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[Gary H]

Mxsmanic wrote:

Gary H writes:


Awwww, please don't practice your dime store psychology on me?


I don't recall mentioning you. Hmm.

Inferred.

I know Bill Gates is much much smarter than I am, no question
about it. I didn't say he wasn't. I merely said he was a thief
with accomplices before and after the fact. Why do you have to
make it complicated?


Do you find "dime-store" psychology to be complicated?

Nope, just useless.

Bill Gates is no more a thief than any other corporate CEO. He
happens to be the founder of a very successful company, and the
founders of successful companies are routinely demonized, typically
without any rational basis for doing so.

Non sequitur. I wasn't discussing the matter nor comparing the
individual to anyone else. Just making a statement.

 

[David Maynard]

Gary H wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:

Many people refuse to believe that anyone could become more successful
than themselves through purely legitimate means because it implies
that these such a person might be smarter than they are, and they
cannot accept this possibility.


Awwww, please don't practice your dime store psychology on me? I know
Bill Gates is much much smarter than I am, no question about it. I
didn't say he wasn't. I merely said he was a thief with accomplices
before and after the fact. Why do you have to make it complicated?

Because you demonstrate the trait even in the denial of it.

 

[Gary H]

David Maynard wrote:

Because you demonstrate the trait even in the denial of it.

Jeeze, another would be amateur psychologist. Lawd hep us!!

 

[David Maynard]

Gary H wrote:

David Maynard wrote:

Well, opinions *are* allowed



Opinions are like rear ends: everybody's got one. But I didn't say you
couldn't have an 'opinion'. I said it was none of your business.


Never said it was my business,

You didn't have to as it's implicit in your 'critique', as if it's any of
your business.

just stated an opinion.

And I just stated it's none of your business.

and no, he got rich because mom and pop made sure things were
fast-tracked



Sure. Go ahead and tell me how "mom and pop" coerced mega-giant IBM
into contracting Microsoft for Basic and DOS.


It's available everywhere. Find it yourself and post if you desire.

You're the one making the claim and the accusation. It's not up to me to do
your supporting research.

and I'm not bitching



It's precisely what you're doing.


Did, didn't, did, didn't. There's a stupid argument that could go on
all day.

It's self evident.

I've got plenty to keep me warm and happy. How about you.

None of your business.

True statement that.


Damn, snotty little soul aren't you?

I find it mildly amusing when those who spit out accusations (thief, liar,
whatever) then accuse perceived 'defenders' of being 'snotty', or some
other pejorative.

 

[Gary H]

David Maynard wrote:

Gary H wrote:

David Maynard wrote:

Well, opinions *are* allowed




Opinions are like rear ends: everybody's got one. But I didn't say
you couldn't have an 'opinion'. I said it was none of your business.



Never said it was my business,


You didn't have to as it's implicit in your 'critique', as if it's any
of your business.

just stated an opinion.


And I just stated it's none of your business.

and no, he got rich because mom and pop made sure things were
fast-tracked




Sure. Go ahead and tell me how "mom and pop" coerced mega-giant IBM
into contracting Microsoft for Basic and DOS.



It's available everywhere. Find it yourself and post if you desire.


You're the one making the claim and the accusation. It's not up to me to
do your supporting research.


and I'm not bitching




It's precisely what you're doing.



Did, didn't, did, didn't. There's a stupid argument that could go on
all day.


It's self evident.

I've got plenty to keep me warm and happy. How about you.


None of your business.

True statement that.


Damn, snotty little soul aren't you?


I find it mildly amusing when those who spit out accusations (thief,
liar, whatever) then accuse perceived 'defenders' of being 'snotty', or
some other pejorative.

I find it mildly amusing when some people hang out in these NGs
simply to show off their vocabularies and to instigate arguments??

I find that most folks like the BGs of the world, you know, the
Rockefellers and such...
Their money always seems to become more respectable, the older
it gets.

As for me, just a point of view and that's about as simple as
it gets. If you feel you have to jump to the defense of these
poor helpless folks, then go for it. Shrug.

Defend as much as you wish, go to war for them, bow and pray to
them, so what. It still boils down to opinion and all the
arguing in the world isn't going to change that.

When it comes to folks like them, you would like to be able to
kiss ass, I'd like to be able to kick ass. See, just a
different point of view. Get over it.

So, further response on this one would seem unnecessary on my part.

Have a good day, maybe Bill will send you a Christmas card.
Postage due.

 

[Gary H]

JAD wrote:

don't feel left out, maybe some bum will give you a card. Rich G are you
listening?
Your 'opinion spouts as envy. Why do you think its bowing , worshiping when
someone takes the opposite side and defends someone who isn't around to
defend himself? Your opinion is based on 'innuendo and is not thought out
very well. And bashing someone without the facts straight is ....well its
nonsense.

Ah well it's criticism based on many writings and rulings (I
suppose) by "experts". He's ended up in court in the US
(antitrust, guilty) and in Europe (antitrust, guilty) fined 32
million by South Korea's FTC (Fair Trade Commission, guilty)

Yeah, self made man, always by the book, never stiffed anyone.

Typical US mentality. Money first then trickle down to all the
other mundane stuff kicking and screaming all the way. Gimme a
break.

Willey was lucky (and smart). He grabbed CP/M before the market
conditions were what they are today. had he pulled something
like that in recent times, he'd have been in a courtroom so fast
he woulda been sucked out of his socks.

 

[JAD]

"Gary H" <g.h@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:WEYmf.92$El.19427@news20.bellglobal.com...

JAD wrote:

don't feel left out, maybe some bum will give you a card. Rich G are you
listening?
Your 'opinion spouts as envy. Why do you think its bowing , worshiping
when
someone takes the opposite side and defends someone who isn't around to
defend himself? Your opinion is based on 'innuendo and is not thought
out
very well. And bashing someone without the facts straight is ....well
its
nonsense.

Ah well it's criticism based on many writings and rulings (I
suppose) by "experts". He's ended up in court in the US
(antitrust, guilty) and in Europe (antitrust, guilty) fined 32
million by South Korea's FTC (Fair Trade Commission, guilty)

Yeah, self made man, always by the book, never stiffed anyone.

Typical US mentality. Money first then trickle down to all the
other mundane stuff kicking and screaming all the way. Gimme a
break.

Ahhhh I C now where its coming from...... and here I thought it actually
had something to do with money and Bill Gates........

Willey was lucky (and smart). He grabbed CP/M before the market
conditions were what they are today. had he pulled something
like that in recent times, he'd have been in a courtroom so fast
he woulda been sucked out of his socks.

 

[Mxsmanic]

Gary H writes:

Willey was lucky (and smart). He grabbed CP/M before the market
conditions were what they are today. had he pulled something
like that in recent times, he'd have been in a courtroom so fast
he woulda been sucked out of his socks.

No, he would not. Nothing has really changed in that respect. He
didn't really "pull" anything to begin with, and the consequences of
what he did or did not do would not be different today.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

 

[Gary H]

Mxsmanic wrote:

Gary H writes:


Willey was lucky (and smart). He grabbed CP/M before the market
conditions were what they are today. had he pulled something
like that in recent times, he'd have been in a courtroom so fast
he woulda been sucked out of his socks.


No, he would not. Nothing has really changed in that respect. He
didn't really "pull" anything to begin with, and the consequences of
what he did or did not do would not be different today.

As you wish.

 

[Gary H]

JAD wrote:

"Gary H" <g.h@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:WEYmf.92$El.19427@news20.bellglobal.com...

JAD wrote:


don't feel left out, maybe some bum will give you a card. Rich G are you
listening?
Your 'opinion spouts as envy. Why do you think its bowing , worshiping

when

someone takes the opposite side and defends someone who isn't around to
defend himself? Your opinion is based on 'innuendo and is not thought

out

very well. And bashing someone without the facts straight is ....well

its

nonsense.

Ah well it's criticism based on many writings and rulings (I
suppose) by "experts". He's ended up in court in the US
(antitrust, guilty) and in Europe (antitrust, guilty) fined 32
million by South Korea's FTC (Fair Trade Commission, guilty)

Yeah, self made man, always by the book, never stiffed anyone.

Typical US mentality. Money first then trickle down to all the
other mundane stuff kicking and screaming all the way. Gimme a
break.


Ahhhh I C now where its coming from...... and here I thought it actually
had something to do with money and Bill Gates........

If the shoe fits?????

Willey was lucky (and smart). He grabbed CP/M before the market
conditions were what they are today. had he pulled something
like that in recent times, he'd have been in a courtroom so fast
he woulda been sucked out of his socks.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Mxsmanic wrote:

Michael A. Terrell writes:

I never begged. I found odd jobs and paid for my own food. I may have
slept in my truck and taken showers at a relatives house, but I was
never a bum.

Beggars and bums are not synonymous. There are situations and times
in which some people may be temporarily reduced to begging without
this necessarily reflecting upon their habitual industry. It is true
that someone who chooses voluntarily to make a career of begging over
the long term may be somewhat of a bum, particularly in developed
countries where so many other options exist.

The only people I have seen begging fit Rich's description of
alcoholics wanting booze. I've seen them with "Will work for food signs"
and they got pissed when someone stopped and gave them food instead of
money.

Around here that will get you arrested. The homeless live in the
Ocala national forest and are treated like trash. A lot of them are
veterans we are trying to help find jobs and get back on their feet but
most want nothing to do with anyone outside of their camouflaged camps.

Yours must be a very cruel society.

Gee, its easy for you to judge others. Its a warm climate and these
people hive migrated here from all over the country. Some have mental
problems, others are thieves. They make no attempt to fit in with people
outside their small groups, and most encounters are when they are
stealing something. How do you expect people to think of them? They
have been offered help, food and clothing along with a place to shower
for free. Their reaction was to start more trouble. Some have been
arrested a number of times.


--
?

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[JAD]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:439C67B4.FF564383@earthlink.net...

Mxsmanic wrote:

Michael A. Terrell writes:

I never begged. I found odd jobs and paid for my own food. I may have
slept in my truck and taken showers at a relatives house, but I was
never a bum.

Beggars and bums are not synonymous. There are situations and times
in which some people may be temporarily reduced to begging without
this necessarily reflecting upon their habitual industry. It is true
that someone who chooses voluntarily to make a career of begging over
the long term may be somewhat of a bum, particularly in developed
countries where so many other options exist.


The only people I have seen begging fit Rich's description of
alcoholics wanting booze. I've seen them with "Will work for food signs"
and they got pissed when someone stopped and gave them food instead of
money.

Around here that will get you arrested. The homeless live in the
Ocala national forest and are treated like trash. A lot of them are
veterans we are trying to help find jobs and get back on their feet
but
most want nothing to do with anyone outside of their camouflaged
camps.

Yours must be a very cruel society.


Gee, its easy for you to judge others. Its a warm climate and these
people hive migrated here from all over the country. Some have mental
problems, others are thieves. They make no attempt to fit in with people
outside their small groups, and most encounters are when they are
stealing something. How do you expect people to think of them? They
have been offered help, food and clothing along with a place to shower
for free. Their reaction was to start more trouble. Some have been
arrested a number of times.

OH ok judge jury and executioner mike a terrel......... live with them, THEN
talk about what you have learned. How they got there, who put them there,
and why can't the richest nation in the world take some interest in
them.........until then STFU.............

--
?

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

JAD wrote:

OH ok judge jury and executioner mike a terrel......... live with them, THEN
talk about what you have learned. How they got there, who put them there,
and why can't the richest nation in the world take some interest in
them.........until then STFU.............

So, enlighten us! How do you help people who refuse to be helped?
Can you do that with only one hand on the keyboard?


--
?

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Gary H]

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

So, enlighten us! How do you help people who refuse to be helped?
Can you do that with only one hand on the keyboard?

That's the way it is chief. There are loads of people out there
who can fix all the world's problems from their armchairs but
when it comes down to the crunch, haven't got a practical
thought to bless themselves with.

Tons of armchair environmentalists out there as well, most of
whom have never planted a tree in their friggin' lives much less
saved one. They got the answers though. just ask 'em.

 

[Mxsmanic]

Michael A. Terrell writes:

So, enlighten us! How do you help people who refuse to be helped?
Can you do that with only one hand on the keyboard?

You're assimilating beggars with people who refuse to be helped. They
are not one and the same.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

 

[David Maynard]

Gary H wrote:

JAD wrote:

don't feel left out, maybe some bum will give you a card. Rich G are you
listening?
Your 'opinion spouts as envy. Why do you think its bowing , worshiping
when
someone takes the opposite side and defends someone who isn't around to
defend himself? Your opinion is based on 'innuendo and is not thought out
very well. And bashing someone without the facts straight is ....well its
nonsense.


Ah well it's criticism based on many writings and rulings (I suppose) by
"experts". He's ended up in court in the US (antitrust, guilty) and in
Europe (antitrust, guilty) fined 32 million by South Korea's FTC (Fair
Trade Commission, guilty)

Courts and Judges are positively clueless about the software world and to
call them 'experts' is absurd.

Yeah, self made man, always by the book, never stiffed anyone.

Typical US mentality. Money first then trickle down to all the other
mundane stuff kicking and screaming all the way. Gimme a break.

By your standards it must be 'typical non US mentality' to be class
prejudiced and irrationally vindictive then.

Willey was lucky (and smart). He grabbed CP/M

Utter B.S. He didn't 'grab CPM'. He made an O.S. that did similar
functions, just like any O.S. would have to do and just as CPM copied the
functionality of Dec RT-11, in their case right down to calling pip pip.

before the market
conditions were what they are today.

You want to know what the real 'secret' of his early success was? IBM
contacted DR for CPM but they wanted too much money up front for it while
Microsoft was willing to practically give DOS away and bet on the future
come when, they rightly predicted, IBM would dominate the market.

CPM had first shot at it and the preferred position but blew it. Who knows,
maybe they lost by thinking like you do intending to 'kick some rich
bastard ass' and make IBM pay through the nose for it. Nah, they were American.

had he pulled something like that
in recent times, he'd have been in a courtroom so fast he woulda been
sucked out of his socks.

More clueless B.S.

 

[David Maynard]

Gary H wrote:

David Maynard wrote:

Gary H wrote:

David Maynard wrote:

Well, opinions *are* allowed





Opinions are like rear ends: everybody's got one. But I didn't say
you couldn't have an 'opinion'. I said it was none of your business.




Never said it was my business,



You didn't have to as it's implicit in your 'critique', as if it's any
of your business.

just stated an opinion.



And I just stated it's none of your business.

and no, he got rich because mom and pop made sure things were
fast-tracked





Sure. Go ahead and tell me how "mom and pop" coerced mega-giant IBM
into contracting Microsoft for Basic and DOS.




It's available everywhere. Find it yourself and post if you desire.



You're the one making the claim and the accusation. It's not up to me
to do your supporting research.


and I'm not bitching





It's precisely what you're doing.




Did, didn't, did, didn't. There's a stupid argument that could go on
all day.



It's self evident.

I've got plenty to keep me warm and happy. How about you.



None of your business.

True statement that.


Damn, snotty little soul aren't you?



I find it mildly amusing when those who spit out accusations (thief,
liar, whatever) then accuse perceived 'defenders' of being 'snotty',
or some other pejorative.


I find it mildly amusing when some people hang out in these NGs simply
to show off their vocabularies and to instigate arguments??

Oh boo-hoo. You throw out baseless vindictives and then accuse a factual
response of 'instigating an argument'.

I find that most folks like the BGs of the world, you know, the
Rockefellers and such...
Their money always seems to become more respectable, the older it gets.

Oh yeah, sure. They're 'all the same'. You know, 'them'. 'Their kind'.

class bigot

As for me, just a point of view and that's about as simple as it gets.

Well, it's simple in that it's thoughtless.

If you feel you have to jump to the defense of these poor helpless
folks, then go for it. Shrug.

Utter nonsense. No one claimed BG was 'helpless' and, for all I know, he
might be able to pound you into the sand with one hand, count money on the
other, and befuddle you with an extended vocabulary all at the same time...
but then he's not here so you're safe to ape pound your chest and thump
ground at the illusory beastie.

Defend as much as you wish, go to war for them, bow and pray to them, so
what. It still boils down to opinion and all the arguing in the world
isn't going to change that.

No reason to let facts get in the way of a good solid prejudice, eh?

When it comes to folks like them, you would like to be able to kiss ass,
I'd like to be able to kick ass. See, just a different point of view.
Get over it.

What I 'like' is to treat everyone with the respect they deserve, even
'them', and most people who like to 'kick ass' eventually discover their
boot firmly planted in their own face from the irrational aim and ardent
overswing.

So, further response on this one would seem unnecessary on my part.

Have a good day, maybe Bill will send you a Christmas card. Postage
due.

He'd get the same treatment anyone else who sent me a postage due Christmas
card would.

 

[John Doe]

David Maynard <nospam@private.net> wrote:

Gary H wrote:

David Maynard wrote:


class bigot

name caller

If you feel you have to jump to the defense of these poor
helpless folks, then go for it. Shrug.

Utter nonsense. No one claimed [Bill Gates] was 'helpless' and,
for all I know, he might be able to pound you into the sand with
one hand, count money on the other, and

walk and eat pie at the same time

http://www.bitstorm.org/gates/

befuddle you with an extended vocabulary all at the same time...

while eating pie

No reason to let facts get in the way of a good solid prejudice,
eh?

Says someone who cannot even except the extremely well known and
decided in stone fact that Microsoft Windows is a monopoly.

 

[John Doe]

Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote:

Gary H writes:

It's available everywhere. Find it yourself and post if you
desire.

Those of us who were there are not deceived by revisionist
histories. In those days, it was big bad IBM versus tiny helpless
Microsoft, not the other way around. Microsoft didn't (and
couldn't) twist IBM's arm.

It wasn't all that Herculean. Apparently IBM didn't try very hard.
Microsoft did a good job of gaining a stranglehold on the personal
computer software market and never letting go, and that's where we
are today.

 

[John Doe]

David Maynard <nospam private.net> wrote:

Gary H wrote:


Ah well it's criticism based on many writings and rulings (I
suppose) by "experts". He's ended up in court in the US
(antitrust, guilty) and in Europe (antitrust, guilty) fined 32
million by South Korea's FTC (Fair Trade Commission, guilty)

Courts and Judges are positively clueless about the software world
and to call them 'experts' is absurd.

And apparently David Maynard is clueless about how justice works.
Judges are good at judging and rely on expert witnesses.

I smell a libertarian who believes everything the government does is
wrong (unless it agrees with his opinion).

But in fact if it weren't for our government every day deciding in
Microsoft's favor and using our police with guns to physically
inforce Microsoft's will, Microsoft would fall apart like a playing
card house. Put that in your Microsoft defending libertarian fantasy
land.

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