- Win

 

[Russell Shaw]

Greg Pierce wrote:

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:52:23 -0400, the highly esteemed Chuck Harris
enlightened us with these pearls of wisdom:
snip

This is your news message as it is seen by a "spambot". You will
notice that a whole bunch of email addresses appear in this header
information...ripe for the picking. In anycase, the stories about
spambots only taking from the text of the message is a myth. All
this header information, and the text of the message is just a file
full of text.


Which is why I dont put my real email ANYWHERE in a usenet post.
The spambots these days are getting quite clever...

Any script kiddy and its dog can scan webpages and newsmessage
headers for words containing "@" using any of a dozen kinds of
scripts.

 

[Ian Buckner]

"Active8" <mTHISREMOVEcolasono@earthlink.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:MPG.19d8f39ceb243c54989891@news.east.earthlink.net...

In article <TPu4qbPdipCY-pn2-h0rXcRldFuI4@tori>, asavage@iname.com
says...
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:01:22 UTC, Jim Thompson
Jim-T@golana-will-get-you.com> wrote:

Is there a way to go back from IE6 to IE5?

IIRC (and it's been several years since I supported Windoze),
there is
no way to move backward (I mean, install lower version numbered
instances) of IE. I know that this was a problem I researched for
a
client who inadvertantly installed the Active Desktop version of
IE
(4.02?) and didn't like it, and we couldn't revert to his previous
version without a wipe. However, when it comes to 'doze, there's
always
another expert ready to pipe up.


no expert, but i couldn't go backwards, either.

mike

I'm no expert either, so be warned.

A quick google on "uninstall IE6" turned up a number of hits,
including what looked a plausible solution on the Dell help forum.

Regards
Ian

 

[Chuck Harris]

I would guess it has to do with looking for subjects that
don't exactly match the usual classes of spam comeons.

Since most "abuse" emails are supposed to contain an inline
copy of the offending material, I would think they would
very hard to filter with any sort bayesian filtering algorithm.

-Chuck


Winfield Hill wrote:

Chuck Harris wrote...

This is your news message as it is seen by a "spambot". You will
notice that a whole bunch of email addresses appear in this header
information...ripe for the picking.


One email address I notice is abuse@rcn.com

Hmm, I wonder how are the admins dealing with hundreds of
thousands of spams? They can't count on every spammer to
edit them out, that requires some real work!

Thanks,
- Win

 

[Paul Burridge]

On 21 Sep 2003 11:26:43 -0700, You <thorn@dsl-only.net> wrote:

Sorry if you've already checked this, but... I have win2K and IE whatever
the hell (still using Netscape 4.7 for mailer though). A few weeks ago
I was encountering the same problems you mentioned, including a failure
message of one of the three svchost processes. Turns out it was side-
effects of an infection by the MSBlast virus...

I had this too. svchost.exe kept generating errors and this infernal
worm attached itself to three other files in my System directory. The
files couldn't be repaired by NAVG so they had to be deleted. When I
tried to copy replacement fles from another hard disk 'doze wouldn't
let me do so, even as Administrator, access was denied. So I'm now
running an even flakier version of this crap OS than would normally be
the case.
What's Apple stuff like these days?
--

"I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend
to write it." - Winston Churchill

 

[Kevin Aylward]

Paul Burridge wrote:

On 21 Sep 2003 11:26:43 -0700, You <thorn@dsl-only.net> wrote:

Sorry if you've already checked this, but... I have win2K and IE
whatever the hell (still using Netscape 4.7 for mailer though). A
few weeks ago I was encountering the same problems you mentioned,
including a failure message of one of the three svchost processes.
Turns out it was side- effects of an infection by the MSBlast
virus...

I had this too. svchost.exe kept generating errors and this infernal
worm attached itself to three other files in my System directory.

Other than letting your 5 year old children access to your computer,
there is no excuse to succumb to an email based virus. Don't open
attachments. Its that simple.

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

 

[Paul Hovnanian P.E.]

Russell Shaw wrote:

Greg Pierce wrote:
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:52:23 -0400, the highly esteemed Chuck Harris
enlightened us with these pearls of wisdom:
snip

This is your news message as it is seen by a "spambot". You will
notice that a whole bunch of email addresses appear in this header
information...ripe for the picking. In anycase, the stories about
spambots only taking from the text of the message is a myth. All
this header information, and the text of the message is just a file
full of text.


Which is why I dont put my real email ANYWHERE in a usenet post.
The spambots these days are getting quite clever...

Any script kiddy and its dog can scan webpages and newsmessage
headers for words containing "@" using any of a dozen kinds of
scripts.

Use postmaster@mouse-potato.com for a dummy address somewhere in your
message and pollute the spammers database.



--
Paul Hovnanian mailtoaul@Hovnanian.com
note to spammers: a Washington State resident
------------------------------------------------------------------
We are confronted with insurmountable opportunities.
-- Walt Kelly, "Pogo"

 

[qrk]

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:24:46 +0100, Paul Burridge
<pb@osiris1.notthisbit.co.uk> wrote:

On 21 Sep 2003 11:26:43 -0700, You <thorn@dsl-only.net> wrote:

Sorry if you've already checked this, but... I have win2K and IE whatever
the hell (still using Netscape 4.7 for mailer though). A few weeks ago
I was encountering the same problems you mentioned, including a failure
message of one of the three svchost processes. Turns out it was side-
effects of an infection by the MSBlast virus...

I had this too. svchost.exe kept generating errors and this infernal
worm attached itself to three other files in my System directory. The
files couldn't be repaired by NAVG so they had to be deleted. When I
tried to copy replacement fles from another hard disk 'doze wouldn't
let me do so, even as Administrator, access was denied. So I'm now
running an even flakier version of this crap OS than would normally be
the case.
What's Apple stuff like these days?

The newer Apple OS's run under Linux. You also have access to the
Linux command line on the Mac if you do some fiddling. Power PC
processor is quite good. Under the Mac GUI there isn't much support
for engineering programs.

BTW, MSBlast shouldn't have affected any of your OS files. If your
running XP, MSBlast is a bit harder to purge if you do it manually.

BTW for Kevin A., MSBlast isn't an email virus/worm. It hits Windoze
computers thru network connection into port 135. Presently, we're hit
by a port 135 request about 1000 times per day. This is better than
the 2000 times per day when the anti-blaster worm came out.
Pre-blaster days, we would get hit about 10 times per day on port 135.

Mark

 

[Kevin Aylward]

qrk wrote:

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:24:46 +0100, Paul Burridge
pb@osiris1.notthisbit.co.uk> wrote:


The newer Apple OS's run under Linux. You also have access to the
Linux command line on the Mac if you do some fiddling. Power PC
processor is quite good. Under the Mac GUI there isn't much support
for engineering programs.

BTW, MSBlast shouldn't have affected any of your OS files. If your
running XP, MSBlast is a bit harder to purge if you do it manually.

BTW for Kevin A., MSBlast isn't an email virus/worm.

I didn't pay much attention to what particular virus was being
addressed, just making a general comment that I am amazed that people
are so stupid, today, to open attachments without being absolutely sure
they arnt an issue. Maybe 5 years back it was excusable, but its a too
well known an issue nowadays. In OE, I always keep it set so that you
cant open attachments. I specifically have to enable and disable it as
the need arises. I even always keep java scripting off. It the only way
to stop those pop ups.

It hits Windoze

computers thru network connection into port 135. Presently, we're hit
by a port 135 request about 1000 times per day. This is better than
the 2000 times per day when the anti-blaster worm came out.
Pre-blaster days, we would get hit about 10 times per day on port 135.

But anyone not using firewall, again, is a bloody silly billy. Or not
having the semi-automatic windows update enabled so that one is always
up to date with updates. I agree that there are virus that could take
hold due to a Windows f'up irrespective of what you do, but it seems to
me that most infections are because people are driving their car without
even learning how to fill up the window washer bottle.

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

 

[David Brown]

"qrk" <mark@reson.DELETE.ME.com> wrote in message
news:5mu1nvsh7rva2ssehv98nf0v6lhr3acvf7@4ax.com...

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:24:46 +0100, Paul Burridge
pb@osiris1.notthisbit.co.uk> wrote:

On 21 Sep 2003 11:26:43 -0700, You <thorn@dsl-only.net> wrote:

Sorry if you've already checked this, but... I have win2K and IE
whatever
the hell (still using Netscape 4.7 for mailer though). A few weeks ago
I was encountering the same problems you mentioned, including a failure
message of one of the three svchost processes. Turns out it was side-
effects of an infection by the MSBlast virus...

I had this too. svchost.exe kept generating errors and this infernal
worm attached itself to three other files in my System directory. The
files couldn't be repaired by NAVG so they had to be deleted. When I
tried to copy replacement fles from another hard disk 'doze wouldn't
let me do so, even as Administrator, access was denied. So I'm now
running an even flakier version of this crap OS than would normally be
the case.
What's Apple stuff like these days?

The newer Apple OS's run under Linux. You also have access to the
Linux command line on the Mac if you do some fiddling. Power PC

The Apple OS does not have anything to do with Linux. At its heart is a
variant on BSD *nix (like FreeBSD, OpenBSD and NetBSD). This means it is a
*nix, but not Linux.

When you say "Linux command line", I presume you mean the bash shell and
standard *nix command-line programs - and yes, you can run them fine. You
can also run most fine under windows (using Cygwin), but since the latest
Apple OS is a *nix, they are more at home there than under windows. You can
also run X and X programs under Apple OS and Windows - again, it is easier,
faster and more "natural" under Apple OS than Cygwin.

processor is quite good. Under the Mac GUI there isn't much support
for engineering programs.

BTW, MSBlast shouldn't have affected any of your OS files. If your
running XP, MSBlast is a bit harder to purge if you do it manually.

*If* you know what you are doing with windows security, then it can be
configured to be reasonably secure against violent programs trashing your OS
files. But that's only if you don't accept the default settings, and work
through things after installation to plug the major holes.

BTW for Kevin A., MSBlast isn't an email virus/worm. It hits Windoze

MSBlast is not an email virus - it *is* a worm. A worm is by defnition a
program that spreads actively through network connections as you describe.

computers thru network connection into port 135. Presently, we're hit
by a port 135 request about 1000 times per day. This is better than
the 2000 times per day when the anti-blaster worm came out.
Pre-blaster days, we would get hit about 10 times per day on port 135.

MSBlast can use a number of other ports too, although 135 is the main one.
That's also the one crackers attack looking for open windows shares exposed
to the internet.

 

[David Brown]

"Kevin Aylward" <kevin@anasoft.co.uk> wrote in message
news:zfbcb.34$zF1.18@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net...

qrk wrote:
On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:24:46 +0100, Paul Burridge
pb@osiris1.notthisbit.co.uk> wrote:


The newer Apple OS's run under Linux. You also have access to the
Linux command line on the Mac if you do some fiddling. Power PC
processor is quite good. Under the Mac GUI there isn't much support
for engineering programs.

BTW, MSBlast shouldn't have affected any of your OS files. If your
running XP, MSBlast is a bit harder to purge if you do it manually.

BTW for Kevin A., MSBlast isn't an email virus/worm.

I didn't pay much attention to what particular virus was being
addressed, just making a general comment that I am amazed that people
are so stupid, today, to open attachments without being absolutely sure
they arnt an issue. Maybe 5 years back it was excusable, but its a too
well known an issue nowadays. In OE, I always keep it set so that you
cant open attachments. I specifically have to enable and disable it as
the need arises. I even always keep java scripting off. It the only way
to stop those pop ups.

The MSBlaster worm attacks bugs in the Windows OS, not the client program.
It is not reasonable to expect people to have turned off DCOM as a security
measure (although it should have been off as default, and let people who
need it turn it on - the biggest problem with windows (in)security is that
everything is enabled and open by default).

But in general, people should be aware of security problems by now - at
least enough to ask others for help or advice if they don't know how to stop
the biggest holes themselves. However, it is perfectly fair to blame MS for
many problems, simply because they have picked such absurdly virus-friendly
(and spam-friendly) defaults for everything. If you buy a car with an
airbag that is disabled by default, and you crash your car, is it fair to
blame the car company for advertising a car with an airbag when the airbag
did not activate when needed? It most certainly is their fault. On the
other hand, if you didn't have your seatbelt on at the time - that is *your*
fault. Similarly, the default "security zone" for OE being "unrestricted,
let everything in" is MS' fault (changing that to "restricted" is the
biggest step to securing OE), while clicking "yes" to a box asking if you
want to run the attached program is the user's fault.

There is a far better way to stop pop-ups and to secure your browsing,
however - drop IE. Every other browser available is far more secure, and
the big ones (I prefer Opera, but Mozilla and friends are good too) have
features that are years in advance of IE. Opera has an option "open
requested pop-ups only" - you get exactly the pop-ups you want (log-in boxes
and that kind of thing), while everything else is blocked. There is no
excuse for using IE if you are concerned about security, reliability, speed
or usability.

It hits Windoze
computers thru network connection into port 135. Presently, we're hit
by a port 135 request about 1000 times per day. This is better than
the 2000 times per day when the anti-blaster worm came out.
Pre-blaster days, we would get hit about 10 times per day on port 135.


But anyone not using firewall, again, is a bloody silly billy. Or not

I fully agree. I find it almost unbelievable that companies have been hit
by MSBlaster - that means that their firewalls were open to the world on
ports including 135, which is used for windows shares. The world and its
dog could walk in and take what data they want, or write the files they
want - all they have to do is guess a user name and password. However, a
lot of people probably think that if they run XP, they have a firewall,
since it is one of the "new features" (along with things like better
reporting when it crashes) - and no one has told them that a) it is not
enabled by default; b) it's a piss-poor firewall, even compared to other
software firewalls; c) no software firewall on windows can be solid; d) dcom
is still enabled even if you have turned on the XP firewall.

having the semi-automatic windows update enabled so that one is always
up to date with updates. I agree that there are virus that could take

I would never consider having automatic updates from windows. You are
giving away what little control you still have of your machine, and are
signing (cliking) away your rights to use your computer for what you want to
do, rather than for what MS decides to allow you. Good firewall setup
(which generally means buying a hardware firewall and using its defaults
rather than stupidly openning up everything), good email policies and
filtering, and good choice of client software (i.e., not IE) do far more to
protect your systems than any automated patches. Keep up-to-date with
security announcements, and apply updates and patches when *you* need them,
not when MS decides that "in order to improve your security" it has to
disable your chosen mp3 player and force you to use MS Media Player - if you
use XP or W2K SP3 and automated updates you give them the right to do
exactly that.

hold due to a Windows f'up irrespective of what you do, but it seems to
me that most infections are because people are driving their car without
even learning how to fill up the window washer bottle.

It's closer to driving your car without learning how to stop up the holes in
the window washer bottle, but I agree that by now most people should know
that these holes are there.

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

 

[Paul Burridge]

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:18:55 -0700, qrk <mark@reson.DELETE.ME.com>
wrote:

BTW, MSBlast shouldn't have affected any of your OS files. If your
running XP, MSBlast is a bit harder to purge if you do it manually.

I'm running 2kPro., which is NT4, essentially. Norton AVG reported
that the Blaster *had* attacked three seperate System files and they
were all irreprable. They had to be deleted so now various bits of the
OS don't work. For some stupid reason, 'doze won't let me copy over
replacements from another HD so I'm stuck with the problem unless I do
a full re-install and AIUI, I can't do that without trashing all the
apps I have and their settings. :-( It's a pity these bastards can't
find something more useful to do with their spare time.
--

"I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend
to write it." - Winston Churchill

 

[Paul Burridge]

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:47:31 +0100, "Kevin Aylward"
<kevin@anasoft.co.uk> wrote:

I didn't pay much attention to what particular virus was being
addressed, just making a general comment that I am amazed that people
are so stupid, today, to open attachments without being absolutely sure
they arnt an issue.

AFAICS, you don't pay much attention to *anything* before shooting off
with your 2p worth.
*Of course* I know not to open attachments/messages from unknown
sources. When I returned from holiday I had 700 messages to deal with;
the vast majority of them the usual crap. I set about deleting them,
got into the rhythm of key presses for the first 200-300 but then lost
my concentration and pressed either the wrong key or something out of
sequence. *That* was the error that caused the rogue message to open
and execute.


--

"I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend
to write it." - Winston Churchill

 

[Kevin Aylward]

Paul Burridge wrote:

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:47:31 +0100, "Kevin Aylward"
kevin@anasoft.co.uk> wrote:

I didn't pay much attention to what particular virus was being
addressed, just making a general comment that I am amazed that people
are so stupid, today, to open attachments without being absolutely
sure they arnt an issue.

AFAICS, you don't pay much attention to *anything* before shooting off
with your 2p worth.
*Of course* I know not to open attachments/messages from unknown
sources.

Did I say you didnt?

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

 

[Paul Burridge]

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:37:51 +0100, "Kevin Aylward"
<kevin@anasoft.co.uk> wrote:

Paul Burridge wrote:
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:47:31 +0100, "Kevin Aylward"
kevin@anasoft.co.uk> wrote:

I didn't pay much attention to what particular virus was being
addressed, just making a general comment that I am amazed that people
are so stupid, today, to open attachments without being absolutely
sure they arnt an issue.

AFAICS, you don't pay much attention to *anything* before shooting off
with your 2p worth.
*Of course* I know not to open attachments/messages from unknown
sources.

Did I say you didnt?

As good as. You made a generalised observation that people who open
messages without being sure they're safe are "so stupid." Granted -
except in the case where such opening is accidental/unintentional,
which is all too easy when one has a lot of messages to get through in
a short space of time.
--

"I believe history will be kind to me, since I intend
to write it." - Winston Churchill

 

[Kevin Aylward]

Paul Burridge wrote:

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:37:51 +0100, "Kevin Aylward"
kevin@anasoft.co.uk> wrote:

Paul Burridge wrote:
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:47:31 +0100, "Kevin Aylward"
kevin@anasoft.co.uk> wrote:

I didn't pay much attention to what particular virus was being
addressed, just making a general comment that I am amazed that
people are so stupid, today, to open attachments without being
absolutely sure they arnt an issue.

AFAICS, you don't pay much attention to *anything* before shooting
off with your 2p worth.
*Of course* I know not to open attachments/messages from unknown
sources.

Did I say you didnt?

As good as.

Not at all. I gather you missed my comments on "Yes Minister"

You made a generalised observation that people who open
messages without being sure they're safe are "so stupid.

Well, certainly it would be a very stupid thing to do.

" Granted -

except in the case where such opening is accidental/unintentional,

Like an accidental double-click due to too many pints of Guinness, but
then again, my OE settings are such that this wont run the enclosure.

which is all too easy when one has a lot of messages to get through in
a short space of time.

I don't see that as a valid excuse.

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[Paul Burridge]

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:57:47 +0100, "Kevin Aylward"
<kevin@anasoft.co.uk> wrote:

Paul Burridge wrote:

which is all too easy when one has a lot of messages to get through in
a short space of time.

I don't see that as a valid excuse.

I see.
Just as an aside, do you find you frequently experience people trying
to punch you on the nose in pubs after you've had a few Guinnesses?
I can just imagine it. You overhear two blokes talking. One tells the
other that his wife's just left him. You barge in - well-intentioned,
perhaps, but without thinking - and tell him he could win her back if
he used one of these penis enlargement techniques off the Internet.
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