solder won't come out of hole

[Tom Del Rosso]

Ian Field wrote:

"Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message news:jujkr5$3on$1@dont-email.me...

Ian Field wrote:

This is with Mozilla Thunderbird - any better?

Doesn't it look better to you?

### Pity the UI is F**king horrible!

Well you can get the source code and change it. I never looked at MS
Liveshit, but I doubt it has a good UI especially for usenet.


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[Jim Yanik]

"Ian Field" <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote in
news:zSbPr.67734$v24.57811@fx11.am4:

"Doug White" wrote in message
news:XnsA098C581E3D75gwhitealummitedu@69.16.186.7...

snip

XNews works well,and it's free. it's also simple,ideal for me!

### that's what I always use for multipart binaries, but I can't get
along with the UI for posting on text only groups.


Anothe vote for Xnews. It has a few minor quirks, but it's small &
very fast.

Doug White

### Another one with basic reading problems - what part of "I can't
get along with the UI for posting on text only groups" do you not
understand?!

I don't understand HOW you "don't get along with the UI".
I don't like complex SW that takes a long time to learn,and Xnews is SO
easy to use. If -I- can do it....


--
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jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

 

[Ian Field]

"Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message news:jujrkn$f3h$1@dont-email.me...


Ian Field wrote:

"Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message news:jujkr5$3on$1@dont-email.me...

Ian Field wrote:

This is with Mozilla Thunderbird - any better?

Doesn't it look better to you?

### Pity the UI is F**king horrible!

Well you can get the source code and change it. I never looked at MS
Liveshit, but I doubt it has a good UI especially for usenet.


### WLM has a similar UI to OE - which is what I'm used to.

###I've also tried installing Xananews - the UI looks like it might be
tolerable but I get "pipeline out of sequence" error when I try to get
message body.

### Apparently "upgrading" to an older version of WLM can fix quoted text
indentation - but I've yet to find a copy.

 

[Ian Field]

"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
news:02rq08hql2v093009r57nmmtm2qgljmbg7@4ax.com...

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:19:15 +0100, Ian Field
<gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:

This is with Mozilla Thunderbird - any better?

Yes, much better.

### Pity about the mangles UI though!

 

[Ian Field]

"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
news:XnsA09977ADAF9E4jyaniklocalnetcom@216.168.3.44...

"Ian Field" <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote in
news:zSbPr.67734$v24.57811@fx11.am4:

"Doug White" wrote in message
news:XnsA098C581E3D75gwhitealummitedu@69.16.186.7...

snip

XNews works well,and it's free. it's also simple,ideal for me!

### that's what I always use for multipart binaries, but I can't get
along with the UI for posting on text only groups.


Anothe vote for Xnews. It has a few minor quirks, but it's small &
very fast.

Doug White

### Another one with basic reading problems - what part of "I can't
get along with the UI for posting on text only groups" do you not
understand?!

I don't understand HOW you "don't get along with the UI".
I don't like complex SW that takes a long time to learn,and Xnews is SO
easy to use. If -I- can do it....

### It might actually not seem so bad after the succession of mangled
trainwrecks I've seen since trying to find an alternative to WLM.

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:06:53 +0100, "Ian Field"
<gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:

### Pity about the mangles UI though!

What type or style of user interface do you prefer?
An example of a program that does it correctly will suffice.
My theory is that users tends to favor whatever they
learned first. Hopefully, you don't want something
that looks like a teletype machine output.

Did you at least look at Forte Agent?

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[Ian Field]

"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message
news:7uir081ubi2o95fn9kdamsosq2g8uf6vnn@4ax.com...

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:06:53 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:

### Pity about the mangles UI though!

What type or style of user interface do you prefer?
An example of a program that does it correctly will suffice.
My theory is that users tends to favor whatever they
learned first. Hopefully, you don't want something
that looks like a teletype machine output.

Did you at least look at Forte Agent?

Found a standalone install of WLM2009.

There's top menus missing compared to the latest version, but last time I
posted with it the indenting was OK.

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 14:50:08 +0100, "Ian Field"
<gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Found a standalone install of WLM2009.

Before:

X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308
After:
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416
Yeah, that looks like the right version.

There's top menus missing compared to the latest version, but last time I
posted with it the indenting was OK.

Indents and quotes are now fine and your messages are readable.
Congrats.

--
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

 

[Ian Field]

"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message
news:veht081qur2hf0sn2cuifvvamcavftn6pa@4ax.com...

On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 14:50:08 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Found a standalone install of WLM2009.

Before:
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308
After:
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416
Yeah, that looks like the right version.

There's top menus missing compared to the latest version, but last time I
posted with it the indenting was OK.

Indents and quotes are now fine and your messages are readable.
Congrats.

Just in case it helps anyone else, this is where I found the standalone
WLM2009 installer:


http://www.geekonthepc.com/2010/10/10/get-the-old-windows-live-essentials-2009-back/

There is a WLM2009 online installer on Filehippo, and the install files are
still accessible on the M$ server (for now!).

Live Essentials 2011 must be completely uninstalled first or it will report
there's a newer version installed and refuse to proceed.

 

[josephkk]

On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:44:15 +0100, "Ian Field"
<gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:

"josephkk" wrote in message
news:sfoo08dtq0d58rga7b6vag7hdfibmodgpb@4ax.com...

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:11:52 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:



"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
news:f9nd0812gqb59gn756tto2pomt1pikg27m@4ax.com...

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:44:45 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:

***Hot air (electric paint stripper) gun and a stiff paintbush - perfect
for
harvesting SMD parts.

Yep, but I don't do it that way. With SMD, the problem is identifying
the parts after they've been removed. I usually just want the active
components anyway.

***One thing I particularly go after is the larger multilayer SMD chip
capacitors, surprisingly large values in surprisingly small package. Also
the larger discrete semiconductors, the TO251/252 fit less veroboard space
than a TO92.

Ian, lose the microshit live garbage and use a real news reader. It is
similar to wearing appropriate clothes.


***I've just installed Xananews which has halted with "pipeline out of
sequence" error and refuses to load any messages in the group I've
subscribed so far.

***Also installed Gravity - loads messages and indents correctly but the UI
is an utter shambles!!!

Well at least you are trying. Personally i use agent and it is about the
best i have tried. And i have tried a lot, that was some time ago now.

?-)

 

[Ian Field]

"josephkk" <joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:72ou08p6cpr0tb2pdqcq9krj7m48r8r39p@4ax.com...

On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:44:15 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:



"josephkk" wrote in message
news:sfoo08dtq0d58rga7b6vag7hdfibmodgpb@4ax.com...

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:11:52 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:



"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
news:f9nd0812gqb59gn756tto2pomt1pikg27m@4ax.com...

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:44:45 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:

***Hot air (electric paint stripper) gun and a stiff paintbush - perfect
for
harvesting SMD parts.

Yep, but I don't do it that way. With SMD, the problem is identifying
the parts after they've been removed. I usually just want the active
components anyway.

***One thing I particularly go after is the larger multilayer SMD chip
capacitors, surprisingly large values in surprisingly small package. Also
the larger discrete semiconductors, the TO251/252 fit less veroboard
space
than a TO92.

Ian, lose the microshit live garbage and use a real news reader. It is
similar to wearing appropriate clothes.


***I've just installed Xananews which has halted with "pipeline out of
sequence" error and refuses to load any messages in the group I've
subscribed so far.

***Also installed Gravity - loads messages and indents correctly but the
UI
is an utter shambles!!!

Well at least you are trying. Personally i use agent and it is about the
best i have tried. And i have tried a lot, that was some time ago now.

?-)

Found a standalone installer for Live Essentials 2009 in which live mail
indents correctly.

Here's the link in case it helps anyone else:

http://www.geekonthepc.com/2010/10/10/get-the-old-windows-live-essentials-2009-back/

 

[josephkk]

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:00:04 +0100, "Ian Field"
<gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:

"Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message news:jujkr5$3on$1@dont-email.me...


Ian Field wrote:
On 22/07/2012 22:07, Phil Hobbs wrote:

Hey, Ian, what's with the three asterisks? It makes you look like
an Allison and a half. (*)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

(*) Phil A. uses two asterisks.



This is with Mozilla Thunderbird - any better?

Doesn't it look better to you?

### Pity the UI is F**king horrible!

Not sure about your idea of UI usability but thunderbird sure beats the
pants off of the google web interfarce (not difficult to do).

?-)

 

[josephkk]

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:05:48 +0100, "Ian Field"
<gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:

"Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message news:jujrkn$f3h$1@dont-email.me...


Ian Field wrote:
"Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message news:jujkr5$3on$1@dont-email.me...

Ian Field wrote:

This is with Mozilla Thunderbird - any better?

Doesn't it look better to you?

### Pity the UI is F**king horrible!

Well you can get the source code and change it. I never looked at MS
Liveshit, but I doubt it has a good UI especially for usenet.


### WLM has a similar UI to OE - which is what I'm used to.

###I've also tried installing Xananews - the UI looks like it might be
tolerable but I get "pipeline out of sequence" error when I try to get
message body.

### Apparently "upgrading" to an older version of WLM can fix quoted text
indentation - but I've yet to find a copy.

Plus you will be doomed to fighting the updater forever. Get a real news
reader. It is a different interface, M$ f***d that up.

?-)

 

[josephkk]

On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:10:31 +0100, "Ian Field"
<gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:

"josephkk" <joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:72ou08p6cpr0tb2pdqcq9krj7m48r8r39p@4ax.com...
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:44:15 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:



"josephkk" wrote in message
news:sfoo08dtq0d58rga7b6vag7hdfibmodgpb@4ax.com...

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:11:52 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:



"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
news:f9nd0812gqb59gn756tto2pomt1pikg27m@4ax.com...

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:44:45 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:

***Hot air (electric paint stripper) gun and a stiff paintbush - perfect
for
harvesting SMD parts.

Yep, but I don't do it that way. With SMD, the problem is identifying
the parts after they've been removed. I usually just want the active
components anyway.

***One thing I particularly go after is the larger multilayer SMD chip
capacitors, surprisingly large values in surprisingly small package. Also
the larger discrete semiconductors, the TO251/252 fit less veroboard
space
than a TO92.

Ian, lose the microshit live garbage and use a real news reader. It is
similar to wearing appropriate clothes.


***I've just installed Xananews which has halted with "pipeline out of
sequence" error and refuses to load any messages in the group I've
subscribed so far.

***Also installed Gravity - loads messages and indents correctly but the
UI
is an utter shambles!!!

Well at least you are trying. Personally i use agent and it is about the
best i have tried. And i have tried a lot, that was some time ago now.

?-)


Found a standalone installer for Live Essentials 2009 in which live mail
indents correctly.

Here's the link in case it helps anyone else:

http://www.geekonthepc.com/2010/10/10/get-the-old-windows-live-essentials-2009-back/

Megasnot didn't invent usenet, they think they have a vested interest in
destroying it. A proper news reader does have a different kind of
interface, it must as the demesnes predates M$.

?-)

 

[N_Cook]

Jamie <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote in message
news:71oOr.22891$lt3.2515@newsfe18.iad...

N_Cook wrote:

Jamie <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote in
message
news:y81Or.10676$jA7.883@newsfe15.iad...

Ian Field wrote:



"Jamie" wrote in message news:y%HNr.15630$Kb4.13788@newsfe20.iad...

Chas wrote:


"Jamie" <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote in
message news:7gnNr.4237$jA7.3135@newsfe15.iad...


Tom Del Rosso wrote:



For the past couple of hours I've been trying to get the solder out
of a hole. It's a mobo cap, and the other hole sucked right out.
It's like an obstruction. The solder melts with difficulty, but
even then I can't get a dental pick as deep as in the other hole.
The cap pulled out easily on both leads.



If you have some indium base solder or old leaded solder, reflow it
with that, then suck it out..
Also, I've used my hot air wand to clear the holes.

Jamie





Carefully drill the solder out with a PCB drill slightly smaller than
the hole.

you must be careful to not remove the vias conductor when doing so.

Jamie

***Easier said than done!

I have a tip I made for my Hot air wand that has a hypodermic needle on
it. I heat it up and hit the air switch and push it through the hole.

Jamie..




What is that like with PbF ?. Hypos use stainless steel and I find
stainless
steel is a reasonable identifier of PbF as it determinedly sticks to
stainless steel, does the capilliary bore of the needle then totally
block
with solder?


you have your air pump when when doing so. No, it does not stick to the
needles I use. In fact, I can just shake it and the solder will fall off.

Jamie

I thought the capilliary force might take the molten solder up the tube ,
even just a surface coating inside would mount up each time , until full
clog. So I take it that is not the case.

 

[Ian Field]

"josephkk" <joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:t6f4189scjaigijevhv0ck1uee6t2qbi2a@4ax.com...

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:05:48 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:



"Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message news:jujrkn$f3h$1@dont-email.me...


Ian Field wrote:
"Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message news:jujkr5$3on$1@dont-email.me...

Ian Field wrote:

This is with Mozilla Thunderbird - any better?

Doesn't it look better to you?

### Pity the UI is F**king horrible!

Well you can get the source code and change it. I never looked at MS
Liveshit, but I doubt it has a good UI especially for usenet.


### WLM has a similar UI to OE - which is what I'm used to.

###I've also tried installing Xananews - the UI looks like it might be
tolerable but I get "pipeline out of sequence" error when I try to get
message body.

### Apparently "upgrading" to an older version of WLM can fix quoted text
indentation - but I've yet to find a copy.

Plus you will be doomed to fighting the updater forever. Get a real news
reader. It is a different interface, M$ f***d that up.

Unless (and probably if) I want to pay for a "real" news reader - all the
one's I've found the UI was a mangled train wreck!!!!!

In WLM2009, the news UI is actually faulty - but compared to the 4 or 5
readers I tried, its just about tolerable.

Had I not found WLM2009 - I would have carried on using WLM2011 and just
ignored the howls of protest.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

josephkk wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:00:04 +0100, "Ian Field"
gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:



"Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message news:jujkr5$3on$1@dont-email.me...


Ian Field wrote:
On 22/07/2012 22:07, Phil Hobbs wrote:

Hey, Ian, what's with the three asterisks? It makes you look like
an Allison and a half. (*)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

(*) Phil A. uses two asterisks.



This is with Mozilla Thunderbird - any better?

Doesn't it look better to you?

### Pity the UI is F**king horrible!

Not sure about your idea of UI usability but thunderbird sure beats the
pants off of the google web interfarce (not difficult to do).

So does Netscape 4.8

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

josephkk wrote:

Megasnot didn't invent usenet, they think they have a vested interest in
destroying it. A proper news reader does have a different kind of
interface, it must as the demesnes predates M$.

It's another case of coders writing for something they don't use.
They are all hat & no horse. ;-)