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[Peter Hucker]

On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:00:23 -0000, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:

On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:38:31 -0000, "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.com
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:00:36 -0000, "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.com
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:48:06 -0000, "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.com
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:45:04 -0000, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:14:15 -0000, "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.com
wrote:

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I was being generous but you're right. It's slower even with twice the
memory.

Slower at what process?

The 'process' of being a desktop computer.

That is not very specific.

The responsiveness of a system is dependant on the whole and not one
'process'.

Yes, but there must be something specific that you find slow. Display of graphics? File management? Opening an application?

System responsiveness.

You mean reacting to clicking? Are you complaining abut the aero interface? Maybe you should turn it off - it's probably not slower because of the computer taking it's time, it's just slower because it has to animate things.

What do you find it takes longer dto do? I have not yet found anything that is slower.

I don't find it credible when you fail to 'find' what is reported as a
common problem by scores of others.

It is only a problem evident on machines with limited RAM. I insist on at least 1-2GB for XP and 3-4GB for Vista. Memory is dirt cheap, you may aswell put in as much as the motherboard will take.

That you apparently have money to burn wasn't the issue.

Which part of dirt cheap did you miss? The cost of the memory is nothing compared to the cost of the OS. Depending on memory type, I've seen 1GB of memory for as cheap as Ł9.

The issue was
being slower than XP on the same hardware and taking 'twice the
processor and 'twice the RAM' to get back to essentially where you
started.

And telling me that all it takes is to upgrade the processor and
double the RAM is saying the same thing despite you irrationally
trying to claim it isn't.

I never mentioned the processor.

You have to guess/presume?

You weren't supposed to take that word literally.

Then don't use the word.

What was I 'supposed' to do? Substitute whatever suits my fancy for
what you said?

Use context and stop pretending to be a robot.

The 'context' was you guessing as to the ''intent'.

It was me assuming you'd understand.

I did understand. You were, and apparently still are, guessing.

Then you misunderstood.

Good choice. No reason to make it slower than it already is.

I do not find it slow. I had Windows XP 32 bit on a machine. I installed Windows Vista 64 bit on that machine

Try comparing apples to apples, like 64 bit to 64 bit or 32 bit to 32
bit.

It works in the favour of my argument, the 64 bit OS is more hefty, and I would expect it to be slower if anything.

and increased the memory from 1GB to 3GB.

That's three times the memory, not twice.

Who said "twice"?

Me, and it was the thing you were supposedly arguing with. But since
you're unable to remember what the heck you're arguing with, and too
lazy to look in the message to find it, I'll quote it here: "But
needing twice the memory to run the same thing as before isn't any
'better' than needing twice the processor for the same performance."

All I was arguing about was that it runs just as fast with more memory.

Then you're arguing for no reason because that's the same thing I
said: that it takes twice the memory to get back where you started.

So what's the problem?

The precise amount more that you require I haven't measured, and is unimportant.

I've got a dozen machines here so, since memory is 'unimportant' to
you, kindly pop 36 1 Meg sticks in the mail to me.

You mean 1 Gig I presume. Assuming you didn't make dodgy copies of Vista, you've already spent far more than the cost of those sticks on the OS.

And in fact starts twice as fast.

I guess throwing up a splash screen works for you but I judge load
times by when things become fully operational.

From pressing the power switch to the network logon prompt is considerably faster. From the network logon prompt to everything being loaded and at full speed is about the same.

You seem to forget you're not the only one using the thing.

Why would it be slower depending who is using it?

It wouldn't be. Nor faster, Which is why you arguing against the
millions of other users with contradictory first hand experience is
silly.

Have all those people upgraded the memory accordingly?

Computers don't have favourite users.

You apparently think so, mainly you, because you deny every experience
of others and keep insisting that if three monkeys, hear no evil see
no evil speak no evil, you "haven't heard a complaint" then there
aren't any.

I know the people I support, and they certainly WOULD complain!

Which is why I said "You seem to forget you're not the only one using
the thing."

What a joke.

Besides not being able to read anything through the 'transparent blur'
even if you could the odds that something 'useful' would, by
happenstance, be in just the right spot under the border makes it
useless.

I don't try to read through it, but I can see what's under it. It just looks more natural.

You mean 'looks pretty'.

Would you rather we all went back to the pre-GUI days?

That's a stupid question because there's nothing about a GUI that
'requires' transparent window borders.

A GUI is there so you're not staring at a boring text screen. The nicer it looks the better.

Besides that having nothing to do with whether transparency is
'useful' or not it's utter nonsense.

You don't think a pleasing look is useful?

You really have no idea what a GUI is for.

It doesn't have one specific purpose.

Do you have plain brick walls in your office and not paint them or hang pictures?

I don't claim that decorations make spreadsheets work better.

And since you will, no doubt, be completely lost by your own strawman
diversion, the issue was what's *useful* vs just 'pretty'.

Why is it you think an office should be decorated and a spreadsheet not? People stare at spreadsheets for longer periods of time than walls.

Glad to hear it but unless you imagine they made Vista for just you
then your fortunate luck doesn't mean anything.

I know many people with Vista, and nobody has complained about not being able to use anything except perhaps the odd third party freebie utility.

Then you either don't know as 'many' people as you claim or they only
use the limited software set you do but compatibility problems with
Vista are legion and that's one reason, in addition to all the
hardware incompatibilities, why MS has their 'Vista Upgrade Advisor."

Things have gotten better as vendors struggle to patch and 'upgrade'
their products to work with Vista but that doesn't solve everyone's
problem, especially if they're on an older version where their only
choice might be to buy the latest release or do without.

List a few things that have compatibility problems then. For christ's sake I don't even have many problems with games, and they're usually the worst offender.

For obvious reasons Microsoft doesn't publish a list of incompatible
programs. You get the good news at install when it informs you of what
'might not work right' after the upgrade and which one's it insists
you remove before proceeding further.

I've never seen a complaint from an upgrade apart from the odd utility which was installed years ago and nobody uses anymore. I usually delete it or get a newer version.

And all you're doing is demonstrating your limited experience.

There are 750 computers where I work.

That reminds me of the interview who said he had 20 years of
experience and the interviewer said looks to me like 1 years worth of
experience repeated 20 times over.

Replicating a fortunate combination 750 times simply means you have
750 copies of the one fortunate combination.

But go ahead and tell me you currently run every software product ever
made.

I run a big enough selection. If you run some unusual small-time third party rubbish, then you may experience things differently.

And you do people a disservice by claiming they can upgrade and
'everything' except "perhaps the odd third party freebie utility" is
going to work just fine afterwards.

Haven't had a complaint yet.

I didn't know the world was supposed to copy you on the memo.

What on earth do you mean? Do you think people won't complain when something I did fails?

What makes you think everyone in the world even knows you exist, much
less inform you of every problem they encounter?

I was obviously referring to the people using the computers I work with.

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The best parliament is a well-hung one?

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:54:21 -0000, "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.com> wrote:

It doesn't have one specific purpose.

Sure it does. It points out total retards like you for what you are.

 

[Joe McElvenney]

Hi,

Apologies the markings should read - MCI (not MCS) MTI 90A.


Cheers - Joe

 

[LC]

On Dec 23, 9:05 am, Bonbon <tresbon...@aol.com> wrote:

I just though I'd pop in and wish all my old friends a Merry Christmas
and a Happy New Year.

I see the ng has sunk even further into the dregs. What a shame.
But, the show goes on with good stuff and bad stuff.

Bonbon

Thanks but it really would be a merry christmas if i had the company
of one of the young lads. I think about them late at night when i
explode in waves of pleasure!

Join me?

LC~ realizes that "young, dumb and full of cum" isn't necessarily a
bad thing <wink>

 

[Pat Cheney]

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 11:47:06 -0800, SMS wrote:

They said it was "usb" but they never said it was "proprietary USB".
Does anyone know WHY they didn't say that additional word?

For the same reason that reviews of cell phones don't mention the type
of charging connector. The review sites don't understand that it's a
feature of concern to some buyers. Actually when I buy a cell phone
these days, I won't buy one that uses a proprietary power connector, but
you can't find that information out easily without looking at the phone.

You're so right!

I never buy a cell phone without finding out first if it's mini-usb or not.
Same with headphones and gps navigation units.

One problem I've found with cellphones is Motorola. For some reason,
Motorola USB is "special" USB.

I've found that Motorola chargers work fine with all other phones but
Motorola phones don't work well with the other chargers. But I found a
solution that works so that a single charger charges all my electronics.

This happened with my Blackberry 8700 two years ago and again with my new
Blackberry 9000 this year.

The solution was to buy from a large department store a 550 ma Motorola
mini-usb charger and then to turn around a day later and return it. But, in
the box I put the brand-new 750ma Blackberry mini-USB charger instead of
the Motorola charger.

I would hope EVERYONE would do this. When Motorola gets thousands of
Blackberry or Garmin mini-usb chargers, they'll figure out their error.

Luckily, for the past two years, I've had no problems using the Motorola
charger in all my portable electronics appliances so it's just the Motorola
phone (RAZR) that is the culprit.

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:33:36 -0800, Pat Cheney <pcheney@ymail.com> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

One problem I've found with cellphones is Motorola. For some reason,
Motorola USB is "special" USB.

I've found that Motorola chargers work fine with all other phones but
Motorola phones don't work well with the other chargers.

The difference could be just one resistor:
http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-A-N/razrv3_charger_pinout.shtml

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

 

[Jerry G.]

We have two Motorola phones in our family and I have a Blackberry. The
Blackberry can be recharge on most any standard mini USB cable from
most any of the standard mini USB chargers or car adaptors. This is
also including the Motorola charger and Motorola car adaptor.

The Motorola phone can only be recharged with the dedicated Motorola
charger. To use a generic charger with the Motorola phone it must be
specified for Motorola phones. This also applies to the car adaptors.

If I want to charge the Motorola phone on a PC, I have to have their
full program software installed. To recharge the Blackberry I can have
their simple stand alone driver installed on any PC. I don't need the
complete software package.

What they did with the Motorola product is that the charger's voltage
control circuits have to send to the phone an ID data packet to tell
the phone that it is allowed to be recharged with that device. The
phone will then allow itself to accept the charge current from the
charger. In simple words, the charger has to make the phone think it
is on a powered USB port and the necessary driver is active for the
phone.

Many dealers who sell these generic chargers are not aware of this
requirement for the Motorola phone. When buying a generic charger it
is important to try it in the store with your phone. You may come home
and find that the charger you bought will not work with your Motorola
phone.

Personally, I like the Motorola phone. I like the way it sounds and
the layout of the menus, and etc. I am very disappointed at the way
they designed the charging and accessory part of it.

Because of the driver and charging limitations with the Motorola
phones, I am considering to not buy new Motorola phones after these
have finished their life span. I will most likely buy Blackberries, or
another manufacture's phone to replace them. I found the Blackberry to
be very universal and less of a problem for flexibility.

With the Motorola phone I have to be careful that I have the dedicated
charger and car adaptor with me when I travel with it. I cannot share
the accessories with other manufacture phones that use the same
connectors and voltage specifications for recharging and operation.

Making a product very proprietary actually works against the
manufacture. Some manufactures think they are protecting their product
accessories. But, all they are doing is making the customer unhappy,
and he will not come back again. I won't!



Jerry G.



On Dec 26, 3:33 pm, Pat Cheney <pche...@ymail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 11:47:06 -0800, SMS wrote:
They said it was "usb" but they never said it was "proprietary USB".
Does anyone know WHY they didn't say that additional word?

For the same reason that reviews of cell phones don't mention the type
of charging connector. The review sites don't understand that it's a
feature of concern to some buyers. Actually when I buy a cell phone
these days, I won't buy one that uses a proprietary power connector, but
you can't find that information out easily without looking at the phone..

You're so right!

I never buy a cell phone without finding out first if it's mini-usb or not.
Same with headphones and gps navigation units.

One problem I've found with cellphones is Motorola. For some reason,
Motorola USB is "special" USB.

I've found that Motorola chargers work fine with all other phones but
Motorola phones don't work well with the other chargers. But I found a
solution that works so that a single charger charges all my electronics.

This happened with my Blackberry 8700 two years ago and again with my new
Blackberry 9000 this year.

The solution was to buy from a large department store a 550 ma Motorola
mini-usb charger and then to turn around a day later and return it. But, in
the box I put the brand-new 750ma Blackberry mini-USB charger instead of
the Motorola charger.

I would hope EVERYONE would do this. When Motorola gets thousands of
Blackberry or Garmin mini-usb chargers, they'll figure out their error.

Luckily, for the past two years, I've had no problems using the Motorola
charger in all my portable electronics appliances so it's just the Motorola
phone (RAZR) that is the culprit.

 

[John Navas]

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 15:59:39 -0800 (PST), "Jerry G."
<jerryg50@hotmail.com> wrote in
<e276fa6f-50b8-4a43-aec5-ef200845d725@y1g2000pra.googlegroups.com>:

We have two Motorola phones in our family and I have a Blackberry. The
Blackberry can be recharge on most any standard mini USB cable from
most any of the standard mini USB chargers or car adaptors. This is
also including the Motorola charger and Motorola car adaptor.

The Motorola phone can only be recharged with the dedicated Motorola
charger. To use a generic charger with the Motorola phone it must be
specified for Motorola phones. This also applies to the car adaptors.

If I want to charge the Motorola phone on a PC, I have to have their
full program software installed. To recharge the Blackberry I can have
their simple stand alone driver installed on any PC. I don't need the
complete software package.

What they did with the Motorola product is that the charger's voltage
control circuits have to send to the phone an ID data packet to tell
the phone that it is allowed to be recharged with that device. ...

Not so. It's simply a matter of the number of pins in the connector,
and the right signals on those pins. My Motorola V3xx charges just fine
from my computer with nothing from Motorola installed.

--
Very best wishes for the holiday season and for the coming new year,
John

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 11:14:49 +1100, Franc Zabkar
<fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:33:36 -0800, Pat Cheney <pcheney@ymail.com> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

One problem I've found with cellphones is Motorola. For some reason,
Motorola USB is "special" USB.

I've found that Motorola chargers work fine with all other phones but
Motorola phones don't work well with the other chargers.

The difference could be just one resistor:
http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-A-N/razrv3_charger_pinout.shtml

I also believe that some devices will look for the presence of pullup
or pull-down resistors on the Data+ and/or Data- signal pins. In this
way the device knows when it is connected to a USB host, in which case
it will limit its current draw to 500mA. Otherwise it thinks it is
connected to a fast charger, and then it draws whatever current it
wants.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

 

[John Navas]

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:33:36 -0800, Pat Cheney <pcheney@ymail.com> wrote
in <zeb5l.11062$x%.8576@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>:

I never buy a cell phone without finding out first if it's mini-usb or not.
Same with headphones and gps navigation units.

One problem I've found with cellphones is Motorola. For some reason,
Motorola USB is "special" USB.

I've found that Motorola chargers work fine with all other phones but
Motorola phones don't work well with the other chargers. ...

This is actually just a matter of the wrong cable / connection.

The problem is that not all Standard-A to Mini-B USB cables are the same
-- there are both 5-connection cables and 4-connection cables, and only
proper 5-connector cables will work properly without a Motorola USB
driver. Standard USB has only 4 connections. Mini USB has 5
connections, the extra connection being the device ID pin.

--
Very best wishes for the holiday season and for the coming new year,
John

 

[hr(bob) hofmann@att.net]

On Dec 26, 8:11 pm, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:33:36 -0800, Pat Cheney <pche...@ymail.com> wrote
in <zeb5l.11062$x%.8...@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>:

I never buy a cell phone without finding out first if it's mini-usb or not.
Same with headphones and gps navigation units.

One problem I've found with cellphones is Motorola. For some reason,
Motorola USB is "special" USB.

I've found that Motorola chargers work fine with all other phones but
Motorola phones don't work well with the other chargers. ...

This is actually just a matter of the wrong cable / connection.

The problem is that not all Standard-A to Mini-B USB cables are the same
-- there are both 5-connection cables and 4-connection cables, and only
proper 5-connector cables will work properly without a Motorola USB
driver.  Standard USB has only 4 connections.  Mini USB has 5
connections, the extra connection being the device ID pin.

--
Very best wishes for the holiday season and for the coming new year,
John

But that does not solve the problem of the OP or the first reply.

 

[John Navas]

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:41:06 -0800 (PST), "hr(bob) hofmann@att.net"
<hrhofmann@att.net> wrote in
<631da0ba-352d-4c2a-884d-ddd71fa06c81@40g2000prx.googlegroups.com>:

On Dec 26, 8:11 pm, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:

This is actually just a matter of the wrong cable / connection.

The problem is that not all Standard-A to Mini-B USB cables are the same
-- there are both 5-connection cables and 4-connection cables, and only
proper 5-connector cables will work properly without a Motorola USB
driver.  Standard USB has only 4 connections.  Mini USB has 5
connections, the extra connection being the device ID pin.

But that does not solve the problem of the OP or the first reply.

The issue (not really a problem) is essentially the same thing: assuming
there's only one possible connector, which is his mistake, not some sort
of dishonesty by the manufacturer.

--
Very best wishes for the holiday season and for the coming new year,
John

 

[John Navas]

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:56:05 +1100, Franc Zabkar
<fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in
<hk2bl41hqf2cqiovn2vh1mashrn3dq9bc6@4ax.com>:

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 11:14:49 +1100, Franc Zabkar
fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and composed:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:33:36 -0800, Pat Cheney <pcheney@ymail.com> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

One problem I've found with cellphones is Motorola. For some reason,
Motorola USB is "special" USB.

I've found that Motorola chargers work fine with all other phones but
Motorola phones don't work well with the other chargers.

The difference could be just one resistor:
http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-A-N/razrv3_charger_pinout.shtml

I also believe that some devices will look for the presence of pullup
or pull-down resistors on the Data+ and/or Data- signal pins. In this
way the device knows when it is connected to a USB host, in which case
it will limit its current draw to 500mA. Otherwise it thinks it is
connected to a fast charger, and then it draws whatever current it
wants.

People, people, enough with the mystery and speculation -- this is part
of the USB standard! It's called ID, and is clearly defined. See
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_serial_bus#USB_cables>

--
Very best wishes for the holiday season and for the coming new year,
John

 

[Pat Cheney]

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 15:59:39 -0800 (PST), Jerry G. wrote:

If I want to charge the Motorola phone on a PC, I have to have their
full program software installed. To recharge the Blackberry I can have
their simple stand alone driver installed on any PC. I don't need the
complete software package.

Hi Jerry G.
Thank you! You are the voice of reason, experience, and knowledge!

You've solved a problem that caused me a problem in the past!

This explains why I couldn't charge my daughter's Motorola RAZR on a
vacation this summer. I thought it was the cable even though I had used the
cable on my Blackberry and it worked just fine. I threw away the mini-usb
cable thinking it was bad! Now I know it wasn't bad. It was just not the
Motorola mini-usb cable!

The referenced URL below also says why. Thank you for pointing this out!
http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-A-N/razrv3_charger_pinout.shtml

Pat
PS: The solution is to buy a new Motorola cable, and return the brand new
Blackberry cable in its place.

RAZR V3 will not charge by simply supplying 5V through USB (it"s possible
to use a common USB cable for charging if you are using the Motorola
special PC driver software).
Motorola uses the pin between Pin #3 and #4 (Pin X) to sense what device is
attached to the mini-USB port. Shorting Pin #3 to #2 and #X causes the
phone to go into handsfree/carkit mode and the LCD backlight will ignore
timeout settings and stay on.
Shorting pin X to pin 2 and to pin 4 via R=200KOhm causes the phone to go
into charge mode.

MOTORIZR Z6tv - In Order to make your PC charge your phone through a usb
cable w/o installing any special drivers or software: Short pins 2 and 3,
then put a 200K Ohm resistor between pins X and 4.

- The phone supplies ~2.14Vdc to pin X before anything is plugged
into it. It needs to be dropped 1V to approx 1.16Vdc. Putting a 200K Ohm
resistor between Pins X and 4 will bring that voltage down to around
1.16Vdc.

- The wall charger has pins 2 and 3 shorted together. Not sure if
it's a safe practice shorting the USB DATA lines together on your PC, so do
at your own risk. However, it does work on my terminal with out any ill
effects.
AC adapter
Pin Name Direction Description
1 +5 VDC -?- PC USB Pin 1 (+5 VDC).
2 USB Data -?- shorted to pin x in charger cable.
3 USB Data -?- not connected
X -?- Shorted to pin 2 + shorted to pin 4 via R=200KOhm in charge
cable. (R=165KOhm?)
4 GND -?- PC USB pin 4 (GND). Shorted to pin X via R=200KOhm in charge
cable. (R=165KOhm?)



Comment by Darrin
A standard Motorola USB charger puts ~1.4vdc onto the x pin of the mini USB
plug. A 200k resistor between pin 2 and 4 produces ~1.9vdc on the x pin.
This works for Motorola Q (which works from ~1.2vdc to ~1.9vdc), but not
for Razr V3m. I had to lower the resistor to 165k. This produces ~1.5vdc
and allows the charger to become authorized.

Comment by Andre
After many trial and error, the working pinout for my RAZR V3C was to short
2 and 3 THEN Short X and Gnd with a 200KOhm resistor. Work good on my
unbranded USB car charger and with a PC without any driver installed.

Here is a schematic :

1 _____________ +5V ____________
2 _______,
PHONE SIDE 3_______/
USB / Power Supply side
X_______/\/200Kohm /\__,__ GND ___
4___________________/

 

[Pat Cheney]

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 18:11:39 -0800, John Navas wrote:

I've found that Motorola chargers work fine with all other phones but
Motorola phones don't work well with the other chargers. ...

This is actually just a matter of the wrong cable / connection.
The problem is that not all Standard-A to Mini-B USB cables are the same

Hi John,
While that may be the problem, the solution, for those of us with both
Blackberry and Motorola equipment, is to purchase Motorola cables and
return the new Blackberry equipment in its place.

Specifically the Blackberry comes with a 120/240-volt charger; you buy an
equivalent Motorola charger; and you return the brand new Blackberry
charger in its stead.

Likweise with the new Blackberry mini-USB cable and, if you bought the car
adapter, that too.

This works fine because the Blackberry equipment will work just fine with
the Motorola cables and chargers and adapters but the Motorola phone won't
work with the Blackberry cables and chargers and adapters.

This solves the problem instantly. At any time, I can grab any one of my
many Motorola chargers or cables or adapters and charge all my electronics
that use the mini-USB standard.

Thanks Jerry G. for solving this problem for us!

 

[John Navas]

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:18:25 -0800, Pat Cheney <pcheney@ymail.com> wrote
in <4Hk5l.11146$x%.10850@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 15:59:39 -0800 (PST), Jerry G. wrote:

If I want to charge the Motorola phone on a PC, I have to have their
full program software installed. To recharge the Blackberry I can have
their simple stand alone driver installed on any PC. I don't need the
complete software package.

Hi Jerry G.
Thank you! You are the voice of reason, experience, and knowledge!

Except he's not entirely correct. See my follow-up.
You've made the same mistake you made with the camera.

You've solved a problem that caused me a problem in the past!

This explains why I couldn't charge my daughter's Motorola RAZR on a
vacation this summer. I thought it was the cable even though I had used the
cable on my Blackberry and it worked just fine. I threw away the mini-usb
cable thinking it was bad! Now I know it wasn't bad. It was just not the
Motorola mini-usb cable!

No, it was just not a standard Mini-USB cable.
Many cables don't do the ID properly.

PS: The solution is to buy a new Motorola cable, and return the brand new
Blackberry cable in its place.

RAZR V3 will not charge by simply supplying 5V through USB (it"s possible
to use a common USB cable for charging if you are using the Motorola
special PC driver software).

Any standard 5-connector cable will do.

Motorola uses the pin between Pin #3 and #4 (Pin X) to sense what device is
attached to the mini-USB port.

That's the standard.

Shorting Pin #3 to #2 and #X causes the
phone to go into handsfree/carkit mode and the LCD backlight will ignore
timeout settings and stay on.
Shorting pin X to pin 2 and to pin 4 via R=200KOhm causes the phone to go
into charge mode.
[snip]

Not correct. Read the standard definition.

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[John Navas]

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:23:11 -0800, Pat Cheney <pcheney@ymail.com> wrote
in <yLk5l.8903$W06.2631@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com>:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 18:11:39 -0800, John Navas wrote:

I've found that Motorola chargers work fine with all other phones but
Motorola phones don't work well with the other chargers. ...

This is actually just a matter of the wrong cable / connection.
The problem is that not all Standard-A to Mini-B USB cables are the same

While that may be the problem, the solution, for those of us with both
Blackberry and Motorola equipment, is to purchase Motorola cables and
return the new Blackberry equipment in its place.

Any
_standard_
cable
will
do.

Thanks Jerry G. for solving this problem for us!

What he posted was substantially erroneous.
You're compounding the problem.
Learn first. Then rant.

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John

 

[Pat Cheney]

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:27:52 -0800, John Navas wrote:

Not correct. Read the standard definition.

Hi John,
I'm confused by all the cable pin out information so I won't respond
directly but will read and reread the replies to see if I understand.

All I know is that it "seemed" to me that the Motorola cabling worked on
both the Motorola and Blackberry equipment (at least that has been my
experience).

So, I admit, I might be wrong and this is getting OT anyway but my
"solution" seemed to work (which was to replace all my Blackberry cabling
with Motorola cabling).

Pat

 

[Pat Cheney]

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 23:30:29 -0800, John Navas wrote:

Any _standard_ cable will do.

I admit I don't understand the cabling at all.

All I ask is, given the information above, is whether the Motorola cables
are more standard then than the Blackberry cables?

Is that why the Motorola cabling works with the Blackberry but the
Blackberry cabling doesn't work with Motorola equipment?

Pat
PS: I'm out of my league on the cabling, I admit.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Pat Cheney wrote:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 18:11:39 -0800, John Navas wrote:

I've found that Motorola chargers work fine with all other phones but
Motorola phones don't work well with the other chargers. ...

This is actually just a matter of the wrong cable / connection.
The problem is that not all Standard-A to Mini-B USB cables are the same

Hi John,
While that may be the problem, the solution, for those of us with both
Blackberry and Motorola equipment, is to purchase Motorola cables and
return the new Blackberry equipment in its place.

So YOUR answer is to be a thief?


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