Turntable skipping--suggestions?

Do you people ever actually listen to records or do you spend your
entire lifetimes adjusting the antiskakting force?

Just set it to the same as the tracking force and listen to some music
of your choice.

Regards,

DAve
 
"spsffan" <spsffannospam@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Do you people ever actually listen to records or do you spend your
entire lifetimes adjusting the antiskakting force?

Just set it to the same as the tracking force and listen to some music
of your choice.
....and it may or may not track properly. I didn't follow this thread but
the proper way to set the anti-skating and tracking force is to use a test
album with highly modulated test tones, like the HFN001 record, and observe
the cartridge output on a scope and adjust for the lowest tracking force
that maintains tracking and the antiskating force that balances the force
for identical tracking on both sides of the groove. Greater traking force
causes excess diamond wear and album wear, too little force can do the same,
only wear the album much more.

Ballparking the tracking and anti-skating may be OK but if you value those
irreplaceable LPs or have an expensive cartridge, you may want to do it
right.

Leonard Caillouet
 
In article <49TZa.1244$Ea.156@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com>, Leonard G.
Caillouet wrote:

album with highly modulated test tones, like the HFN001 record, and observe
the cartridge output on a scope and adjust for the lowest tracking force
Hmm....exept that some of us don't have ocilloscopes (yet).

Ballparking the tracking and anti-skating may be OK but if you value those
irreplaceable LPs or have an expensive cartridge, you may want to do it
right.
In my case the records are irreplaceable...a lot of them Spanish
oldies...by long disbanded (or dead) artists on defunct labels that
haven't been released on cee-dee.

However I don't have the $1,000 to pay for a new scope (I will not buy
that used, unless it's in perfect working order for a reasonably low
price) so I settle for what I can do by eye.

--
Sven Weil
New York City, U.S.A.
 
"Sven Franklyn Weil" <sven@gordsven.com> wrote in message
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In article <49TZa.1244$Ea.156@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com>, Leonard G.
Caillouet wrote:

album with highly modulated test tones, like the HFN001 record, and
observe
the cartridge output on a scope and adjust for the lowest tracking force

Hmm....exept that some of us don't have ocilloscopes (yet).
Then just invest in the test album and do it by ear. You can hear the
mistracking, though with a scope you can see it start before you can hear it
with some cartriges. Just add a little extra tracking force when doing it
by ear. Set the AS force so that when reducing the TF you lose tracking at
the same point on both channels and you will be close enough to assure
minimal wear and tear. Remember, a little estra force to avoid mistracking
is better than too little force and mistracking in terms of wera on styli
and LPs.

Ballparking the tracking and anti-skating may be OK but if you value
those
irreplaceable LPs or have an expensive cartridge, you may want to do it
right.

In my case the records are irreplaceable...a lot of them Spanish
oldies...by long disbanded (or dead) artists on defunct labels that
haven't been released on cee-dee.
Invest in a good cartridge and test album.

However I don't have the $1,000 to pay for a new scope (I will not buy
that used, unless it's in perfect working order for a reasonably low
price) so I settle for what I can do by eye.
Ear, not eye. Or you can take your turtable to any high end audio shop and
they should be able to do it for you correctly. The other part of the
equation is alignment, which on some TT can be a challenge to the
inexperienced. A poorly aligned cartridge can also shorten life of styli
and albums. Any good audio shop will have done hundreds, thousands of
alignments and should be able to get it right. Don't take it to anyone who
says they don't bother with a scope.

Leonard Caillouet

--
Sven Weil
New York City, U.S.A.
 
In article <6XTZa.882$xQ1.849@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com>, Leonard G.
Caillouet wrote:

Then just invest in the test album and do it by ear. You can hear the
Yeah, one of those is no problem.

Just gotta find a place/person who sells them. Probably the hi-end audio
stores around the city might have them. Already started looking on the
web for some leads.

--
Sven Weil
New York City, U.S.A.
 
Try http://www.garage-a-records.com/hifinews.html

"Sven Franklyn Weil" <sven@gordsven.com> wrote in message
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In article <6XTZa.882$xQ1.849@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com>, Leonard G.
Caillouet wrote:

Then just invest in the test album and do it by ear. You can hear the

Yeah, one of those is no problem.

Just gotta find a place/person who sells them. Probably the hi-end audio
stores around the city might have them. Already started looking on the
web for some leads.

--
Sven Weil
New York City, U.S.A.
 
"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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"Harv" <hlaser@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
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I guess ya have to buy that Johnny Winters two album set that has a
blank side on one of the records ;) ..

Just to remind one and all that setting up anti-skating on a blank disk
side
is not the right thing to do if you intend to play records with grooves on
them.
{{Quickly cancelling bids on Johnny Winters two record set with one blank
side }} ..

;) ..

Harv
"Kidding.. just kidding.." ..
 
Until the people upstairs join in the dance! :)

WT

"Asimov" <warpcastgate@-removethis-bbs.juxtaposition.dynip.com> wrote in
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"Buck Frobisher" wrote to "All" (06 Aug 03 23:35:21)
--- on the topic of "Re: Turntable skipping--suggestions?"

A friend had the same problem with bouncy floors when he wanted to dance
with his girl friends. So when he called me (because his roomie spilled
a coke on top of his receiver) I put 4 ring screws in the ceiling and 2
equal lengths of rope threaded through a wide board drilled in each
corner to hold the turntable suspended from the ceiling. It worked like
magic, ultra quiet, didn't swing, and it even looked super cool!


BF> From: "Buck Frobisher" <farside114@hotmail.com
BF> C'mon, guys, Don had the answer waaay back:
BF> ___________________________________________________
BF> Put it on a self attached to a wall. They don't bounce like floors.
BF> ///////////////////////////////////////////////////
BF> The dead giveaway was when he said that if he walks around it skips!
BF> Set it up like it was supposed to be set up and don't fool with the
BF> suspension, it sounds like it's working well.


... This message transmitted on 100% recycled photons.
 
"Buck Frobisher" wrote to "All" (06 Aug 03 23:35:21)
--- on the topic of "Re: Turntable skipping--suggestions?"

A friend had the same problem with bouncy floors when he wanted to dance
with his girl friends. So when he called me (because his roomie spilled
a coke on top of his receiver) I put 4 ring screws in the ceiling and 2
equal lengths of rope threaded through a wide board drilled in each
corner to hold the turntable suspended from the ceiling. It worked like
magic, ultra quiet, didn't swing, and it even looked super cool!


BF> From: "Buck Frobisher" <farside114@hotmail.com>
BF> C'mon, guys, Don had the answer waaay back:
BF> ___________________________________________________
BF> Put it on a self attached to a wall. They don't bounce like floors.
BF> ///////////////////////////////////////////////////
BF> The dead giveaway was when he said that if he walks around it skips!
BF> Set it up like it was supposed to be set up and don't fool with the
BF> suspension, it sounds like it's working well.


.... This message transmitted on 100% recycled photons.
 
I "built" this contraption (hardly fair, it only involves heading to
the lumber yard and the bike shop!) and I have to say, it really does
work great. It seems that the resonance with the wood floors is the
major issue here. After I added some weight to give the proper
tracking to the needle, I am having much less of a problem. Building a
shelf might work better, but this is incredibly easy and effective.
After I get a better matching cartridge and stylus I'll report back.

Thanks again to everyone for your fantastic help.

--Evan


"Paul Temple" <mri@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:DGOYa.4952$BC2.2662@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
This will sound stupid... but it works!

Get a small inner-tube for a kid's bicycle from a bike shop. Place the
tube
on the table top and cut a piece of 3/4" plywood the same size as the
turntable base and place it on top of the tire. Pump up the tire and then
adjust the tire pressure for maximum isolation. You will find that the air
pressure in the tube will be very low and so air leakage over time is not
a
factor. You will need small shims between the plywood and turntable bottom
to level the completed system as the tire will most likely inflate
unevenly
to some degree. If this prototype works, you can then find a way to make
it
pretty.

I used this setup to solve a sympathetic vibration problem caused by an
air
conditioner compressor over 30 feet from the turntable.
The compressor, outside the building next door, was not ours and I was not
allowed to reduce the vibration at its source. I know it sounds
impossible,
but that compressor would actually cause the needle to jump all over the
place. just as you describe, before the inner-tube kludge. The results
were
so good that I set up all the other turntables at the radio station the
same
way. People would laugh at how it was done, but everyone agreed it worked
great.

Paul Temple
Tampa, FL


But if I walk on the floor, even tip-toe, I can send it into paroxysms
of skipping. I have the weight all the way up and the anti-skating to
match. Even with a quarter on top of the head shell I can have
problems! Any ideas? Are there any other adjustments I can make? Do I
looking for suggestions.
 
"EvanInJH" <cubotic13@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8da14fa4.0308130409.5dd6276f@posting.google.com...
I "built" this contraption (hardly fair, it only involves heading to
the lumber yard and the bike shop!) and I have to say, it really does
work great. It seems that the resonance with the wood floors is the
major issue here. After I added some weight to give the proper
tracking to the needle, I am having much less of a problem. Building a
shelf might work better, but this is incredibly easy and effective.
After I get a better matching cartridge and stylus I'll report back.

Thanks again to everyone for your fantastic help.

--Evan
Better than a shelf would be to suspend it from the ceiling. We used to do
this in the 'old days' when turntables were much less well isolated. Back
then, often the 'suspension' was a macrame' project one of our girlfriends
would knot up...but unless there was a floor above, it was effective.

jak
"Paul Temple" <mri@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:DGOYa.4952$BC2.2662@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
This will sound stupid... but it works!

Get a small inner-tube for a kid's bicycle from a bike shop. Place the
tube
on the table top and cut a piece of 3/4" plywood the same size as the
turntable base and place it on top of the tire. Pump up the tire and
then
adjust the tire pressure for maximum isolation. You will find that the
air
pressure in the tube will be very low and so air leakage over time is
not
a
factor. You will need small shims between the plywood and turntable
bottom
to level the completed system as the tire will most likely inflate
unevenly
to some degree. If this prototype works, you can then find a way to
make
it
pretty.

I used this setup to solve a sympathetic vibration problem caused by
an
air
conditioner compressor over 30 feet from the turntable.
The compressor, outside the building next door, was not ours and I was
not
allowed to reduce the vibration at its source. I know it sounds
impossible,
but that compressor would actually cause the needle to jump all over
the
place. just as you describe, before the inner-tube kludge. The results
were
so good that I set up all the other turntables at the radio station
the
same
way. People would laugh at how it was done, but everyone agreed it
worked
great.

Paul Temple
Tampa, FL


But if I walk on the floor, even tip-toe, I can send it into
paroxysms
of skipping. I have the weight all the way up and the anti-skating
to
match. Even with a quarter on top of the head shell I can have
problems! Any ideas? Are there any other adjustments I can make? Do
I
looking for suggestions.
 
Better than a shelf would be to suspend it from the ceiling. We used to do
this in the 'old days' when turntables were much less well isolated. Back
then, often the 'suspension' was a macrame' project one of our girlfriends
would knot up...but unless there was a floor above, it was effective.
Audiophiles had girlfriends? :)
 
"Sven Franklyn Weil" <sven@gordsven.com> wrote in message
news:slrnbjl23n.99u.sven@gordsven.com...
In article <Wwv_a.9915$xQ1.7656@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com>, jakdedert wrote:
Sex, Drugs and Rock & Roll (not necessarily in that order).

Audiophiles listen to rock 'n roll??? ;-)
Your description--not mine.

OTOH, I made my living as an audio professional for over 20 years...first as
sales/service person/manager for a couple of hifi stores, concurrently
designer/installer for car audio systems--and later as an audio engineer (I
hate that term); mostly live 'front of house' mixing groups in the U.S. and
Europe, along with occasional studio projects on both sides of the
pond...didn't just 'listen' to it--helped create/recreate it.

Dunno if that qualifies me as an 'audiophile' or not. I know that I'm not
an 'audiophool....'
<g>

jak

--
Sven Weil
New York City, U.S.A.
 
In article <130820031331334359%news@vintageip.com>, Stephen Worth wrote:
Only the MFSL Dark Side of the Moon.
What's MFSL?

Mobile
Fidelity
Sound
Lab?

--
Sven Weil
New York City, U.S.A.
 
In article <slrnbjle5c.e0g.sven@gordsven.com>, Sven Franklyn Weil
<sven@gordsven.com> wrote:

What's MFSL?

Mobile
Fidelity
Sound
Lab?
Yes

See ya
Steve

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"Sven Franklyn Weil" <sven@gordsven.com> wrote in message
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Of course....the needle is also digging a tiny, but slightly visible
groove in the blank. Can't be good for needle wear either though....
I would think the shiny surface probably causes less wear than the rough
surface of a normal groove. But for the time period involved, I'm pretty
SURE it's not a problem :)

TonyP.
 
"Sven Franklyn Weil" <sven@gordsven.com> wrote in message
news:slrnbjg1a4.urc.sven@gordsven.com...
Hmm....exept that some of us don't have ocilloscopes (yet).

In my case the records are irreplaceable...a lot of them Spanish
oldies...by long disbanded (or dead) artists on defunct labels that
haven't been released on cee-dee.

However I don't have the $1,000 to pay for a new scope (I will not buy
that used, unless it's in perfect working order for a reasonably low
price) so I settle for what I can do by eye.
Do you have a computer with a soundcard installed? If so then get some
*free* oscilloscope program or spectrum analyser program off the net. More
useful than a standard CRO for audio frequencies.

TonyP.
 

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