Typical Kike on Gun Control

[Michael A. Terrell]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

**Like any rabid NRA supporter, who is incapable of forming an
individual thought, YOU have no idea what I think.

The problem is that you don't think, and you never will. I don't
belong to the NRA, and I never have. I am a US Army Veteran who
believes in all of our amendments, including the Second Amendment. You
harp about free speech, yet try to deny that right to others.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 4/22/2013 1:31 AM, Michael Moroney wrote:
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> writes:

On 4/21/2013 11:41 AM, Michael Moroney wrote:
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> writes:

**And I will repeat:

The 2nd Amendment was written:

* At a time when reload times were measured in MINUTES, not milliseconds.
* At a time when accuracy of muzzle-loading weapons was inferior to a
bow and arrow.

So, I take it that you believe the Freedom of Speech clause in the First
Amendment only applies to speaking from atop a soapbox at the local park
(no voice amplification), handwritten letters and documents/newspapers/
books printed using a screw press. It does not apply to radio, television,
modern high speed printing presses, the Internet or anything involving
amplification, electronics or any other technology developed since the
late 1700s?


**And there's the rub: Freedom of speech also applies to instructions on
bomb-building, preparation of toxins and other substances, paedophile
materials, along with fear-mongering and hate-inciting materials.

That's not the point. If the 2nd only applies to the technology of the
time of its passage (inaccurate muskets) then, to be consistent, the 1st
can only apply to the technology of the time of its passage. Meaning only
handwritten text, newspapers printed with a screw press and yelling from
atop a box at a street corner.


**Precisely. You may care to note that, despite the 1st Amendment, truly
free speech does not exist in the US.

yawn........................................................................................................................................................................................................

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 4/22/2013 6:14 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:

**And there's the rub: Freedom of speech also applies to instructions on
bomb-building, preparation of toxins and other substances, paedophile
materials, along with fear-mongering and hate-inciting materials.


So, you're a drug making, bomb building pedophile? That's no
surprise.


**You are one ignorant cunt.

You can't stand the truth, so you proudly display your stupidity.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 4/21/2013 1:53 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2013-04-21, Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
**No. That is what YOU think it means. Either way, at the time the 2nd

Wrong. For example, see:

http://constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm

**Liek I said: What YOU think is irrelevant.

So much for your claim of Freedom of Speech.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

**What makes you think that everyone from Australia is insane? What
makes you think that a person who posts common-sense, logic and reason,
is insane?

You're just like Phil Allison, and Bill Sloman. The three of you
give Australia a black eye on Usenet. I rarely see anyone else posting
from Oz.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 4/22/2013 5:59 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 4/20/2013 2:22 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:

**Of course. Equally as moronic as those who defend the NRA and their
gutless politicians they have in their pocket.


Of course, you are a well known loon.


**If pointing out the abject stupidity of US gun control laws (such as
they are), by using logic, reason and common-sense, makes me a "loon",
then I guess you have some serious problems in dealing with plain English.


Why is that it everyone who post from down under is insane? Of
course, 'rageaudio' tells everyone that you are just an opinionated ass.


**I should add that, despite your peculiar insanity, I do not regard ALL
Americans as ignorant, gun loving morons. I reserve those sorts of
comments solely for NRA supporters and George W Bush voters. The other
150 million Americans may well be decent, intelligent people.

You have no clue who I support, so you just act like a monkey and
fling your shit.

 

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:27:33 +1000, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 4/22/2013 1:44 AM, Ramsman wrote:
On 20/04/2013 20:45, Ramsman wrote:
On 20/04/2013 07:06, G. Morgan wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:

People like 'Trevor' are responsible for creating 'Gun free zones'
which are the perfect targets for shooting sprees where no one will
shoot back. He is down under, and has no business spouting off about
gun control in the US.

I just told him the same thing.

I also get tired of Eurotrash bad-mouthing our Constitution. For
Chrissakes, they still have queens, prince's, princesses, and kings
ruling over the moral majority (or would that be the majorities'
morals?).


Please provide a list of European countries where royalty rules.

If you're going to make statements like that with no evidence to back
them up, it doesn't do much for what little credibility you do have.

Ranting is no substitute for reasoned argument.

Once again, please tell use where these countries are that are ruled by
a royal family.

Very few Americans get involved with politics outside of the US, yet the
whole world has a fucking opinion on *our* politics and law. If they
can't vote here, they need to STFU about it. [g][r][n]



Very few Americans know anything about anything outside the US.



**Sad, but true. So much power in the hands of so many ignorant people.
George W Bush is a prime example. A hugely ignorant man, who did much
damage to the planet.

Idiot. What does "outside the US" have to do with the US
Constitution?

 

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 13:10:27 +1000, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 4/22/2013 1:31 AM, Michael Moroney wrote:
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> writes:

On 4/21/2013 11:41 AM, Michael Moroney wrote:
Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> writes:

**And I will repeat:

The 2nd Amendment was written:

* At a time when reload times were measured in MINUTES, not milliseconds.
* At a time when accuracy of muzzle-loading weapons was inferior to a
bow and arrow.

So, I take it that you believe the Freedom of Speech clause in the First
Amendment only applies to speaking from atop a soapbox at the local park
(no voice amplification), handwritten letters and documents/newspapers/
books printed using a screw press. It does not apply to radio, television,
modern high speed printing presses, the Internet or anything involving
amplification, electronics or any other technology developed since the
late 1700s?


**And there's the rub: Freedom of speech also applies to instructions on
bomb-building, preparation of toxins and other substances, paedophile
materials, along with fear-mongering and hate-inciting materials.

That's not the point. If the 2nd only applies to the technology of the
time of its passage (inaccurate muskets) then, to be consistent, the 1st
can only apply to the technology of the time of its passage. Meaning only
handwritten text, newspapers printed with a screw press and yelling from
atop a box at a street corner.


**Precisely. You may care to note that, despite the 1st Amendment, truly
free speech does not exist in the US.

You're a liar, but we all already knew that.

 

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 13:10:58 +1000, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 4/22/2013 6:14 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:

**And there's the rub: Freedom of speech also applies to instructions on
bomb-building, preparation of toxins and other substances, paedophile
materials, along with fear-mongering and hate-inciting materials.


So, you're a drug making, bomb building pedophile? That's no
surprise.


**You are one ignorant cunt.

A perfect example of your best reasoned argument.

 

On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:20:46 -0700, UCLAN <UCLAN@invalid.net> wrote:

On 4/21/2013 3:41 PM, krw@attt.bizz wrote:

On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 11:55:10 -0700, UCLAN<UCLAN@invalid.net> wrote:

On 4/21/2013 7:42 AM, krw@attt.bizz wrote:

I'll assume from the above that you believe that assault weapons are
protected by the Second Amendment.

Define "assault weapon". (this ought to be good for a laugh)

If so, where do you draw the line?

The line is pretty bright, should you care to actually take a few
moments to educate yourself rather than spout the typical leftist
nonsense.

Bazookas? Grenade launchers? A tank parked in my front yard?

Again, you show your complete ignorance of the subject which you rant
on about.

Typical non-answer. Lots of rhetoric, but not even an attempt at an
answer to a simple question. Figures...

Another lying lefty raises his head above the swamp scum.

Still no answer. I figured as much. Just another right-wing circle jerk.

You got your answer. Though it is unfortunate that you're too stupid
to understand it, it's not my problem.

Carry on. Don't hurt yourself.

Brainless twit.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 4/22/2013 11:40 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:

**Like any rabid NRA supporter, who is incapable of forming an
individual thought, YOU have no idea what I think.



The problem is that you don't think, and you never will.

**First you claim to know what I think, then you claim that I don't
think. You don't know what I think.

I don't

belong to the NRA, and I never have.

**Doesn't matter. You parrot their words.

I am a US Army Veteran who

believes in all of our amendments, including the Second Amendment.

**Really?

You "believe in" the 18th Amendment?
You "belive in" the 21st Amendment?

Which is it?

You

harp about free speech, yet try to deny that right to others.

**Do I? When did I do that?

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[Trevor Wilson]

On 4/22/2013 11:46 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 4/22/2013 5:59 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 4/20/2013 2:22 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:

**Of course. Equally as moronic as those who defend the NRA and their
gutless politicians they have in their pocket.


Of course, you are a well known loon.


**If pointing out the abject stupidity of US gun control laws (such as
they are), by using logic, reason and common-sense, makes me a "loon",
then I guess you have some serious problems in dealing with plain English.


Why is that it everyone who post from down under is insane? Of
course, 'rageaudio' tells everyone that you are just an opinionated ass.


**I should add that, despite your peculiar insanity, I do not regard ALL
Americans as ignorant, gun loving morons. I reserve those sorts of
comments solely for NRA supporters and George W Bush voters. The other
150 million Americans may well be decent, intelligent people.


You have no clue who I support,

**You are an NRA supporter. Regardless of your membership status. Your
words betray you. NRA supporters are idiots. Evil idiots.


so you just act like a monkey and

fling your shit.

**No. I deal in facts.


--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 07:32:06 +1000, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 4/22/2013 11:40 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:

**Like any rabid NRA supporter, who is incapable of forming an
individual thought, YOU have no idea what I think.



The problem is that you don't think, and you never will.


**First you claim to know what I think, then you claim that I don't
think. You don't know what I think.

You just proved you can't read or think.

I don't
belong to the NRA, and I never have.


**Doesn't matter. You parrot their words.

Because the NRA spoke the truth doesn't change the fact that it is the
truth.

I am a US Army Veteran who
believes in all of our amendments, including the Second Amendment.


**Really?

You "believe in" the 18th Amendment?
You "belive in" the 21st Amendment?

Which is it?

Idiot. Learn something about the Constitution.

You
harp about free speech, yet try to deny that right to others.


**Do I? When did I do that?

Many times, moron.

 

On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 08:22:46 +1000, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 4/22/2013 11:46 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 4/22/2013 5:59 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 4/20/2013 2:22 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:

**Of course. Equally as moronic as those who defend the NRA and their
gutless politicians they have in their pocket.


Of course, you are a well known loon.


**If pointing out the abject stupidity of US gun control laws (such as
they are), by using logic, reason and common-sense, makes me a "loon",
then I guess you have some serious problems in dealing with plain English.


Why is that it everyone who post from down under is insane? Of
course, 'rageaudio' tells everyone that you are just an opinionated ass.


**I should add that, despite your peculiar insanity, I do not regard ALL
Americans as ignorant, gun loving morons. I reserve those sorts of
comments solely for NRA supporters and George W Bush voters. The other
150 million Americans may well be decent, intelligent people.


You have no clue who I support,

**You are an NRA supporter. Regardless of your membership status. Your
words betray you. NRA supporters are idiots. Evil idiots.


so you just act like a monkey and
fling your shit.


**No. I deal in facts.

Wow! Now *THAT'S* FUNNY!

 

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<krw@attt.bizz> wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 08:22:46 +1000, Trevor Wilson
trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

On 4/22/2013 11:46 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 4/22/2013 5:59 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 4/20/2013 2:22 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:

**Of course. Equally as moronic as those who defend the NRA and
their
gutless politicians they have in their pocket.


Of course, you are a well known loon.


**If pointing out the abject stupidity of US gun control laws (such
as
they are), by using logic, reason and common-sense, makes me a
"loon",
then I guess you have some serious problems in dealing with plain
English.


Why is that it everyone who post from down under is insane? Of
course, 'rageaudio' tells everyone that you are just an opinionated
ass.


**I should add that, despite your peculiar insanity, I do not regard
ALL
Americans as ignorant, gun loving morons. I reserve those sorts of
comments solely for NRA supporters and George W Bush voters. The other
150 million Americans may well be decent, intelligent people.


You have no clue who I support,

**You are an NRA supporter. Regardless of your membership status. Your
words betray you. NRA supporters are idiots. Evil idiots.


so you just act like a monkey and
fling your shit.


**No. I deal in facts.

Wow! Now *THAT'S* FUNNY!

Jeez, is it something in the water?

I am the NRA!

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"Roger Blake" wrote in message
news:20130423122757@news.eternal-september.org...

Trevor clearly does not believe in the natural right to self-defense
that so many of the U.S. founders spoke of and enshrined in the
2nd Amendment, and instead wants to trust government, an
institution historically bathed in the blood of innocents.

As a statist who believes that the fundamental purpose of government is to
PROTECT individual rights -- a point made in the Constitution -- I have no
problem with "reasonable" controls on the ownership and use of weapons. My
definition of "reasonable" pretty much begins and ends with keeping weapons
out of the hands of criminals and the irresponsible. I do not see requiring
background checks on everyone who purchases a weapon as un-reasonable --
unless it can be shown that such checks are ineffective.

People clearly do not "need" assault rifles. But there are lots of things
people don't "need". I'm bothered about outlawing any "unneeded" thing unless
we have a good idea of the consequences. (I have yet to hear a discussion of
the effects of the previous ban on assault weapons.) Too many laws are passed
because they reflect a view of how the world ought to be, rather than how it
actually is.

As for "slippery slopes"... Power tends to draw more power to itself. ANY
regulatory law creates its own slippery slope.

As for the blood of innocents -- let's start with the innocent people killed
in environmental and engineering disasters, due to the greed of business.
Money is power -- or didn't you know that? This country is in the process of
returning power to Big Business, where it resided in the 19th century.

PS: I've been watching "The Rifleman" on MeTV. It's a fascinating program,
with outstanding episodes alternating with appalling garbage (including a
story in which the central dramatic conflict is resolved by an attack by a man
in a bad bear costume). In one episode, Lucas wins a 12ga shotgun in a
contest, which he puts aside for Mark "until he's ready for it". (In this
context, "ready" means knowing how to use it responsibly.) Though this makes
sense, it is out of context, as "rural" children were -- and still are --
taught to use firearms. The teaching is part of the process of learning
responsible use.

 

[G. Morgan]

UCLAN wrote:

I'll assume from the above that you believe that assault weapons are
protected by the Second Amendment.

Yes, they are. I'd also be interested in your definition of an "assault
weapon".

If so, where do you draw the line?
Bazookas? Grenade launchers? A tank parked in my front yard?

All are completely legal to own, if you do the proper paperwork and have
a pile of money.



--

I met a guy today who said he was addicted to brake fluid!
But he says he can stop anytime.

 

[G. Morgan]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 4/20/2013 3:53 PM, G. Morgan wrote:
Who the fuck posted this shit to all these groups? The OP didn't even
cite who the "kike" is.

Newsgroups:
sci.electronics.repair,24hoursupport.helpdesk,alt.sports.football.pro.sd-chargers,alt.engineering.electrical,rec.audio.car

Trevor Wilson wrote:

Face it, the 2nd Amendment was written:

Face it, the 2nd Amendment was written in the United States. If some
Aussie has a problem with it, just don't come here and you'll be just
fine.

I really don't understand why people that are outside of the US think
they are allowed to opine on the 2nd. I don't tell you what kind of
boomerang you can carry.

**We call it: 'Freedom of speech'. An interesting concept you should
learn about.

Freedom of speech? Your diversion noted.

That's not the crux of the issue, it's about why anyone outside of the US
thinks they can opine on our laws and make statements like "time to
change". No... You don't live here and that means you don't get to vote
on it. It's not a human rights issue, so the international community has
no say.

Stupid septic.

Nice sig.


--

I met a guy today who said he was addicted to brake fluid!
But he says he can stop anytime.

 

[Roger Blake]

On 2013-04-22, krw@attt.bizz <krw@attt.bizz> wrote:

Idiot. Learn something about the Constitution.

It's not worth the time and effort to get into pissing matches with
that kind of idiotic statist. I would just put a few counter facts out
there and let him continue to put his foot in his mouth.

First of all, he's not even in the U.S. so by definition has nothing
meaningful to say about the Constitution. He keeps making reference
to "the rest of the Western civilized world" or words to that
effect, and clearly does not realize that the U.S. was intentionally
designed to be different than the rest of the world. We are not
supposed to be like Europe, or for that matter like Australia.

Trevor clearly does not believe in the natural right to self-defense
that so many of the U.S. founders spoke of and enshrined in the
2nd Amendment, and instead wants to trust government, an institution
historically bathed in the blood of innocents. He thinks that the
2nd Amendment is "outdated" because the "situation has changed"
since the 18th century, not understanding that the Bill of Rights
addresses issues related to fundamental human nature which does
*not* change.

He appears to think that the repressive regimes that butchered so
many people were *not* dealing with unarmed/disarmed populations.
(So for example in his mind apparently the millions of Ukranians
that were starved to death by Stalin as secret policemen raided
their villages, stole their harvests, and took all the food in
their homes were permitted to have guns.) History shows us many
examples of what happens to helpless, unarmed populations in the
face of tyrannical governments, and that any government no matter
how "englightened" can turn tyrannical. Instead of taking note of
these obvious warnings, the moron demands to be told the specific
legislation that was used to disarm people! What a maroon!!

When dealing with private-sector thugs and criminals Trevor seems to
think that the police are going to be able to provide protection.
That is a bad joke. What would he do if he were in the U.S. and
a band of armed Obama voters broke into his house wanting his stuff
and his blood? All the police can do is make out the report and
try to catch the perps after the fact, while any surviving family
attends the funeral.

You are never going to convince a guy like that of anything, he is
beyond hope. All you can really do is post some counter information
so that people new to the debate, or on the fence, can see that he
and those like him are in the wrong.

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"Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental
protection... the next world climate summit in Cancun is actually
an economy summit during which the distribution of the world's
resources will be negotiated." -- Ottmar Edenhofer, IPCC
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On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:41:07 -0500, G. Morgan
<sealteam6@osama-is-dead.net> wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 4/20/2013 3:53 PM, G. Morgan wrote:
Who the fuck posted this shit to all these groups? The OP didn't even
cite who the "kike" is.

Newsgroups:
sci.electronics.repair,24hoursupport.helpdesk,alt.sports.football.pro.sd-chargers,alt.engineering.electrical,rec.audio.car

Trevor Wilson wrote:

Face it, the 2nd Amendment was written:

Face it, the 2nd Amendment was written in the United States. If some
Aussie has a problem with it, just don't come here and you'll be just
fine.

I really don't understand why people that are outside of the US think
they are allowed to opine on the 2nd. I don't tell you what kind of
boomerang you can carry.

**We call it: 'Freedom of speech'. An interesting concept you should
learn about.

Freedom of speech? Your diversion noted.

That's not the crux of the issue, it's about why anyone outside of the US
thinks they can opine on our laws and make statements like "time to
change". No... You don't live here and that means you don't get to vote
on it. It's not a human rights issue, so the international community has
no say.

Stupid septic.

Nice sig.

What would you expect from Ron Reaugh? It *is* him.