Tell Telstra to stop sending you dead trees.

[Sylvia Else]

On 7/09/2010 5:47 PM, terryc wrote:

On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 17:34:17 +1000, Sylvia Else wrote:

On 7/09/2010 4:53 PM, terryc wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:27:50 +1000, Sylvia Else wrote:


People have strange notions about what financial stress means anyway.

Yep. For many, it is having to decide between the trip to Bali ad the
trip to NZ.

You see them complaining, but they have plasma televisions in the
background.

It seems they are being dumped atm, but point made.


Cook dinner later if an electric cooker is used.

After 8pm?

You do what it takes.

Gas. you might not have noticed by LPG gas outlets have gone up over
the years following the sales of flash BBQs.


But it should capture and deduct some measure of average power at
other times, because if you're consuming power 24/7, you're already
paying the full cost of delivering the electricity to you, and you
shouldn't be asked to pay it twice.

You are not. There is a network access fee on all distributed energy/
services forms (not postage)

The network access fee is not power level dependent,

Err, do you mean power consumption dependant? I'm rather sure that the
network access fee for a local business far exceeds local domestic
connection.

<http://www.energyaustralia.com.au/State/NSW/Business/Small-and-medium-business/Your-account/~/media/Files/Business/SME/Your%20Energy%20Agreement/BusinessCustomerPriceList09.ashx>

http://www.energyaustralia.com.au/State/NSW/Residential/Products-and-services/Electricity/~/media/Files/Residential/Pricing/2010/NSW_RES_PL.ashx

Not particularly. In fact if you look at the Powersmart rates, business
does better than residential on every aspect of their charging. On the
General Supply All Time tariff business pay 26.4 cents per day extra (a
bit under $100 per year), but have better usage charges.

but the cost of
delivering power is. The retail tariff includes as a part of the per kWh
charge an amount that reflects the cost of transmission, except that it
doesn't capture the higher cost associated with peak loads.

Smart metered customers obviously do. Others trade off for a higher
average packet costs.

Smart meters capture the higher costs of power during the peaks of the
daily usage cycle, but they still don't capture the costs associated
with infrequent high loads such as are created by airconditioning on hot
days. Essentially, part of the infrastructure exists just to service
those loads, but it is mostly not used. The price that people pay when
they do use it does not cover its cost.

Sylvia.

 

[terryc]

On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:27:50 +1000, Sylvia Else wrote:

People have strange notions about what financial stress means anyway.

Yep. For many, it is having to decide between the trip to Bali ad the
trip to NZ.

You see them complaining, but they have plasma televisions in the
background.

It seems they are being dumped atm, but point made.

Cook dinner later if an electric cooker is used.

After 8pm?

You do what it takes.

Gas. you might not have noticed by LPG gas outlets have gone up over the
years following the sales of flash BBQs.

But it should capture and deduct some measure of average power at other
times, because if you're consuming power 24/7, you're already paying the
full cost of delivering the electricity to you, and you shouldn't be
asked to pay it twice.

You are not. There is a network access fee on all distributed energy/
services forms (not postage)

 

[Ross Herbert]

On Sun, 05 Sep 2010 17:57:04 +1000, Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A> wrote:

:On 5/09/2010 5:43 PM, terryc wrote:
:> On Sun, 05 Sep 2010 08:07:09 +1000, Don McKenzie wrote:
:>
:>> Tell Telstra to stop sending you dead trees.
:>> https://www.directoryselect.com.au/ds/
:>>
:>> I was asking about this a couple of days ago, as I haven't looked in a
:>> phone directory for many years. So why not stop phone books being
:>> delivered?
:>
:> Well, the power goes off due to a house fault and you need to call an
:> electrician, what do you do?
:
:I figure you do the same as when your hard drive crashes and you have no
backup. You panic! Then you ask this group how
:you can get your data from a dead drive.
:
:I have always kept a standard 50VDC operated phone plugged in. "I MEAN ALWAYS".
You don't need one plugged in, just
:handy, but mine is. That way, when I need to count to a 100+ for some silly
reason, and don't need a phone ring
:disruption, I drop it off the hook. Saves the batteries on the wireless phones
also.

Ah, but when you get on the NBN you won't have that reliable plain old telephone
service anymore when mains power fails - unless you buy your own UPS back-up
battery... Just pray that it is not an emergency 000 call you want to make.

:
:And the Sparkies fridge magnet is on the fridge where it belongs.
:
:Cheers Don...
:
:=======================================

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 7/09/2010 7:04 PM, Ross Herbert wrote:

Ah, but when you get on the NBN you won't have that reliable plain old telephone
service anymore when mains power fails - unless you buy your own UPS back-up
battery... Just pray that it is not an emergency 000 call you want to make.

I use the Optus cable network for both Internet and phone access. The
network has battery backup, and continues to function during power
outages. I see no reason the NBN wouldn't be the same.

Sylvia.

 

[terryc]

On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 17:34:17 +1000, Sylvia Else wrote:

On 7/09/2010 4:53 PM, terryc wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:27:50 +1000, Sylvia Else wrote:


People have strange notions about what financial stress means anyway.

Yep. For many, it is having to decide between the trip to Bali ad the
trip to NZ.

You see them complaining, but they have plasma televisions in the
background.

It seems they are being dumped atm, but point made.


Cook dinner later if an electric cooker is used.

After 8pm?

You do what it takes.

Gas. you might not have noticed by LPG gas outlets have gone up over
the years following the sales of flash BBQs.


But it should capture and deduct some measure of average power at
other times, because if you're consuming power 24/7, you're already
paying the full cost of delivering the electricity to you, and you
shouldn't be asked to pay it twice.

You are not. There is a network access fee on all distributed energy/
services forms (not postage)

The network access fee is not power level dependent,

Err, do you mean power consumption dependant? I'm rather sure that the
network access fee for a local business far exceeds local domestic
connection.

but the cost of
delivering power is. The retail tariff includes as a part of the per kWh
charge an amount that reflects the cost of transmission, except that it
doesn't capture the higher cost associated with peak loads.

Smart metered customers obviously do. Others trade off for a higher
average packet costs.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 7/09/2010 7:16 PM, F Murtz wrote:

Except that there are regulations about fixed wiring on your side of the
plug and the way things are wired on your side of the plug.

I'm happy to comply with the regulations - I just want to be allowed to
do the work.

Sylvia.

 

[Grant]

On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 18:08:30 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote:

On 7/09/2010 5:47 PM, terryc wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 17:34:17 +1000, Sylvia Else wrote:

On 7/09/2010 4:53 PM, terryc wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:27:50 +1000, Sylvia Else wrote:


People have strange notions about what financial stress means anyway.

Yep. For many, it is having to decide between the trip to Bali ad the
trip to NZ.

You see them complaining, but they have plasma televisions in the
background.

It seems they are being dumped atm, but point made.


Cook dinner later if an electric cooker is used.

After 8pm?

You do what it takes.

Gas. you might not have noticed by LPG gas outlets have gone up over
the years following the sales of flash BBQs.


But it should capture and deduct some measure of average power at
other times, because if you're consuming power 24/7, you're already
paying the full cost of delivering the electricity to you, and you
shouldn't be asked to pay it twice.

You are not. There is a network access fee on all distributed energy/
services forms (not postage)

The network access fee is not power level dependent,

Err, do you mean power consumption dependant? I'm rather sure that the
network access fee for a local business far exceeds local domestic
connection.

http://www.energyaustralia.com.au/State/NSW/Business/Small-and-medium-business/Your-account/~/media/Files/Business/SME/Your%20Energy%20Agreement/BusinessCustomerPriceList09.ashx

http://www.energyaustralia.com.au/State/NSW/Residential/Products-and-services/Electricity/~/media/Files/Residential/Pricing/2010/NSW_RES_PL.ashx

Not particularly. In fact if you look at the Powersmart rates, business
does better than residential on every aspect of their charging. On the
General Supply All Time tariff business pay 26.4 cents per day extra (a
bit under $100 per year), but have better usage charges.


but the cost of
delivering power is. The retail tariff includes as a part of the per kWh
charge an amount that reflects the cost of transmission, except that it
doesn't capture the higher cost associated with peak loads.

Smart metered customers obviously do. Others trade off for a higher
average packet costs.

Smart meters capture the higher costs of power during the peaks of the
daily usage cycle, but they still don't capture the costs associated
with infrequent high loads such as are created by airconditioning on hot
days. Essentially, part of the infrastructure exists just to service
those loads, but it is mostly not used. The price that people pay when
they do use it does not cover its cost.

I thought one of the smart meter results would be that people pay higher
rates on peak demand days? At least in Vic we're going to be charged by
the 30 minute block, and that charge will vary. It's on the site for the
Victorian smart meter rollout, that capability wont come in for a while
yet until they get the automated bill data collection (wireless) working.
Some years away yet.

Grant.

 

[Grant]

On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 20:18:54 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote:

On 7/09/2010 7:16 PM, F Murtz wrote:

Except that there are regulations about fixed wiring on your side of the
plug and the way things are wired on your side of the plug.

I'm happy to comply with the regulations - I just want to be allowed to
do the work.

As a tradie or job related, or sideline when needed at home?

Grant.

 

[John Tserkezis]

kreed wrote:

You reminded me, we had a new number connected a few years back and
kept getting calls regarding organ lessons.
After being told that "we had an advert in yellow pages" I looked up
"music tuition" and sure enough there was a business card sized ad
for "teaching organ and piano lessons". That edition had another 9
months to run until the next book was issued.

But it's worse than that.
I'm talking about entries for companies that have gone bust around five
years ago, and their listing STILL appears today.

How much of a bulk purchase can you get on yellow pages? Buy 100 years
get 20 free?

I get the feeling they're selling numbers, not ads. Much like job
agencies are more concerned about how many people they have on their
books because it looks good to *corporates*, but don't actually bother
finding jobs for anyone.

How long before companies work out that Telstra Yellow Pages is a
monumental crock of shit and the only ones left are the out-of-date entries?


--
A pedestrian hit me and went under my car.

 

[Grant]

On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 19:07:46 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote:

On 7/09/2010 7:04 PM, Ross Herbert wrote:


Ah, but when you get on the NBN you won't have that reliable plain old telephone
service anymore when mains power fails - unless you buy your own UPS back-up
battery... Just pray that it is not an emergency 000 call you want to make.


I use the Optus cable network for both Internet and phone access. The
network has battery backup, and continues to function during power
outages. I see no reason the NBN wouldn't be the same.

No power down optical? Good and bad, no more lightning issues either,
but there's no reason a basic phone service couldn't be locally battery
backed. I certainly keep old phone plugged in, next to the cordless,
in case the power's off.

Grant.

 

[The Raven]

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4c8602e9$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

Sylvia Else wrote:
And more...

First some definitions in the Electricity (Consumer Safety) Act, which
are imported into the Home Building Act.

---

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/esa2004309
/s3.html#electrical_installation

"electrical installation" means any fixed appliances, wires, fittings,
apparatus or other electrical equipment used for (or for purposes
incidental to) the conveyance, control and use of electricity in a
particular place, but does not include any of the following:

...

(b) any electrical article connected to, and extending or situated
beyond, any electrical outlet socket,

...

Maybe I should just get a mucking great big electrical outlet socket
installed, and a correspondingly big plug to which my entire house's
electricity wiring is connected. Then all of my wiring would be
downstream of an outlet socket, and thus excluded from the definition.

Sylvia.




Except that there are regulations about fixed wiring on your side of the
plug and the way things are wired on your side of the plug.

How does that apply to wiring which is not connected to the grid?

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 7/09/2010 9:26 PM, The Raven wrote:

"F Murtz"<haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4c8602e9$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
Sylvia Else wrote:
And more...

First some definitions in the Electricity (Consumer Safety) Act, which
are imported into the Home Building Act.

---

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/esa2004309
/s3.html#electrical_installation

"electrical installation" means any fixed appliances, wires, fittings,
apparatus or other electrical equipment used for (or for purposes
incidental to) the conveyance, control and use of electricity in a
particular place, but does not include any of the following:

...

(b) any electrical article connected to, and extending or situated
beyond, any electrical outlet socket,

...

Maybe I should just get a mucking great big electrical outlet socket
installed, and a correspondingly big plug to which my entire house's
electricity wiring is connected. Then all of my wiring would be
downstream of an outlet socket, and thus excluded from the definition.

Sylvia.




Except that there are regulations about fixed wiring on your side of the
plug and the way things are wired on your side of the plug.

How does that apply to wiring which is not connected to the grid?

That doesn't appear to be the issue. On my reading of the legislation,
the test is whether the wiring is beyond an electrical outlet. So if you
have a generator wired up to your house, the wiring in the house will be
subject to the legislation to the extent that it is not beyond an
electrical outlet.

Indeed, the second reading speech makes it clear that the act
intentionally captures wiring in houses that have private generators.

<http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/nswbills.nsf/d2117e6bba4ab3ebca256e68000a0ae2/85a0a4d2ba0026c4ca256df0001a2e6b/$FILE/A0404.pdf>

Sylvia.

 

[terryc]

On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 20:56:45 +1000, Grant wrote:

I thought one of the smart meter results would be that people pay higher
rates on peak demand days?

That was my understanding.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 7/09/2010 8:56 PM, Grant wrote:

On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 18:08:30 +1000, Sylvia Else<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote:

On 7/09/2010 5:47 PM, terryc wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 17:34:17 +1000, Sylvia Else wrote:

On 7/09/2010 4:53 PM, terryc wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:27:50 +1000, Sylvia Else wrote:


People have strange notions about what financial stress means anyway.

Yep. For many, it is having to decide between the trip to Bali ad the
trip to NZ.

You see them complaining, but they have plasma televisions in the
background.

It seems they are being dumped atm, but point made.


Cook dinner later if an electric cooker is used.

After 8pm?

You do what it takes.

Gas. you might not have noticed by LPG gas outlets have gone up over
the years following the sales of flash BBQs.


But it should capture and deduct some measure of average power at
other times, because if you're consuming power 24/7, you're already
paying the full cost of delivering the electricity to you, and you
shouldn't be asked to pay it twice.

You are not. There is a network access fee on all distributed energy/
services forms (not postage)

The network access fee is not power level dependent,

Err, do you mean power consumption dependant? I'm rather sure that the
network access fee for a local business far exceeds local domestic
connection.

http://www.energyaustralia.com.au/State/NSW/Business/Small-and-medium-business/Your-account/~/media/Files/Business/SME/Your%20Energy%20Agreement/BusinessCustomerPriceList09.ashx

http://www.energyaustralia.com.au/State/NSW/Residential/Products-and-services/Electricity/~/media/Files/Residential/Pricing/2010/NSW_RES_PL.ashx

Not particularly. In fact if you look at the Powersmart rates, business
does better than residential on every aspect of their charging. On the
General Supply All Time tariff business pay 26.4 cents per day extra (a
bit under $100 per year), but have better usage charges.


but the cost of
delivering power is. The retail tariff includes as a part of the per kWh
charge an amount that reflects the cost of transmission, except that it
doesn't capture the higher cost associated with peak loads.

Smart metered customers obviously do. Others trade off for a higher
average packet costs.

Smart meters capture the higher costs of power during the peaks of the
daily usage cycle, but they still don't capture the costs associated
with infrequent high loads such as are created by airconditioning on hot
days. Essentially, part of the infrastructure exists just to service
those loads, but it is mostly not used. The price that people pay when
they do use it does not cover its cost.

I thought one of the smart meter results would be that people pay higher
rates on peak demand days? At least in Vic we're going to be charged by
the 30 minute block, and that charge will vary. It's on the site for the
Victorian smart meter rollout, that capability wont come in for a while
yet until they get the automated bill data collection (wireless) working.
Some years away yet.

Grant.

Smart meters are already in use in NSW for some customers, and are being
progressively rolled out for all. The price per kWh varies during the
day, and also depends on whether it's a week day, or weekend. However,
the price in each period is fixed, and stated in advance. It does not
depend on the actual total load on the network. In particular, it does
not rise steeply on very hot days when the load goes up significantly
because of the use of air conditioners.

While charging more during periods of unsually high demand would be
possible, there is a problem in that consumers would not know at any
given time how much they are paying for the electricity they are
consuming. I think that would be politically very difficult.

Sylvia.

 

[kreed]

On Sep 8, 2:17 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:

John Tserkezis wrote

kreed wrote
You reminded me, we had a new number connected a few
years back and kept getting calls regarding organ lessons.
After being told that "we had an advert in yellow pages" I looked up
"music tuition" and sure enough there was a business card sized ad
for "teaching organ and piano lessons". That edition had another 9
months to run until the next book was issued.
But it's worse than that.
I'm talking about entries for companies that have gone bust around
five years ago, and their listing STILL appears today.
How much of a bulk purchase can you get on yellow pages?
Buy 100 years get 20 free?

That isnt the reason for the obsolete entrys.

I get the feeling they're selling numbers, not ads.

More likely they just dont clean up the obsolete entrys very effectively.

You get people in there (and just about everything) that just don't
give a shit,
and are incompetent.

This seems to be the case with most things now. There is little or no
reward for doing the right or
sensible thing.


Could also be that they leave ads in there to make the book look more
comprehensive than it actually is ?

Much like job agencies are more concerned about how many
people they have on their books because it looks good to
*corporates*, but don't actually bother finding jobs for anyone.

They do both.

Don't know much about this industry.

How long before companies work out that Telstra Yellow Pages is a
monumental crock of shit and the only ones left are the out-of-date entries?

That wont happen because there are plenty of current entrys.

There are.

 

[Rod Speed]

kreed wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
John Tserkezis wrote
kreed wrote

You reminded me, we had a new number connected a few
years back and kept getting calls regarding organ lessons.
After being told that "we had an advert in yellow pages" I looked
up "music tuition" and sure enough there was a business card sized
ad for "teaching organ and piano lessons". That edition had
another 9 months to run until the next book was issued.

But it's worse than that.

I'm talking about entries for companies that have gone bust around
five years ago, and their listing STILL appears today.
How much of a bulk purchase can you get on yellow pages?
Buy 100 years get 20 free?

That isnt the reason for the obsolete entrys.

I get the feeling they're selling numbers, not ads.

More likely they just dont clean up the obsolete entrys very effectively.

You get people in there (and just about everything)
that just don't give a shit, and are incompetent.

Yep, and there are always more in what used to be by far
the biggest sheltered workshop in the entire country too.

Operations like that always attract some of the worst of the dregs.

This seems to be the case with most things now. There
is little or no reward for doing the right or sensible thing.

Its surprisingly difficult to do. iinet does it surprisingly well, but there arent all that many that do.

Could also be that they leave ads in there to make
the book look more comprehensive than it actually is ?

Thats certainly possible. You certainly see that sort of thing with free to air TV ads.

And I know that because I know some people who have paid for
the ads and have ended up with rather more than they paid for
because they prefer to repeat some ads for free rather than to
not have anything to put in a spot that no one signed up for etc.

Much like job agencies are more concerned about how many
people they have on their books because it looks good to
*corporates*, but don't actually bother finding jobs for anyone.

They do both.

Don't know much about this industry.

How long before companies work out that Telstra Yellow Pages is a
monumental crock of shit and the only ones left are the out-of-date entries?

That wont happen because there are plenty of current entrys.

There are.

 

[F Murtz]

Grant wrote:

On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 17:04:50 +0800, Ross Herbert<rherber1@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

On Sun, 05 Sep 2010 17:57:04 +1000, Don McKenzie<5V@2.5A> wrote:

:On 5/09/2010 5:43 PM, terryc wrote:
:> On Sun, 05 Sep 2010 08:07:09 +1000, Don McKenzie wrote:
:
:>> Tell Telstra to stop sending you dead trees.
:>> https://www.directoryselect.com.au/ds/
:
:>> I was asking about this a couple of days ago, as I haven't looked in a
:>> phone directory for many years. So why not stop phone books being
:>> delivered?
:
:> Well, the power goes off due to a house fault and you need to call an
:> electrician, what do you do?
:
:I figure you do the same as when your hard drive crashes and you have no
backup. You panic! Then you ask this group how
:you can get your data from a dead drive.
:
:I have always kept a standard 50VDC operated phone plugged in. "I MEAN ALWAYS".
You don't need one plugged in, just
:handy, but mine is. That way, when I need to count to a 100+ for some silly
reason, and don't need a phone ring
:disruption, I drop it off the hook. Saves the batteries on the wireless phones
also.

Ah, but when you get on the NBN you won't have that reliable plain old telephone
service anymore when mains power fails - unless you buy your own UPS back-up
battery... Just pray that it is not an emergency 000 call you want to make.

What, NBN == no existing copper service? That'll be a forced changeover
only 'cos Telstra private let the network rot for years.

:And the Sparkies fridge magnet is on the fridge where it belongs.

I got some big batteries, want my place to light up bright when the power
goes off, make everyone else in the street feel mad, must be their place

Haven't found a round tuit for years, we don't get that many power fails.

Grant.
I got a bag full of round tuits from ebay.

 

[Ross Herbert]

On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 19:07:46 +1000, Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote:

:On 7/09/2010 7:04 PM, Ross Herbert wrote:
:
:>
:> Ah, but when you get on the NBN you won't have that reliable plain old
telephone
:> service anymore when mains power fails - unless you buy your own UPS back-up
:> battery... Just pray that it is not an emergency 000 call you want to make.
:>
:
:I use the Optus cable network for both Internet and phone access. The
:network has battery backup, and continues to function during power
utages. I see no reason the NBN wouldn't be the same.
:
:Sylvia.


A FTTH NBN is a totally passive network, ie. no power is transmitted down the
cable. Every home on the NBN will have an Optical Network Terminal through which
ALL residential services (including the fixed telephone) must operate. As such,
the ONT is powered from the domestic ac mains supply with a UPS. In order to
keep the ONT operating during mains power outages the UPS must be fitted with a
back-up battery (approximately 3 hours of reserve). The current policy is that
the homeowner must pay for the supply and installation of the battery if they
want communications to be maintained during power outages. In addition, the UPS
only issues a battery failure warning by a visual indicator so unless you are
continuously aware of this indication there is the likelihood that you will only
find out your battery is dead when you need to use the telephone during a power
outage.

Here is the battery reminder document issued by Telstra for its Velocity
customers (which is essentially the defacto standard for all NBN customers).
http://www.telstra.com.au/smartcommunity/assets/smartcommunitybattery_1108.pdf

 

[Ross Herbert]

On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 21:16:43 +1000, Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> wrote:

:On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 17:04:50 +0800, Ross Herbert <rherber1@bigpond.net.au>
wrote:
:
:>On Sun, 05 Sep 2010 17:57:04 +1000, Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A> wrote:
:>
:>:On 5/09/2010 5:43 PM, terryc wrote:
:>:> On Sun, 05 Sep 2010 08:07:09 +1000, Don McKenzie wrote:
:>:>
:>:>> Tell Telstra to stop sending you dead trees.
:>:>> https://www.directoryselect.com.au/ds/
:>:>>
:>:>> I was asking about this a couple of days ago, as I haven't looked in a
:>:>> phone directory for many years. So why not stop phone books being
:>:>> delivered?
:>:>
:>:> Well, the power goes off due to a house fault and you need to call an
:>:> electrician, what do you do?
:>:
:>:I figure you do the same as when your hard drive crashes and you have no
:>backup. You panic! Then you ask this group how
:>:you can get your data from a dead drive.
:>:
:>:I have always kept a standard 50VDC operated phone plugged in. "I MEAN
ALWAYS".
:>You don't need one plugged in, just
:>:handy, but mine is. That way, when I need to count to a 100+ for some silly
:>reason, and don't need a phone ring
:>:disruption, I drop it off the hook. Saves the batteries on the wireless
phones
:>also.
:>
:>Ah, but when you get on the NBN you won't have that reliable plain old
telephone
:>service anymore when mains power fails - unless you buy your own UPS back-up
:>battery... Just pray that it is not an emergency 000 call you want to make.
:
:What, NBN == no existing copper service? That'll be a forced changeover
nly 'cos Telstra private let the network rot for years.

Indeed. That's the situation currently envisaged.
http://www.dbcde.gov.au/broadband/national_broadband_network/policy_statements

quote;
Delivery of Universal Service Obligations within NBN Fibre Coverage Areas

Telstra will have a regulated obligation to continue to operate and maintain its
existing copper lines while the fibre network is rolled out, until the copper
exchange associated with that fibre area is decommissioned.

For these purposes, the responsibility to deliver services under the USO will
transfer from Telstra to USO Co from the date that premises in an NBN fibre
coverage area are no longer actively connected to the copper exchange.

USO Co will meet the agreed cost of migrating voice-only customers to a fibre
service after the Telstra copper exchange is decommissioned. The protocols for
determining when individual copper exchanges within the NBN fibre coverage areas
are to be decommissioned will be agreed between the Government, NBN Co and
Telstra. (Telstra will be separately required to provide the ACCC with a
migration plan that sets out the mechanisms and time frames for migrating
customers from its copper network to the NBN).
unquote.

As you will be aware, The federal government will pay Telstra $B11 to acquire
its existing copper based customer infrastructure. This means that existing
copper based services will eventually be discontinued and dedicated telephone
exchanges will be decommissioned as stated above.

:
:>:And the Sparkies fridge magnet is on the fridge where it belongs.
:
:I got some big batteries, want my place to light up bright when the power
:goes off, make everyone else in the street feel mad, must be their place
:
:Haven't found a round tuit for years, we don't get that many power fails.
:

You may be fortunate to have underground power where reliability is high but
most consumers still have wooden power pole distribution and these poles are
notorious for not being properly maintained and falling over during a storm or
burning down during a bushfire.

Murphy says that when you most need to use the phone the mains power will be off
for 5 hours and your UPS battery will be flat.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 8/09/2010 4:41 PM, Ross Herbert wrote:

On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 19:07:46 +1000, Sylvia Else<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote:

:On 7/09/2010 7:04 PM, Ross Herbert wrote:
:
:
:> Ah, but when you get on the NBN you won't have that reliable plain old
telephone
:> service anymore when mains power fails - unless you buy your own UPS back-up
:> battery... Just pray that it is not an emergency 000 call you want to make.
:
:
:I use the Optus cable network for both Internet and phone access. The
:network has battery backup, and continues to function during power
utages. I see no reason the NBN wouldn't be the same.
:
:Sylvia.


A FTTH NBN is a totally passive network, ie. no power is transmitted down the
cable. Every home on the NBN will have an Optical Network Terminal through which
ALL residential services (including the fixed telephone) must operate. As such,
the ONT is powered from the domestic ac mains supply with a UPS. In order to
keep the ONT operating during mains power outages the UPS must be fitted with a
back-up battery (approximately 3 hours of reserve). The current policy is that
the homeowner must pay for the supply and installation of the battery if they
want communications to be maintained during power outages. In addition, the UPS
only issues a battery failure warning by a visual indicator so unless you are
continuously aware of this indication there is the likelihood that you will only
find out your battery is dead when you need to use the telephone during a power
outage.


Here is the battery reminder document issued by Telstra for its Velocity
customers (which is essentially the defacto standard for all NBN customers).
http://www.telstra.com.au/smartcommunity/assets/smartcommunitybattery_1108.pdf

That may be the way Telstra does it, but that doesn't mean the NBN will
be the same. Do you have a reference to anything that gives a definitive
statement on how the NBN will work?

Sylvia.