Trump is over the top with this one

[Rick C]

Trump said that Pence “calls all the governors. And I tell him, I’m a different type of person, and I say, ’Mike, don’t call the governor of Washington. You’re wasting your time with him.”

“Don’t call the woman in Michigan. It doesn’t make any difference what happens,” Trump also said he told Pence, who leads the U.S. response to the coronavirus.

Wow, Trump took Michigan with only 0.23% of the vote to spare. I'm pretty sure he won't win Michigan this time.

Why does he say this kind of stuff? I get that this pandemic was a hard thing to prepare for because even if you expect it to happen "someday", no one thinks it will be today.

But then to distance your support for the citizens of the US who put you in office because you don't like the criticism by the Governor of the state. Trump's opinion of one person in the state means the entire state is slighted when they need support the most.

It is truly mind boggling.

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[Tim Williams]

What's to boggle? He's a patent narcissist. Anyone that doesn't stroke his
ego is enemy. Governor doesn't play ball? Everyone who voted for them must
be bad too. No ventilators for you.

People _absolutely positively_ _do not count_ into his consideration.
People are pawns to play popularity games with. He'll reciprocate praise
when it's given first, but he will never give it unprompted. Narcissists
have no empathy, they don't feel for other people. They don't care if
someone gets injured by their actions, if anything that's a punishment that
they "deserved", and they should've been doing what he told them to do a
long time ago.

I'm not entirely convinced that _all_ his actions can be explained through
the lens of a 6-year-old egoist, but a great many of his actions are
perfectly understandable from such a perspective. Everyone wants
ventilators this month. No, you can't have ventilators. I have all the
ventilators, great ventilators. See it's just a popularity chip. He
assumes everyone else is hording them just as he would. He can only think
of them as status symbols, he has no empathy to understand that they have a
use. It's a numbers game. He needs more, whether or not they're used for
anything at all, and anyone else who wants them must be trying to play him
for a chump.

Tim

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"Rick C" <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7e5a2658-1672-4329-9b66-2d2243f599cb@googlegroups.com...
Trump said that Pence “calls all the governors. And I tell him, I’m a
different type of person, and I say, ’Mike, don’t call the governor of
Washington. You’re wasting your time with him.”

“Don’t call the woman in Michigan. It doesn’t make any difference what
happens,” Trump also said he told Pence, who leads the U.S. response to
the coronavirus.

Wow, Trump took Michigan with only 0.23% of the vote to spare. I'm pretty
sure he won't win Michigan this time.

Why does he say this kind of stuff? I get that this pandemic was a hard
thing to prepare for because even if you expect it to happen "someday", no
one thinks it will be today.

But then to distance your support for the citizens of the US who put you in
office because you don't like the criticism by the Governor of the state.
Trump's opinion of one person in the state means the entire state is
slighted when they need support the most.

It is truly mind boggling.

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[Tom Del Rosso]

Tim Williams wrote:

What's to boggle? He's a patent narcissist. Anyone that doesn't
stroke his ego is enemy. Governor doesn't play ball? Everyone who
voted for them must be bad too. No ventilators for you.

He didn't deny the state anything. He just said he doesn't want to talk
to the governor. Not a problem at all, especially since the states buy
equipment directly and don't need DC to give them anything.

It's actually inappropriate for the governors and others to say most of
what they say about him.

And I know what NPD looks like, up close. I have a brother with 8 of the
9 NPD symptoms. I always saw his personality traits in Bill Clinton, not
Trump. Trump has a massive ego, but the delusion is in the people who
always denied there was anything wrong with Clinton.

 

[Rick C]

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 2:03:26 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

Tim Williams wrote:
What's to boggle? He's a patent narcissist. Anyone that doesn't
stroke his ego is enemy. Governor doesn't play ball? Everyone who
voted for them must be bad too. No ventilators for you.

He didn't deny the state anything. He just said he doesn't want to talk
to the governor. Not a problem at all, especially since the states buy
equipment directly and don't need DC to give them anything.

I'm not sure if you are talking tongue in cheek or if you are serious. Ventilators are in short supply. Trump has finally used the DPA to order GM to produce these. That doesn't mean they will be on the free market. Trump/Pence is in charge now.

The talking bit was his advice to Pence who is directing the Coronavirus response by the feds. So you think this was just a person on a street corner talking about what he would do and not the President giving instructions to the VP?

It's actually inappropriate for the governors and others to say most of
what they say about him.

Inappropriate maybe. Not the truth, hardly. But none of that is relevant and that's the point which you clearly don't get. This is not about petty politics. This is about lives.

And I know what NPD looks like, up close. I have a brother with 8 of the
9 NPD symptoms.

I assume NPD means "narcissistic personality disorder"???

I always saw his personality traits in Bill Clinton, not
Trump. Trump has a massive ego, but the delusion is in the people who
always denied there was anything wrong with Clinton.

Let's see how Trump stacks up...

✔ Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
✔ Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
✔ Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
✔ Exaggerate achievements and talents
✔ Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
✔ Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people
✔ Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior
✔ Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
✔ Take advantage of others to get what they want
✔ Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
✔ Be envious of others and believe others envy them
✔ Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious
✔ Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office

Wow! Trump scores a perfect 13 out of 13. I bet he claims he scores 14 out of 13.

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[Winfield Hill]

Tom Del Rosso wrote...

Tim Williams wrote:
What's to boggle? He's a patent narcissist. Anyone that doesn't
stroke his ego is enemy. Governor doesn't play ball? Everyone who
voted for them must be bad too. No ventilators for you.

He didn't deny the state anything. ...

Medical Vendors Told Not To 'Send Stuff' To Michigan

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-gretchen-whitmer-michigan-coronavirus-feud-
032411002.html



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[Tom Del Rosso]

Winfield Hill wrote:

Tom Del Rosso wrote...

Tim Williams wrote:
What's to boggle? He's a patent narcissist. Anyone that doesn't
stroke his ego is enemy. Governor doesn't play ball? Everyone who
voted for them must be bad too. No ventilators for you.

He didn't deny the state anything. ...

Medical Vendors Told Not To 'Send Stuff' To Michigan

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-gretchen-whitmer-michigan-coronavirus-feud-
032411002.html

A lot of inconsistent claims in that article.

"She said she remained thankful to Pence, with whom she has a "really
good working relationship.""

Fortunately the feds can't order a vendor not to sell, but with
nationalized health care they would have similar powers.

 

[bitrex]

On 3/28/2020 1:55 PM, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

Tim Williams wrote:
What's to boggle? He's a patent narcissist. Anyone that doesn't
stroke his ego is enemy. Governor doesn't play ball? Everyone who
voted for them must be bad too. No ventilators for you.

He didn't deny the state anything. He just said he doesn't want to talk
to the governor. Not a problem at all, especially since the states buy
equipment directly and don't need DC to give them anything.

It's actually inappropriate for the governors and others to say most of
what they say about him.

And I know what NPD looks like, up close. I have a brother with 8 of the
9 NPD symptoms. I always saw his personality traits in Bill Clinton, not
Trump. Trump has a massive ego, but the delusion is in the people who
always denied there was anything wrong with Clinton.

Yes, most Presidents are like that to some degree. What fashion of other
person would actually want the job? Do you want that job? I don't want
that job. If I thought I had all the answers I'd probably go into
politics. Well, I guess I don't/didn't.

 

[bitrex]

On 3/28/2020 1:05 PM, Tim Williams wrote:

What's to boggle? He's a patent narcissist. Anyone that doesn't stroke
his ego is enemy.  Governor doesn't play ball?  Everyone who voted for
them must be bad too.  No ventilators for you.

People _absolutely positively_ _do not count_ into his consideration.
People are pawns to play popularity games with.  He'll reciprocate
praise when it's given first, but he will never give it unprompted.
Narcissists have no empathy, they don't feel for other people.  They
don't care if someone gets injured by their actions, if anything that's
a punishment that they "deserved", and they should've been doing what he
told them to do a long time ago.

I'm not entirely convinced that _all_ his actions can be explained
through the lens of a 6-year-old egoist, but a great many of his actions
are perfectly understandable from such a perspective.  Everyone wants
ventilators this month.  No, you can't have ventilators.  I have all the
ventilators, great ventilators.  See it's just a popularity chip.  He
assumes everyone else is hording them just as he would.  He can only
think of them as status symbols, he has no empathy to understand that
they have a use.  It's a numbers game.  He needs more, whether or not
they're used for anything at all, and anyone else who wants them must be
trying to play him for a chump.

Tim

Yes, that describes Americans pretty well. As an example driving in
Europe and then driving in America again is like going from college back
to second grade.

 

[Flyguy]

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 11:31:57 PM UTC-7, Rick C wrote:

Trump said that Pence “calls all the governors. And I tell him, I’m a different type of person, and I say, ’Mike, don’t call the governor of Washington. You’re wasting your time with him.”

“Don’t call the woman in Michigan. It doesn’t make any difference what happens,” Trump also said he told Pence, who leads the U.S. response to the coronavirus.

Wow, Trump took Michigan with only 0.23% of the vote to spare. I'm pretty sure he won't win Michigan this time.

Why does he say this kind of stuff? I get that this pandemic was a hard thing to prepare for because even if you expect it to happen "someday", no one thinks it will be today.

But then to distance your support for the citizens of the US who put you in office because you don't like the criticism by the Governor of the state.. Trump's opinion of one person in the state means the entire state is slighted when they need support the most.

It is truly mind boggling.

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I live in Washington. I know Inslee. Inslee is a MORON! You are wasting your time talking to him.

 

[bitrex]

On 3/28/2020 1:05 PM, Tim Williams wrote:

What's to boggle? He's a patent narcissist. Anyone that doesn't stroke
his ego is enemy.  Governor doesn't play ball?  Everyone who voted for
them must be bad too.  No ventilators for you.

People _absolutely positively_ _do not count_ into his consideration.
People are pawns to play popularity games with.  He'll reciprocate
praise when it's given first, but he will never give it unprompted.
Narcissists have no empathy, they don't feel for other people.  They
don't care if someone gets injured by their actions, if anything that's
a punishment that they "deserved", and they should've been doing what he
told them to do a long time ago.

I'm not entirely convinced that _all_ his actions can be explained
through the lens of a 6-year-old egoist, but a great many of his actions
are perfectly understandable from such a perspective.  Everyone wants
ventilators this month.  No, you can't have ventilators.  I have all the
ventilators, great ventilators.  See it's just a popularity chip.  He
assumes everyone else is hording them just as he would.  He can only
think of them as status symbols, he has no empathy to understand that
they have a use.  It's a numbers game.  He needs more, whether or not
they're used for anything at all, and anyone else who wants them must be
trying to play him for a chump.

Tim

Another common trait is a person who goes around picking fights and then
cries that it's unfair when someone takes them up on the offer.

 

[Rick C]

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 3:35:00 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

Winfield Hill wrote:
Tom Del Rosso wrote...

Tim Williams wrote:
What's to boggle? He's a patent narcissist. Anyone that doesn't
stroke his ego is enemy. Governor doesn't play ball? Everyone who
voted for them must be bad too. No ventilators for you.

He didn't deny the state anything. ...

Medical Vendors Told Not To 'Send Stuff' To Michigan

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-gretchen-whitmer-michigan-coronavirus-feud-
032411002.html

A lot of inconsistent claims in that article.

"She said she remained thankful to Pence, with whom she has a "really
good working relationship.""

Fortunately the feds can't order a vendor not to sell, but with
nationalized health care they would have similar powers.

Of course they can. That's what the DPA does. It authorizes the federal government to take control of manufacturing which Trump. That means you don't sell to anyone the feds don't approve. In fact, in one of the articles I read a company said they were shipping not to the states, but to the feds directly. I guess they want to put them in strategic reserve.

"We've entered into a number of contracts and as we are getting closer to the date when shipments are supposed to come in, they're getting canceled or they're getting delayed," Whitmer said. "We've been told they're going first to the federal government."

So she is lying? Or the companies are lying? I guess everyone is lying including Trump who told Spence not to talk to "the woman in Michigan".

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[whit3rd]

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 11:03:26 AM UTC-7, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

He didn't deny the state anything. He just said he doesn't want to talk
to the governor. Not a problem at all, especially since the states buy
equipment directly and don't need DC to give them anything.

It's totally a problem. The states cannot ethically be allowed to grab-and-hold
extra resources when needs are critical, and war powers on production
and distribution mean the higher authority (federal) ought to be able
to allocate for the duration of the emergency. The states cannot grab
vital tools and equipment from the other states without federal authority.

So, a federal authority that favors some states is a high-stakes corruption issue.
The president told the head of the COVID-19 task force to snub a state. That's bad.

 

[Rick C]

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 8:05:23 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 11:03:26 AM UTC-7, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

He didn't deny the state anything. He just said he doesn't want to talk
to the governor. Not a problem at all, especially since the states buy
equipment directly and don't need DC to give them anything.

It's totally a problem. The states cannot ethically be allowed to grab-and-hold
extra resources when needs are critical, and war powers on production
and distribution mean the higher authority (federal) ought to be able
to allocate for the duration of the emergency. The states cannot grab
vital tools and equipment from the other states without federal authority.

So, a federal authority that favors some states is a high-stakes corruption issue.
The president told the head of the COVID-19 task force to snub a state. That's bad.

The insane part is that he did it publicly as a statement of his power and a threat to not challenge it. I don't think it could have been said any more clearly. Mob bosses in the movies are seldom so direct.

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[Tom Del Rosso]

Rick C wrote:

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 8:05:23 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 11:03:26 AM UTC-7, Tom Del Rosso
wrote:

He didn't deny the state anything. He just said he doesn't want to
talk to the governor. Not a problem at all, especially since the
states buy equipment directly and don't need DC to give them
anything.

It's totally a problem. The states cannot ethically be allowed to
grab-and-hold extra resources when needs are critical, and war
powers on production
and distribution mean the higher authority (federal) ought to be able
to allocate for the duration of the emergency. The states cannot
grab
vital tools and equipment from the other states without federal
authority.

So, a federal authority that favors some states is a high-stakes
corruption issue. The president told the head of the COVID-19 task
force to snub a state. That's bad.

The insane part is that he did it publicly as a statement of his
power and a threat to not challenge it. I don't think it could have
been said any more clearly. Mob bosses in the movies are seldom so
direct.

If he truly meant it he would not have said it. You can't be so open and
corrupt at the same time. He just doesn't hide his feelings, but it's
only an expression of how he felt. Brutally honest is what he is.

 

[Tom Del Rosso]

whit3rd wrote:

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 11:03:26 AM UTC-7, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

He didn't deny the state anything. He just said he doesn't want to
talk to the governor. Not a problem at all, especially since the
states buy equipment directly and don't need DC to give them
anything.

It's totally a problem. The states cannot ethically be allowed to
grab-and-hold extra resources when needs are critical, and war powers
on production
and distribution mean the higher authority (federal) ought to be able
to allocate for the duration of the emergency. The states cannot
grab
vital tools and equipment from the other states without federal
authority.

So, a federal authority that favors some states is a high-stakes
corruption issue. The president told the head of the COVID-19 task
force to snub a state. That's bad.

It's not a real order. It's an expression of his disdain for her.

He made very clear in a press conference a few days ago that some states
have tried to buy and got outbid by the feds, and he said if they just
call, the feds will drop their bid. Hardly controlling allocation.

 

[Rick C]

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 8:53:11 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

whit3rd wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 11:03:26 AM UTC-7, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

He didn't deny the state anything. He just said he doesn't want to
talk to the governor. Not a problem at all, especially since the
states buy equipment directly and don't need DC to give them
anything.

It's totally a problem. The states cannot ethically be allowed to
grab-and-hold extra resources when needs are critical, and war powers
on production
and distribution mean the higher authority (federal) ought to be able
to allocate for the duration of the emergency. The states cannot
grab
vital tools and equipment from the other states without federal
authority.

So, a federal authority that favors some states is a high-stakes
corruption issue. The president told the head of the COVID-19 task
force to snub a state. That's bad.

It's not a real order. It's an expression of his disdain for her.

He made very clear in a press conference a few days ago that some states
have tried to buy and got outbid by the feds, and he said if they just
call, the feds will drop their bid. Hardly controlling allocation.

Oh, I get it. When Trump said, "Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves," that was a challenge, not a suggestion. Like "give it a try, see how that works. We've got more money than you".

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[Flyguy]

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 6:58:10 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 11:49:47 AM UTC+11, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
Rick C wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 8:05:23 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 11:03:26 AM UTC-7, Tom Del Rosso
wrote:

He didn't deny the state anything. He just said he doesn't want to
talk to the governor. Not a problem at all, especially since the
states buy equipment directly and don't need DC to give them
anything.

It's totally a problem. The states cannot ethically be allowed to
grab-and-hold extra resources when needs are critical, and war
powers on production
and distribution mean the higher authority (federal) ought to be able
to allocate for the duration of the emergency. The states cannot
grab
vital tools and equipment from the other states without federal
authority.

So, a federal authority that favors some states is a high-stakes
corruption issue. The president told the head of the COVID-19 task
force to snub a state. That's bad.

The insane part is that he did it publicly as a statement of his
power and a threat to not challenge it. I don't think it could have
been said any more clearly. Mob bosses in the movies are seldom so
direct.

If he truly meant it he would not have said it. You can't be so open and
corrupt at the same time. He just doesn't hide his feelings, but it's
only an expression of how he felt. Brutally honest is what he is.

Donald Trump has been a bare-faced liar all his life. Brutally honest isn't the right phrase - he's just a bully and he lacks the comprehension to be subtle about it.

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LOL! You idiots are simultaneously saying Pres Trump lies and makes threats - so the threats, then, are lies!!

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 11:49:47 AM UTC+11, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

Rick C wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 8:05:23 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 11:03:26 AM UTC-7, Tom Del Rosso
wrote:

He didn't deny the state anything. He just said he doesn't want to
talk to the governor. Not a problem at all, especially since the
states buy equipment directly and don't need DC to give them
anything.

It's totally a problem. The states cannot ethically be allowed to
grab-and-hold extra resources when needs are critical, and war
powers on production
and distribution mean the higher authority (federal) ought to be able
to allocate for the duration of the emergency. The states cannot
grab
vital tools and equipment from the other states without federal
authority.

So, a federal authority that favors some states is a high-stakes
corruption issue. The president told the head of the COVID-19 task
force to snub a state. That's bad.

The insane part is that he did it publicly as a statement of his
power and a threat to not challenge it. I don't think it could have
been said any more clearly. Mob bosses in the movies are seldom so
direct.

If he truly meant it he would not have said it. You can't be so open and
corrupt at the same time. He just doesn't hide his feelings, but it's
only an expression of how he felt. Brutally honest is what he is.

Donald Trump has been a bare-faced liar all his life. Brutally honest isn't the right phrase - he's just a bully and he lacks the comprehension to be subtle about it.

--
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[whit3rd]

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 5:49:47 PM UTC-7, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

Rick C wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 8:05:23 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:

...The president told the head of the COVID-19 task
force to snub a state. That's bad.

If he truly meant it he would not have said it. You can't be so open and
corrupt at the same time.

False.

 

[John Robertson]

On 2020/03/28 5:53 p.m., Tom Del Rosso wrote:

whit3rd wrote:
On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 11:03:26 AM UTC-7, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

He didn't deny the state anything. He just said he doesn't want to
talk to the governor. Not a problem at all, especially since the
states buy equipment directly and don't need DC to give them
anything.

It's totally a problem. The states cannot ethically be allowed to
grab-and-hold extra resources when needs are critical, and war powers
on production
and distribution mean the higher authority (federal) ought to be able
to allocate for the duration of the emergency. The states cannot
grab
vital tools and equipment from the other states without federal
authority.

So, a federal authority that favors some states is a high-stakes
corruption issue. The president told the head of the COVID-19 task
force to snub a state. That's bad.

It's not a real order. It's an expression of his disdain for her.

He made very clear in a press conference a few days ago that some states
have tried to buy and got outbid by the feds, and he said if they just
call, the feds will drop their bid. Hardly controlling allocation.

Yeah, they only have to call and say what a good job he is doing, then
they would get the discount.

Corrupt.

He added a rider to the Senate bill removing the oversight committee
from the spending, and thus removing the blockage to Trump businesses
getting funded by this bill.

Massively corrupt.

Any banana republic leader would mask it better.

John