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Jasen Betts <jasen@free.net.nz> wrote in
news:f6st4t$832$1@jasen.is-a-geek.org:

On 2007-07-08, Spurious Response <SpuriousResponse@cleansignal.org
wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 00:25:22 -0700, meow2222@care2.com wrote:

no, they radiate less total energy because they take 1/3 the time and
radiated power is no different to a 1kW unit, since that depends
entirely on water temp and kettle shape & finish.


Sorry, but the difference in time heating 4 quarts of water in a 1kW
vat is NOT 3 times that of the 3kW unit.

There are constraints. The water has to still be there when you are
done.

If it takes a 1kW unit to heat it to boil in ten minutes, there is no
way in hell a 3kW unit will do it in three.

Of course not! it'd take three and twentyy seconds.

It is NOT linear, chucko.

for a heating element immersed in the water it is almost exactly linear,
do the math.

Bye.
Jasen
Some useful information:
1 cup is about 236.6 ml.
It take 1 cal to raise 1 ml of water by 1 degree.
A watt is about 0.239 cal/second.

Let us assume the cup of water starts at 25 C and you want to raise it to
100 C, that is 75 degrees that we want to heat the water.

So, it will require (236.6 ml x 75 deg x 1 cal/(deg x ml)) = 17744.25 cal
to raise a cup of water 75 deg C.

You can deliver those cals at any rate you like[see notes below]. A 1 kw
heater will deliver 239 cal per second. A 2 kw heater will deliver at
twice that rate.

74.3 seconds to heat a cup with a 1 kw heater.
37.1 seconds to heat a cup with a 2 kw heater.
[notes: ignoring losses in wiring, assuming efficient heat transfer from
heater to water, assuming no loss of heat from cup+heater combination]

If you want to factor in any of those, please state your assumptions [such
as thermal transfer resistance between heater and water, between container
and air. Those act much like series resistors as far as the heat is
concerned. You can model temperature difference as voltage drop and heat
transfer as current if you like. Any good engineering heat transfer text
will show you exactly how to do this{but in this case, it won't really
matter all that much}].





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bz 73 de N5BZ k

please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
infinite set.

bz+ser@ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu remove ch100-5 to avoid spam trap
 
Tam/WB2TT wrote:

"Paul Burke" <paul@scazon.com> wrote
Tam/WB2TT wrote:

Having bought multiple cooking utensils in the past few years, I don't
recall seeing one in a box that said "kettle". From what I can gather,
that is pretty much an archaic term, and only used in a context such as
tea kettle; however, the latter is just as often called a tea pot.

There is a crucial distinction between the kettle, in which the water is
boiled, and the teapot, in which the tea is brewed (infused). If you've
been putting the tea leaves (or even bags) in the kettle, it's no wonder
the Americans prefer coffee.

There are other kinds of kettle, with neither side- handle nor spout, but
that's a different kettle of fish.


For what it's worth, the dictionary defines a cauldron as a large kettle. So
to me, a kettle looks something like a cauldron, but not as big. I don't
know anybody who owns an electric tea brewer, though I do own 3 electric
coffee pots. The UK folks might be ripe for a samovar.
You're fixating over a combined device for heating the water and brewing the
tea.

Graham
 
bz wrote:

It take 1 cal to raise 1 ml of water by 1 degree.
A watt is about 0.239 cal/second.
Does the USA still teach calories rather than Joules ?

Graham
 
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 04:42:02 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

bz wrote:

It take 1 cal to raise 1 ml of water by 1 degree.
A watt is about 0.239 cal/second.

Does the USA still teach calories rather than Joules ?
kiloCalories. Based on (utilizes) BTUs.
 
Spurious Response wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
bz wrote:

It take 1 cal to raise 1 ml of water by 1 degree.
A watt is about 0.239 cal/second.

Does the USA still teach calories rather than Joules ?


kiloCalories. Based on (utilizes) BTUs.
Bizarre.

Graham
 
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:4694518A.4EFF129F@hotmail.com:

bz wrote:

It take 1 cal to raise 1 ml of water by 1 degree.
A watt is about 0.239 cal/second.

Does the USA still teach calories rather than Joules ?
Both can be found in most text books.

Dieters still count calories.

It is a lot easier for ME to remember that it takes one cal to raise one mL
of water one deg C than it would be to remember to use 4.187 Joules for the
same task.



--
bz 73 de N5BZ k

please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
infinite set.

bz+ser@ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu remove ch100-5 to avoid spam trap
 
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:52:54 -0700, Spurious Response
<SpuriousResponse@cleansignal.org> wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:50:39 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:47:47 -0700, Spurious Response
SpuriousResponse@cleansignal.org> wrote:

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 16:10:56 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

If it were spaghetti, so it could be poured out of the spout?

Here, a kettle can be anything from a tea kettle to a giant two foot
deep pot for LA Gumbo.

Kettle? We just cut a 55-gallon drum in half.

John



So, how many PCBs do you think you have introduced into your body over
the years with all the various and sundry exposure events we Americans
have the opportunity to endure?

Amount needed to cause a malignancy mutation: 2 parts per Billion.
If you're willing to eat the crawfish, there's not a lot of point in
worrying about stuff leached off the drum. US cancer rates have been
gradually declining for decades, so we must be doing something right.

Are PCBs really carcinogenic? There are lots of references that say
not.


John

noting that PCB = polychlorinated biphenyl, not pc board
 
On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 07:54:17 +0000 (UTC), bz
<bz+ser@ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu> wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:4694518A.4EFF129F@hotmail.com:



bz wrote:

It take 1 cal to raise 1 ml of water by 1 degree.
A watt is about 0.239 cal/second.

Does the USA still teach calories rather than Joules ?

Both can be found in most text books.

Dieters still count calories.

It is a lot easier for ME to remember that it takes one cal to raise one mL
of water one deg C than it would be to remember to use 4.187 Joules for the
same task.

Joules is now in use.

The calorie as is used in talk regarding dietary intake actually refers
to the kilocalorie.
 
Spurious Response wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Spurious Response wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
bz wrote:

It take 1 cal to raise 1 ml of water by 1 degree.
A watt is about 0.239 cal/second.

Does the USA still teach calories rather than Joules ?


kiloCalories. Based on (utilizes) BTUs.

Bizarre.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_thermal_unit
Not used in Britain., although for some curious reason central heating boilers
and radiators continued to be specified in them until quite recently. Thankfully
they're in kW now.

Graham
 
Ponzi schemes are illegal world-wide. Reported to appropriate State
and Federal Authorities.
 
On Jul 16, 4:00 am, "p...@aol.com" <p...@aol.com> wrote:
Ponzi schemes are illegal world-wide. Reported to appropriate State
and Federal Authorities.
Google abuse reporting seems to be broken. Every time I try to "report
abuse" and submit it I get an error from Google.
 
On Jul 16, 6:13 am, S Jam <sylvia...@gmail.com> wrote:
Do You Know Your VALUABLE OPINION Can Earn You Upto $3000 Per Month

Get Paid to Try New Products, Drive Car, Travel etc...
My opinion is you're an asshole. Now where's my $3,000?
 
Ken Layton wrote:
On Jul 16, 4:00 am, "p...@aol.com" <p...@aol.com> wrote:
Ponzi schemes are illegal world-wide. Reported to appropriate State
and Federal Authorities.

Google abuse reporting seems to be broken. Every time I try to "report
abuse" and submit it I get an error from Google.

Just forward it to abuse@google.com


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:469C5A01.3564D535@earthlink.net...
Ken Layton wrote:

On Jul 16, 4:00 am, "p...@aol.com" <p...@aol.com> wrote:
Ponzi schemes are illegal world-wide. Reported to appropriate State
and Federal Authorities.

Google abuse reporting seems to be broken. Every time I try to "report
abuse" and submit it I get an error from Google.


Just forward it to abuse@google.com


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
This crap "almost" makes me want to have pity for the poor saps. P.T. Barnum
said "there is a sucker born every minute". I guess it was "his" turn to be
born. Some people never learn. I went to the bank not long ago - a teller
had a phone call - she talked the details over with the teller I had - so I
heard about it all. The caller fell for the Scam of "I'll send you a
check/money order - you cash it and send me the balance due - then the
check/money order is found to be no good". What a bunch of idiots! This
stuff has been talked about in the news for a while now - and still these
idiots fall for it. I guess the adage applies too - as "Stupid is as stupid
does".

Between these "get rich quick schemes" and the "convert to Islam" crap - I
don't know which is worse.

L.
 
Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Just forward it to abuse@google.com
Google will do NOTHING! Abuse reports should be sent to his ISP (like
in your case, Earthlink), not the web-based archive he posted from.
 
On Jul 17, 8:23 am, "Radiosrfun" <Radiosr...@Radiosrfun.com> wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote in messagenews:469C5A01.3564D535@earthlink.net...





Ken Layton wrote:

On Jul 16, 4:00 am, "p...@aol.com" <p...@aol.com> wrote:
Ponzi schemes are illegal world-wide. Reported to appropriate State
and Federal Authorities.

Google abuse reporting seems to be broken. Every time I try to "report
abuse" and submit it I get an error from Google.

Just forward it to ab...@google.com

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

This crap "almost" makes me want to have pity for the poor saps. P.T. Barnum
said "there is a sucker born every minute". I guess it was "his" turn to be
born. Some people never learn. I went to the bank not long ago - a teller
had a phone call - she talked the details over with the teller I had - so I
heard about it all. The caller fell for the Scam of "I'll send you a
check/money order - you cash it and send me the balance due - then the
check/money order is found to be no good". What a bunch of idiots! This
stuff has been talked about in the news for a while now - and still these
idiots fall for it. I guess the adage applies too - as "Stupid is as stupid
does".

Between these "get rich quick schemes" and the "convert to Islam" crap - I
don't know which is worse.

L.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Wadya expect?

One is 31, one is 29, and so forth. And all with real addresses and
real phone numbers and real ages and so forth. Nothing wrong
necessarily with that, I am sure one could find all that out about me
with a few keystrokes... but not in connection with interstate fraud
and various other potential felonies.

And these people are presumably attempting to make a living in this
world? These are the "human resources" with which we are to compete
with China, India and Mexico? Much less Europe? Canada?

YIKES!

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA
 
On Jul 17, 8:23 am, "Radiosrfun" <Radiosr...@Radiosrfun.com> wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote in messagenews:469C5A01.3564D535@earthlink.net...





Ken Layton wrote:

On Jul 16, 4:00 am, "p...@aol.com" <p...@aol.com> wrote:
Ponzi schemes are illegal world-wide. Reported to appropriate State
and Federal Authorities.

Google abuse reporting seems to be broken. Every time I try to "report
abuse" and submit it I get an error from Google.

Just forward it to ab...@google.com

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

This crap "almost" makes me want to have pity for the poor saps. P.T. Barnum
said "there is a sucker born every minute". I guess it was "his" turn to be
born. Some people never learn. I went to the bank not long ago - a teller
had a phone call - she talked the details over with the teller I had - so I
heard about it all. The caller fell for the Scam of "I'll send you a
check/money order - you cash it and send me the balance due - then the
check/money order is found to be no good". What a bunch of idiots! This
stuff has been talked about in the news for a while now - and still these
idiots fall for it. I guess the adage applies too - as "Stupid is as stupid
does".

Between these "get rich quick schemes" and the "convert to Islam" crap - I
don't know which is worse.

L.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
And, Mr. Barnum almost certainly never coined that particular phrase,
even though it was attributed to him during and after his lifetime.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA
 
UCLAN wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Just forward it to abuse@google.com

Google will do NOTHING!
That's not true! They send you a nice boilerplate e-mail telling you
they're not going to do anything *else* but the boilerplate.

--
If you're reaching for the reply button,
your cynicism detector needs batteries.
 
UCLAN wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Just forward it to abuse@google.com

Google will do NOTHING! Abuse reports should be sent to his ISP (like
in your case, Earthlink), not the web-based archive he posted from.

Gee! Whooda thunk? I did just that, until dnsstuff.com went pay. I
have reported thousands of spammers to their ISP in the past eight
years.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
<pfjw@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1184694076.210625.55670@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 17, 8:23 am, "Radiosrfun" <Radiosr...@Radiosrfun.com> wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote in
messagenews:469C5A01.3564D535@earthlink.net...





Ken Layton wrote:

On Jul 16, 4:00 am, "p...@aol.com" <p...@aol.com> wrote:
Ponzi schemes are illegal world-wide. Reported to appropriate State
and Federal Authorities.

Google abuse reporting seems to be broken. Every time I try to "report
abuse" and submit it I get an error from Google.

Just forward it to ab...@google.com

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

This crap "almost" makes me want to have pity for the poor saps. P.T.
Barnum
said "there is a sucker born every minute". I guess it was "his" turn to
be
born. Some people never learn. I went to the bank not long ago - a teller
had a phone call - she talked the details over with the teller I had - so
I
heard about it all. The caller fell for the Scam of "I'll send you a
check/money order - you cash it and send me the balance due - then the
check/money order is found to be no good". What a bunch of idiots! This
stuff has been talked about in the news for a while now - and still these
idiots fall for it. I guess the adage applies too - as "Stupid is as
stupid
does".

Between these "get rich quick schemes" and the "convert to Islam" crap -
I
don't know which is worse.

L.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And, Mr. Barnum almost certainly never coined that particular phrase,
even though it was attributed to him during and after his lifetime.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA
Well, "he" is the only one "I" ever heard credited with it - so..... IF I
am in err - then my credit goes to the author - whoever he/she may have
been.
But - whoever coined it - hit the nail on the head.

L.
 

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