Trucker Preferential Treatment...

[Rick C]

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:30:49 PM UTC-5, Rick C wrote:

I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker\'s rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

Seems like the truckers blocking the bridge between the US and Canada has been cleared. I guess those truckers won\'t be carrying any goods for a while. Who knows what it will take to get their rigs back once they are out of jail.

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[bitrex]

On 2/10/2022 9:07 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker\'s rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

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For a practical matter, there\'s a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.

There\'s a shortage of truckers in part because the job doesn\'t pay
nearly as much or is nearly as secure as it once was.

Average age of a long-haul truck driver in the US is something like 53
why are the kids these days not getting into the field, because they
figure the pay for newbies is TOO GOOD and they all hate money and
protesting pays better? ????

Yeah maybe but I don\'t think that\'s the reason.

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

fredag den 11. februar 2022 kl. 03.28.43 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:36:12 PM UTC-5, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
fredag den 11. februar 2022 kl. 02.30.49 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker\'s rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities.. No?

I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.
if you think running over people or blowing up truckers is ok, you must not be very good with common sense either

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-running-over-protesters-blo-idUSKBN23B39U
Your reading of my post would seem to show a lack of comprehension. Where did I say anything about it being ok with *me* to \"blow up\" truckers\' rigs??? I\'m asking about the law.

\"Under the law’s provisions, those driving on a road or highway while a protest is occurring are granted civil immunity protections if they drive their vehicles into the crowd, causing harm to those taking part in the demonstration. This is similar to an Oklahoma law that was recently passed by the state legislature, which also provides protections for drivers who use their vehicles to harm groups exercising their First Amendment rights of speech and assembly.\"

So there are states where it seems to be ok in at least a civil sense to run over protesters.

\"Under the law’s provisions, those driving on a road or highway while a protest is occurring are granted civil immunity protections if they drive their vehicles into the crowd, causing harm to those taking part in the demonstration. This is similar to an Oklahoma law that was recently passed by the state legislature, which also provides protections for drivers who use their vehicles to harm groups exercising their First Amendment rights of speech and assembly.\"

https://truthout.org/articles/desantis-signs-bill-giving-vehicle-drivers-civil-protections-to-hit-protesters/

Or perhaps this web site is misinterpreting the laws in those two states? I\'m willing to bet those laws are not Constitutional and would be struck down in an appropriate case.

So maybe it is not \"ok\" to blow up truckers\' rigs, but clearly it would be \"ok\" to run them over once outside their vehicles. That\'s the law in Florida!

the passage from the Oklahoma law:
\"
1. The injury or death of the individual occurred while the
motor vehicle operator was fleeing from a riot, as defined in
Section 1311 of Title 21 of the Oklahoma Statutes, under a
reasonable belief that fleeing was necessary to protect the motor
vehicle operator from serious injury or death; and
2. The motor vehicle operator exercised due care at the time of
the death or injury.
\"
I can\'t find the Florida law but I suspect it is similar

 

[Dean Hoffman]

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:15:21 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 9:07:23 PM UTC-5, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker\'s rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

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For a practical matter, there\'s a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.
But how much good are truckers if they block roads instead of hauling goods over them?

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Truckers would probably have better stories to tell during a poker game
than ordinary protestors. There are pulling contests for semis similar to
tractor pulls.
Remember C.W. McCall and \"Convoy\"?
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdTQb_IHbt8>

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 11-Feb-22 12:30 pm, Rick C wrote:

I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker\'s rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

Seems a bit drastic. It should be simple enough to arrest the truckers
and drive the trucks away. If this is not happening, it must be a
political decision.

Sylvia.

 

[server]

On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
<deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker\'s rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

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For a practical matter, there\'s a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.

Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.



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[John Doe]

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over
protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should
be ok to blow up trucker\'s rigs if they are used to block roads and shut
down cities. No?

I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

You are good at promoting false premises. By corollary. Ad nauseam.

 

[Rick C]

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 9:42:49 PM UTC-5, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:

fredag den 11. februar 2022 kl. 03.28.43 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:36:12 PM UTC-5, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
fredag den 11. februar 2022 kl. 02.30.49 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker\'s rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.
if you think running over people or blowing up truckers is ok, you must not be very good with common sense either

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-running-over-protesters-blo-idUSKBN23B39U
Your reading of my post would seem to show a lack of comprehension. Where did I say anything about it being ok with *me* to \"blow up\" truckers\' rigs??? I\'m asking about the law.

\"Under the law’s provisions, those driving on a road or highway while a protest is occurring are granted civil immunity protections if they drive their vehicles into the crowd, causing harm to those taking part in the demonstration. This is similar to an Oklahoma law that was recently passed by the state legislature, which also provides protections for drivers who use their vehicles to harm groups exercising their First Amendment rights of speech and assembly.\"

So there are states where it seems to be ok in at least a civil sense to run over protesters.

\"Under the law’s provisions, those driving on a road or highway while a protest is occurring are granted civil immunity protections if they drive their vehicles into the crowd, causing harm to those taking part in the demonstration. This is similar to an Oklahoma law that was recently passed by the state legislature, which also provides protections for drivers who use their vehicles to harm groups exercising their First Amendment rights of speech and assembly.\"

https://truthout.org/articles/desantis-signs-bill-giving-vehicle-drivers-civil-protections-to-hit-protesters/

Or perhaps this web site is misinterpreting the laws in those two states? I\'m willing to bet those laws are not Constitutional and would be struck down in an appropriate case.

So maybe it is not \"ok\" to blow up truckers\' rigs, but clearly it would be \"ok\" to run them over once outside their vehicles. That\'s the law in Florida!

the passage from the Oklahoma law:
\"
1. The injury or death of the individual occurred while the
motor vehicle operator was fleeing from a riot, as defined in
Section 1311 of Title 21 of the Oklahoma Statutes, under a
reasonable belief that fleeing was necessary to protect the motor
vehicle operator from serious injury or death; and
2. The motor vehicle operator exercised due care at the time of
the death or injury.
\"
I can\'t find the Florida law but I suspect it is similar

Never assume. You make an \"ass\" out of \"u\" and \"me\"... Didn\'t you ever see the Odd Couple?

Any law that includes a test regarding a state of mind is pretty much an open door.

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[Rick C]

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 10:38:28 PM UTC-5, Sylvia Else wrote:

On 11-Feb-22 12:30 pm, Rick C wrote:
I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker\'s rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

Seems a bit drastic. It should be simple enough to arrest the truckers
and drive the trucks away. If this is not happening, it must be a
political decision.

Of course! Truckers are second only to farmers in terms of gaining public sympathy. A government official would only take direction action against them if they did not plan on running for reelection.

They would not drive the trucks away though. They would be towed and impounded.

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[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 3:55:36 PM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman <dean...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker\'s rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

For a practical matter, there\'s a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.

Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.

Not when they are blocking highways. John Larkin\'s grasp of practical reality isn\'t all that firm.

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[Tom Gardner]

On 11/02/22 04:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker\'s rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

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For a practical matter, there\'s a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.

Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.

When blocking roads, truckers (and others) kill people.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 11-Feb-22 12:30 pm, Rick C wrote:
> I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways.

I very much doubt that is the case.

Sylvia.

 

[server]

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner
<spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 11/02/22 04:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker\'s rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

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For a practical matter, there\'s a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.

Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.

When blocking roads, truckers (and others) kill people.

The truckers should just stay home and let the urban elites freeze and
starve in the dark.

Let them eat masks.



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[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 12:15:33 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner
spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 11/02/22 04:55, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
dean...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker\'s rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

For a practical matter, there\'s a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.

Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.

When blocking roads, truckers (and others) kill people.

The truckers should just stay home and let the urban elites freeze and starve in the dark.

Some of the trucker might stay home, but there will be enough scab truckers to keep the food flowing.

> Let them eat masks.

Marie Antoinette was a little more realistic.

https://www.britannica.com/story/did-marie-antoinette-really-say-let-them-eat-cake

John Larkin hasn\'t noticed that modern society is remarkably complicated, and all sorts of people could withdraw their labour and let the urban elites freeze and starve in the dark. The trade union movement depends on it. The people who pay all these essential people don\'t like trade unions, for fairly obvious reasons, and they are rather more influential in American than in more egalitarian countries (which is most of the rest of the advanced industrial world).

The negotiations in the US are a trifle less well organised in consequence.

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[Rick C]

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 6:34:36 AM UTC-5, Sylvia Else wrote:

On 11-Feb-22 12:30 pm, Rick C wrote:
I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways.
I very much doubt that is the case.

You have not kept up with your news. DeSantis made a bit of a splash some months ago when this bill was signed into law. It prevents civil liability in such a case. Criminal prosecution is always contingent on the willingness of prosecutors to pursue a given event. Consider the Arbery case where prosecution was deferred until the video leaked out.

The law preventing civil liability in Florida has opened the door to extremely violent actions without consequence.

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[bitrex]

On 2/11/2022 8:15 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 11/02/22 04:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker\'s rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

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Rick C.

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For a practical matter, there\'s a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.

Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.

When blocking roads, truckers (and others) kill people.

The truckers should just stay home and let the urban elites freeze and
starve in the dark.

And pay their bills how - via America\'s excellent social welfare
programs for people who don\'t wanna work?

> Let them eat masks.

Om nom nom

 

[bitrex]

On 2/11/2022 10:25 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 12:15:33 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner
spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 11/02/22 04:55, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
dean...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker\'s rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

For a practical matter, there\'s a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.

Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.

When blocking roads, truckers (and others) kill people.

The truckers should just stay home and let the urban elites freeze and starve in the dark.

Some of the trucker might stay home, but there will be enough scab truckers to keep the food flowing.

Let them eat masks.

Marie Antoinette was a little more realistic.

https://www.britannica.com/story/did-marie-antoinette-really-say-let-them-eat-cake

John Larkin hasn\'t noticed that modern society is remarkably complicated, and all sorts of people could withdraw their labour and let the urban elites freeze and starve in the dark. The trade union movement depends on it. The people who pay all these essential people don\'t like trade unions, for fairly obvious reasons, and they are rather more influential in American than in more egalitarian countries (which is most of the rest of the advanced industrial world).

The negotiations in the US are a trifle less well organised in consequence.

Only people who seem to been freezing in the dark lately was in Texas
and Virginia, probably not the \"urban elites\" Mr. Larkin is talking about.

Received almost three feet of snow around here a couple weeks ago, the
lights didn\'t even flicker. It wasn\'t always that way but I think
they\'ve been doing a better job maintaining the trees near the lines lately

 

[amdx]

On 2/10/2022 7:30 PM, Rick C wrote:

I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker\'s rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

 Maybe just  take over cities, burn buildings and exclude the police,
instead something non-violent like block a highway.


Seattle protesters take over city blocks to create police-free
\'autonomous zone.

 Links in case you forgot.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/activists-take-over-a-seattle-neighborhood-banishing-the-police/2020/06/11/7172e1e6-ac24-11ea-a9d9-a81c1a491c52_story.html
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/12/876293196/protesters-in-seattle-take-over-6-block-area-announce-an-autonomous-zone
                                          Mikek

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[John Larkin]

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 13:45:17 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 2/11/2022 8:15 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 11/02/22 04:55, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker\'s rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

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For a practical matter, there\'s a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.

Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.

When blocking roads, truckers (and others) kill people.

The truckers should just stay home and let the urban elites freeze and
starve in the dark.

And pay their bills how - via America\'s excellent social welfare
programs for people who don\'t wanna work?

Let them eat masks.

Om nom nom

The truckers can ignore their bills for a few months. Can the
urbanites ignore their hunger for a few months?

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but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
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[Rick C]

On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 3:18:55 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 13:45:17 -0500, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 2/11/2022 8:15 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:03:25 +0000, Tom Gardner
spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 11/02/22 04:55, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 18:07:14 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
dean...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 7:30:49 PM UTC-6, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
I believe there are places that have said it is ok to run over protesters if they are blocking major highways. By corollary, it should be ok to blow up trucker\'s rigs if they are used to block roads and shut down cities. No?

I never was very good at understanding legal stuff.

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Rick C.

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For a practical matter, there\'s a shortage of truckers but not of protesters.

Another minor practical matter is that truckers keep us alive.

When blocking roads, truckers (and others) kill people.

The truckers should just stay home and let the urban elites freeze and
starve in the dark.

And pay their bills how - via America\'s excellent social welfare
programs for people who don\'t wanna work?

Let them eat masks.

Om nom nom
The truckers can ignore their bills for a few months. Can the
urbanites ignore their hunger for a few months?

Everyone can ignore shortages in stores for a few days as the obstructionist truckers have their licenses pulled and new truckers are hired to replace the malcontents, much in the same way the air traffic controllers were fired and replaced for striking.

I\'ve had jobs before where anyone who complained about working condition were pointed toward the door. Don\'t ever think you can\'t be replaced.

At least the truckers can pay their bills by selling their rigs... assuming they own them. More likely they are owned by Nancy, financy.

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