Troll Poll

amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote in news:qvd02p$7im$1@dont-email.me:

On 1/8/2020 11:16 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 10:15:54 -0600, amdx <nojunk@knology.net
wrote:

Cursitor is the lunch lady.

I just got somehow drawn into it. Normally Bill is in my KF and
only makes rare appearances from time to time when his filter
expires, but recently I switched to a different newsreader and it
took me a while longer to find the relevant settings. Looking
back on our exchanges I can see now what I didn't see at the time
and how it must have looked. So I guess I should apologize for
polluting the waters here. Sorry all!

I'm sorry I picked on you, Decadent has taken over leadership of
the
cafeteria.

Mikek

Yeah sure. I have not posted a single time in this thread that was
informative.

You are a fucking putz, just like I pegged you so many times
before.

 

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in
news:1c2k1f91l5tvad5c23t2rc94mco35vgd40@4ax.com:

X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.646
which is hardly "new".

It is the newest 'free' (read hacked) version he could find. ;-)

Folks quit breaking software at some point. To many packages phone
home these days. That is why nobody took the time to try to break
any of their newer versions.

I like forte but have not had it up in a long time. That is where
my 100 nyms went away to. And as I always said, I always included
indicators that the nyms were all from one source... me. So I never
was hiding or whatever the denigrators bark. They were an amusement
and usually related to the post topic they were used under.

I actually did find it funny about Terrell and Thompson and their
stupid list.

 

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in
news:1c2k1f91l5tvad5c23t2rc94mco35vgd40@4ax.com:

> Providing high quality topic drift since about 1982...

You cannot blame them for that. That is an inherent lean in Usenet.
Moderation is lame. Diversity got us where we are today in science and
education, etc. etc. ad infinitum.

Topic drift is great! Throughout the history of man, in fact.

Trump got himself elected that way. Not saying it is great at that
level. There, the truth matters. And he is no respresentative of
that.

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 18:22:23 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in
news:1c2k1f91l5tvad5c23t2rc94mco35vgd40@4ax.com:
Providing high quality topic drift since about 1982...

You cannot blame them for that. That is an inherent lean in Usenet.
Moderation is lame. Diversity got us where we are today in science and
education, etc. etc. ad infinitum.

Topic drift is great! Throughout the history of man, in fact.

I consider it an old problem converted into a modern benefit. In this
newsgroup, I often find the divergent topics to be more interesting
than the original posting. I can't help it if everyone (including me)
is too lazy to start a new thread.

If it helps, please not that I consider topic drift to be a game. The
object of the game is to change the topic before everyone gets bored
with the original posting. The favored method my post practitioners
is to never reply to the main points of someone's posting, but rather
to reply to some obscure comment buried in the details. While this is
not strictly topic drift, the results are identical. I've considered
offering points or something equally useless to those who lock onto
trivia and ignore the topic and original question, but lack a suitable
standard scale or units of measure needed to do this efficiently.

Trump got himself elected that way. Not saying it is great at that
level. There, the truth matters. And he is no respresentative of
that.

How do I know that you're telling the truth? How do I know that
you're not a Russian fake news boot contrived to change readers
opinions in S.E.D? Can you really be trusted to tell the truth? Is
it better to assume that everyone lies and not believe anyone.

Anyway, think positive. Trump is a good example that we don't really
need a functional president and can survive quite well with a Twitter
robot, fake news dispenser, etc. I propose that we split the office
between the president who acts as a figurehead, and someone well
hidden in the government that does the real work.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 09:55:32 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

On Wed, 08 Jan 2020 17:16:07 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com
wrote:
recently I switched to a different newsreader and it took me a while
longer to find the relevant settings.

Huh? From your header, you're apparently running a really ancient
version of Forte Agent:

I bought it new about x years ago, left it in a drawer for decades,
and have only just installed it so it's new to me.
--

No deal? No problem! :-D

 

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in
news:teck1f902fdeha404ivgapf9dn34fql6gc@4ax.com:

How do I know that you're telling the truth? How do I know that
you're not a Russian fake news boot contrived to change readers
opinions in S.E.D?

If you are having trouble telling whether Trump is a blatant liar,
then I think you should remove the horse blinders or get your optical
prescription checked.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 7:47:07 AM UTC+11, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 18:22:23 +0000 (UTC),
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in
news:1c2k1f91l5tvad5c23t2rc94mco35vgd40@4ax.com:

<snip>

Anyway, think positive. Trump is a good example that we don't really
need a functional president and can survive quite well with a Twitter
robot, fake news dispenser, etc. I propose that we split the office
between the president who acts as a figurehead, and someone well
hidden in the government that does the real work.

Here's a spot of topic drift for you.

Ronald Reagan was a prime example of a president who acted as a figurehead, while the people who pulled his strings did the real work.

Reagan showed early signs of dementia when he was running for his second term - an acquaintance named Brian Butterworth pointed this out at the time and it made the UK papers - and Contragate makes it clear that he wasn't in charge (because he didn't go to prison when Oliver North did).

The consequences of that period look fine to our right-wing nitwits - James Arthur is a fine example of that breed - but the rapid rise in income inequality in the US started with Reagan's presidency and that looks unfortunate to anybody who can understand statistics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spirit_Level_(book)

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:918e42f8-6866-4eb4-9c5e-38189b5c196a@googlegroups.com:

and Contragate makes it clear that he wasn't in charge (because he
didn't go to prison when Oliver North did).

You are an idiot. North did not go to prison.

And Reagan AND his wife had more on the ball than you think. Despite
the standard 'historical facts' protrayed by *some* of his biographers.
His influence in the office was not as puppetlike as the dopes like you
state.

 

Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in news:918e42f8-6866-4eb4-
9c5e-38189b5c196a@googlegroups.com:

> and that looks unfortunate to anybody who can understand statistics.

That decidedly rules you out.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 1:50:00 PM UTC+11, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:918e42f8-6866-4eb4-9c5e-38189b5c196a@googlegroups.com:

and Contragate makes it clear that he wasn't in charge (because he
didn't go to prison when Oliver North did).

You are an idiot. North did not go to prison.

And Reagan AND his wife had more on the ball than you think. Despite
the standard 'historical facts' protrayed by *some* of his biographers.
His influence in the office was not as puppetlike as the dopes like you
state.

Reagan had a long history as a scab. His Screen Actors Guild was set up to undercut the older Actors Equity Association, and during the McCarthy era he was an informer for the FBI and and active supporter of the blacklist (which the Actors Equity Association wasn't).

He was politically knowledgeable, but essentially his skill was in getting the best bribe from the employers for betraying the interests of the people he pretended to represent.

He might not have been a puppet, but he did do what he was told to as long as he was paid enough.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 1:51:45 PM UTC+11, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in news:918e42f8-6866-4eb4-
9c5e-38189b5c196a@googlegroups.com:

and that looks unfortunate to anybody who can understand statistics.

That decidedly rules you out.

What on earth makes you think that?

I'm not as statistically sophisticated as my cousin, who had a Ph.D. in the subject and ran the Australian Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Oganisation's statistical consulting service for some years - he spent some time as a professor of statistics but didn't like the job as much - but I did know enough to try to get him to consult on a problem I had.

Sadly. he wanted more money than my employers were prepared to cough up and I ended solving the problem for myself.

The level of statistical sophistication required to understand what "The Spirit Level" is saying isn't all that high. It was put together by medical epidemiologists, so you do have some grasp of statistics to understand it, and there are people around here who couldn't manage that, but it wouldn't have been as influential as it is if you needed my cousin's grasp of the subject to get the message.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 23:29:06 +0000, Cursitor Doom
<curd@notformail.com> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 09:55:32 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com
wrote:

On Wed, 08 Jan 2020 17:16:07 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com
wrote:
recently I switched to a different newsreader and it took me a while
longer to find the relevant settings.

Huh? From your header, you're apparently running a really ancient
version of Forte Agent:

I bought it new about x years ago, left it in a drawer for decades,
and have only just installed it so it's new to me.

<http://www.forteinc.com/release/>
Version 2.0 appeared in Feb 2004. So, you're running a 16 year old
version of Forte Agent that is 14 updates behind. I probably
shouldn't complain since I'm driving a 19 year old car, but you really
should consider at least test driving the latest version. Also, check
if you're entitled to a discounted upgrade price:
<https://www.forteinc.com/agent/upgrade-form.php>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 21:23:30 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

http://www.forteinc.com/release/
Version 2.0 appeared in Feb 2004. So, you're running a 16 year old
version of Forte Agent that is 14 updates behind.

I was certain it was a lot older than that! More like 24 years, but if
you say so then that's equal to the word of G-d in my book, Jeffrey!

I probably
shouldn't complain since I'm driving a 19 year old car, but you really
should consider at least test driving the latest version. Also, check
if you're entitled to a discounted upgrade price:
https://www.forteinc.com/agent/upgrade-form.php

Fraught with perils, I'm afraid. This version took a lot of tinkering
to get it 'happy' to run under Wine in Linux so I'm frit of taking the
chance...

--

No deal? No problem! :-D

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 09:55:32 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>Providing high quality topic drift since about 1982...

Haha! I only just saw that!
BTW, forgot to mention but you recall that RF ALC I was having trouble
with? Well, I tried measuring the amplitude variations using an RF
spectrum analyser instead of a scope and they disappeared. Steady as a
rock all the way from 4Mhz to 1.3Ghz. Weird. It simply defies all
known science, Jeff, all known science....

--

No deal? No problem! :-D

 

> It was actually a comment about *his* fucked mindset.

I now realize something. You are not that much of an asshole, you are just fed up with the fucking bullshit.

I am right behind you I think...

 

jurb6006@gmail.com wrote in
news:fe11307b-1677-4944-947c-47f66cb0727d@googlegroups.com:

It was actually a comment about *his* fucked mindset.

I now realize something. You are not that much of an asshole, you
are just fed up with the fucking bullshit.

I am right behind you I think...

Reminds me of a line from "Born In East L.A."

 

[amdx]

On 1/11/2020 11:19 AM, amdx wrote:

On 1/8/2020 11:16 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 10:15:54 -0600, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:

  Cursitor is the lunch lady.

I just got somehow drawn into it. Normally Bill is in my KF and only
makes rare appearances from time to time when his filter expires, but
recently I switched to a different newsreader and it took me a while
longer to find the relevant settings. Looking back on our exchanges I
can see now what I didn't see at the time and how it must have looked.
So I guess I should apologize for polluting the waters here. Sorry
all!

 I'm sorry I picked on you, Decadent has taken over leadership of the
cafeteria.

                         Mikek

Did Decadent miss my post?
He is still feeding Sloman.
Mikek

 

amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote in news:qvfi32$4rs$2@dont-email.me:

On 1/11/2020 11:19 AM, amdx wrote:
On 1/8/2020 11:16 AM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 10:15:54 -0600, amdx <nojunk@knology.net
wrote:

  Cursitor is the lunch lady.

I just got somehow drawn into it. Normally Bill is in my KF and
only makes rare appearances from time to time when his filter
expires, but recently I switched to a different newsreader and
it took me a while longer to find the relevant settings. Looking
back on our exchanges I can see now what I didn't see at the
time and how it must have looked. So I guess I should apologize
for polluting the waters here. Sorry all!

 I'm sorry I picked on you, Decadent has taken over leadership
of the
cafeteria.

                         Mikek

Did Decadent miss my post?
He is still feeding Sloman.
Mikek

Eat, drink, and be merry.

This group does not represent the typical human condition. This
group leans toward being like the hoard in front of the castle in
"The Princess Bride".

I guess that makes me the Dread Pirate Roberts.

 

[Rich S]

On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 3:34:18 PM UTC, Michael Terrell wrote:

Is Bill Sloman a troll? Answer Yes or No.

Yes!

I enjoy and learn from this forum despite the ad hominems, which I look past. I assume there may be some useful bits among the tripe. Maybe the grumpiness has therapeutic value for the guy (and they're always guys, eh?).

The real fallacy is separating people into distinct "bins". We are all more alike than we are different.

Cheers, Rich S.

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-01-12 16:05, Rich S wrote:

On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 3:34:18 PM UTC, Michael Terrell wrote:
Is Bill Sloman a troll? Answer Yes or No.

Yes!

I enjoy and learn from this forum despite the ad hominems, which I look past. I assume there may be some useful bits among the tripe. Maybe the grumpiness has therapeutic value for the guy (and they're always guys, eh?).

The real fallacy is separating people into distinct "bins". We are all more alike than we are different.

Cheers, Rich S.

"Mr. L. Prosser was, as they say, 'only human'. That is, he was a
carbon-based bipedal life form descended from an ape." (HHGttG).

So yeah, we're all pretty alike if you dolly the camera back far enough.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs