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Such as ?On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 02:55:08 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
PV solar is insane compared to solar thermal.
Agreed, but, PV is personal and intimate and offers me certain advantages
when t is on my roof.
You can fit solar thermal on your own roof.Solar thermal s just another huge, remote and unreliable technology on an
equal footing to a coal fired power station as far as I'm concerned.
The amps isn't the issue, it's the Wh ( or Joules if you prefer ).Eeyore wrote:
terryc wrote:
Naah, a couple of deep discharge batteries will cover the needed/
essential stuff that the LPG systems don't already cover (cooking,
heating and lighting).
Cooking and heating use a lot of electricity.
Yes, which is why our stove top is gas and we still have a wood heater,
which is shortly to be replaced by gas.
We swapped out the electric kettle for the cuppa after the last bill. It
pulled 9.? amps to boil a cuppa.
Oh not that nutcase claim.Eeyore wrote:
Temperatures are currently FALLING !
Temperatures are not climate.
Dry waste storage has become increasingly popular.On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 23:35:31 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
I suggest you look at the French answer. It works.
Absolutely no information on disposal.
Where?
How?
On the contrary, it powers France and some of its neighbours.Who really pays for it? consumers or government(everyone?)
Nuclear Power has been talking this crap for decades and still doesn't
have an answer.
I do not need a hotwater system atm. The current off peak electric one isSolar thermal s just another huge, remote and unreliable technology on
an equal footing to a coal fired power station as far as I'm concerned.
You can fit solar thermal on your own roof.
It is at the end on an increasingly unreliable distribution.What's wrong with being huge btw. Huge is what's needed. I don't know
why you think it's unreliable. Remote in what way ?
Well, I can measure amps and calculated KiloWatthours from that which isterryc wrote:
We swapped out the electric kettle for the cuppa after the last bill.
It pulled 9.? amps to boil a cuppa.
The amps isn't the issue, it's the Wh ( or Joules if you prefer ).
It isn't a nutcase claim. Average Temperatures at my location have beenterryc wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Temperatures are currently FALLING !
Temperatures are not climate.
Oh not that nutcase claim.
Your answer proves my point. Everything has failed for thirty years andterryc wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 23:35:31 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
I suggest you look at the French answer. It works.
Absolutely no information on disposal. Where?
How?
Dry waste storage has become increasingly popular.
Is that so they can be made to share in the toxic waste storage problem?Who really pays for it? consumers or government(everyone?)
Nuclear Power has been talking this crap for decades and still doesn't
have an answer.
On the contrary, it powers France and some of its neighbours.
Nope, they just haven't thought it all through.Mauried wrote:
I guess Greenpeace would like us all to starve.
Live in caves probably.
Oh please, are you that stupid that you are oblivious to the subsidiesterryc wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 16:29:32 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
terryc wrote:
The bean counters in the government don't have any say. The ATO
does. In any case, the government, all levels, wants to encourage
"private bodies" to get into power generation because the inevitable
electricty shortages would not be blamed on their failure to build
another coal fired power station.
Just buy an EPR.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Pressurized_Reactor
Can you get a government subsidy for it? AFAIK, every nuclear reactor
is heavily subsidised and guaranteed by the gummint.
AREVA is a commercial company.
It takes a certain irreducible about of energy to boil water. If you buyOn Mon, 27 Apr 2009 23:37:31 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
terryc wrote:
Naah, a couple of deep discharge batteries will cover the needed/
essential stuff that the LPG systems don't already cover (cooking,
heating and lighting).
Cooking and heating use a lot of electricity.
Yes, which is why our stove top is gas and we still have a wood heater,
which is shortly to be replaced by gas.
We swapped out the electric kettle for the cuppa after the last bill. It
pulled 9.? amps to boil a cuppa. Next target is the acre of glass in a
free TV we were given.
Maybe time to check for unauthorised cabling leading to your neighbour.We have gone from 19.1Kwh/day to 26.3Kwh/day in a year and we haven't a
clue what is the source. (yes, we do no use dryer, little oven use, etc)
There may come a time when the economics shift in favour of TerryOn 28 Apr 2009 00:40:40 GMT, terryc <newssevenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:
:On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:15:33 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
:
:
:>> Solar thermal s just another huge, remote and unreliable technology on
:>> an equal footing to a coal fired power station as far as I'm concerned.
:
:> You can fit solar thermal on your own roof.
:
:I do not need a hotwater system atm. The current off peak electric one is
:doing fine and replacing it for "environmental/philosophical reasons is
:way down the list of expenditure..
With the domestic power cost set to double in the next few years you might
regret not paying out the dollars now. When you do decide it is economically
viable, a solar hws will have increased even more, so you are in a no-win
situation. I have used solar hws for 30 years now and apart from one ill-fated
foray using a Quantum heat pump system (an expensive failure), I have found a
passive thermo-siphon system to be the best all-round performer. I have
currently installed an Edwards Titan 2 panel system with the tank separated from
the solar panels so the tank is not visible from the front of the house which is
north facing. Only the solar panels are visible and these will soon be
accompanied by six 175W Sharp PV panels for my grid tie system.
Who allegedly subsidises Nuclear Power plants when they are owned andAB wrote:
Hi,
Does anyone have any experience on how long it takes to re-coup your money
on one of these systems ?
The sales pitch looks fabulous but after getting the calculator out it
doesn't seem so good.
That's because it isn't.
Graham
You're living in a 'heat island'.Eeyore wrote:
terryc wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Temperatures are currently FALLING !
Temperatures are not climate.
Oh not that nutcase claim.
It isn't a nutcase claim. Average Temperatures at my location have been
increasing for the last two decades. Why? Because I am located in the
middle of growing suburbia with humoungous amounts of black road surface
that store heat during the day and release it at night.
Not to mention all the trees that had a cooling effect on the
predominantly westerly winds have now been replaced by roads and roofs.
There's a limit to how many lumps of $8000 the gov't can hand out for next to noEeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
AB wrote:
Does anyone have any experience on how long it takes to re-coup your money
on one of these systems ?
The sales pitch looks fabulous but after getting the calculator out it
doesn't seem so good.
That's because it isn't.
Who allegedly subsidises Nuclear Power plants when they are owned and
operated by the State, such as Chinas are.
You cant subsidise yourself.
In the UK shws complement the ordinary hws by pre-heating the input water.Ross Herbert wrote:
terryc <newssevenspam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
:
:>> Solar thermal s just another huge, remote and unreliable technology on
:>> an equal footing to a coal fired power station as far as I'm concerned.
:
:> You can fit solar thermal on your own roof.
:
:I do not need a hotwater system atm. The current off peak electric one is
:doing fine and replacing it for "environmental/philosophical reasons is
:way down the list of expenditure..
With the domestic power cost set to double in the next few years you might
regret not paying out the dollars now. When you do decide it is economically
viable, a solar hws will have increased even more, so you are in a no-win
situation. I have used solar hws for 30 years now and apart from one ill-fated
foray using a Quantum heat pump system (an expensive failure), I have found a
passive thermo-siphon system to be the best all-round performer. I have
currently installed an Edwards Titan 2 panel system with the tank separated from
the solar panels so the tank is not visible from the front of the house which is
north facing. Only the solar panels are visible and these will soon be
accompanied by six 175W Sharp PV panels for my grid tie system.
There may come a time when the economics shift in favour of Terry
installing a SHWS. But ripping out a functioning HWS now is unlikely to
be cost effective. Usually the time to make these decisions is when an
existing installation reaches the end of its useful life.
That is part of the considerations. If I can get my brain functioningWith the domestic power cost set to double in the next few years you
might regret not paying out the dollars now.
It will all be relative. Any subsidy/rebate puts the price of theseWhen you do decide it is economically viable, a solar hws will
have increased even more, so you are in a no-win situation.
Town pressure? What distance of run? My pipes would have to run 13metresI have used solar hws for 30 years now and
apart from one ill-fated foray using a Quantum heat pump system (an
expensive failure), I have found a passive thermo-siphon system to be
the best all-round performer.
I have currently installed an Edwards Titan 2 panel system with
the tank separated from the solar panels so the tank is not visible
from the front of the house
AFAIK, not allowed by Integral Energy. SHWS in the right areas are moreIn the UK shws complement the ordinary hws by pre-heating the input
water.
ASIO spy equipment in the ceiling is more likely. I'm also pretty sureterryc wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 23:37:31 +0100, Eeyore wrote:
terryc wrote:
Naah, a couple of deep discharge batteries will cover the needed/
essential stuff that the LPG systems don't already cover (cooking,
heating and lighting).
Cooking and heating use a lot of electricity.
Yes, which is why our stove top is gas and we still have a wood heater,
which is shortly to be replaced by gas.
We swapped out the electric kettle for the cuppa after the last bill.
It pulled 9.? amps to boil a cuppa. Next target is the acre of glass in
a free TV we were given.
It takes a certain irreducible about of energy to boil water. If you buy
a kettle that draws a lower current, it will simply take longer to boil
the water. But you can make a saving by investing in a modern type of
kettle with a flat element, because you avoid having to boil more water
than you intend to use merely so that the element is covered.
We have gone from 19.1Kwh/day to 26.3Kwh/day in a year and we haven't a
clue what is the source. (yes, we do no use dryer, little oven use,
etc)
Maybe time to check for unauthorised cabling leading to your neighbour.
Yep, BTDT, but that doesn't check calibration.Or check the calibration of your meter.
Does the meter stop when everything is turned off?