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complete and utter BS
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a great benefit. I'm more and more believing that DGU figures by survey are"dechucka" <dechucka1@hotmail.com> wrote in
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Dealing with a 5 stupid year old is easier
Which current gun licensing laws in Australia
Be SPECIFIC, instead of trying to weasel with
vague
generalizations.
that is specific as one can get
I'll accept that as an admission you don't know
as a gun owner I do and those are the laws
fyi
http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fullhtml/inforce/su
bord le g+
512+
2006+FIRST+0+N
LOL
You need a permission to own a paint-ball gun
You need a permit to stage paint-ball games
Talk about a nanny state.
Ironic that since gun control was clamped down post
Port Arthur, things have gotten worse.
have they?
Yes they have
http://gunowners.org/sk0703.htm
* Australia: Readers of the USA Today newspaper
discovered
in 2002 that, "Since Australia's 1996 laws
banning most
guns
and making it a crime to use a gun defensively,
armed robberies rose by 51%,
unarmed robberies by 37%,
assaults by 24%
and kidnappings by 43%.
While murders fell by 3%,
manslaughter rose by 16%."
Dr. John R. Lott, Jr., "Gun laws don't reduce crime,"
USA Today (May 9, 2002).
See also Rhett Watson and Matthew Bayley,
"Gun crime up 40pc since Port Arthur,"
The Daily Telegraph (April 28, 2002).
I'll stop there because that statement is BS
Prove it, false weasel-boi
But remember
If you get punished for keeping a loaded gun for self
defense,
you
have
effectively made it illegal to use a gun defensively, by
making it IMPOSSIBLE UNLESS you already have a loaded gun
at hand.
In which case the government can come after you for
using that
gun
defensively.
it is not illegal to use a gun defensively in Australia,
most guns in Aus were not banned post 1996
While that is true, it is illegal in Oz to purchase or to
carry one
for
the stated purpose of self defense.
correct in all but very limited cases
With a few million citizens, "all but very limited" doesn't
help much.
but not really needed in Aus
Ahhhh, no one is ever murdered or a victim of violent crime in
OZ? Methinks you are full of shit.
and the consequences of "carry for
protection" laws in the US can be seen by the mess they are
in.
What mess is that?
Interestingly it is very hard to find info on defensive gun
use in the US, one figure put around is 2.5 million per year
but the crimes that led to guns being drawn don't seem to be
reported to the authorities
You can look at Gary Kleck's study.....that is where the .25
million number
comes from.
You can look at the NCVS (National Crime Victimization Study)
it comes up with 80,000 to 108,000 per year and never asks
about DGUs. You can also look at the following surveys:
Field 1976 3,052,717
Burdua 1977 1,414,544
DM1a 1978 2,141,512
DM1b 1978 1,098,409
Hart 1981 1,797,461
Ohio 1982 771,043
Mauser 1990 1,487,342
Gallup 1991 777,153
Gallup 1993 1,621,682
LA Times 1994 3,609,682
Tarrance 1994 764,036
so it isn't really that big a safeguard
Oh, I don't know. I would much rather be part of those in the
surveys above than one of the 10-12,000 who die from some street
scab with a gun.
Sorry and should add that if these figures are correct than
surely police data would back them up
When even as you suggested, most of these involve no shots fired or
the police? How would the police generate data if they are not
involved?
People are so threatened they draw a gun but don't report it thus
letting crims run free. bizarre argument
Silly dedummy.
Presumes that making a police report automatically results in an
arrest.
strawman arguement. If you report the crime there is a better chance
of an arrest
In some areas that would mean the chances would go from less than 1% to
just over 1%.
complete and utter BS