The 555 Has Been Around at Least 30 Years

Don Pearce · Nov 1, 2003

On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 14:58:46 GMT, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 11:04:41 +0000, the renowned Don Pearce
dxoxnxaxlxd@pearce.uk.com> wrote:

On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 02:58:03 -0800, Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, Dark
Remover" <alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote:

Actually they wouldn't be volcanic ash, just rivers of ashes from
burned brush and trees coming down the gullies.

The huge uncontrolled fires in the forests are being caused by the
bark beetles, which killed the trees weakened by the drought. Those
dead trees, which are normally evergreen, turned into giant torches.
That certainly is _not_ a 'normal part of the life cycle"!!
http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/2000/2557.html

I think we must allow bugs to be part of the natural cycle. And of
course one of the results of the burn is that the bugs are gone - so
you get a whole clean new growth.

Mudslides and flooding are also part of the natural cycle- you want to
let them take their course too?

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

Yup - come one, come all. They are only local blips anyway;
unimportant to the big picture.

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Jim Thompson · Nov 1, 2003

On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 15:03:22 +0000, Don Pearce
<dxoxnxaxlxd@pearce.uk.com> wrote:

On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 14:58:46 GMT, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 11:04:41 +0000, the renowned Don Pearce
dxoxnxaxlxd@pearce.uk.com> wrote:

On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 02:58:03 -0800, Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, Dark
Remover" <alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote:

Actually they wouldn't be volcanic ash, just rivers of ashes from
burned brush and trees coming down the gullies.

The huge uncontrolled fires in the forests are being caused by the
bark beetles, which killed the trees weakened by the drought. Those
dead trees, which are normally evergreen, turned into giant torches.
That certainly is _not_ a 'normal part of the life cycle"!!
http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/2000/2557.html

I think we must allow bugs to be part of the natural cycle. And of
course one of the results of the burn is that the bugs are gone - so
you get a whole clean new growth.

Mudslides and flooding are also part of the natural cycle- you want to
let them take their course too?

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

Yup - come one, come all. They are only local blips anyway;
unimportant to the big picture.

d

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Don Pearce · Nov 1, 2003

On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 08:11:09 -0700, Jim Thompson
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Yup - come one, come all. They are only local blips anyway;
unimportant to the big picture.

d

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Greenies are village idiots. They are such unproductive members of
society they have nothing to lose in this sort of catastrophe.

...Jim Thompson

You need to see the bigger picture to understand why the catastrophe
happens. Take a flood plain, build on it, put embankments on the river
in the centre of town and Bingo! a disaster waiting to happen.

This ain't rocket science.

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Jim Thompson · Nov 1, 2003

On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 15:19:14 +0000, Don Pearce
<dxoxnxaxlxd@pearce.uk.com> wrote:

On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 08:11:09 -0700, Jim Thompson
invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Yup - come one, come all. They are only local blips anyway;
unimportant to the big picture.

d

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Greenies are village idiots. They are such unproductive members of
society they have nothing to lose in this sort of catastrophe.

...Jim Thompson

You need to see the bigger picture to understand why the catastrophe
happens. Take a flood plain, build on it, put embankments on the river
in the centre of town and Bingo! a disaster waiting to happen.

This ain't rocket science.

This wasn't a flood plain, nor a river. This was a deadwood issue
where greenies, thru their political connections, wouldn't allow
anyone to go into the forest and clear it out.

That is going to change!

There is a hanging party attitude sweeping the US and we're going to
collect our revenge!

...Jim Thompson
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Don Pearce · Nov 1, 2003

On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 08:23:34 -0700, Jim Thompson
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

happens. Take a flood plain, build on it, put embankments on the river
in the centre of town and Bingo! a disaster waiting to happen.

This ain't rocket science.

This wasn't a flood plain, nor a river. This was a deadwood issue
where greenies, thru their political connections, wouldn't allow
anyone to go into the forest and clear it out.

That is going to change!

There is a hanging party attitude sweeping the US and we're going to
collect our revenge!

...Jim Thompson

Same difference - forest needs clearing, either naturally by frequent
lightning burns, or by man power. Otherwise you get what poor SoCal is
getting right now.

d

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Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun · Nov 1, 2003

In article <45j7qvsrvj9j2hi7v4vs83eopqfj9rj50h@4ax.com>,
invalid@invalid.invalid mentioned...

On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 15:03:22 +0000, Don Pearce
dxoxnxaxlxd@pearce.uk.com> wrote:

On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 14:58:46 GMT, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 11:04:41 +0000, the renowned Don Pearce
dxoxnxaxlxd@pearce.uk.com> wrote:

On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 02:58:03 -0800, Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, Dark
Remover" <alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote:

Actually they wouldn't be volcanic ash, just rivers of ashes from
burned brush and trees coming down the gullies.

The huge uncontrolled fires in the forests are being caused by the
bark beetles, which killed the trees weakened by the drought. Those
dead trees, which are normally evergreen, turned into giant torches.
That certainly is _not_ a 'normal part of the life cycle"!!
http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/2000/2557.html

I think we must allow bugs to be part of the natural cycle. And of
course one of the results of the burn is that the bugs are gone - so
you get a whole clean new growth.

Mudslides and flooding are also part of the natural cycle- you want to
let them take their course too?

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

Yup - come one, come all. They are only local blips anyway;
unimportant to the big picture.

d

_____________________________

http://www.pearce.uk.com

Greenies are village idiots. They are such unproductive members of
society they have nothing to lose in this sort of catastrophe.

...Jim Thompson

Gotta be careful here; lotsa people out there who might consider this
subject not PC. Back to natural life cycle. If that were the case,
we should all go back to living in caves, and get rid of that awful
indication of a civilized society: electricity. Put all those out-of-
work candlemakers back to work. ;-P

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(You'd better watch out, Jim. You might wake up the local village
idiot and get him started on one of his RSW(TM) tirades.)

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Michael · Nov 1, 2003

"Watson A.Name - Watt Sun, Dark Remover" wrote:

I've read about Kerr cells, but I don't remember anything about
Pockels cells. When you sey business end, do you mean the eyepiece
end? I've seen where the scientist takes two negatives for an image
of the same section of sky taken at different times. He then puts
them on a light table and switches the light between them, looking for
differences in the two images. Stars and galaxies don't move so they
don't change on the images. But planets, asteroids, comets, and the
like can be seen in different places in the two exposures.

Maybe this pockels cell was used to switch the optics of a beam
splitter or something like that. Nowadays the old photograpy methods
have been replaced with sensor arrays like the ones in digital
cameras.

Yes, I mean the eyepiece end. My stuff, the PROM cell, and a bunch of
other stuff were mounted on a massive, custom fabricated, aluminum frame
which was an inch or more thick and several feet across. I was working
for the Optical Systems Division of Itek Corp. (Lexington, MA) at the
time and I was supporting a couple of our senior scientists who were
playing with the PROM call. I don't know if the cell was proprietary to
Itek.

My 555 monos were triggered by opto sensors that looked through holes in
the circumference of a disk that spun by a synchronous motor. At a
different radius on that spinning disk was another hole which acted as a
"shutter" for the PROM cell. Thus the timing of my control signals
(turned on/off a HV ps) were locked to the shutter's opening/closing.

I helped crate up the monstrosity, and the scientists were off to AZ.
They had a couple days of telescope time as I recall and blew all of it
putzing with their part of the design. They got no useful data at all
.... except for indications that they needed to think on their design
some more. My part of the beast performed as advertised.

Jim Thompson · Nov 1, 2003

On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 07:32:08 -0800, Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, Dark
Remover" <alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote:

In article <45j7qvsrvj9j2hi7v4vs83eopqfj9rj50h@4ax.com>,
invalid@invalid.invalid mentioned...
[snip]
Greenies are village idiots. They are such unproductive members of
society they have nothing to lose in this sort of catastrophe.

...Jim Thompson

Gotta be careful here; lotsa people out there who might consider this
subject not PC. Back to natural life cycle. If that were the case,
we should all go back to living in caves, and get rid of that awful
indication of a civilized society: electricity. Put all those out-of-
work candlemakers back to work. ;-P

= Buggy Whips For Sale - Cheap =

(You'd better watch out, Jim. You might wake up the local village
idiot and get him started on one of his RSW(TM) tirades.)

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Richard Henry · Nov 1, 2003

"Don Pearce" <dxoxnxaxlxd@pearce.uk.com> wrote in message
news:vak7qvkdslf9gabheso6j7q8lv76qk1p7d@4ax.com...

On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 08:23:34 -0700, Jim Thompson
invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

happens. Take a flood plain, build on it, put embankments on the river
in the centre of town and Bingo! a disaster waiting to happen.

This ain't rocket science.

This wasn't a flood plain, nor a river. This was a deadwood issue
where greenies, thru their political connections, wouldn't allow
anyone to go into the forest and clear it out.

That is going to change!

There is a hanging party attitude sweeping the US and we're going to
collect our revenge!

...Jim Thompson

Same difference - forest needs clearing, either naturally by frequent
lightning burns, or by man power. Otherwise you get what poor SoCal is
getting right now.

First, I am not a greenie! However, I must point out that the most
destructive phase of the fire that affected me the most (Cedar Fire in San
Diego County) was not caused or abetted by greenie policies. The fire was
started by a lost hunter who lit a signal fire in head-high brush, during a
Santa Ana wind event (40 MPH winds, gusting to 60, blowing dry and hot out
of the desert). The best control method I observed during the fire (and
what probably saved my neighborhood) was the decidedly anti-greenie setting
of backfires.

Short of burning the entire county every 5 years or so, there is no
practical way to control these fires. Firebreaks? The fire jumped a
14-lane freeway. Brush-clearing? The fire burned almost 300,000 acres.
Timber harvesting? Except for isolated oak and sycamore stands in creek
bottoms, there is no real forest in the area where the fire started (it did
burn up into mountain forests after several days) and there is no market for
manzanita and mountain lilac. These fires are part of the climate, like
hurricanes on the gulf coast.

Don Pearce · Nov 1, 2003

On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 08:17:23 -0800, "Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com>
wrote:

Same difference - forest needs clearing, either naturally by frequent
lightning burns, or by man power. Otherwise you get what poor SoCal is
getting right now.

First, I am not a greenie! However, I must point out that the most
destructive phase of the fire that affected me the most (Cedar Fire in San
Diego County) was not caused or abetted by greenie policies. The fire was
started by a lost hunter who lit a signal fire in head-high brush, during a
Santa Ana wind event (40 MPH winds, gusting to 60, blowing dry and hot out
of the desert). The best control method I observed during the fire (and
what probably saved my neighborhood) was the decidedly anti-greenie setting
of backfires.

Short of burning the entire county every 5 years or so, there is no
practical way to control these fires. Firebreaks? The fire jumped a
14-lane freeway. Brush-clearing? The fire burned almost 300,000 acres.
Timber harvesting? Except for isolated oak and sycamore stands in creek
bottoms, there is no real forest in the area where the fire started (it did
burn up into mountain forests after several days) and there is no market for
manzanita and mountain lilac. These fires are part of the climate, like
hurricanes on the gulf coast.

I think you are causing the cause with the trigger. It doesn't much

matter if it was a lost hunter, a discarded bottle or a lightning
strike. Fact is it got started somehow. The problem was that the place
was packed to the rafters with tinder.

And really an annual underbrush burn is really no bad idea. It can be
contained quite easily that way and I bet it would be far cheaper than
these last couple of weeks have proved.

Did the fire really destroy timber? I would be very surprised if it
burned more than a few millimeters into a mature trunk. Those things
just don't burn that easily. I remember over here when the roof of
York Minster caught fire years ago everyone thought the roof beams
were destroyed. In fact they cleaned up with a wire brush.

d

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Richard Henry · Nov 1, 2003

"Don Pearce" <dxoxnxaxlxd@pearce.uk.com> wrote in message
news:dsn7qvsfak33hd2td83796nph5dao9kcne@4ax.com...

And really an annual underbrush burn is really no bad idea. It can be
contained quite easily that way and I bet it would be far cheaper than
these last couple of weeks have proved.

There is a high ridge east of here that suffered an arson fire about 6 years
ago. The area that burned then is an island of green now - the fire burned
right round it.

Did the fire really destroy timber? I would be very surprised if it
burned more than a few millimeters into a mature trunk. Those things
just don't burn that easily. I remember over here when the roof of
York Minster caught fire years ago everyone thought the roof beams
were destroyed. In fact they cleaned up with a wire brush.

Most of the burned over area is cleared of grass, dead leaves, and fallen
branches. The skeletons of most of the brush plants stand blackened, and
will show fresh green shoots soon after the rains start (it has been
drizzling the last two days already). Some plants are resistant by their
nature: prickly-pear cactus stands get scorched and shrivelled on the
edges, but survive more or less intact inside. I haven't been up to the
pine forests yet. The eucalyptus groves are still standing but the damaged
trees are being cut down before they fall.

Don Pearce · Nov 1, 2003

On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 08:50:22 -0800, "Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com>
wrote:

"Don Pearce" <dxoxnxaxlxd@pearce.uk.com> wrote in message
news:dsn7qvsfak33hd2td83796nph5dao9kcne@4ax.com...

And really an annual underbrush burn is really no bad idea. It can be
contained quite easily that way and I bet it would be far cheaper than
these last couple of weeks have proved.

There is a high ridge east of here that suffered an arson fire about 6 years
ago. The area that burned then is an island of green now - the fire burned
right round it.

Did the fire really destroy timber? I would be very surprised if it
burned more than a few millimeters into a mature trunk. Those things
just don't burn that easily. I remember over here when the roof of
York Minster caught fire years ago everyone thought the roof beams
were destroyed. In fact they cleaned up with a wire brush.

Most of the burned over area is cleared of grass, dead leaves, and fallen
branches. The skeletons of most of the brush plants stand blackened, and
will show fresh green shoots soon after the rains start (it has been
drizzling the last two days already). Some plants are resistant by their
nature: prickly-pear cactus stands get scorched and shrivelled on the
edges, but survive more or less intact inside. I haven't been up to the
pine forests yet. The eucalyptus groves are still standing but the damaged
trees are being cut down before they fall.

Can't remember what they are, but there are some tress that will only

propagate by fire. It is the only thing that will crack open the seed
pods.

d

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John Woodgate · Nov 1, 2003

I read in sci.electronics.design that Michael <NoSpam@att.net> wrote (in
<3FA3D3E0.4C9496A2@att.net&gt

about 'The 555 Has Been Around at Least 30
Years', on Sat, 1 Nov 2003:

I helped crate up the monstrosity, and the scientists were off to AZ.
They had a couple days of telescope time as I recall and blew all of it
putzing with their part of the design. They got no useful data at all
... except for indications that they needed to think on their design
some more. My part of the beast performed as advertised.

Well, that's precisely the difference between science and engineering.
Engineering is supposed to work - that's how theories are proved in
practice; science is supposed NOT to work - that how theories are
disproved and new stuff is discovered.
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Mark Zenier · Nov 1, 2003

In article <MPG.1a0d0deaa76fde6f98987d@news.dslextreme.com>,
Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, Dark Remover" <alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote:

As the weatherman predicted, it's raining here in So. Calif. The
scary thought is, what's going to happen to all those thousands of
acres of burnt hillsides. Are they going to turn into lahars?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=lahar

Scary stuff comes down the hillsides.

See _The Control of Nature_ by John McPhee. It's got a great essay
on "Flood", the LA county flood control system.

Mark Zenier mzenier@eskimo.com Washington State resident

Winfield Hill · Nov 1, 2003

warren weber wrote...

I recall when I first saw data on the 555, about 1965.
The price was $150.00 .. This was in a some electronics
magazine. or maybe a Poplar Science type magazine.

Warren, you're remembering something else entirely.

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

Mark Zenier · Nov 1, 2003

In article <4pr6qvgpo8rfs8rn4bjb5gqepvbaiunbvu@4ax.com>,
Don Pearce <dxoxnxaxlxd@pearce.uk.com> wrote:

As the weatherman predicted, it's raining here in So. Calif. The
scary thought is, what's going to happen to all those thousands of
acres of burnt hillsides. Are they going to turn into lahars?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=lahar

Burning of heath and wood land is a normal part of the life cycle. It
is preventing the regular occurrence of small fires that leads to
dangerous brush buildup and huge, uncontrolled fires. My bet is that
green shoots will be showing within a couple of weeks, and this time
next year you will have a fine new cover everywhere. As for a lahar -
why would you expect that?

The So. Cal. brush land is a special case. It's bred to burn. It's a
dry land climate brush land, where the foliage ends up creating its own
waxy outer layers to prevent moisture loss. Which just happen to be
especially flammable. And one neat trick is that they add a layer of
waterproofing to the soil, so that after a fire when a big rain comes,
it won't soak in.

Add to that the West Coast weather, where the jet stream acts like a
fence that collects the rain storms off of Hawaii and herds them all to
one spot. You can end up with 5 to 10 inches of rain in a day, (like
Seattle got a week ago Monday). The jet stream flails up and down the
coast like a garden hose with no one holding it.

So, sometimes you end up with house sized boulders bouncing down the
canyons and leaving mud flows several feet deep on the alluvial fans.

But these, of course being So. Cal., are also the areas that are
considered prime real estate. Crunch.

Some places, they've set up structures to deal with this. One is the
Sepulveda Dam Recreation Area in the San Fernando Valley. Imagine a
square mile of Los Angeles just left there to collect mud, which should
give you some of the scale of the problem. (Given the real estate values
around that place).

Mark Zenier mzenier@eskimo.com Washington State resident

Jim Thompson · Nov 1, 2003

On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 18:53:20 GMT, mzenier@eskimo.com (Mark Zenier)
wrote:

In article <MPG.1a0d0deaa76fde6f98987d@news.dslextreme.com>,
Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, Dark Remover" <alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote:
As the weatherman predicted, it's raining here in So. Calif. The
scary thought is, what's going to happen to all those thousands of
acres of burnt hillsides. Are they going to turn into lahars?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=lahar

Scary stuff comes down the hillsides.

See _The Control of Nature_ by John McPhee. It's got a great essay
on "Flood", the LA county flood control system.

Mark Zenier mzenier@eskimo.com Washington State resident

480)460-2350 | |
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Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun · Nov 1, 2003

In article <dsn7qvsfak33hd2td83796nph5dao9kcne@4ax.com>,
dxoxnxaxlxd@pearce.uk.com mentioned...

On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 08:17:23 -0800, "Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com
wrote:

Same difference - forest needs clearing, either naturally by frequent
lightning burns, or by man power. Otherwise you get what poor SoCal is
getting right now.

First, I am not a greenie! However, I must point out that the most
destructive phase of the fire that affected me the most (Cedar Fire in San
Diego County) was not caused or abetted by greenie policies. The fire was
started by a lost hunter who lit a signal fire in head-high brush, during a
Santa Ana wind event (40 MPH winds, gusting to 60, blowing dry and hot out
of the desert). The best control method I observed during the fire (and
what probably saved my neighborhood) was the decidedly anti-greenie setting
of backfires.

Short of burning the entire county every 5 years or so, there is no
practical way to control these fires. Firebreaks? The fire jumped a
14-lane freeway. Brush-clearing? The fire burned almost 300,000 acres.
Timber harvesting? Except for isolated oak and sycamore stands in creek
bottoms, there is no real forest in the area where the fire started (it did
burn up into mountain forests after several days) and there is no market for
manzanita and mountain lilac. These fires are part of the climate, like
hurricanes on the gulf coast.

I think you are causing the cause with the trigger. It doesn't much
matter if it was a lost hunter, a discarded bottle or a lightning
strike. Fact is it got started somehow. The problem was that the place
was packed to the rafters with tinder.

And really an annual underbrush burn is really no bad idea. It can be
contained quite easily that way and I bet it would be far cheaper than
these last couple of weeks have proved.

Did the fire really destroy timber? I would be very surprised if it
burned more than a few millimeters into a mature trunk. Those things
just don't burn that easily. I remember over here when the roof of
York Minster caught fire years ago everyone thought the roof beams
were destroyed. In fact they cleaned up with a wire brush.

I wish the hell you'd cut out the nonsense. The trees are DEAD!

d

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Richard Crowley · Nov 1, 2003

warren weber wrote...
I recall when I first saw data on the 555, about 1965.
The price was $150.00 .. This was in a some electronics
magazine. or maybe a Poplar Science type magazine.

"Winfield Hill" wrote ...

Warren, you're remembering something else entirely.

My recollection is >10 years later and <1/10th that price.

Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun · Nov 1, 2003

In article <bo11li$csc$1@eskinews.eskimo.com>, mzenier@eskimo.com
mentioned...

In article <MPG.1a0d0deaa76fde6f98987d@news.dslextreme.com>,
Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, Dark Remover" <alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote:
As the weatherman predicted, it's raining here in So. Calif. The
scary thought is, what's going to happen to all those thousands of
acres of burnt hillsides. Are they going to turn into lahars?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=lahar

Scary stuff comes down the hillsides.

See _The Control of Nature_ by John McPhee. It's got a great essay
on "Flood", the LA county flood control system.

I lived in L.A. County when I grew up. Us kids took advantage of the
flood control system. We went down thru the storm drains to the river
bed and set off our cherry bombs and various incendiaries. Great
place, if you don't mind getting slimed and bit by black widows.
:->

My parents gave me a maroon PaperMate ball point pen and old me to
take care of it, because it was expensive. Well, one day I lost it,
must've slipped out of my shirt pocket.

A year or two later, I was walking thru the storm drain, hunched over
(it was only five feet high), when I saw a glint in the mud. I
reached down, and damn, there was my old PaperMate pen. I washed it
out, and it started writing, good as new.

Mark Zenier mzenier@eskimo.com Washington State resident

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