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[Deodiaus]

Actually, this is a good intro discussion.
http://www.tpub.com/content/neets/14177/css/14177_96.htm

The motor did not rotate when I put in a 7.5 MFD cap. It worked for
about 10 mins for a 10 MFD capacitor.
It was making a squeaking sound, before it cut out. I am trying to
figure out if it is a simple repair in the starter winding and return
the motor, or if I need to replace the motor.

BTW, I look at this as a learning experience. So, unless I fry myself
or the house, nothing is lost.
I have messed up things in my life, but I think I have fixed many a
things too.

I know the difference between an engine and motor. An engine turns
mechanical energy into electricity. A motor turns electrical energy
into mechanical. You can usually run one in reverse to get the
behavior of the other.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 12:58:44 -0700 (PDT), Deodiaus <deodiaus@yahoo.com>
wrote:

30 years ago, I had someone explain this to me
in a class, but I have forgotten it all.

Obviously you forgot a lot. You referred to an electrical motor as an
"engine".

 

[Deodiaus]

Any guesses as to what is wrong with the winding?
Someone suggested looking at the bearings. What do I look for,
excessive wear?
My electrician friend recommended just replacing the motor rather than
trying to diagnose it farther than that.
However, my time is worth about $5/hr, so if I can repair it in less
than I day, I have come out ahead.

 

[cjt]

Wild_Bill wrote:

It sounds as though you are in over your head, and it's time to get a
qualified, experienced person to take over the job.

A residential air system blower motor should work about the same with a
properly rated AC capacitor of 7.5uF or 10uF value (for a motor that's
marked for either a 7.5uF or a 10uF), with only a small difference in
motor speed.
snip

why would the speed change?

 

[Tony Hwang]

Deodiaus wrote:

Talking to a friend who is an electrician, he told me that maybe just
the capacitor might be of the wrong capacitance.
The problem with buying one off the shelf is that its tolerance might
be off enough to throw the engine off.
Does anyone know how to calculate the torque for an engine with a
capacitance?
I use to know this 30 years ago, but now, don't even know how to
google this question properly!!
Using a 7.5 MFD cap did not work. I tried a 10 MFD cap, which worked
for 10 mins.
BTW, I found a cheap motor at
https://www.plumbersstock.com/product.html?partNumber=12476
Does anyone have experience with this brand,
PARTNERS CHOICE ??

Hmmm,

You and your frieed lectrician better learn what is the function of
capacitor for the motor first. If same value is not available always
replace it with next higher value. Same with W.V. You do the math to see
why it is so.

 

[The Daring Dufas]

Deodiaus wrote:

I found one for $65 shipped at:
http://boatandrvaccessories.com/43587.htm

Does anyone know where I can buy one for $30?

ps1. I am interested in the start capacitance, (the motor makes the
humming sound trying to start up).
ps2. my friend the electrician is not the same as the AC repairman
and not the same as the earlier guy who put in the 7.5 MFD cap (which
seems to be the one that the sites sell with it [A.O. Smith recommends
10 MFD]).
ps3. The reason I was looking for the calculations is that I can see
how sensitive they are to a change in capacitors.

The motor you referred to is not a cheap motor, it's just not an exessively
inflated priced motor.
New surplus blower motors can be found at numerous surplus dealers for about
$30 or less, plus shipping.

I can walk in to several places here in town
and buy one for less. $60 plus $15 shipping?
Kinda runs the price up.

TDD

 

[Deodiaus]

I found one for $65 shipped at:
http://boatandrvaccessories.com/43587.htm

Does anyone know where I can buy one for $30?

ps1. I am interested in the start capacitance, (the motor makes the
humming sound trying to start up).
ps2. my friend the electrician is not the same as the AC repairman
and not the same as the earlier guy who put in the 7.5 MFD cap (which
seems to be the one that the sites sell with it [A.O. Smith recommends
10 MFD]).
ps3. The reason I was looking for the calculations is that I can see
how sensitive they are to a change in capacitors.

The motor you referred to is not a cheap motor, it's just not an exessively
inflated priced motor.
New surplus blower motors can be found at numerous surplus dealers for about
$30 or less, plus shipping.

 

[Wild_Bill]

Speed changes in PSC motors when the value of the capacitor is changed. Not
a major speed change for the previously discussed values of 7.5uF to 10uF.

For the theoretical explanations, try a book with a detailed section on
Permanent Split Capacitor (PSC) type AC motors.
These motors have been used for deades and are still presently utilized in
many applications from fans and blowers to fractional HP gearhead motors.

PSC type motors differ greatly from split-phase capacitor start motors.

--
Cheers,
WB
..............


"cjt" <cheljuba@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Wild_Bill wrote:
It sounds as though you are in over your head, and it's time to get a
qualified, experienced person to take over the job.

A residential air system blower motor should work about the same with a
properly rated AC capacitor of 7.5uF or 10uF value (for a motor that's
marked for either a 7.5uF or a 10uF), with only a small difference in
motor speed.
snip

why would the speed change?

 

[Anon]

"Deodiaus" <deodiaus@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0dd6cdad-d3b3-4d31-98bf-fd3e2223a40e@t13g2000yqt.googlegroups.com...

I found one for $65 shipped at:
http://boatandrvaccessories.com/43587.htm

Does anyone know where I can buy one for $30?

ps1. I am interested in the start capacitance, (the motor makes the
humming sound trying to start up).
ps2. my friend the electrician is not the same as the AC repairman
and not the same as the earlier guy who put in the 7.5 MFD cap (which
seems to be the one that the sites sell with it [A.O. Smith recommends
10 MFD]).
ps3. The reason I was looking for the calculations is that I can see
how sensitive they are to a change in capacitors.

The motor you referred to is not a cheap motor, it's just not an
exessively
inflated priced motor.
New surplus blower motors can be found at numerous surplus dealers for
about
$30 or less, plus shipping.

If the capacitor was a starting capacitor it won't make any difference in
speed, as it is only use to start the motor rotating, and is disconnected
once it is spinning near operating speed. The motor windings will determine
the speed and torque while running.

Most AC blower motors use a running capacitor that stays active while the
motor runs. A running capacitor shifts the Alternating Current sine-wave
between the windings to give the motor torque. A larger value capacitor
will give more torque, and perhaps a little more speed. Induction motors
are greatly affected by the load upon them. If the load is less than the
maximum, a smaller capacitor value is used to keep the rotation speed within
reasonable parameters. An induction motor run without any load will run too
fast and the windings will overheat and break down the lacquer insulation
causing an internal short.

If the motor just hums and does not rotate - there is something else wrong.
A failed capacitor results in this same symptom and is the easiest solution
to try, hence the reason it was replaced. Even a 4ľF or 5ľF capacitor
should turn the motor. Check the bearings by rotating the unloaded motor
shaft - it should rotate fairly easily. Usually sealed ball bearing sets
are used in these motors, pressed onto the shaft - replacement will require
a bearing puller.

If the blower is directly attached to the shaft, the only bearings to check
are in the motor. If it is a belt driven set-up (older), the bearings on
the squirrel cage will be suspect.

If the motor spins freely, but still only hums on start up, either a bad
connection to the capacitor (or other component) or a short or break in the
motor windings, not to mention another capacitor failure. These motors tend
to have very fine and compact winding wraps and then take a lacquer bath,
making service difficult if not impossible. If there is a short in the
motor, the first place to check is the bundle where the insulated wires are
soldered to the winding wires, if that is the connection method.

Scott

 

[daestrom]

Anon wrote:

"Deodiaus" <deodiaus@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0dd6cdad-d3b3-4d31-98bf-fd3e2223a40e@t13g2000yqt.googlegroups.com...
I found one for $65 shipped at:
http://boatandrvaccessories.com/43587.htm

Does anyone know where I can buy one for $30?

ps1. I am interested in the start capacitance, (the motor makes the
humming sound trying to start up).
ps2. my friend the electrician is not the same as the AC repairman
and not the same as the earlier guy who put in the 7.5 MFD cap (which
seems to be the one that the sites sell with it [A.O. Smith recommends
10 MFD]).
ps3. The reason I was looking for the calculations is that I can see
how sensitive they are to a change in capacitors.

The motor you referred to is not a cheap motor, it's just not an
exessively
inflated priced motor.
New surplus blower motors can be found at numerous surplus dealers for
about
$30 or less, plus shipping.
snip

Induction motors
are greatly affected by the load upon them. If the load is less than the
maximum, a smaller capacitor value is used to keep the rotation speed within
reasonable parameters. An induction motor run without any load will run too
fast and the windings will overheat and break down the lacquer insulation
causing an internal short.

Not even close. Induction motor speeds vary little from no-load to
full-load (slip from no-load to full-load of typical induction motor
[not some ceiling fan junk] is <1 to 3 % of synchronous speed). Running
completely unloaded is perfectly fine and the windings of an induction
motor will *not* overheat in that situation. (hint, the motor draws less
current when it's unloaded)

If the motor just hums and does not rotate - there is something else wrong.
A failed capacitor results in this same symptom and is the easiest solution
to try, hence the reason it was replaced. Even a 4ľF or 5ľF capacitor
should turn the motor. Check the bearings by rotating the unloaded motor
shaft - it should rotate fairly easily. Usually sealed ball bearing sets
are used in these motors, pressed onto the shaft - replacement will require
a bearing puller.

If the blower is directly attached to the shaft, the only bearings to check
are in the motor. If it is a belt driven set-up (older), the bearings on
the squirrel cage will be suspect.

If the motor spins freely, but still only hums on start up, either a bad
connection to the capacitor (or other component) or a short or break in the
motor windings, not to mention another capacitor failure. These motors tend
to have very fine and compact winding wraps and then take a lacquer bath,
making service difficult if not impossible. If there is a short in the
motor, the first place to check is the bundle where the insulated wires are
soldered to the winding wires, if that is the connection method.

These are good troubleshooting points. But your statement earlier about
motor speed/load is off.

daestrom

 

[daestrom]

Deodiaus wrote:

Any guesses as to what is wrong with the winding?
Someone suggested looking at the bearings. What do I look for,
excessive wear?

Well it's possible that this is still the original problem and the
capacitor was not bad to begin with.

The symptoms point to something in one of the two winding circuits.
There are two separate windings in a single phase induction motor. In
many motors one of the windings is only energized during starting and
then turned off by a centrifugal switch. But this thread has been
talking about capacitive run type (and that's common for blower motors)
so we can ignore problems with the switch.

If the two windings are energized from the same power source without any
capacitor at all, then no torque is developed and the motor sits and
hums. So one thing is it may be wired up wrong. Recheck your work
against the circuit diagram (often inside the panel or in a manual).

If the bearings or blower are seized up, the motor can't develop enough
torque to start spinning. Or you may get it started but the load is so
great that it overheats and shuts down. I think you mentioned it ran
for a while one time? When everything is turned off, you should be able
to easily turn the thing by hand, blower and all.

If one of the two windings has developed an open, then the other winding
alone can't develop torque to start and it will just hum. This *may* be
just an open in a connecting wire and would be easy to fix. But if it's
down inside the winding, rewinding a motor is quite a task and often not
worth the effort.

If your handy with an ohm-meter you can check for opens easy enough.
Just lift the leads and read between them. Be sure to turn off the
power though, ohm-meters tend to smoke when connected to live AC power.

daestrom

 

[Anon]

"daestrom" <daestrom@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
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Anon wrote:
"Deodiaus" <deodiaus@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0dd6cdad-d3b3-4d31-98bf-fd3e2223a40e@t13g2000yqt.googlegroups.com...
I found one for $65 shipped at:
http://boatandrvaccessories.com/43587.htm

Does anyone know where I can buy one for $30?

ps1. I am interested in the start capacitance, (the motor makes the
humming sound trying to start up).
ps2. my friend the electrician is not the same as the AC repairman
and not the same as the earlier guy who put in the 7.5 MFD cap (which
seems to be the one that the sites sell with it [A.O. Smith recommends
10 MFD]).
ps3. The reason I was looking for the calculations is that I can see
how sensitive they are to a change in capacitors.

The motor you referred to is not a cheap motor, it's just not an
exessively
inflated priced motor.
New surplus blower motors can be found at numerous surplus dealers for
about
$30 or less, plus shipping.
snip

Induction motors are greatly affected by the load upon them. If the load
is less than the maximum, a smaller capacitor value is used to keep the
rotation speed within reasonable parameters. An induction motor run
without any load will run too fast and the windings will overheat and
break down the lacquer insulation causing an internal short.


Not even close. Induction motor speeds vary little from no-load to
full-load (slip from no-load to full-load of typical induction motor [not
some ceiling fan junk] is <1 to 3 % of synchronous speed). Running
completely unloaded is perfectly fine and the windings of an induction
motor will *not* overheat in that situation. (hint, the motor draws less
current when it's unloaded)

Ah, I should have qualified that with "low-torque/low speed" induction
motors (less than 300 RPM) often found in smaller squirrel cage blower fans
and in some ceiling fans. I have not worked on many high torque, high speed
induction motors to consider them typical of induction motors. Low torque
motors are designed to carry a specified load and can run up to 25% faster
without that load. But I concede, a blower motor requiring a 10ľF running
capacitor probably is a high torque induction motor that will not suffer
from heat-rise unless it is from the bearings.

If the motor just hums and does not rotate - there is something else
wrong. A failed capacitor results in this same symptom and is the easiest
solution to try, hence the reason it was replaced. Even a 4ľF or 5ľF
capacitor should turn the motor. Check the bearings by rotating the
unloaded motor shaft - it should rotate fairly easily. Usually sealed
ball bearing sets are used in these motors, pressed onto the shaft -
replacement will require a bearing puller.

If the blower is directly attached to the shaft, the only bearings to
check are in the motor. If it is a belt driven set-up (older), the
bearings on the squirrel cage will be suspect.

If the motor spins freely, but still only hums on start up, either a bad
connection to the capacitor (or other component) or a short or break in
the motor windings, not to mention another capacitor failure. These
motors tend to have very fine and compact winding wraps and then take a
lacquer bath, making service difficult if not impossible. If there is a
short in the motor, the first place to check is the bundle where the
insulated wires are soldered to the winding wires, if that is the
connection method.


These are good troubleshooting points. But your statement earlier about
motor speed/load is off.

daestrom

 

[\"The Great One\"]

"Art Deco" <art.colorado.carl.deco@gmail.com> wrote in message
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With great regret and crying and weeping, Peter "Eater' Ross had to
fire Lionel Lauer a.k.a. Bob Larter from his Temporary FNVW job
yesterday due to Lionel's incompetence and inability to post to AUK
24/7 as required by PJR for PJR's Domination of the World through
AUK.!

We all wish Lionel Lauer a better future and good luck on his upcoming
sex-change!
--
Art Deco

Gee, that's too fuckin' Bad.....I enjoyed kicking his "corseted" ass !!
--
John C.

p.s. Hi Art, we still on for golf tomorrow ??

 

[\"The Great One\"]

"Art Deco" <art.colorado.carl.deco@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 11, 12:42 am, "\"The Great One\"" <honestj...@centurytel.net>
wrote:

"Art Deco" <art.colorado.carl.d...@gmail.com> wrote in message


news:b519dfe2-b44f-4ba8-ae98-23bc18114edd@c2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...

With great regret and crying and weeping, Peter "Eater' Ross had to
fire Lionel Lauer a.k.a. Bob Larter from his Temporary FNVW job
yesterday due to Lionel's incompetence and inability to post to AUK
24/7 as required by PJR for PJR's Domination of the World through
AUK.!

We all wish Lionel Lauer a better future and good luck on his
upcoming
sex-change!
--
Art Deco

Gee, that's too fuckin' Bad.....I enjoyed kicking his "corseted" ass
!!
--
John C.

p.s. Hi Art, we still on for golf tomorrow ??

Hi John, let's make it aroun two in the afternon as too early and I
might get my balls wet.
--
Art Deco
~~~~~~~~~~

LOL !! I thought that you were going to say that getting your
"putter" wet would make it curve to the right when hanging down.......
--
Your Best Bud,
John C.

 

[\"The Great One\"]

"slunky" <slunky@cryptobug.com> wrote in message
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_/ illyria <illyria.anell@ymail.com> wrote \_
slunky wrote:
_/ T h ? M u n t d r ? g g ? r <TheMuntDregger@GoogleMail.Com
wrote \_
illyria wrote:
in your other post where you outed yourself as a pedophile you
said
you were 40
Seeing as i'm not 40, nor anywhere near, looks like that might be
a
little freudian slip on your part.

Think older, illyria. Think creepier. Think 49.

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49 years of age <groan

lol

and he lied, too, 49 is pretty near 40

and he did say in his profile of the typical pedophile "40-something"
so
he was still outing himself.
--
-slunky

Bob "Lionel Lauer" Larter is getting his pecker snipped next
month........
--
HJ

 

[\"The Great One\"]

"Bob Larter" <bobbylarter@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Gregory Hall wrote:
""The Great One"" <honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote in message
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"miguel" <mungge@mungge.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:54:21 -0500, "\"The Great One\""
honestjohn@centurytel.net> wrote:

"Respondant" <Respondant@none.invalid> wrote in message
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miguel wrote:

On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:05:04 -0400, "Respondant"
Respondant@none.invalid> wrote:

miguel wrote:

On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:55:24 -0400, "Respondant"
Respondant@none.invalid> wrote:

miguel wrote:

On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:30:16 -0400, "Respondant"
Respondant@none.invalid> wrote:

[Thead morphage about Lionel's panties or something which
wound
up with me starting a NEW THREAD = "Ping Miguel"]

(paraphrasing now)

Me: Hey miguel, I hear you're restoring a vintage boat.
Take
a
look at this video of a '62 T-Bird I'm working on.

Miguel: Nice.

Me: Here's another video:

Miguel: That car looks straight, any rust?

Me: Not so much on the outside, but the cooling system
went
to
hell. Engine (390) is rock-solid.

Miguel: I once had a '69 T-Bird with a 429 that I used to
pull
a a yacht up a 15 degree grade while doing 85 around
corners.
Me: You win. Best I could do was 90 on the parkway even
with
a
PBA card in my wallet.

Miguel: I upgraded the suspension.

Me: Well, I try to time my visits to Foodtown so they
coincide
with the arrival of the senior bus so I get all the hawt
girl
attention.

[Yeah. Real fuckin' SERIOUS conversation we had going on
there,
idiots.]

Aratzio and Ploddy barge in: ZOOOOMYGOD! The specs on a
69
t-bird with a 429 are this and that and the other .....
besides,
you put zillions of lives in danger you with your
wreckless
driving and stuff!

/And *I'm* a "kook"?

Bill

Hush now. You're interfering with their victolly dance.
Meat
Plow
is still trying to figure it out. Send good thoughts his
way.
It really is amazing isn't it? It's right there for all the
world
to see, yet Lenny and Squiggy can't admit they stepped on
their
own
dicks.

Next thing ya know they'll claim I was in on it the whole
time,
or
that I wasn't really thinking what I was thinking.

I'll bet you anything what really happened is that they
never
went
back and read the entire thread to see what lead up to your,
"up
the hill pulling a yacht around corners at 85MPH" post,
which
is
where we went from serious to silly. All they saw was
*that*
post
of yours, and in they came. From there, is when you picked
up
the
ball and ran with it. THAT (imo) is when it beacame a
troll.
But
in their haste to make you look like a fool, they wound up
trolling
themselves instead. And that's it. Everybody knows it.
It's
incontrovertible for those without an agenda. Those WITH
agendas
will continue to try and spin it into something else.

Enjoy your HLS. Although, you really didn't earn it. All
you
did
was accidently drop a line in the water and came up with at
least
two fish ya lucky bastard.

I once fished at a lake near Spanaway called Silver Lake. The
perch
were so desperate for food they'd bite a hook that had
nothing
on
it
but the scent of dead worm. I don't know what made me think
of
that.
I once inadvertantly went fishing in Lake Oswego in Burlington
County, NJ. All I had to do was dump my canoe, and don't you
know
.... Once I righted it and hopped back in there were 2
pickerel
on
the bottom just waiting for me to bring them home?

I don't know what made me think of that, either.

aside> How much ya wanna bet (another American dollar?) that
if
anybody joins us in this we all get nominated for a "Circle
Jerk"
because you *made* Aratzio and Ploddy make asses of
themselves?

I'd be inclined to take that bet because I'm supposed to be net
dead.
Right. My mistake. I forgot.

What amuses me most is that Aratzio's behavior fits "the way of
the
kook" like a glove. "Never quit when you're behind." "When
you've
dug
a hole for yourself, keep shoveling."
None of that applies to the "cool kids" or their retarded
mascot,
Meat
Plod.
I mean, wtf? His behavior has been far kookier than Seamus
MacRae's,
yet who's been labeled?
Ask Rhonda 'bout the double-standard in AUK sometime. I'll bet
she
has a
word or two for ya.

Bill

/Space below reserved for AUKtards to write that I asked Rhonda
for
help or
some other twisted fuckwittery.
If Roz Ratz & Fat-Boi Plow do that, then they are dumber than a
retarded
ape-man called "colon Jake" !!
Roz Ratz will do it. He can't help himself. I feel kind of sorry
for
him.
I'm sure that Roz is grooming herself for the Permanent FNVW job
that
PJR is taking applications for as Whinel Lionel has been such a
disappointing failure !!
--
John C.



Roz would probably make a very accomplished FNVW (Faggy Nitwit Vote
Wrangler) because, like her nowhere-in-sight predecessor, Pinky Sue,
Roz can
pretty easily cross-dress herself into hiding when she screws up
royally -
which is more often than not.

And, I bet Roz sucks a mean Wookie dick so she's almost a shoe-in as
it's
known throughout Usenet that Roz has the experience and expertise
necessary
to suck any dick to conclusion in very short order no matter the
species.

Gweggie, you & HandJob write possibly the lamest insults I've ever
seen
on Usenet.
--
Coward Bob "fer knobs" Larter

Why thank you for that compliment, "O Great Croset-Boi":

http://sex4adults.net/shemalerevenge/08good-galls/12.jpg

"Birds & Bees" with your boy ??
--
HJ

 

[\"The Great One\"]

"Bob Larter" <bobbylarter@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Seamus MacRae <smacrae319@live.ca.invalid> wrote:

Incoherent.

Alert! "Seamus MacRae" spreads his idiotic flaming technique in a
crosspost approaching spam thresholds in case someone on Usenet
hadn't
yet concluded that he's pathetic. Film at 11.

Typical ShameArse.
--
Whinel "Corset-Boi" Lionel:
http://sex4adults.net/shemalerevenge/08good-galls/12.jpg

You tell em, "Bung-hole Wrangler" !!
--
HJ

 

[\"The Great One\"]

"Bob Larter" <bobbylarter@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Seamus MacRae wrote:
phlatArse wrote:

Oh, lookie, the nymshifting coward fucked it up.

Seamus MacRae <smacrae319@live.ca.invalid> wrote:
Bob Larter wrote:
CLUELESS NEWBIE OF THE MONTH
10 Seamus MacRae

Congratulations, Seamus! I'll be looking forward to that letter
from
your lawyer.
This is bogus on every single level.

Not only am I hereby nominating you for CNotM for June, I am also
nominating you for KotM for June for the above-noted dishonesty,
failure to recuse yourself, conflict of interest -- say, you don't
happen to be blood relatives of those judges from the pirate bay
trial do you?

Mr. Larter (to you) conducts himself as the fine upstanding
gentleman
he is.

blushes

"Mr. Larter" is no more a "fine upstanding gentleman" than you are,
O
Flatulent One.

Contrasted against your lying fuckhead status

I have no such status, you lying fuckhead.

You lied about being a Vietnam vet, fuckhead.

Bob is positively an angel.

If that's true, then his name is Lucifer.

...but you can call me Beelzebub. ;^)

ShitLips.

My name is Seamus, asshole.

Sure thing, ShameArse McClueless.
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[\"The Great One\"]

"Bob Larter" <bobbylarter@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Seamus MacRae wrote:
FlashŽ wrote:
Seamus MacRae with pointy head nodding vigorously wrote

Your physical descriptions are quite inaccurate. Unsurprising, since
they are not only guesses but wholly uneducated ones.

Your posting history show you using the
redirect long before posting to alt.free.newsservers.
To redirect a different waste of bandwidth the fuck out of a
different newsgroup.

[calls me a liar]

No, you're the liar, remember?

Some nitwit was posting complete bollocks in sci.physics, and,
unfortunately, whenever I followed up to correct the numerous
errors
regarding physics that he'd made, he'd post a reply chock-full of
yet more errors.

So you claim.
The problem with your claims is they are proven lies.

No, they are not, liar. Search sci.physics for "Starmaker" and
you'll
find the bollocks in question.

To set the record about physics in sci.physics straight
required doing one of two things: replying again and again until
the
cows came home, or redirecting the thread somewhere where physics
errors were not as bothersome, and where my corrections of same
were
more likely to go unnoticed by the errors' perpetrator and
therefore
less likely to draw another error-filled reply.

Besides making no sense at all in a Usenet methodology of
addressing a
seen error, your claim is again a lie.

It is not a lie and it makes a lot more sense than your mangled and
largely unintelligible paragraph above.

You were and are trolling, and not very skillfully at that.

You were and are lying, and not very skillfully at that.

Your posting history also shows you got like
treatment elsewhere for your lame pretence at being truthful.

You failed

I fail at nothing. You fail at everything. Not only are you
incapable of
following the rules of polite society or not spreading off-topic
crap to
random newsgroups with deliberate malicious crossposts, but you are
also
apparently incapable of even carrying out malicious actions
competently.
You're a completely, utterly useless excuse for a human being. Go
away.

ShitLips, again, you run

My name is Seamus and I run from nothing, liar.

You are a Veteran.
On the Field of Lies.
No, you are.

The truth at last!

So, you admit that you're a pathological liar.

Well, admitting you have a problem is generally the first step.
Shutting
the fuck up would be the second. Go on. I dare you to try it.

The gap between you and I, however, is immense.

It is indeed, but not in the way that you think.

You lie.

I do not.

I expose.

Public indecency is an offense under the law.

The rest of your post was highly incoherent and badly formatted,
rendering it basically unreadable. It has therefore been deleted
unread.
Have a nice day.

F'ups set appropriately.

You're an idiot, a liar, & an award-winning kook, ShameArse
McClueless.
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You tell em, "Bung-hole Wrangler" !!
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[\"The Great One\"]

"Bob Larter" <bobbylarter@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Sn!pe wrote:
[froups]

Seamus MacRae <smacrae319@live.ca.invalid> wrote:

phlatArse wrote:
Bob Larter <bobbylarter@gmail.com> wrote:
Sn!pe wrote:
Seamus MacRae <smacrae319@live.ca.invalid> wrote:
Bob Larter wrote:
Apparently not. ;^)
Not true.
Even if you had a case how will you make me subject to US law,
Seamus?
I live in England. Extraordinary Rendition is not an option.
I'm curious to see how he intends to sue me, as well.
http://www.ojr.org/ojr/law/1099435840.php

Read that and then shake in your boots, all of you.

[shake, shake]

Are you planning to sue me in the UK or US?

KookSoots come to the Antipodes?
KookSoots I guess being what they call it when one of you kooks is
sued
for defamation?

So, what is your case against me, Shameless Seamus?
Give chapter and verse, that'll make me shake in my boots even more.

I too, am waiting breathlessly to hear these revelations.
--
Whinel "Corset-Boi" Lionel:
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You tell em, "Bung-hole Wrangler" !!
--
HJ