Stubborn 3mm screws

[Fred McKenzie]

In article <49315001.8E6E24CD@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Which is 100% WRONG. Pozidrives have been available for about 40 years, so
there's hardly any excuse not to use the correct term. They are totally
different.

Graham-

That may be true, but they don't seem to be as common as you suggest.
When I tried to find a driver for the PosiDrive screws Hewlett Packard
used in my counter, there were none to be found. None of the sales
people in any of the various tool or hardware stores knew what I was
talking about.

I have recently obtained kits from two sources that include PosiDrive
bits. But that is after several years of searching for them!

Fred

 

[Jamie]

Fred McKenzie wrote:

In article <49315001.8E6E24CD@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:


Which is 100% WRONG. Pozidrives have been available for about 40 years, so
there's hardly any excuse not to use the correct term. They are totally
different.


Graham-

That may be true, but they don't seem to be as common as you suggest.
When I tried to find a driver for the PosiDrive screws Hewlett Packard
used in my counter, there were none to be found. None of the sales
people in any of the various tool or hardware stores knew what I was
talking about.

I have recently obtained kits from two sources that include PosiDrive
bits. But that is after several years of searching for them!

Fred
That is why I have a 100 piece security bit set.. which also includes

the various styles of tips required for those mongrel screws.

The set might be cheap but they work!..

http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5"

 

[Eeyore]

Fred McKenzie wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Which is 100% WRONG. Pozidrives have been available for about 40 years, so
there's hardly any excuse not to use the correct term. They are totally
different.

That may be true, but they don't seem to be as common as you suggest.
When I tried to find a driver for the PosiDrive screws Hewlett Packard
used in my counter, there were none to be found. None of the sales
people in any of the various tool or hardware stores knew what I was
talking about.

You're from the USA I take it ?

I have recently obtained kits from two sources that include PosiDrive
bits. But that is after several years of searching for them!

Astonishing. It's near impossible to buy proper Phillips screwdriver here but
1/4" drive sets often come with PZ1, PZ2 and maybe PZ3 bits and same with PH in
front of the number.

PZ = Pozidriv(e) of course
PH = Phillips.

And now there Supadriv(e) too which is AFAIK a compatible enhanced Pozidrive.

The largest advantage it [Pozidrive] offers is that, when used with the correct
tooling in good condition, it does not cam out, allowing great torque to be
applied.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozidriv

Graham

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <4931C2FC.11B77618@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

I have recently obtained kits from two sources that include PosiDrive
bits. But that is after several years of searching for them!

Astonishing. It's near impossible to buy proper Phillips screwdriver here

I don't know where you buy your tools but it's not so. Most of the sheds
stock Philips and any decent tool shop will have a large variety.

Even Screwfix:-

http://www.screwfix.com/cats/A335569/Hand-Tools/Screwdrivers/Phillips-Screwdrivers

And certainly all the electronics suppliers like RS components.

Pozidriv, I've been told, can be far more difficult in the US.

--
*A 'jiffy' is an actual unit of time for 1/100th of a second.

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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[Jamie]

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article <4931C2FC.11B77618@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

I have recently obtained kits from two sources that include PosiDrive
bits. But that is after several years of searching for them!


Astonishing. It's near impossible to buy proper Phillips screwdriver here


I don't know where you buy your tools but it's not so. Most of the sheds
stock Philips and any decent tool shop will have a large variety.

Even Screwfix:-

http://www.screwfix.com/cats/A335569/Hand-Tools/Screwdrivers/Phillips-Screwdrivers

And certainly all the electronics suppliers like RS components.

Pozidriv, I've been told, can be far more difficult in the US.

You've been told incorrectly!.. those junk driving bits are all
over here.. They make lots of screw fasteners with that kind of
head in it.

http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5"

 

[Nelson]

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 05:20:15 -0500, Eeyore wrote
(in article <4931175F.7AD4A497@hotmail.com&gt:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozidrive

Well, you learn something every day

--
Nelson

 

[Eeyore]

Nelson wrote:

Eeyore wrote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozidrive

Well, you learn something every day

Well, the crazy thing is that it was a US 'invention' but Americans seem
to be the least informed about it ! Draw your own conclusions. I suspect
inertia has a lot to do with it. Along with inches feet, yards and
miles. OK we still use miles in the UK. Ounces, pounds, tons (short
presumably) as opposed to tonnes (which are nearly identical to a
British - long - ton ), foot pounds, BTUs and all that cobblers.

See ....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI

Funnily enough Pozidriv was heavily promoted here in the UK when I was a
young teeenager using 'kits' of popular sized screws and the correct
screwdriver which had a blue handle in a plastic case with a transparent
top. To this day Pozi screwdrivers still often have blue or blue
elements in their handles to distinguish them.

I use Stanley screwdrivers almost exclusively for serious work. There's
a particular series with a very comfortable asymmetric moulded handle
that is normally red (including the Phillips versions) but the Pozi
versions are all a slightly dark blue to aid immediate identification.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

Jamie wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Pozidriv, I've been told, can be far more difficult in the US.

You've been told incorrectly!.. those junk driving bits are all
over here.. They make lots of screw fasteners with that kind of
head in it.

Pozidriv is HUGELY superior. That's why Phillips made it !

Graham

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <49326D6D.DA273452@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Jamie wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Pozidriv, I've been told, can be far more difficult in the US.

You've been told incorrectly!.. those junk driving bits are all
over here.. They make lots of screw fasteners with that kind of
head in it.

Pozidriv is HUGELY superior. That's why Phillips made it !

IIRC it was a joint development between Phillips and the American Screw
Company. But GKN in the UK had the rights to it for some of the world and
promoted it rather more - perhaps because Phillips screws hadn't the same
market penetration over here.

Graham

--
*If you lived in your car, you'd be home by now *

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <49326C9E.D66B0D56@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

I use Stanley screwdrivers almost exclusively for serious work. There's
a particular series with a very comfortable asymmetric moulded handle
that is normally red (including the Phillips versions) but the Pozi
versions are all a slightly dark blue to aid immediate identification.

Stanley these days are pretty mediocre. Plenty of much better makes. A set
of screwdrivers from Lidl etc is likely to last longer for a fraction of
the cost. But if you want good stuff, try Wera. But you'll need to go to a
decent tool supplier for them.

--
*A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

 

[N_Cook]

Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:50064e2d1bdave@davenoise.co.uk...

In article <49326C9E.D66B0D56@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
I use Stanley screwdrivers almost exclusively for serious work. There's
a particular series with a very comfortable asymmetric moulded handle
that is normally red (including the Phillips versions) but the Pozi
versions are all a slightly dark blue to aid immediate identification.

Stanley these days are pretty mediocre. Plenty of much better makes. A set
of screwdrivers from Lidl etc is likely to last longer for a fraction of
the cost. But if you want good stuff, try Wera. But you'll need to go to a
decent tool supplier for them.

--
*A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

ah, decent tool supplier. I went to my otherwise respected decades
residency, local engineering tool supplier , a couple of years back. A
middle aged bloke on the counter, not teenager. I asked what range of small
size left hand drill bits they had - he thought I was taking the piss, like
asking for long stands, golden rivets etc.

( used in drills with reverse action for drilling out and often releasing,
in the process, seized screws , broken studes etc )


--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

 

[Eeyore]

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Jamie wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Pozidriv, I've been told, can be far more difficult in the US.

You've been told incorrectly!.. those junk driving bits are all
over here.. They make lots of screw fasteners with that kind of
head in it.

Pozidriv is HUGELY superior. That's why Phillips made it !

IIRC it was a joint development between Phillips and the American Screw
Company. But GKN in the UK had the rights to it for some of the world and
promoted it rather more - perhaps because Phillips screws hadn't the same
market penetration over here.

Now I think of it, you're right. Those kits were GKN. But Pozi screws are now
somewhat more universal than Phillips for all the design reasons stated. I
can hardly remember when I last had to use a Phillips driver.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

In article <49326C9E.D66B0D56@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
I use Stanley screwdrivers almost exclusively for serious work. There's
a particular series with a very comfortable asymmetric moulded handle
that is normally red (including the Phillips versions) but the Pozi
versions are all a slightly dark blue to aid immediate identification.

Stanley these days are pretty mediocre. Plenty of much better makes. A set
of screwdrivers from Lidl etc is likely to last longer for a fraction of
the cost. But if you want good stuff, try Wera. But you'll need to go to a
decent tool supplier for them.

Well... some of my Stanleys, in fact probably most of them are > 30 years old
and in fine fettle.

You needed to buy the Chrome Molydenum ones.

Graham

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <493282C2.628EF299@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Now I think of it, you're right. Those kits were GKN. But Pozi screws
are now somewhat more universal than Phillips for all the design reasons
stated. I can hardly remember when I last had to use a Phillips driver.

Think you'll find lots aren't genuine pozidriv but a compromise that
allows those screwdrivers to work.

--
*Ham and Eggs: Just a day's work for a chicken, but a lifetime commitment

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <49328323.7B7852EB@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Stanley these days are pretty mediocre. Plenty of much better makes. A
set of screwdrivers from Lidl etc is likely to last longer for a
fraction of the cost. But if you want good stuff, try Wera. But you'll
need to go to a decent tool supplier for them.

Well... some of my Stanleys, in fact probably most of them are > 30
years old and in fine fettle.

I did say these days.

You needed to buy the Chrome Molydenum ones.

If they make good and poor quality tools under the same brand yet another
reason to avoid.

For any cross head driver you really need a pretty hard surface as they
are near impossible to 'sharpen'. Wera are diamond coated - which also
helps them to grip.

--
*Save a tree, eat a beaver*

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

 

[Eeyore]

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Now I think of it, you're right. Those kits were GKN. But Pozi screws
are now somewhat more universal than Phillips for all the design reasons
stated. I can hardly remember when I last had to use a Phillips driver.

Think you'll find lots aren't genuine pozidriv but a compromise that
allows those screwdrivers to work.

I avoid that shit.

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Stanley these days are pretty mediocre. Plenty of much better makes. A
set of screwdrivers from Lidl etc is likely to last longer for a
fraction of the cost. But if you want good stuff, try Wera. But you'll
need to go to a decent tool supplier for them.

Well... some of my Stanleys, in fact probably most of them are > 30
years old and in fine fettle.

I did say these days.

You needed to buy the Chrome Molydenum ones.

If they make good and poor quality tools under the same brand yet another
reason to avoid.

For any cross head driver you really need a pretty hard surface as they
are near impossible to 'sharpen'. Wera are diamond coated - which also
helps them to grip.

They are toughened. You can see the surface treatment.

Graham

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <493299C8.98013C32@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Now I think of it, you're right. Those kits were GKN. But Pozi
screws are now somewhat more universal than Phillips for all the
design reasons stated. I can hardly remember when I last had to use
a Phillips driver.

Think you'll find lots aren't genuine pozidriv but a compromise that
allows those screwdrivers to work.

I avoid that shit.

Not much option - they're very common on equipment.

--
*A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

 

[Baron]

Fred McKenzie wrote:

In article <49315001.8E6E24CD@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Which is 100% WRONG. Pozidrives have been available for about 40
years, so there's hardly any excuse not to use the correct term. They
are totally different.

Graham-

That may be true, but they don't seem to be as common as you suggest.
When I tried to find a driver for the PosiDrive screws Hewlett Packard
used in my counter, there were none to be found. None of the sales
people in any of the various tool or hardware stores knew what I was
talking about.

I have recently obtained kits from two sources that include PosiDrive
bits. But that is after several years of searching for them!

Fred

I thought that HP used Torx head screws !! Though most European
computers use Philips heads screws, not Posi !

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

 

[Baron]

N_Cook wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:50064e2d1bdave@davenoise.co.uk...
In article <49326C9E.D66B0D56@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
I use Stanley screwdrivers almost exclusively for serious work.
There's a particular series with a very comfortable asymmetric
moulded handle that is normally red (including the Phillips
versions) but the Pozi versions are all a slightly dark blue to aid
immediate identification.

Stanley these days are pretty mediocre. Plenty of much better makes.
A set of screwdrivers from Lidl etc is likely to last longer for a
fraction of the cost. But if you want good stuff, try Wera. But
you'll need to go to a decent tool supplier for them.

--
*A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.


ah, decent tool supplier. I went to my otherwise respected decades
residency, local engineering tool supplier , a couple of years back. A
middle aged bloke on the counter, not teenager. I asked what range of
small size left hand drill bits they had - he thought I was taking the
piss, like asking for long stands, golden rivets etc.

( used in drills with reverse action for drilling out and often
releasing,
in the process, seized screws , broken studes etc )

Left hand drills were very commonly used in multi spindle drills ! All
the spindles were driven by gears or a chain from a single motor.
But you right they are quite hard to come by nowadays !

--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

--
Best Regards:
Baron.