Trump was right - AGAIN!...

On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 7:45:38 PM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
news:4d48c509-ec22-4cc7...@googlegroups.com:
Sure, you can stop driving your car and heating your home, but you
have no right to ask other people to move AWAY from petrol when
you are not doing it yourself.

You\'re an idiot. I rode a bicycle for the last 29 years. Literally
everywhere. Only bicycle, no car. 11 miles one way to work each day.

Do you have A/C or heating at work or at home. STOP IT. You are using oil or gas indirectly.

I am as small carbon footprint as it gets, and you are as clueless as
it gets.

And you are As Stupid As Stupid Get.
 
On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 2:20:09 PM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 7:09:29 PM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence..org wrote:
Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
news:79822e40-a7c5-4493...@googlegroups.com:
On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:22:46 AM UTC-8, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 8:52:50 AM UTC-8,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 23:02:19 -0800 (PST), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not
depend on the \"kindness\" of Russia:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal
-on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz This was the
typical libtard response to Trump\'s demands that felt
self-defense was an outdated idea:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-de
fense-four-percent/564911/
Yes, he had that annoying habit of being right.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/08/europes-russian-gas-
addiction-under-pressure-as-kremlin-threatens-to-cut-supply/
We have plenty of oil and gas at cost of $20 to $30 in NSea &
GOM, if not being choked off by environmentalist. I know we need
to reduce fossil fuels, but only when there are alternatives.

$150 oil will start demand destructions via recessions. Problem
will be solved one way or another.

Agree with what he said:
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Canceling-Keystone-XL-May-Hav
e-Been-Bidens-Biggest-Blunder.html

Furthermore, killing Keystone XL forces upto 830,000 bpd to pump
into Vancouver, load onto tanker, ship pass Panama, onto Gulf
coast refiners to mix with lighter crude. That\'s making Canadian
oil more expensive than necessary and choking off supply.

Thank you but no thank, Mr. President.

Damn, you are truly stupid, boy!

There was not nor would there not be 830kbpd through your precious
pipeline, you seem to only want to jack off at the mouth about in
order to make the president look bad.

Keystone XL will expand capacity by 830k bpd. Canadian oil producer will match production with pipeline capacity. Without the additional capability, Canadian oil is NOT competitive with others. The link previously provided said \"Bidens-Biggest-Blunder\", not me.

A website labeled oilprice.com isn\'t gong to be sympathetic to any efforts to reduce anthropogenic global warming.
It is sand oil and they are not moving/producing those levels at
all, and UNTIL any said pipeline would have been completed and tested
and the feeder process facility got built (another thing you have no
clue about), they would/will be/ and ARE moving any they produce in
the exact way they have this entire time.

This is aside from the FACT that we are moving AWAY from petrol
wherever we can. You should just grow the fuck up, Lee. You
analysis acumen rests firmly at zero, because you have pre-baised
yourself to be a blame blame blame game TrumpTarded idiot.

Sure, you can stop driving your car and heating your home, but you have no right to ask other people to move AWAY from petrol when you are not doing it yourself.

Of course if you drive an electric car, and use an electrically driven heat pump to heat your home, and make sure that your electricity supply is entirely renewable, you have every right to ask other people to be just as careful. Ed Lee doesn\'t seem to realise that these options exist.

At the moment, the renewable electric supply just means that enough of your suppliers electricity is generated from renewable source to always cover the people who are prepared to pay extra to get their supply labelled as renewable, bu the fact that renewable electricity generators are now the cheapest sources of electricity pretty much guarantees that whole supply will eventually be renewable, even without the nasty side effects of anthropogenic global warming to encourage the switch-over.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 8:14:50 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 2:20:09 PM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 7:09:29 PM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
news:79822e40-a7c5-4493...@googlegroups.com:
On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:22:46 AM UTC-8, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 8:52:50 AM UTC-8,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 23:02:19 -0800 (PST), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not
depend on the \"kindness\" of Russia:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal
-on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz This was the
typical libtard response to Trump\'s demands that felt
self-defense was an outdated idea:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-de
fense-four-percent/564911/
Yes, he had that annoying habit of being right.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/08/europes-russian-gas-
addiction-under-pressure-as-kremlin-threatens-to-cut-supply/
We have plenty of oil and gas at cost of $20 to $30 in NSea &
GOM, if not being choked off by environmentalist. I know we need
to reduce fossil fuels, but only when there are alternatives.

$150 oil will start demand destructions via recessions. Problem
will be solved one way or another.

Agree with what he said:
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Canceling-Keystone-XL-May-Hav
e-Been-Bidens-Biggest-Blunder.html

Furthermore, killing Keystone XL forces upto 830,000 bpd to pump
into Vancouver, load onto tanker, ship pass Panama, onto Gulf
coast refiners to mix with lighter crude. That\'s making Canadian
oil more expensive than necessary and choking off supply.

Thank you but no thank, Mr. President.

Damn, you are truly stupid, boy!

There was not nor would there not be 830kbpd through your precious
pipeline, you seem to only want to jack off at the mouth about in
order to make the president look bad.

Keystone XL will expand capacity by 830k bpd. Canadian oil producer will match production with pipeline capacity. Without the additional capability, Canadian oil is NOT competitive with others. The link previously provided said \"Bidens-Biggest-Blunder\", not me.
A website labeled oilprice.com isn\'t gong to be sympathetic to any efforts to reduce anthropogenic global warming.

It is sand oil and they are not moving/producing those levels at
all, and UNTIL any said pipeline would have been completed and tested
and the feeder process facility got built (another thing you have no
clue about), they would/will be/ and ARE moving any they produce in
the exact way they have this entire time.

This is aside from the FACT that we are moving AWAY from petrol
wherever we can. You should just grow the fuck up, Lee. You
analysis acumen rests firmly at zero, because you have pre-baised
yourself to be a blame blame blame game TrumpTarded idiot.

Sure, you can stop driving your car and heating your home, but you have no right to ask other people to move AWAY from petrol when you are not doing it yourself.
Of course if you drive an electric car, and use an electrically driven heat pump to heat your home, and make sure that your electricity supply is entirely renewable, you have every right to ask other people to be just as careful. Ed Lee doesn\'t seem to realise that these options exist.

I drive a Leaf EV and don\'t have A/C here. But i don\'t dictate what other people do.

> At the moment, the renewable electric supply just means that enough of your suppliers electricity is generated from renewable source to always cover the people who are prepared to pay extra to get their supply labelled as renewable, bu the fact that renewable electricity generators are now the cheapest sources of electricity pretty much guarantees that whole supply will eventually be renewable, even without the nasty side effects of anthropogenic global warming to encourage the switch-over.

You can dream all you want about renewable, but it\'s not ready yet. We are using record among of coal worldwide to replace limited oil and gas. Is that better for (not) global warming?
 
On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 3:22:35 PM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 8:14:50 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 2:20:09 PM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 7:09:29 PM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
news:79822e40-a7c5-4493...@googlegroups.com:
On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:22:46 AM UTC-8, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 8:52:50 AM UTC-8,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 23:02:19 -0800 (PST), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not
depend on the \"kindness\" of Russia:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal
-on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz This was the
typical libtard response to Trump\'s demands that felt
self-defense was an outdated idea:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-de
fense-four-percent/564911/
Yes, he had that annoying habit of being right.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/08/europes-russian-gas-
addiction-under-pressure-as-kremlin-threatens-to-cut-supply/
We have plenty of oil and gas at cost of $20 to $30 in NSea &
GOM, if not being choked off by environmentalist. I know we need
to reduce fossil fuels, but only when there are alternatives.

$150 oil will start demand destructions via recessions. Problem
will be solved one way or another.

Agree with what he said:
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Canceling-Keystone-XL-May-Hav
e-Been-Bidens-Biggest-Blunder.html

Furthermore, killing Keystone XL forces upto 830,000 bpd to pump
into Vancouver, load onto tanker, ship pass Panama, onto Gulf
coast refiners to mix with lighter crude. That\'s making Canadian
oil more expensive than necessary and choking off supply.

Thank you but no thank, Mr. President.

Damn, you are truly stupid, boy!

There was not nor would there not be 830kbpd through your precious
pipeline, you seem to only want to jack off at the mouth about in
order to make the president look bad.

Keystone XL will expand capacity by 830k bpd. Canadian oil producer will match production with pipeline capacity. Without the additional capability, Canadian oil is NOT competitive with others. The link previously provided said \"Bidens-Biggest-Blunder\", not me.
A website labeled oilprice.com isn\'t gong to be sympathetic to any efforts to reduce anthropogenic global warming.

It is sand oil and they are not moving/producing those levels at
all, and UNTIL any said pipeline would have been completed and tested
and the feeder process facility got built (another thing you have no
clue about), they would/will be/ and ARE moving any they produce in
the exact way they have this entire time.

This is aside from the FACT that we are moving AWAY from petrol
wherever we can. You should just grow the fuck up, Lee. You
analysis acumen rests firmly at zero, because you have pre-baised
yourself to be a blame blame blame game TrumpTarded idiot.

Sure, you can stop driving your car and heating your home, but you have no right to ask other people to move AWAY from petrol when you are not doing it yourself.

Of course if you drive an electric car, and use an electrically driven heat pump to heat your home, and make sure that your electricity supply is entirely renewable, you have every right to ask other people to be just as careful. Ed Lee doesn\'t seem to realise that these options exist.

I drive a Leaf EV and don\'t have A/C here. But i don\'t dictate what other people do.

None of us can. But we can make it pretty clear what they ought to do.

At the moment, the renewable electric supply just means that enough of your suppliers electricity is generated from renewable source to always cover the people who are prepared to pay extra to get their supply labelled as renewable, bu the fact that renewable electricity generators are now the cheapest sources of electricity pretty much guarantees that whole supply will eventually be renewable, even without the nasty side effects of anthropogenic global warming to encourage the switch-over.

You can dream all you want about renewable, but it\'s not ready yet.

The current Australia administration is dreaming of keeping the coal mining interests that support it happy by trying to insist that the electricity generating industry doesn\'t shut down it\'s aging coal plants. The electricity-generating industry is looking at it\'s bottom line and investing all it can in building more renewable generating capacity, and absolutely nothing in new fossil-fueled generating capacity. It isn\'t going to become completely renewable overnight - or even in the next decade - but it is starting to invest in the grid storage that it will need when it starts to get close.

Renewable energy is quite as ready as it needs to be. Flyguy seems to think that renewable electricity is too expensive to ever be practical, when it\'s actually too cheap for anything else to be practical as a long-term investment,

> We are using record among of coal worldwide to replace limited oil and gas. Is that better for (not) global warming?

It\'s not good, but that\'s more about increased energy use than any preference for coal-fired generators. If you\'ve got them, you use them until you can install cheaper generating options. It isn\'t good for the planet, but it keeps your consumers happy (until they get flooded out by the consequences of climate change, which is what is happening in the Australian state of New South Wales where I happen to live, right now. Happily my wife and I live a long way above the local flood levels, but lots of others aren\'t as lucky).

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
StupidAs StupidGet <buildbetterbilly@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1a9e8ca3-654f-415d-95ab-162a644885e7n@googlegroups.com:

On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 7:45:38 PM UTC-8,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
news:4d48c509-ec22-4cc7...@googlegroups.com:
Sure, you can stop driving your car and heating your home, but
you have no right to ask other people to move AWAY from petrol
when you are not doing it yourself.

You\'re an idiot. I rode a bicycle for the last 29 years.
Literally everywhere. Only bicycle, no car. 11 miles one way to
work each day.


Do you have A/C or heating at work or at home.

I work from the home, dipshit. Engineering consulting is also
above your comprehension capacity.

> STOP IT.

Fuck you. Go jump off a bridge. See how that works, putz?
Oh that\'s right, you are too clueless to see anything for what it is.

You are
using oil or gas indirectly.

A \"gas turbine\" at a power company is NATURAL GAS, not petrol,
dipshit.

I am as small carbon footprint as it gets, and you are as
clueless as it gets.

And you are As Stupid As Stupid Get.

If indeed you are as clueless as I state, then anything you state
pretty much carries ZERO credibility.

You really are one stupid putz, motherfucker. Now fess up, little
boy... what nym have you posted under in this group traditionally
over the years? IOW, just which asshole are you really? Too much of
a pussy to say, eh?

I say you are a respin alternate poster formerly and currently
referred to as \"FlyTurd\".
 
StupidAs StupidGet <buildbetterbilly@gmail.com> wrote in news:8257353a-
6aef-4f73-9a3e-ec02f4af8bden@googlegroups.com:

You, FFF, should do (commit suicide) so.

You must be another John Dope nym poster.
It is obvious since you also never pose an argument, valid or
otherwise.

Decidedly so, as you could not even get your nym right.

Stupid is as Stupid does, and you do not do much but what you DOO DOO
is extremely stupid. Good job, putz! Not!
 
Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in news:739ddb53-aeae-473c-
a37b-16e3657fd626n@googlegroups.com:

> You can dream all you want about renewable, but it\'s not ready yet.

You can make that pathetic claim all you want, but you are nothing more
than a Trumpanzee idiot spouting non-facts.

The state of Oklahoma, for example generates 35% of their power with
the wind. And that is just the wind, they also utilize other
alternative generation methods.

Essentially, you are about as stupid as it gets.

In the UK, a far more densly populated geographic area, and thereby
harder to populate with wind turbines, they STILL make 24% from it.
See the above statement for what that means for a putz like you and
your lack of grasp of reality. Wake the fuck up, TrumpPutz and pull
your head out of his fat skanky ass.
 
On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 2:13:48 AM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
StupidAs StupidGet <buildbet...@gmail.com> wrote in news:8257353a-
6aef-4f73-9a3e...@googlegroups.com:

You, FFF, should do (commit suicide) so.

You must be another John Dope nym poster.

Yes, we are.

It is obvious since you also never pose an argument, valid or
otherwise.

Decidedly so, as you could not even get your nym right.

Stupid is as Stupid does, and you do not do much but what you DOO DOO
is extremely stupid. Good job, putz! Not!

You are me and I am you (future). We are one and same stupid son of a bitch. FFF CCC
 
On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 2:13:58 AM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in news:739ddb53-aeae-473c-
a37b-16e3...@googlegroups.com:
You can dream all you want about renewable, but it\'s not ready yet.
You can make that pathetic claim all you want, but you are nothing more
than a Trumpanzee idiot spouting non-facts.

The state of Oklahoma, for example generates 35% of their power with
the wind. And that is just the wind, they also utilize other
alternative generation methods.

Essentially, you are about as stupid as it gets.

In the UK, a far more densly populated geographic area, and thereby
harder to populate with wind turbines, they STILL make 24% from it.
See the above statement for what that means for a putz like you and
your lack of grasp of reality. Wake the fuck up, TrumpPutz and pull
your head out of his fat skanky ass.

IamU & UrMe. We are 1 SoB supporter of BidenBB.
 
On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 11:14:50 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 2:20:09 PM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 7:09:29 PM UTC-8, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
news:79822e40-a7c5-4493...@googlegroups.com:
On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:22:46 AM UTC-8, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 8:52:50 AM UTC-8,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 23:02:19 -0800 (PST), Flyguy
soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

NATO countries must invest in their own SELF-DEFENSE, not
depend on the \"kindness\" of Russia:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germanys-dramatic-reversal
-on-defense-explained/ar-AAUEagk?li=BBnb7Kz This was the
typical libtard response to Trump\'s demands that felt
self-defense was an outdated idea:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/trump-nato-de
fense-four-percent/564911/
Yes, he had that annoying habit of being right.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/08/europes-russian-gas-
addiction-under-pressure-as-kremlin-threatens-to-cut-supply/
We have plenty of oil and gas at cost of $20 to $30 in NSea &
GOM, if not being choked off by environmentalist. I know we need
to reduce fossil fuels, but only when there are alternatives.

$150 oil will start demand destructions via recessions. Problem
will be solved one way or another.

Agree with what he said:
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Canceling-Keystone-XL-May-Hav
e-Been-Bidens-Biggest-Blunder.html

Furthermore, killing Keystone XL forces upto 830,000 bpd to pump
into Vancouver, load onto tanker, ship pass Panama, onto Gulf
coast refiners to mix with lighter crude. That\'s making Canadian
oil more expensive than necessary and choking off supply.

Thank you but no thank, Mr. President.

Damn, you are truly stupid, boy!

There was not nor would there not be 830kbpd through your precious
pipeline, you seem to only want to jack off at the mouth about in
order to make the president look bad.

Keystone XL will expand capacity by 830k bpd. Canadian oil producer will match production with pipeline capacity. Without the additional capability, Canadian oil is NOT competitive with others. The link previously provided said \"Bidens-Biggest-Blunder\", not me.
A website labeled oilprice.com isn\'t gong to be sympathetic to any efforts to reduce anthropogenic global warming.

It is sand oil and they are not moving/producing those levels at
all, and UNTIL any said pipeline would have been completed and tested
and the feeder process facility got built (another thing you have no
clue about), they would/will be/ and ARE moving any they produce in
the exact way they have this entire time.

This is aside from the FACT that we are moving AWAY from petrol
wherever we can. You should just grow the fuck up, Lee. You
analysis acumen rests firmly at zero, because you have pre-baised
yourself to be a blame blame blame game TrumpTarded idiot.

Sure, you can stop driving your car and heating your home, but you have no right to ask other people to move AWAY from petrol when you are not doing it yourself.
Of course if you drive an electric car, and use an electrically driven heat pump to heat your home, and make sure that your electricity supply is entirely renewable, you have every right to ask other people to be just as careful. Ed Lee doesn\'t seem to realise that these options exist.

At the moment, the renewable electric supply just means that enough of your suppliers electricity is generated from renewable source to always cover the people who are prepared to pay extra to get their supply labelled as renewable, bu the fact that renewable electricity generators are now the cheapest sources of electricity pretty much guarantees that whole supply will eventually be renewable, even without the nasty side effects of anthropogenic global warming to encourage the switch-over.

Not until the cost of storage is considered as well. 100% renewable energy is going to require massive amounts of storage. We are a long, long way from that being economical.

While we like to think we look at all the facts and decide to do the \"right\" thing, as a group, we tend to respond to market and cost pressures. Renewables will have to be as cheap or at least close to the price of fossil fueled energy before we will switch over completely.

Heck, even then there are significant sources of carbon we may never be able to eliminate, like the release of CO2 from concrete manufacturing. Again, it can be done, but so far, only at huge cost. Electricity is only one part of the equation.

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:27:57 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
....
Of course if you drive an electric car, and use an electrically driven heat pump to heat your home, and make sure that your electricity supply is entirely renewable, you have every right to ask other people to be just as careful. Ed Lee doesn\'t seem to realise that these options exist.

I drive a Leaf EV and don\'t have A/C here. But i don\'t dictate what other people do.
None of us can. But we can make it pretty clear what they ought to do.

Even for EV. Electricity come from something. It\'s mostly coal in China and Nat. Gas in US.

....
We are using record among of coal worldwide to replace limited oil and gas. Is that better for (not) global warming?
It\'s not good, but that\'s more about increased energy use than any preference for coal-fired generators. If you\'ve got them, you use them until you can install cheaper generating options. It isn\'t good for the planet, but it keeps your consumers happy (until they get flooded out by the consequences of climate change, which is what is happening in the Australian state of New South Wales where I happen to live, right now. Happily my wife and I live a long way above the local flood levels, but lots of others aren\'t as lucky).

How is that different from using up the oil and gas while we can, until renewaables are up to speed? Coal is not as efficient energy source and end up with more CO2 than oil and gas. Transporting coal is also energy intensive/expensive as opposed to oil and gas piplines, until they figure out how to do coal pipeline. Choking off Canadian oil in the north and GoM drilling in the south force us to be more reliance on Putin\'s blood oil, and he was counting on it in Ukraine invasion.

Fracking also need lot of water and sand, which is now expensive and in short supply. Shale wells are declining fast. GoM wells are hugely profitable and plentiful.

Disclaimer: I have small positions on RIG (avg cost $2), which more than double in past few weeks. RIG was in the Burger King (BanKrupcy) dollar menu..
 
On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 7:44:50 AM UTC-8, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:27:57 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
...
Of course if you drive an electric car, and use an electrically driven heat pump to heat your home, and make sure that your electricity supply is entirely renewable, you have every right to ask other people to be just as careful. Ed Lee doesn\'t seem to realise that these options exist.

I drive a Leaf EV and don\'t have A/C here. But i don\'t dictate what other people do.
None of us can. But we can make it pretty clear what they ought to do.
Even for EV. Electricity come from something. It\'s mostly coal in China and Nat. Gas in US.

...
We are using record among of coal worldwide to replace limited oil and gas. Is that better for (not) global warming?
It\'s not good, but that\'s more about increased energy use than any preference for coal-fired generators. If you\'ve got them, you use them until you can install cheaper generating options. It isn\'t good for the planet, but it keeps your consumers happy (until they get flooded out by the consequences of climate change, which is what is happening in the Australian state of New South Wales where I happen to live, right now. Happily my wife and I live a long way above the local flood levels, but lots of others aren\'t as lucky).
How is that different from using up the oil and gas while we can, until renewaables are up to speed? Coal is not as efficient energy source and end up with more CO2 than oil and gas. Transporting coal is also energy intensive/expensive as opposed to oil and gas piplines, until they figure out how to do coal pipeline. Choking off Canadian oil in the north and GoM drilling in the south force us to be more reliance on Putin\'s blood oil, and he was counting on it in Ukraine invasion.

Fracking also need lot of water and sand, which is now expensive and in short supply. Shale wells are declining fast. GoM wells are hugely profitable and plentiful.

Disclaimer: I have small positions on RIG (avg cost $2), which more than double in past few weeks. RIG was in the Burger King (BanKrupcy) dollar menu.

Remember DW Horizon?
 
On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 7:59:29 AM UTC-8, StupidAs StupidGet wrote:
On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 7:44:50 AM UTC-8, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:27:57 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
...
Of course if you drive an electric car, and use an electrically driven heat pump to heat your home, and make sure that your electricity supply is entirely renewable, you have every right to ask other people to be just as careful. Ed Lee doesn\'t seem to realise that these options exist.

I drive a Leaf EV and don\'t have A/C here. But i don\'t dictate what other people do.
None of us can. But we can make it pretty clear what they ought to do..
Even for EV. Electricity come from something. It\'s mostly coal in China and Nat. Gas in US.

...
We are using record among of coal worldwide to replace limited oil and gas. Is that better for (not) global warming?
It\'s not good, but that\'s more about increased energy use than any preference for coal-fired generators. If you\'ve got them, you use them until you can install cheaper generating options. It isn\'t good for the planet, but it keeps your consumers happy (until they get flooded out by the consequences of climate change, which is what is happening in the Australian state of New South Wales where I happen to live, right now. Happily my wife and I live a long way above the local flood levels, but lots of others aren\'t as lucky).
How is that different from using up the oil and gas while we can, until renewaables are up to speed? Coal is not as efficient energy source and end up with more CO2 than oil and gas. Transporting coal is also energy intensive/expensive as opposed to oil and gas piplines, until they figure out how to do coal pipeline. Choking off Canadian oil in the north and GoM drilling in the south force us to be more reliance on Putin\'s blood oil, and he was counting on it in Ukraine invasion.

Fracking also need lot of water and sand, which is now expensive and in short supply. Shale wells are declining fast. GoM wells are hugely profitable and plentiful.

Disclaimer: I have small positions on RIG (avg cost $2), which more than double in past few weeks. RIG was in the Burger King (BanKrupcy) dollar menu.
Remember DW Horizon?

I knew someone would bring that up. How can we forget? BP took the hit in Deepwater Horizon. RIG took the hit in memory of Deepwater Horizon. But we cannot keep living in the past. We can\'t get high enough supply without deep water oil. I suggest having preventive containment boom around drilling rigs at all time, not just after an accident. And that is for all existing and new rigs.

Disclaimer: Have financial interest in Deep Water Pusher.
 
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:3ac2d52c-4f01-43bf-8c48-493ea1cc592cn@googlegroups.com:

Not until the cost of storage is considered as well. 100%
renewable energy is going to require massive amounts of storage.
We are a long, long way from that being economical.

Wind generators are direct AC grid attached items. Solar requires
conversion, but not neccesarily storage. Ideally there would be a
storage \"buffer\".

Economical? Have you seen the storms this year. Tornados in
Kentucky in mid December. Freezes in Texas where it rarely happened
before, if ever.

Sure we might take a hit catching up to easy power generation using
fossil fuels as we transition to less pollutive means, but that does
not change the FACT that it is what we need to do.
 
On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 10:44:50 AM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:27:57 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
...
Of course if you drive an electric car, and use an electrically driven heat pump to heat your home, and make sure that your electricity supply is entirely renewable, you have every right to ask other people to be just as careful. Ed Lee doesn\'t seem to realise that these options exist.

I drive a Leaf EV and don\'t have A/C here. But i don\'t dictate what other people do.
None of us can. But we can make it pretty clear what they ought to do.
Even for EV. Electricity come from something. It\'s mostly coal in China and Nat. Gas in US.

Even if from the electric grid, BEVs are so much more efficient than ICE it still releases a lot less carbon into the atmosphere. More importantly, with BEVs you have a choice. Many BEV owners have solar at home which they charge the car from. Renewables will become more prevalent and BEVs will exploit that even if the owner has no home renewable energy sources.


We are using record among of coal worldwide to replace limited oil and gas. Is that better for (not) global warming?
It\'s not good, but that\'s more about increased energy use than any preference for coal-fired generators. If you\'ve got them, you use them until you can install cheaper generating options. It isn\'t good for the planet, but it keeps your consumers happy (until they get flooded out by the consequences of climate change, which is what is happening in the Australian state of New South Wales where I happen to live, right now. Happily my wife and I live a long way above the local flood levels, but lots of others aren\'t as lucky).
How is that different from using up the oil and gas while we can, until renewaables are up to speed? Coal is not as efficient energy source and end up with more CO2 than oil and gas. Transporting coal is also energy intensive/expensive as opposed to oil and gas piplines, until they figure out how to do coal pipeline. Choking off Canadian oil in the north and GoM drilling in the south force us to be more reliance on Putin\'s blood oil, and he was counting on it in Ukraine invasion.

Less so every year as BEVs ascend and ICE falls.


> Fracking also need lot of water and sand, which is now expensive and in short supply. Shale wells are declining fast. GoM wells are hugely profitable and plentiful.

Until the next oil disaster. We always dismiss accidents as being an exception. Deepwater Horizon was an exception because of BP\'s carelessness, it won\'t happen again. Fukushima was an exception because of poor design, that won\'t happen again. The West Fertilizer Company explosion was an accident caused by improper storage of dangerous chemicals, that won\'t happen again. Yet, they continue to happen.

Oil wells are a blight either on land or on water. We need to ramp up renewables and get enough storage online to make it possible to eliminate fossil fuels.

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Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:3ac2d52c-4f01-43bf-8c48-493ea1cc592cn@googlegroups.com:

While we like to think we look at all the facts and decide to do
the \"right\" thing, as a group, we tend to respond to market and
cost pressures. Renewables will have to be as cheap or at least
close to the price of fossil fueled energy before we will switch
over completely.

100% horseshit.

There is still a bar in Denver where the overhead fans are all
operated by a single leather belt that strings through them all.
Back in the days of steam, the cost of conversion to electric was very
expensive, even though electric was far cheaper to make. The hardware
took some time to get implemented.

That is where we are now. We WILL go green. Period. and it should
never be the choice of a horse blindered set of fools like yourself
pissing and moaning about the economy, stupid.
 
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:3ac2d52c-4f01-43bf-8c48-493ea1cc592cn@googlegroups.com:

Heck, even then there are significant sources of carbon we may
never be able to eliminate, like the release of CO2 from concrete
manufacturing. Again, it can be done, but so far, only at huge
cost.

You act like no one sees what is involved but you bean counting
retards caim to be all knowing.

> Electricity is only one part of the equation.

Pissing and moaning about it should NOT be another.
 
On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 12:09:25 PM UTC-5, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Rick C <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:3ac2d52c-4f01-43bf...@googlegroups.com:
Not until the cost of storage is considered as well. 100%
renewable energy is going to require massive amounts of storage.
We are a long, long way from that being economical.

Wind generators are direct AC grid attached items. Solar requires
conversion, but not neccesarily storage. Ideally there would be a
storage \"buffer\".

Not sure what you mean. Wind turbines do not directly generate the 50/60Hz AC required for the grid. The rational speed is far to irregular for that.. The power is converted from AC to DC to AC or sometimes they do a direct AC to AC, but I\'ve not read how that works, it may just be the same AC to DC to AC with a different label.


Economical? Have you seen the storms this year. Tornados in
Kentucky in mid December. Freezes in Texas where it rarely happened
before, if ever.

That\'s simply not true. I attended a football game in Dallas once and had to go home because it was snowing and I didn\'t have clothes warm enough. I guess it depends on your definition of \"rare\". That\'s why we work with averages and other statistical measures of climate. Anecdotal extreme cases are a poor way to measure climate.

--

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Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in
news:d7b52a49-e173-4f42-b33d-f85a427efb25n@googlegroups.com:

How is that different from using up the oil and gas while we can,
until renewaables are up to speed?

NOT \"using it up\" you fucking idiot. Backing the fuck off of it.
Leaving what remains the fuck alone. Damn you are stupid.
 
On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 9:11:33 AM UTC-8, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 10:44:50 AM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:27:57 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
...
Of course if you drive an electric car, and use an electrically driven heat pump to heat your home, and make sure that your electricity supply is entirely renewable, you have every right to ask other people to be just as careful. Ed Lee doesn\'t seem to realise that these options exist.

I drive a Leaf EV and don\'t have A/C here. But i don\'t dictate what other people do.
None of us can. But we can make it pretty clear what they ought to do..
Even for EV. Electricity come from something. It\'s mostly coal in China and Nat. Gas in US.
Even if from the electric grid, BEVs are so much more efficient than ICE it still releases a lot less carbon into the atmosphere. More importantly, with BEVs you have a choice. Many BEV owners have solar at home which they charge the car from. Renewables will become more prevalent and BEVs will exploit that even if the owner has no home renewable energy sources.
We are using record among of coal worldwide to replace limited oil and gas. Is that better for (not) global warming?
It\'s not good, but that\'s more about increased energy use than any preference for coal-fired generators. If you\'ve got them, you use them until you can install cheaper generating options. It isn\'t good for the planet, but it keeps your consumers happy (until they get flooded out by the consequences of climate change, which is what is happening in the Australian state of New South Wales where I happen to live, right now. Happily my wife and I live a long way above the local flood levels, but lots of others aren\'t as lucky).
How is that different from using up the oil and gas while we can, until renewaables are up to speed? Coal is not as efficient energy source and end up with more CO2 than oil and gas. Transporting coal is also energy intensive/expensive as opposed to oil and gas piplines, until they figure out how to do coal pipeline. Choking off Canadian oil in the north and GoM drilling in the south force us to be more reliance on Putin\'s blood oil, and he was counting on it in Ukraine invasion.
Less so every year as BEVs ascend and ICE falls.
Fracking also need lot of water and sand, which is now expensive and in short supply. Shale wells are declining fast. GoM wells are hugely profitable and plentiful.
Until the next oil disaster. We always dismiss accidents as being an exception. Deepwater Horizon was an exception because of BP\'s carelessness, it won\'t happen again. Fukushima was an exception because of poor design, that won\'t happen again. The West Fertilizer Company explosion was an accident caused by improper storage of dangerous chemicals, that won\'t happen again. Yet, they continue to happen.

No, we expect that to happen again. Multi-level containment booms would be far cheaper than the $100B BP spent in cleaning up. The problem was that they were unable to put in booms fast enough. Once they have the containment booms, much of the oil was recovered.

Oil wells are a blight either on land or on water. We need to ramp up renewables and get enough storage online to make it possible to eliminate fossil fuels.

Until then, we still need fossil.
 

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