Solar cell modules

Newsgroups · Apr 18, 2004

You've asked for a module that puts out 6-9 volts @ 100 mA. A more
accurate description of a solar panel would be that it puts out 100 mA
at 6-9 volts.

Also the currewnt outputdepends somewhat on the latitude you're at. You
won't get all that current at the arctic circle.
=============================

As a rule of thumb , a starting angle (from horizontal) for setting up a
solar panel is Degrees Latitude plus 10 degrees.
My QTH is at 57 degrees north ,so I have initially set up the 2 panels
(each fitted at ground level on an adjustable hinged wooden frame) at
approx 67 degrees. , pointing due south ,which is about optimal (not having
a tracking system)
I use 2 make: Unisolar ,64Wp panels which have a non or low reflecting
surface made of a polymer ( no glass).
Rated output per panel 3.88 Amperes at 16.5 volts ; short circuit current
6.3 Amperes.
Charging 12 V Lead -Acid batteries to 14.4 V , voltage limited by a home
made shunt controller .
System includes a 150 Watts wind generator , to support system during windy
(and usually sunless) periods
Purpose : Amateur Radio station with peripherals including 12 V halogen
bulbs desk lighting.

Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH

Jan Panteltje · Apr 18, 2004

On a sunny day (Sun, 18 Apr 2004 01:08:04 +0100) it happened "Newsgroups"
<f.dinger@ntlworld.com> wrote in <hQjgc.160$Jc5.69@newsfe1-win>:

Charging 12 V Lead -Acid batteries to 14.4 V , voltage limited by a home
made shunt controller .
System includes a 150 Watts wind generator , to support system during windy
(and usually sunless) periods
Now a wind generator would be cool, there are many windmils of huge size here,

one next to my house (100m or so), a BIG one that replaced 5 smaller ones...
It is on the coast, and it is always windy here...
How big is that thing?
JP

Jim Thompson · Apr 18, 2004

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 00:35:15 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 18 Apr 2004 01:08:04 +0100) it happened "Newsgroups"
f.dinger@ntlworld.com> wrote in <hQjgc.160$Jc5.69@newsfe1-win>:

Charging 12 V Lead -Acid batteries to 14.4 V , voltage limited by a home
made shunt controller .
System includes a 150 Watts wind generator , to support system during windy
(and usually sunless) periods
Now a wind generator would be cool, there are many windmils of huge size here,
one next to my house (100m or so), a BIG one that replaced 5 smaller ones...
It is on the coast, and it is always windy here...
How big is that thing?
JP

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su · Apr 18, 2004

"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c5mqgb$23pc$1@news.wplus.net...

On a sunny day (Thu, 15 Apr 2004 05:57:18 GMT) it happened
ehsjr@bellatlantic.net wrote in <407E2458.C40B070D@bellatlantic.net>:
A guy in Florida quoted 48 years pay back time. I ran
the numbers for my home - over 40 years, and I pay 13
cents per kwh. A 2 kW system costs $15000. Assuming
an average of 8 hours per day of 2kW per hour, that
solar system would give me 16 kWh. I pay 16*.13 or
$2.08 for 16 kWh. Works out to 19+ years for payback,
if you don't count on mortgage payments for the system.
Add that in, and the cost of a $15000 system is
much worse - over 30,000 in a 25 year, 7% mortgage.
You have to take into account that the cost of a kWh from
the grid in 25 years will be a LOT higher too, if there
still is a grid during and after WW3 that is.
JP

I don't blame you for being paranoid about WW3, if you're from Holland.
History has treated those countries poorly during the last WWs. But
then, who cares if there's a WW3? I'm more concerned about the next big
earthquake. Some scientists are predicting a big 6.something earthquake
in the Southern Calif. desert before Sept. I hope so, 'cause some of
these immigrants might consider going back to their point of
origination.

Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su · Apr 18, 2004

"Anthony Matonak" <res04ijs@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:407FFC49.9060501@verizon.net...

Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the Dark Remover\" wrote:
"Anthony Matonak" <res04ijs@verizon.net> wrote in message
You could chose to eliminate chicken as well as beef, eggs and
dairy.
I'm no expert in either nutrition or food prices but I think you
could

[snip]

The price penalty becomes even greater when you purchase food
products
that eliminate meat such as silk and soy bean and tofu meat
substitutes.
It's a matter of supply and demand; most people don't buy these
things,
so the prices are higher.

The price penalty is only on items that try to replace or substitute
for meat (and often failing miserably). If you simply purchase items
such as beans, rice, grains, nuts and so forth, as they exist in
nature (or at least, supermarket shelves) then their prices become
very
low.

Last I checked, nuts were more expensive than some meats. And most
people haven't got a clue as to how to eat a meat-free diet and get
proper nutrition. That's the problem.

[snip]

Anthony

Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su · Apr 18, 2004

"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c5p70v$u56$1@news.wplus.net...

On a sunny day (Fri, 16 Apr 2004 06:40:16 GMT) it happened
ehsjr@bellatlantic.net wrote in <407F7FE6.3D9FC215@bellatlantic.net>:

[snip]

From this we can see that borrowing is not a bad idea perhaps.
Also that still leaves you with all the cash you can spend on
other things now.

Real good concept: mortgage your future.

> JP

Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su · Apr 18, 2004

"Solar Guppy" <solar-guppy@solar-guppy.com> wrote in message
news:JrZfc.28092$Lg.1145@fe07.usenetserver.com...

So now you saying solar thermal has no pay back ? ... please ... solar
thermal is about 5x better than solar PV in payback times.

The cost is about 1700.00 (US) for a system that will replace about
90% of
domestic hot-water needs , and in my last house , lowered my electric
usage
by about 45 dollars a month.

There are many web-references to the 3-4 year break even ... instead
of
picking on my grammar , spend some time to get your facts right and
use
Google for references instead of your obvious fact-less opinions of
solar
thermal and solar electric.

"Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com
wrote
in message news:107vrdtn5n34l85@corp.supernews.com...

SNIP

My apt. owner put solar water heater panels on the roof more than
ten
years ago, and I don't think they've been cost effective. The
neighborhood vandals threw rocks at one and broke it, so they had to
pur
chicken wire over the panels to prevent damage. The cats used the
foam
pipe insulation to sharpen their claws, so it's gone for about two
feet
up from the roof. The controller and storage tanks are not working
as
they should, so I would guess that the system needs repair. All in
all,
even with the rebates, it wasn't as good as it was made out to be.

I think that the figures that you gave might be optimum, but not
realistic, when other things are considered. Like dirt and snow can
seriously reduce the solar output. So some maintenance has to be
done.
And there are other factors, intangibles, that have to be
considered,
such as breakdown on the electronics. When that happens, the owner
may
have to make a tough decision to spend a lot of money to repair, or
just
leave it unrepaired and disconnect it. Don't say that's not going
to
happen! Most of the solar heater panels I've seen are not working
after
a few years. It's a just matter of entropy. Things just get
ignored
and turn to dust, and no one bothers with them anymore.

BTW, your followup is not easily readable, misuse of commas, etc.
Needs
work.
[snip]

Facts are facts. I simply stated a fact. First off, that the solar
water heater that I have experience with, and that's a *fact*. And
secondly, your followup is not easily readable, misuse of commas, etc.
Needs work. Fact.

Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su · Apr 18, 2004

"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c5sdkc$10ql$1@news.f.de.plusline.net...

[snip]

That does not mean that there are no individual
cases today where solar is attractive economically, nor
does it encompass those who can't connect to the grid.
Here in teh Netherlands where i am, you could get the
solar installation almost for free, because of government grants,
so many people did it that the gov ran out of the allocated budget,
and is now drastically reducing subsidizing solar power.

Well, the question is, did the gov't get what it wanted, with the
subsidies that it did hand out? In other words, did it hand out 100
million Quatloos worth of subsidies, and get back _more_ than 100
million in benefits, such as reduction in the amount of non-renewable
energy usage, etc.

If so, then it seems to me that the program served its purpose and
should be continued, and even broadened. But then politics..

But it's a non-starter for better than 99 percent of the
people who can connect to the grid. The number of

[snip]

Unfortunatly there is not a lot of sun here...

Yes, that's another factor that should be considered in the overall
plan. less sun, less energy from your investment! Longer payback.

[snip]

But for most people who run
the numbers, solar is clearly a no win situation.

Well, if it was a win situation, then more of them would be installed.
I guess the proof of this statement is that few of them are installed in
urban areas, where most people live.

[snip]
> JP

Rich Grise · Apr 18, 2004

"Joel Kolstad" <JKolstad71HatesSpam@Yahoo.Com> wrote in message
news:c5k3bm$sqo$1@news.oregonstate.edu...
....

Although I understand the reasoning behind it, it's quite ironic how many
people out there who live within an arguably quite reasonable bikable
distance to their place of employment instead drive to work and then drive
to a fitness club afterwards to work out. Although I am all for
people
using their cars as much as they want so long as fuel taxes or whatever
more
or less make up for the impact to the environment, but unfortunately it's
hard to translate that impact into monetary terms.

Yeah, like how many dollars in gas tax have to go into a politician's
pocket to save 1 acre of spotted owl habitat? Is that how that works?

Thanks,
Rich

Solar Guppy · Apr 18, 2004

Please then state your facts .. did your landlord share this with you ?

what was the cost ? ,
what amount of hot water does or did the system produce ?
how many years has it produced hot water ?

and how about some simple numbers to back-up your claim it didn't have an
economical payback ...

http://www3.sympatico.ca/hipett/hotwater.htm 3-4 year payback
http://www.solagen.com/water-heating.htm 1-3 year payback
http://www.environment.act.gov.au/Files/solarhotwatersystemsreport.pdf 4-6
years (in AU dollars)
http://www.ecs-solar.com/solarhotwater_faq.htm 3-4 year based on 600-700
year savings
http://www.solardev.com/hot-water-types.php 4-7 years
http://www.uneptie.org/energy/act/re/fact_sheet/docs/thermal.PDF 4 - 14
years (I guess you can pay to much for anything)
http://www.sixriverssolar.com/solar_water_heating.htm 4 -8 years

Every hear of Google ?

most of the above links are a bit outdated , and if today's electric/Natural
gas prices were used , payback for a self installed system would be in the
2-3 year range. (based on a 1600.00 kit , that I having bought and installed
, replacing 600.00 year in electricity.) I bought and installed and used
this system for 2.5 years ... what are your numbers NOSPAM ?

"Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote
in message news:1083ppno33g9p31@corp.supernews.com...
SNIP

My apt. owner put solar water heater panels on the roof more than
ten
years ago, and I don't think they've been cost effective.

SNIP AGAIN

Facts are facts. I simply stated a fact. First off, that the solar
water heater that I have experience with, and that's a *fact*. And
secondly, your followup is not easily readable, misuse of commas, etc.
Needs work. Fact.

Anthony Matonak · Apr 18, 2004

Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the Dark Remover\" wrote:

"Anthony Matonak" <res04ijs@verizon.net> wrote in message

The price penalty is only on items that try to replace or substitute
for meat (and often failing miserably). If you simply purchase items
such as beans, rice, grains, nuts and so forth, as they exist in
nature (or at least, supermarket shelves) then their prices become
very
low.

Last I checked, nuts were more expensive than some meats. And most
people haven't got a clue as to how to eat a meat-free diet and get
proper nutrition. That's the problem.

Well, then don't buy more expensive products and educate yourself
about proper nutrition. It's not like this is especially complex or
the information particularly difficult to find.

Anthony

Highland Ham · Apr 18, 2004

Now a wind generator would be cool, there are many windmils of huge size
here,
one next to my house (100m or so), a BIG one that replaced 5 smaller
ones...
It is on the coast, and it is always windy here...
How big is that thing?
JP
==============================

As I reported in a previous message its rated capacity is only 150 Watts.
6 Blades , 900 mm diameter, max rpm approx 250 , 3 phase generator ( DC
through one and a half standard 25 Amperes bridge rectifiers)
The thing sits on a street lamp post with an extension (approx 8 metres
above ground.

Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH

Spehro Pefhany · Apr 18, 2004

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:45:00 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 00:35:15 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 18 Apr 2004 01:08:04 +0100) it happened "Newsgroups"
f.dinger@ntlworld.com> wrote in <hQjgc.160$Jc5.69@newsfe1-win>:

Charging 12 V Lead -Acid batteries to 14.4 V , voltage limited by a home
made shunt controller .
System includes a 150 Watts wind generator , to support system during windy
(and usually sunless) periods
Now a wind generator would be cool, there are many windmils of huge size here,
one next to my house (100m or so), a BIG one that replaced 5 smaller ones...
It is on the coast, and it is always windy here...
How big is that thing?
JP

Have you seen the windmill "farm" west of Indio, California (on I10) ?

HUNDREDS of large windmill AC generators.

...Jim Thompson

It's an unusual place- the wind just whistles through the canyons
there and there are dust stoms. A fair number of them seem to be down
for maintenance whenever I go through. I wonder if it is really more
cost effective than burning coal.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

Jan Panteltje · Apr 18, 2004

On a sunny day (Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:45:00 -0700) it happened Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote in
<epj380tefb05kspk05k75h34bjeio7k46e@4ax.com>:

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 00:35:15 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 18 Apr 2004 01:08:04 +0100) it happened "Newsgroups"
f.dinger@ntlworld.com> wrote in <hQjgc.160$Jc5.69@newsfe1-win>:

Charging 12 V Lead -Acid batteries to 14.4 V , voltage limited by a home
made shunt controller .
System includes a 150 Watts wind generator , to support system during windy
(and usually sunless) periods
Now a wind generator would be cool, there are many windmils of huge size here,
one next to my house (100m or so), a BIG one that replaced 5 smaller ones...
It is on the coast, and it is always windy here...
How big is that thing?
JP

Have you seen the windmill "farm" west of Indio, California (on I10) ?

HUNDREDS of large windmill AC generators.
Only seen pictures of it.

These look the same as the ones we have here.
There are plans to build a whole bunch out in the sea here, but I dunno how
far that is from realization.
JP

Jan Panteltje · Apr 18, 2004

On a sunny day (Sat, 17 Apr 2004 19:11:48 -0700) it happened "Watson A.Name -
\"Watt Sun, the Dark Remover\"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote in
<1083ovh1aaq6u4f@corp.supernews.com>:

"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c5mqgb$23pc$1@news.wplus.net...
On a sunny day (Thu, 15 Apr 2004 05:57:18 GMT) it happened
ehsjr@bellatlantic.net wrote in <407E2458.C40B070D@bellatlantic.net>:
A guy in Florida quoted 48 years pay back time. I ran
the numbers for my home - over 40 years, and I pay 13
cents per kwh. A 2 kW system costs $15000. Assuming
an average of 8 hours per day of 2kW per hour, that
solar system would give me 16 kWh. I pay 16*.13 or
$2.08 for 16 kWh. Works out to 19+ years for payback,
if you don't count on mortgage payments for the system.
Add that in, and the cost of a $15000 system is
much worse - over 30,000 in a 25 year, 7% mortgage.
You have to take into account that the cost of a kWh from
the grid in 25 years will be a LOT higher too, if there
still is a grid during and after WW3 that is.
JP

I don't blame you for being paranoid about WW3, if you're from Holland.
History has treated those countries poorly during the last WWs. But
then, who cares if there's a WW3? I'm more concerned about the next big
earthquake. Some scientists are predicting a big 6.something earthquake
in the Southern Calif. desert before Sept. I hope so, 'cause some of
these immigrants might consider going back to their point of
origination.
Yea, every place has it problems, here it is the water level, and dikes

-so flooding-.
Those imigrants are a workforce, illegal immigrants behave usually pretty
well to avoid being exposed.
I personally think they have equal rights as the native Americans who stole
the land from the Indiens (spelling?).
Zero rights? Or the right of the strongest.
Was it not Reagan who pardonned most of them in California?
Then they started paying taxes....
Was not California short of cash?
JP

Jim Thompson · Apr 18, 2004

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:54:13 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sat, 17 Apr 2004 19:11:48 -0700) it happened "Watson A.Name -
\"Watt Sun, the Dark Remover\"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote in
1083ovh1aaq6u4f@corp.supernews.com>:

"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c5mqgb$23pc$1@news.wplus.net...
On a sunny day (Thu, 15 Apr 2004 05:57:18 GMT) it happened
ehsjr@bellatlantic.net wrote in <407E2458.C40B070D@bellatlantic.net>:
A guy in Florida quoted 48 years pay back time. I ran
the numbers for my home - over 40 years, and I pay 13
cents per kwh. A 2 kW system costs $15000. Assuming
an average of 8 hours per day of 2kW per hour, that
solar system would give me 16 kWh. I pay 16*.13 or
$2.08 for 16 kWh. Works out to 19+ years for payback,
if you don't count on mortgage payments for the system.
Add that in, and the cost of a $15000 system is
much worse - over 30,000 in a 25 year, 7% mortgage.
You have to take into account that the cost of a kWh from
the grid in 25 years will be a LOT higher too, if there
still is a grid during and after WW3 that is.
JP

I don't blame you for being paranoid about WW3, if you're from Holland.
History has treated those countries poorly during the last WWs. But
then, who cares if there's a WW3? I'm more concerned about the next big
earthquake. Some scientists are predicting a big 6.something earthquake
in the Southern Calif. desert before Sept. I hope so, 'cause some of
these immigrants might consider going back to their point of
origination.
Yea, every place has it problems, here it is the water level, and dikes
-so flooding-.
Those imigrants are a workforce, illegal immigrants behave usually pretty
well to avoid being exposed.
I personally think they have equal rights as the native Americans who stole
the land from the Indiens (spelling?).
Zero rights? Or the right of the strongest.
Was it not Reagan who pardonned most of them in California?
Then they started paying taxes....
Was not California short of cash?
JP

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

maxfoo · Apr 18, 2004

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:00:57 -0700, Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com>
wrote:

FINALLY! I've figured out Jan's source of news and historical
information... comic books ;-)

My guess would of been http://www.theonion.com/

Remove "HeadFromButt", before replying by email.

Jim Thompson · Apr 18, 2004

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 15:13:19 GMT, maxfoo
<maxfooHeadFromButt@punkass.com> wrote:

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:00:57 -0700, Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com
wrote:

FINALLY! I've figured out Jan's source of news and historical
information... comic books ;-)

My guess would of been http://www.theonion.com/

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

KR Williams · Apr 18, 2004

In article <c5mqgb$23pc$1@news.wplus.net>,
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com says...

On a sunny day (Thu, 15 Apr 2004 05:57:18 GMT) it happened
ehsjr@bellatlantic.net wrote in <407E2458.C40B070D@bellatlantic.net>:
A guy in Florida quoted 48 years pay back time. I ran
the numbers for my home - over 40 years, and I pay 13
cents per kwh. A 2 kW system costs $15000. Assuming
an average of 8 hours per day of 2kW per hour, that
solar system would give me 16 kWh. I pay 16*.13 or
$2.08 for 16 kWh. Works out to 19+ years for payback,
if you don't count on mortgage payments for the system.
Add that in, and the cost of a $15000 system is
much worse - over 30,000 in a 25 year, 7% mortgage.

You have to take into account that the cost of a kWh from
the grid in 25 years will be a LOT higher too, if there
still is a grid during and after WW3 that is.

That's silly economics. I do not have to take into account the
cost of electricity in 25 years. I can wait. Solar cells are
becoming cheaper too. When the cost of the solar cell is less
than the cost of power from the grid I can switch, saving all of
the negative amortization inbetween, and have a *new* system in
25 years, just as you're in need of replacing yours. ;-)

My guess though, is that solar cells for the individual will
never become cheaper than power from the grid, since the power
company has access to the same technology and a *lot* better
financing possibilities. ...and they don't have to have the pay-
back in my lifetime.

--
Keith

Jan Panteltje · Apr 18, 2004

On a sunny day (Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:00:57 -0700) it happened Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote in
<4v5580dqo25439oql37hfkrjendd4b19lo@4ax.com>:

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:54:13 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sat, 17 Apr 2004 19:11:48 -0700) it happened "Watson A.Name -
\"Watt Sun, the Dark Remover\"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote in
1083ovh1aaq6u4f@corp.supernews.com>:

"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c5mqgb$23pc$1@news.wplus.net...
On a sunny day (Thu, 15 Apr 2004 05:57:18 GMT) it happened
ehsjr@bellatlantic.net wrote in <407E2458.C40B070D@bellatlantic.net>:
A guy in Florida quoted 48 years pay back time. I ran
the numbers for my home - over 40 years, and I pay 13
cents per kwh. A 2 kW system costs $15000. Assuming
an average of 8 hours per day of 2kW per hour, that
solar system would give me 16 kWh. I pay 16*.13 or
$2.08 for 16 kWh. Works out to 19+ years for payback,
if you don't count on mortgage payments for the system.
Add that in, and the cost of a $15000 system is
much worse - over 30,000 in a 25 year, 7% mortgage.
You have to take into account that the cost of a kWh from
the grid in 25 years will be a LOT higher too, if there
still is a grid during and after WW3 that is.
JP

I don't blame you for being paranoid about WW3, if you're from Holland.
History has treated those countries poorly during the last WWs. But
then, who cares if there's a WW3? I'm more concerned about the next big
earthquake. Some scientists are predicting a big 6.something earthquake
in the Southern Calif. desert before Sept. I hope so, 'cause some of
these immigrants might consider going back to their point of
origination.
Yea, every place has it problems, here it is the water level, and dikes
-so flooding-.
Those imigrants are a workforce, illegal immigrants behave usually pretty
well to avoid being exposed.
I personally think they have equal rights as the native Americans who stole
the land from the Indiens (spelling?).
Zero rights? Or the right of the strongest.
Was it not Reagan who pardonned most of them in California?
Then they started paying taxes....
Was not California short of cash?
JP

FINALLY! I've figured out Jan's source of news and historical
information... comic books ;-)
Wrong again, as first hand experience working in California

I KNOW how it is.
I ALSO know what a jail full of illegal Mexicans looks like from the inside.
So you better stop joking, I probably know US better then you.
And no I am not a Mexican.
That was the south border, I can also tell you about the north border.
Now go and dream on, dream dream dream the US dream my friend.
JP

Solar cell modules

Newsgroups

Guest

Jan Panteltje

Guest

Jim Thompson

Guest

Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su

Guest

Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su

Guest

Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su

Guest

Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su

Guest

Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su

Guest

Rich Grise

Guest

Solar Guppy

Guest

Anthony Matonak

Guest

Highland Ham

Guest

Spehro Pefhany

Guest

Jan Panteltje

Guest

Jan Panteltje

Guest

Jim Thompson

Guest

maxfoo

Guest

Jim Thompson

Guest

KR Williams

Guest

Jan Panteltje

Guest

Log in

Welcome to EDABoard.com

Sponsor