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[Guy Macon]

Richard H. wrote:

http://www.newsreaders.com/guide/netiquette.html

"When using the followup header, it is nice to put in the message
somewhere 'Followups set.'"

If one is truly concerned about SNR in this group, such a simple
courtesy would make their actions more prominent and appear less
devious. Unless, of course, the goal is really to appear devious and
perpetuate conflict.

This is a perfectly reasonable request. I will be happy to comply.

Do you have a preference as to where in the article you would
like the "followups set" message to be?

 

[Jonathan Kirwan]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:19:29 +0000, Guy Macon
<_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote:

snip
Do you have a preference as to where in the article you would
like the "followups set" message to be?

I place them at the top of the message, with blank lines surrounding
it so that it cannot be missed. And when I'm replying to a cross
post, I try to remember to call out the fact that I'm only reading
such and such group, so that those replying in their own groups but
choosing not to cross post will know that I won't see their responses.

Jon

 

[Rich Grise]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:59:55 +1200, Terry Given wrote:

Am I in your kill file (which I presume I must be, given your previous
definition of *plonk*), because I had the temerity to laugh at you?

That's what it looked like to me.

that is rather sad. Although pathetic might be a better word. Luckily I
find fragile people amusing.

Well, I find fragile/pathetic people merely pathetic, but I'm
somewhat revulsed at those who take amusement at the plight of
the less fortunate.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:19:53 +0000, Guy Macon wrote:

Winfield Hill wrote:
Terry Given wrote...
Guy Macon wrote:

I set followups on the plonk posts to alt.dev.null as
an additional attempt to kill the thread.

This we object to, it's up to us all together whether a
thread deserves to be killed or not, not up to you alone.

Just so that my list is complete, are there any other features
that were designed into the fabric of Usenet that you object to?

No, just the "Guy Macon is a fathead" feature.

Guy Macon, you need either remedial reading or therapy. Once
again, you've taken an objection to your own specific behavior,
and globalized it to "features that were designed into the
fabric of Usenet". This is a symptom of serious dysfunction.

"I set followups ... to kill the thread."

We object to this neurotic behavior, not to the mechanism
that makes it possible for you to broadcast it worldwide.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Terry Given]

Rich Grise wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:59:55 +1200, Terry Given wrote:


Am I in your kill file (which I presume I must be, given your previous
definition of *plonk*), because I had the temerity to laugh at you?


That's what it looked like to me.


that is rather sad. Although pathetic might be a better word. Luckily I
find fragile people amusing.


Well, I find fragile/pathetic people merely pathetic, but I'm
somewhat revulsed at those who take amusement at the plight of
the less fortunate.

that kind of came out the wrong way. So I went to re-write it, and it
still came out bad. But I did roar with laughter when I saw what he had
done.

Thanks,
Rich

Cheers
Terry

 

[Richard Henry]

"Al Borowski" <al.borowski@EraseThis.gmail.com> wrote in message
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Guy Macon wrote:
Terry Given wrote:


ROTFLMAO!


*plonk*


Do you really think people still fall for the alt.dev.null trick? Why
bother?

I see you fail to distinguish between the typical childish flamer, who
misdirects threads to upset people, and Guy Macon, who does it for our own
good.

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:41:34 -0700, "Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com>
wrote:

"Al Borowski" <al.borowski@EraseThis.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:42dc9b7c$0$6387$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
Guy Macon wrote:
Terry Given wrote:


ROTFLMAO!


*plonk*


Do you really think people still fall for the alt.dev.null trick? Why
bother?

I see you fail to distinguish between the typical childish flamer, who
misdirects threads to upset people, and Guy Macon, who does it for our own
good.

It suddenly dawned on me, he's a Democrat ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[keith]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:00:10 +0000, Rich Grise wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:19:53 +0000, Guy Macon wrote:
Winfield Hill wrote:
Terry Given wrote...
Guy Macon wrote:

I set followups on the plonk posts to alt.dev.null as
an additional attempt to kill the thread.

This we object to, it's up to us all together whether a
thread deserves to be killed or not, not up to you alone.

Just so that my list is complete, are there any other features
that were designed into the fabric of Usenet that you object to?

No, just the "Guy Macon is a fathead" feature.

Yes, this would be a good addition to the header tags:

Fathead-alert: Gay Bacon hijacking attempt

Guy Macon, you need either remedial reading or therapy. Once again,
you've taken an objection to your own specific behavior, and globalized
it to "features that were designed into the fabric of Usenet". This is a
symptom of serious dysfunction.

"I set followups ... to kill the thread."

We object to this neurotic behavior, not to the mechanism that makes it
possible for you to broadcast it worldwide.

The problem is, that while you understand that you're neurotic, he never
will. ...and will continue on his whole life being a fathead.

--

Keith

 

[keith]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:42:57 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:41:34 -0700, "Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com
wrote:


"Al Borowski" <al.borowski@EraseThis.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:42dc9b7c$0$6387$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
Guy Macon wrote:
Terry Given wrote:


ROTFLMAO!


*plonk*


Do you really think people still fall for the alt.dev.null trick? Why
bother?

I see you fail to distinguish between the typical childish flamer, who
misdirects threads to upset people, and Guy Macon, who does it for our own
good.



It suddenly dawned on me, he's a Democrat ;-)

Oh, crap! Did you hear them wail tonight? "I don't know who the hell he
is (I voted for), but I'm against him".

--
Keith

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:01:48 -0400, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:42:57 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:41:34 -0700, "Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com
wrote:


"Al Borowski" <al.borowski@EraseThis.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:42dc9b7c$0$6387$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
Guy Macon wrote:
Terry Given wrote:


ROTFLMAO!


*plonk*


Do you really think people still fall for the alt.dev.null trick? Why
bother?

I see you fail to distinguish between the typical childish flamer, who
misdirects threads to upset people, and Guy Macon, who does it for our own
good.



It suddenly dawned on me, he's a Democrat ;-)

Oh, crap! Did you hear them wail tonight? "I don't know who the hell he
is (I voted for), but I'm against him".

I think the Democrats will self-destruct trying to pick-off "Mr.
Clean" that Bush just nominated to the Court ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[YD]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:59:55 +1200, Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org>
wrote:

Guy Macon wrote:
Al Borowski wrote:


I'm just wondering what the point is. Obviously people are smart enough
to remove the alt.dev.null silliness because they're replying.
Presumably it takes extra effort on your part to add it. So why keep
doing it?


[1] Setting followups to alt.dev.null is, like all followups,
a suggestion to those who reply as to where they should reply.
Because I won't see any reply from the person I killfiled and
because I don't care what anyone else thinks, I insert a
suggestion of no reply from either group. You are, of course,
free to ignore my suggestion.

[2] Because certain flamers who are now in my killfile posted
personal attacks and stated a preference that I not set
followups. If such flaming is rewarded, there will be more
of it. I prefer less flaming, and thus choose to never, ever
give someone what they ask for if the request contains a
personal attack.

Am I in your kill file (which I presume I must be, given your previous
definition of *plonk*), because I had the temerity to laugh at you?

that is rather sad. Although pathetic might be a better word. Luckily I
find fragile people amusing.

ROTFLMAOYA,

Terry

I don't, except when they wave their fragility like a banner making a
nuisance of themselves. For the most part they're to be pitied, but in
the case of GM all one can really do is to point and laugh at their
antics. In the long run this won't do much good either, I've a feeling
he really needs help, but he won't get it until he admits it himself.

- YD.

--
Remove HAT if replying by mail.

 

[Baking Macon]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:19:53 +0000, Guy Macon
<_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote:

Winfield Hill wrote:

Terry Given wrote...

Guy Macon wrote:

I set followups on the plonk posts to alt.dev.null as
an additional attempt to kill the thread.

This we object to, it's up to us all together whether a
thread deserves to be killed or not, not up to you alone.

Just so that my list is complete, are there any other features
that were designed into the fabric of Usenet that you object to?

Setting followups is advisory. You still get to decide where
your posts go. You can even use your killfile so that you
never see those naughty followups that offend you so. This
has been explained to you before.

Setting followups is advisory. There exists no newsreader
that does not allow the poster to choose where his posts go.
I suggest taking personal responsibility for your actions rather
than following what you consider to be bad advice and then blaming
the person who advised you for your bad decisions. If you have
chosen to use a newsreader that silently obeys advisory header
fields without giving you a warning or allowing you to change
the default behavior, I suggest that you get a better newsreader.

Setting followups is advisory. Some poorly-written newsreaders
have the default behavior of starting a post with the entire
post that is being replied to quoted, and with the newsgroups
line set according to the followup-to and newsgroups header
fields, but this in no way reduces the poster's personal
responsibility for what is contained in his posts or for where
his posts go.

My preference from the start was and still is a newsgroup
environment where reasonable people can sit down like adults
and discuss their respective behaviors and arrive at a
compromise. You and others have decided that you prefer an
adversarial relationship. You should not be surprised when
this decision of yours results in your stated preferences
being ignored. I have preferences too; I prefer discussion
about electronics without personal attacks. If you wish me to
even consider changing my behavior to suit your preferences,
I suggest that you be at least slightly willing to change your
behavior to suit my preferences. Did I mention that setting
followups is advisory?

IOW, you're imposing a conduct which is not the norm in this group. In
some groups, notably the wannabe-hacker and flame groups messing about
in the headers is part of their culture. This kind of prank is
expected, everyone watches for it and deals with it accordingly. In
the more gentlemanly groups like this one, most posters aren't used to
this shenanigan. It's taken on trust that a poster will be honest
enough not to do anything untowards. You are betraying that trust and
creating suspicions. Luckily you're the only one caught doing this so
it's easy to watch for. The changes are easy to detect and most
newsreaders give warning, but it's still unexpected for those who have
grown used to the rather benign atmosphere in this ng.

When taken to task on this you rant away on how you're giving people
an "education" on how usenet is supposed to work and how everyone must
take responsibility for their postings. IOW, you're telling them how
you'd like this group to be run. Hell, this and many other groups have
worked perfectly well for many years without your meddling. Who gave
you the authority to change a culture that's built up over a long
time?

Any flames and ill-will you've gotten lately is entirely due to your
own bad temper and attempts to have the last word in everything.

If you really feel this unwelcome why don't you simply stay away?
--
Baking Macon.

 

[Baking Macon]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:19:29 +0000, Guy Macon
<_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote:

Richard H. wrote:

http://www.newsreaders.com/guide/netiquette.html

"When using the followup header, it is nice to put in the message
somewhere 'Followups set.'"

If one is truly concerned about SNR in this group, such a simple
courtesy would make their actions more prominent and appear less
devious. Unless, of course, the goal is really to appear devious and
perpetuate conflict.

This is a perfectly reasonable request. I will be happy to comply.

Do you have a preference as to where in the article you would
like the "followups set" message to be?

Up your ass?
--
Baking Macon
--
Remove HAT if replying by mail.

 

[YD]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:29:27 +0000, Guy Macon
<_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote:

Al Borowski wrote:

I'm just wondering what the point is. Obviously people are smart enough
to remove the alt.dev.null silliness because they're replying.
Presumably it takes extra effort on your part to add it. So why keep
doing it?

[1] Setting followups to alt.dev.null is, like all followups,
a suggestion to those who reply as to where they should reply.
Because I won't see any reply from the person I killfiled and
because I don't care what anyone else thinks, I insert a
suggestion of no reply from either group. You are, of course,
free to ignore my suggestion.

[2] Because certain flamers who are now in my killfile posted
personal attacks and stated a preference that I not set
followups. If such flaming is rewarded, there will be more
of it. I prefer less flaming, and thus choose to never, ever
give someone what they ask for if the request contains a
personal attack.

You would avoid all kinds of flaming if you didn't even show up.

- YD.

--
Remove HAT if replying by mail.

 

[Guy Macon]

Followups set.

The person who usually posts as YD <ydtechHAT@techie.com> has decided
to morph identities in order to avoid killfiles. I deleted the post
without reading it, then fed the headers into my Bayesian scorefile
system so he stays killfiled.

He also crossposted to alt.shenanigans and set followups to alt.2600.
I am looking forward to seeing those who complained about my setting
followups being consistent and complaining about YD setting followups.

 

[Pooh Bear]

Guy Macon wrote:

Followups set.

The person who usually posts as YD <ydtechHAT@techie.com> has decided
to morph identities in order to avoid killfiles. I deleted the post
without reading it, then fed the headers into my Bayesian scorefile
system so he stays killfiled.

He also crossposted to alt.shenanigans and set followups to alt.2600.
I am looking forward to seeing those who complained about my setting
followups being consistent and complaining about YD setting followups.

WTF is he rabbiting on about now ?

Why is this post in this thread ?

Graham

 

[Richard Henry]

"Guy Macon" <_see.web.page_@_www.guymacon.com_> wrote in message
news:11drjki5ue3evf4@corp.supernews.com...

Followups set.

The person who usually posts as YD <ydtechHAT@techie.com> has decided
to morph identities in order to avoid killfiles. I deleted the post
without reading it, then fed the headers into my Bayesian scorefile
system so he stays killfiled.

He also crossposted to alt.shenanigans and set followups to alt.2600.
I am looking forward to seeing those who complained about my setting
followups being consistent and complaining about YD setting followups.

Actually, I was planning to ignore him.

 

[Terry Given]

YD wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:59:55 +1200, Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org
wrote:


Guy Macon wrote:

Al Borowski wrote:



I'm just wondering what the point is. Obviously people are smart enough
to remove the alt.dev.null silliness because they're replying.
Presumably it takes extra effort on your part to add it. So why keep
doing it?


[1] Setting followups to alt.dev.null is, like all followups,
a suggestion to those who reply as to where they should reply.
Because I won't see any reply from the person I killfiled and
because I don't care what anyone else thinks, I insert a
suggestion of no reply from either group. You are, of course,
free to ignore my suggestion.

[2] Because certain flamers who are now in my killfile posted
personal attacks and stated a preference that I not set
followups. If such flaming is rewarded, there will be more
of it. I prefer less flaming, and thus choose to never, ever
give someone what they ask for if the request contains a
personal attack.

Am I in your kill file (which I presume I must be, given your previous
definition of *plonk*), because I had the temerity to laugh at you?

that is rather sad. Although pathetic might be a better word. Luckily I
find fragile people amusing.

ROTFLMAOYA,

Terry


I don't, except when they wave their fragility like a banner making a
nuisance of themselves. For the most part they're to be pitied, but in
the case of GM all one can really do is to point and laugh at their
antics. In the long run this won't do much good either, I've a feeling
he really needs help, but he won't get it until he admits it himself.

- YD.

After Rich's post, I thought about what I meant a bit more. I find it
amusing to see people hoist by their own petards. I laugh at, say,
anti-smut campaigners who go out of their way to find and view films
etc. which they find "disgusting." hilarious. Actually not a bad analogy
in this case.

I like the way you put it so much I'll repeat it:

"when they wave their fragility like a banner, making a nuisance of
themselves"

lovely. I couldnt help but add the comma though.

Cheers
Terry

 

[Terry Given]

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:01:48 -0400, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:


On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:42:57 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:


On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:41:34 -0700, "Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com
wrote:


"Al Borowski" <al.borowski@EraseThis.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:42dc9b7c$0$6387$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...

Guy Macon wrote:

Terry Given wrote:



ROTFLMAO!


*plonk*


Do you really think people still fall for the alt.dev.null trick? Why
bother?

I see you fail to distinguish between the typical childish flamer, who
misdirects threads to upset people, and Guy Macon, who does it for our own
good.



It suddenly dawned on me, he's a Democrat ;-)

Oh, crap! Did you hear them wail tonight? "I don't know who the hell he
is (I voted for), but I'm against him".


I think the Democrats will self-destruct trying to pick-off "Mr.
Clean" that Bush just nominated to the Court ;-)

...Jim Thompson

do you really think they can organise themselves that well?

Cheers
Terry

 

[YD]

Terry Given wrote:

YD wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:59:55 +1200, Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org
wrote:


Guy Macon wrote:

Al Borowski wrote:



I'm just wondering what the point is. Obviously people are
smart enough to remove the alt.dev.null silliness because
they're replying. Presumably it takes extra effort on your
part to add it. So why keep doing it?


[1] Setting followups to alt.dev.null is, like all followups,
a suggestion to those who reply as to where they should reply.
Because I won't see any reply from the person I killfiled and
because I don't care what anyone else thinks, I insert a
suggestion of no reply from either group. You are, of course,
free to ignore my suggestion.

[2] Because certain flamers who are now in my killfile posted
personal attacks and stated a preference that I not set
followups. If such flaming is rewarded, there will be more
of it. I prefer less flaming, and thus choose to never, ever
give someone what they ask for if the request contains a
personal attack.

Am I in your kill file (which I presume I must be, given your
previous definition of plonk), because I had the temerity to
laugh at you?

that is rather sad. Although pathetic might be a better word.
Luckily I find fragile people amusing.

ROTFLMAOYA,

Terry


I don't, except when they wave their fragility like a banner making
a nuisance of themselves. For the most part they're to be pitied,
but in the case of GM all one can really do is to point and laugh
at their antics. In the long run this won't do much good either,
I've a feeling he really needs help, but he won't get it until he
admits it himself.

- YD.

After Rich's post, I thought about what I meant a bit more. I find it
amusing to see people hoist by their own petards. I laugh at, say,
anti-smut campaigners who go out of their way to find and view films
etc. which they find "disgusting." hilarious. Actually not a bad
analogy in this case.

I like the way you put it so much I'll repeat it:

"when they wave their fragility like a banner, making a nuisance of
themselves"

lovely. I couldnt help but add the comma though.

Cheers
Terry

Glad you liked it, feel free to use it as you like. I did think it
sounded a bit forced without the comma, but I'm no grammarian so I let
it slip by. Let's just hope the Apostrophe Police doesn't create a
Comma Branch

- YD.